| DarkwingDuck | Well, this is for you guys up in the bay area. :P:P http://rakkav.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/insp_sanfrancisco_preview.jpg | 02:58 |
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| akk | heh | 03:00 |
| jdeslip | nice | 03:02 |
| iheartubuntu | is it 8:06pm PST? | 03:07 |
| pleia2 | PDT | 03:09 |
| iheartubuntu | uggh | 03:12 |
| jtatum | just say pacific :) | 03:12 |
| iheartubuntu | this computer im using didnt update the time | 03:12 |
| * pleia2 puts on ST4 | 03:27 | |
| pleia2 | thanks DarkwingDuck | 03:27 |
| pleia2 | I love how everyone busts on ST5 and I'm all "no way, in 4 they WENT BACK IN TIME TO GET WHALES" | 03:28 |
| pleia2 | it's so great | 03:28 |
| iheartubuntu | i thought that was the best ST, with the whales | 03:34 |
| pleia2 | it makes me laugh so | 03:34 |
| pleia2 | this is the first time I've watched this since moving here, I'm all woo SF represent! ;) | 04:07 |
| MarkDude | Google is hiring - Developer Relations jobs: http://sites.google.com/site/googdevreljobs/ | 04:30 |
| MarkDude | Some good opportunities | 04:30 |
| seidos | my GPA isn't high enough to work at youtube, i suspect the same is true for google | 05:37 |
| seidos | thanks for the heads up though, MarkDude | 05:37 |
| MarkDude | seidos, me too | 05:39 |
| seidos | MarkDude: do you have a wiki? i didn't know you had a degree | 05:39 |
| seidos | i want to see if there is an adult school in Downey that would be willing to set up space for hacking | 05:40 |
| * MarkDude is able to check the *some colleg* box for work purposes | 05:41 | |
| seidos | this reminded me of you MarkDude: Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. ~ Warren Buffett | 05:51 |
| MarkDude | ty seidos | 05:52 |
| * MarkDude just planted a garden at a friends house | 05:52 | |
| pleia2 | you don't actually need a degree to work at google if you're talented | 05:53 |
| MarkDude | She asked me if I needed to remove the 4" holly tree that volunteered to grow awhile ago | 05:53 |
| pleia2 | (and I can't even check "some college") | 05:53 |
| seidos | it isn't entirely accurate...unless one believes all trees are planted | 05:54 |
| pleia2 | I've never let it stop me from going after things, excuses-- | 05:54 |
| MarkDude | True pleia2 | 05:54 |
| seidos | if you are "talented" you probably know someone that works at google | 05:54 |
| seidos | throwing your resume at them probably won't land you a gig | 05:54 |
| MarkDude | I was referring to my lack of dev skills | 05:54 |
| pleia2 | I didn't know anyone at google when I first was contacted by a recruiter | 05:54 |
| seidos | but yeah, i guess i'm not talented enough either :) | 05:55 |
| pleia2 | their recruiting staff pays attention to open source projects | 05:55 |
| MarkDude | That is how Michael Van Riper got his job | 05:55 |
| seidos | yeah, that really isn't true, i have talents | 05:56 |
| MarkDude | Doing volunteer stuff- plenty of people get in that way its not always a handshake or GSoC | 05:56 |
| seidos | i couldn't figure out how to market them though | 05:56 |
| pleia2 | my boyfriend is annoyed that I'm already in their recruitment database, if I did try to pursue an opportunity with them he can't get the referral bonus ;) | 05:56 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: yeah | 05:57 |
| seidos | i could use a twinkie | 05:57 |
| MarkDude | seidos, so I told my friend that we might need to move the tree- but that was a *later* thing- we had some time before it was an issue | 05:58 |
| iheartubuntu | i have zero degrees and i was making $10k/mo when i was 22 | 05:58 |
| iheartubuntu | its more about your determination than anything | 05:58 |
| seidos | i had $ once, and i was still miserable | 05:58 |
| MarkDude | and skills | 05:59 |
| * iheartubuntu wishes he still made that | 05:59 | |
| seidos | i just wish i had my needs met. i don't even have anything i want to buy. | 05:59 |
| MarkDude | $ is not evil - it is how you can pursue it that can be | 05:59 |
| seidos | depending on others...something lame about it | 05:59 |
| seidos | $ is $ | 05:59 |
| seidos | priorities are all screwed up imho | 06:00 |
| MarkDude | That is sort of the human condition seidos | 06:00 |
| seidos | how many school teachers is one hedge fund manager worth :) | 06:00 |
| MarkDude | we are inherently dependent on each other | 06:00 |
| seidos | indeed | 06:00 |
| seidos | some of us more than others | 06:00 |
| MarkDude | True | 06:00 |
| * MarkDude was reflecting on Partimus- and how they have 6 computer labs- set up in areas that need help the most | 06:01 | |
| * seidos was reflecting on self, and why | 06:02 | |
| MarkDude | Some of the folks just sort of gloss over how important that is | 06:02 |
| seidos | i did consider the value of writing, and how it has expanded human memory | 06:02 |
| seidos | i suppose computers have done this as well | 06:02 |
| MarkDude | Helping kids have a better chance is sumthin' that really is a thing that can help you sleep at night | 06:03 |
| seidos | i used to want to be a school teacher. i help my girlfriend grade papers now | 06:03 |
| seidos | they weren't hiring though so i stopped pursuing the credential | 06:03 |
| MarkDude | You dont need to be the teacher dealing with the hectic stuff there to help | 06:03 |
| seidos | i think i'd like to make cartoons now :) | 06:04 |
| iheartubuntu | hold on seidos | 06:04 |
| MarkDude | Well - helping folks smile is very important | 06:04 |
| * MarkDude has helped build a playground too- that sort of thing is truly rewarding | 06:05 | |
| seidos | my brother used to design playgrounds | 06:05 |
| seidos | i used to be the secretary at that company | 06:06 |
| seidos | when i was 16 | 06:06 |
| MarkDude | Sounds interesting | 06:08 |
| MarkDude | seidos, I think Buffet was correct if he said someone- as opposed to everyone | 06:10 |
| seidos | what did he say? | 06:10 |
| seidos | i don't believe in scroll back anymore | 06:10 |
| MarkDude | I dont think he was referring to ALL trees | 06:10 |
| seidos | or logs for that matter | 06:10 |
| seidos | ah, well then it depends on where the dude is sitting | 06:11 |
| seidos | i wonder if the bodhi tree that Shakyamuni sat under was planted ;) | 06:11 |
| MarkDude | Log is NOT your co-pilot? | 06:11 |
| MarkDude | Besides- Jimmy was most likely drink on margaritas | 06:12 |
| MarkDude | drunk | 06:12 |
| MarkDude | seidos, that is a thing that could be pondered for a lifetime | 06:12 |
| seidos | i suck at finding twinkies | 06:12 |
| seidos | i pondered it for ~2.1 seconds MarkDude | 06:13 |
| seidos | Jimmy didn't follow the 5 precepts then :( | 06:13 |
| MarkDude | No- he is pretty pickled | 06:14 |
| seidos | get pickled without drinking | 06:16 |
| seidos | and if you must drink something that tastes bad...pure grapefruit juice | 06:16 |
| seidos | i wish i could act smashed more often | 06:18 |
| * seidos swings from the chandelier | 06:23 | |
| MarkDude | Humor is a good intoxicant | 06:24 |
| seidos | Tragedy is a bad intoxicant | 06:26 |
| === rbarot__ is now known as rbarot_ | ||
| iheartubuntu | Its a total work in progress. still got a lot of tweaking to go... http://ubuntubytescomic.blogspot.com/ | 15:54 |
| === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond | ||
| jdeslip | What software you use to make the comic? | 17:41 |
| nhaines | Inkscape might actually be helpful there. | 18:05 |
| pleia2 | +1 | 18:06 |
| nhaines | While I'm no artist and I don't really want to criticize it for looking too much like it was drawn with MS Paint... | 18:09 |
| nhaines | I do have to say that the pacing is really off in that comic. | 18:09 |
| kdub | who's doing comics? | 18:29 |
| kdub | inkscape is a great tool, i have a half-baked inkscape-based comic sitting around somewhere in the archives | 18:29 |
| === iheartubuntu1 is now known as iheartubuntu | ||
| iheartubuntu | U.S . Surgeon General recommends iodide pills for west coast residents | 21:43 |
| iheartubuntu | Amazon.com is selling one pack for $500 | 21:43 |
| iheartubuntu | I just saw 40 bids for a $10 pack go for $400 on ebay right now | 21:43 |
| iheartubuntu | stock up on miso soup and nori seaweed. a japanese study back in WWII in hospitals showed this works | 21:45 |
| DarkwingDuck | Really? | 22:06 |
| DarkwingDuck | You do realize the effects of iodide effect if you are NOT exposed to radiation? | 22:08 |
| jledbetter | http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Surgeon-General-Buying-Iodine-Appropriate-118031559.html | 22:09 |
| DarkwingDuck | Yes, to have them is not bad. | 22:10 |
| DarkwingDuck | My warning is do NOT take them unless you are dosed with radiation | 22:10 |
| jledbetter | Agree. | 22:10 |
| DarkwingDuck | It's like taking a dose of anti-venom before you are bitten | 22:10 |
| jledbetter | Heh. Yes. | 22:10 |
| DarkwingDuck | It will do the same or more damage | 22:10 |
| DarkwingDuck | Trust me.. We had it on hand when I was on an airfraft carrier | 22:11 |
| akk | What sort of damage does it do? | 22:11 |
| jledbetter | I love how they link to the most expensive tablets on ebay. Quite a few cheaper. | 22:12 |
| DarkwingDuck | It rips apart the thyroid. | 22:12 |
| DarkwingDuck | If you have a thyroid condotion it will kill you | 22:13 |
| DarkwingDuck | *Condition | 22:13 |
| akk | I wish some of these articles explained the details -- why are thyroids so sensitive to radiation, what is the iodide doing to counteract it, what are its other effects on the thyroid? | 22:14 |
| akk | otherwise it's like "buy these voodoo pills that will magically protect you from evil nukes" | 22:14 |
| jledbetter | And a link to $300 ones. | 22:14 |
| DarkwingDuck | And, it's only for those that are exposed to a high dose of radiation | 22:15 |
| jledbetter | Right. | 22:15 |
| jledbetter | Not like we can take it up and build up resistance in our body for "just in case." | 22:15 |
| pleia2 | plus thyroid cancer is just one of the many ways that radiation can hurt you (true, a common and lousy way to go) | 22:16 |
| DarkwingDuck | Potassium iodide cannot protect against any other causes of radiation poisoning, nor can it provide any degree of protection against dirty bombs that produce radionuclides other than isotopes of iodine. | 22:16 |
| DarkwingDuck | The ONLY thing that it will protect from is thyroid cancer | 22:17 |
| DarkwingDuck | To be honest... It's a waste of money | 22:17 |
| DarkwingDuck | For us in the US | 22:17 |
| pleia2 | hey, I'm seriously considering making a quick buck on ebay by selling mine ;) | 22:17 |
| DarkwingDuck | It would be cheaper to move inland | 22:17 |
| iheartubuntu | u could! | 22:18 |
| iheartubuntu | i see expiry 2007 for $200 | 22:18 |
| DarkwingDuck | Or, you can donate it to the red cross for use in Japan where it is needed | 22:18 |
| pleia2 | yeah it turns out mine have expired | 22:18 |
| iheartubuntu | mine expired also | 22:18 |
| iheartubuntu | i think i got them after 911 | 22:18 |
| iheartubuntu | ohh well. i dont mind miso soup | 22:18 |
| iheartubuntu | and japanese beer when times get really bad | 22:18 |
| DarkwingDuck | I swear... People on the west coast have seen wayyyyyy too many movies | 22:18 |
| DarkwingDuck | 1st was freaking out about a tsunami slamming the US | 22:19 |
| pleia2 | yeah, mine came from the township when I moved into my killzone-of-nuke-plant house in 2003 | 22:19 |
| DarkwingDuck | Now, radiation from Japan? | 22:19 |
| pleia2 | next, godzilla! | 22:19 |
| pleia2 | I can't wait for godzilla | 22:19 |
| DarkwingDuck | Three Mile Island was closer | 22:19 |
| iheartubuntu | they had some japanese comedians on the news at lunch... | 22:20 |
| DarkwingDuck | Here is hte MSDS for Potassiom Iodide (KI) http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p5906.htm | 22:20 |
| iheartubuntu | one guy said he was half japanese. his dad was american and his mom was japanese... | 22:20 |
| iheartubuntu | well, it was always a problem when his american dad tried to go fishing, because his mom would eat the bait! | 22:21 |
| pleia2 | ah racist jokes | 22:21 |
| iheartubuntu | he was japanese | 22:21 |
| jledbetter | facepalm | 22:21 |
| iheartubuntu | they are doing a fundraiser tonite in LA | 22:22 |
| pleia2 | that doesn't actually make it ok :) | 22:22 |
| iheartubuntu | it wasnt clear if it was at the laugh factory or on tv | 22:22 |
| * pleia2 is about to take a hammer to init in debian | 22:22 | |
| iheartubuntu | im a pollack and have a polish calculator by my side. its a piece cardboard with 5 holes in it | 22:23 |
| iheartubuntu | :D | 22:23 |
| jledbetter | I don't get it but something tells me it's good I don't. | 22:23 |
| iheartubuntu | the funny thing is it has been passed down from my great grandfather | 22:23 |
| iheartubuntu | 5 fingers, 4 holes | 22:24 |
| iheartubuntu | a polish calculator | 22:24 |
| * akk grew up using reverse polish calculators, and still misses them sometimes | 22:24 | |
| akk | HP41C FTW | 22:24 |
| pleia2 | jledbetter: it's ok, I don't get it either | 22:24 |
| jledbetter | pleia2, Thank you :) | 22:24 |
| * akk doesn't get it either | 22:24 | |
| iheartubuntu | do they even make those antmore? | 22:25 |
| iheartubuntu | whoops | 22:26 |
| iheartubuntu | 5 fingers go into the 5 holes | 22:26 |
| iheartubuntu | thus a polish calc | 22:26 |
| iheartubuntu | (not 4) | 22:26 |
| iheartubuntu | typo | 22:26 |
| iheartubuntu | you gals would be tough in a comedy club. id better not switch professions :) | 22:28 |
| pleia2 | I think I'm just lacking cultural context (and google just shows me reverse polish notation) | 22:29 |
| pleia2 | it's ok though, I'm perfectly happy not getting it | 22:30 |
| * pleia2 gets back to beating up init | 22:30 | |
| akk | me too ... I don't get it whether it's 4 fingers or 5, but I'm not sure I want to | 22:30 |
| * akk likes init but is struggling with rsyslog | 22:31 | |
| pleia2 | debian's dependency-based init stuff in squeeze has caused all kinds of havoc to our firewall script | 22:32 |
| pleia2 | partially because the former senior sysadmin partially prepped things for this change years ago, and syntax has changed, so I have to tease out what is happening, what is legacy, what I can remove and what I need to update | 22:33 |
| pleia2 | and make sure it all still works with lenny :) | 22:33 |
| akk | squeeze is still using sysv init, isn't it? Not upstart or systemd? | 22:36 |
| pleia2 | still using sysv init, but they introduced dependency-based loading by default with insserv in squeeze | 22:37 |
| pleia2 | http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot | 22:37 |
| akk | ah, all I know about insserv is "it's the thing that had broken dependencies forever on ubuntu that caused chkconfig not to work" | 22:40 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I think since upstart handles dependencies insserv isn't required (so unsurprising to me that it would be broken) | 22:41 |
| pleia2 | anyway, the documentation for this change is poor, and when coupled with my half-migrated-in-a-strange-state debian package it's been an interesting day | 22:42 |
| akk | If anybody ever comes out with a boot-time system that actually has documentation, I bet the world will switch to it whether it's better or not. | 22:43 |
| pleia2 | indeed :) | 22:43 |
| akk | I'm leaning toward systemd just for that reason -- it doesn't have real documentation but there's a great article about how it works. | 22:44 |
| akk | Much better than anything I've seen for upstart. | 22:44 |
| pleia2 | I'm just going to write a bash script that does: service start foo & service start bar & ... ;) | 22:44 |
| pleia2 | (ok, that is kinda sysvinit) | 22:45 |
| akk | yep | 22:45 |
| akk | but readable! | 22:45 |
| pleia2 | yes! | 22:45 |
| pleia2 | I was happy to satisfy dependencies by changing the symlink number | 22:45 |
| * pleia2 also tells the kids to get off her lawn | 22:46 | |
| akk | :) | 22:48 |
| * akk finishes all 822 lines lines of rsyslog.conf(5) and establishes that no, it doesn't explain what's actually in the file | 22:49 | |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay, | 22:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | I've done a bit of research to help some people. | 22:54 |
| iheartubuntu | whats that | 22:54 |
| pleia2 | please let this be about sysvinit and not KI pills | 22:54 |
| pleia2 | ;) | 22:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | Chernobyl had none of the containment precautions that Japan power plants do | 22:55 |
| pleia2 | drat! | 22:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | The fallout radiation from Chernobyl reached 1200 miles | 22:55 |
| jtatum | sadhorns pleia2 | 22:55 |
| iheartubuntu | haha | 22:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | So. Japan fallout will not be as bad as Chernobyl | 22:55 |
| jtatum | DarkwingDuck: what kind of containment does the spent fuel have? | 22:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | jtatum: When the power plants in Japan meltdown they will fall into a chasm that is lined with lead | 22:56 |
| jtatum | DarkwingDuck: that's the reactor | 22:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | More or less in collapses and burys itself | 22:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | Yes. | 22:56 |
| jtatum | the spent fuel is in a pool near the reactor, but outside the reactor containment structure | 22:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | No | 22:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | Those are also protected. | 22:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | However, spent fuel is not the worry | 22:57 |
| jtatum | sure it is | 22:57 |
| jtatum | spent fuel fire = bad news | 22:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | Howso? | 22:57 |
| * DarkwingDuck sighs | 22:57 | |
| jtatum | even if it doesn't melt into the earth or whatever | 22:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay, lets assume that it does go up like Chernobyl does | 22:57 |
| jtatum | nobody said like chernobyl | 22:58 |
| jtatum | it doesn't have to "go up" for it to burn | 22:58 |
| jtatum | and create a cloud of radioactive smoke | 22:58 |
| DarkwingDuck | Chernobyl is a good point of reference because it wont be as bad as Chernobyl | 22:58 |
| jtatum | eh. the pundits on both sides of this are talking out their behinds at this point. three days ago it was like "hey, there's no worries, the reactors will be fine". | 22:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | The fallout from Chernobyl reached 1200 miles. And even then there wasn't much danger to Moskow. We are 5000 miles away. Over twice the distance | 22:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm just giving my knowhow from the nuculear school I went to and past accedents | 23:00 |
| jtatum | well, we agree there. i don't think california is going to get any effects even in a worst case. | 23:00 |
| DarkwingDuck | Will it suck for Japan? Oh yes | 23:00 |
| DarkwingDuck | Will it reach the US in danger levels? Nope | 23:00 |
| jtatum | but three days ago, nobody on the pro-nuke side was listing any of the stuff going down at daiichi as even on the table. we seem to be off the script at this point. | 23:01 |
| DarkwingDuck | We are | 23:01 |
| DarkwingDuck | But, | 23:01 |
| DarkwingDuck | There is still science for a worse case | 23:01 |
| DarkwingDuck | and even with that... It wont reach Hawaii let alone the West coast in Danger Levels | 23:02 |
| jtatum | yes, when they write the history books science is going to explain exactly what happened probably :) | 23:02 |
| DarkwingDuck | I know what happened. :) The process they use to cool failed | 23:02 |
| DarkwingDuck | It's the reason we stopped using that cooling system on our ships | 23:02 |
| jtatum | uh.. that's every accident | 23:02 |
| iheartubuntu | strange that the us naval ships decided to high tail it out of the region | 23:03 |
| DarkwingDuck | Why is that? | 23:03 |
| iheartubuntu | they wouldnt move if there wasnt some concern, no? | 23:03 |
| jtatum | this scale here is crazy. i imagine there are going to be thousands or tens of thousands cf contributing factors across all the plants | 23:03 |
| DarkwingDuck | There is concern at 60 - 200 miles downwind yes | 23:03 |
| DarkwingDuck | Or, directly out to sea. | 23:04 |
| DarkwingDuck | So, they moved south and are still there. | 23:04 |
| DarkwingDuck | My old ship, USS Ronald Reagan is out there... I'm getting daily updates :D | 23:04 |
| iheartubuntu | you dont think upper wind patterns can take that stuff all around the globe? | 23:04 |
| DarkwingDuck | It will decay as it spreads out | 23:04 |
| jtatum | ? | 23:04 |
| jtatum | "Update: Utility says new fire at Japan nuclear reactor erupted because first one was not extinguished" | 23:04 |
| DarkwingDuck | That's how it works. The further from source it is it goes away | 23:05 |
| DarkwingDuck | It reaching 5000 miles at a danger level is science fiction | 23:06 |
| iheartubuntu | we are talking about fallout correct? | 23:08 |
| iheartubuntu | my wife seems concerned. she said in ukraine people didnt drink milk, people took the pills, etc | 23:11 |
| iheartubuntu | she was a lot closer though | 23:11 |
| DarkwingDuck | Yes | 23:11 |
| DarkwingDuck | She was within 1200 miles | 23:11 |
| DarkwingDuck | Just remember this... Radiation levels goes down exponetially the further you get from the source | 23:12 |
| DarkwingDuck | So, knowing this... at 1200 miles the radiation from Chernobyl were back into acceptable levels | 23:12 |
| iheartubuntu | she was approx 550 miles away | 23:12 |
| DarkwingDuck | We are 5000 miles away from Japan | 23:12 |
| DarkwingDuck | 4.16x further then safe levels from chernobyl | 23:13 |
| iheartubuntu | she also wasnt in any wind pattern of chernobyl either | 23:13 |
| DarkwingDuck | That 1200 miles was teh downwind furthest point | 23:14 |
| iheartubuntu | id be most concerned about any reactors here in the US like SD | 23:14 |
| iheartubuntu | so having a backup of iodide (new fave word?) would still not be a bad idea | 23:15 |
| iheartubuntu | and since we are still sort of expecting the big one here in cali | 23:15 |
| akk | Stocking up on water is probably more important, for that. | 23:15 |
| iheartubuntu | http://www.radiationnetwork.com/ | 23:16 |
| iheartubuntu | i didnt realize there was a reactor east of SF | 23:16 |
| iheartubuntu | i notice most of those numbers on the map were in the teens a few days ago | 23:17 |
| iheartubuntu | my geiger counter down in my bunker isnt picking up anything (yet). i'll have to tunnel over to the neighbor to see what his readings are | 23:18 |
| iheartubuntu | (can i get anyone to laugh today please) :) | 23:19 |
| akk | What does "nuclear site" mean on that map? Looks like it might correlate to military bases. | 23:19 |
| akk | national labs, etc. (is the one near SF perhaps Lawrence Livermore?) | 23:20 |
| iheartubuntu | could be | 23:20 |
| DarkwingDuck | :D | 23:20 |
| DarkwingDuck | Overall... think of it this way... | 23:20 |
| DarkwingDuck | When three mile island melted down you know how many people died? | 23:20 |
| jtatum | tmi didn't melt down | 23:21 |
| DarkwingDuck | True | 23:21 |
| DarkwingDuck | But, it did release high doses of radiation | 23:21 |
| DarkwingDuck | It was a partial meltdown | 23:21 |
| DarkwingDuck | Anyway.. No one died from it. | 23:22 |
| DarkwingDuck | Is being prepared for something in the US a good idea if you are close to one? Yes | 23:22 |
| jtatum | tmi was one reactor with two separate radioactive materials release events. anyone keeping score with how many steam vents have been done across japan? | 23:23 |
| pleia2 | there was no conclusive proof that there were high levels of radiation released at TMI (official reports still maintain there was very little) | 23:23 |
| pleia2 | it's still a mess though, they sealed it up and buried it, there is no clean up from something like that | 23:23 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm not worried. Even at Chernobyl levels we wont see anything major in the US from Japan | 23:23 |
| jtatum | no debate there from me, DarkwingDuck | 23:23 |
| pleia2 | (fwiw I'm not worried either and happily lived in the shadow of a plant for years) | 23:24 |
| DarkwingDuck | I served on a ship with a couple of cores for years. | 23:25 |
| DarkwingDuck | FWIW that is where I did some schooling on nuclear stuff | 23:26 |
| jtatum | did you go to orlando, DarkwingDuck? | 23:26 |
| DarkwingDuck | No | 23:27 |
| pleia2 | you can't ride ships to orlando, silly jtatum! | 23:27 |
| pleia2 | ;) | 23:27 |
| jtatum | lol | 23:27 |
| DarkwingDuck | I was stationed in mainland Navy base in Mississippi | 23:27 |
| DarkwingDuck | Just outside of Jackson | 23:27 |
| pleia2 | my aunt was at a navy base near clearwater for a couple years | 23:28 |
| DarkwingDuck | :D | 23:28 |
| DarkwingDuck | I almost got stationed in Lemmore | 23:28 |
| jtatum | nuke school was in orlando | 23:29 |
| DarkwingDuck | It's one of many | 23:29 |
| DarkwingDuck | Mostly it's done in VA these days | 23:29 |
| seidos | i want to be a man the stares at goats, but i'm too old :( | 23:29 |
| jtatum | hm, that contradicts the wiki... | 23:29 |
| DarkwingDuck | But, I was an aircraft guy and a firefighter so we did our training in California and Virgina | 23:30 |
| * DarkwingDuck raises his eyebrow | 23:30 | |
| * erichammond had his radiation detector/alarm stolen last night. | 23:30 | |
| iheartubuntu | DarkwingDuck #winning | 23:30 |
| iheartubuntu | by who erichammond ? | 23:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | NTC Orlando was closed a few years ago | 23:31 |
| erichammond | car burglary. They grabbed whatever they could reach. | 23:31 |
| kdub | how much is a radiation alarm worth? | 23:31 |
| iheartubuntu | thats horrible | 23:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | The main Nuke school command is based out of South Carolina. There are schools in other places these days | 23:31 |
| seidos | i am guessing nobody saw the movie "the men who stare at goats" :| | 23:31 |
| iheartubuntu | no. what was it about | 23:32 |
| kdub | seidos: i dont think so :P | 23:32 |
| jtatum | DarkwingDuck: was just trying to put you in the right spot for the time when i assumed you were enlisted :) | 23:32 |
| seidos | my car has absolutely nothing in it | 23:32 |
| erichammond | kdub: I paid $100, but they seem to have raised the price: http://www.nukalert.com/ | 23:32 |
| akk | seidos: I saw it -- good movie. | 23:32 |
| seidos | it's about this secret project in the army called "operation jedi" or something | 23:32 |
| iheartubuntu | what was the op? | 23:32 |
| akk | Very strange movie, but funny. | 23:32 |
| seidos | where they tried to train soldiers to be...well...jedi i guess | 23:32 |
| akk | George Clooney and some other good people. | 23:33 |
| seidos | it probably makes perfect sense if you are on LSD while you're watching it | 23:33 |
| kdub | erichammond: even without the japan hype, it would be a good thing to have in general | 23:33 |
| seidos | funny! | 23:33 |
| iheartubuntu | thanks for the tip | 23:33 |
| akk | If you see it, be sure to watch the extras -- all the stuff you thought was over-the-top turns out to be ... true! (they interview some of the people involved) | 23:33 |
| seidos | yeah, obiwan guy. where does he go in my mental file? oh right, McGregor...somewhere in the middle | 23:33 |
| seidos | i already believed it to be true | 23:34 |
| seidos | i tried walking through a wall the other day | 23:34 |
| erichammond | kdub: I thought about taking it on a plane to see if the extra radiation triggered it, but then decided it might be hard to explain to the security folks what I was doing with a little ticking device with a nuclear radiation symbol on it. | 23:34 |
| iheartubuntu | i actually have a geiger counter at work | 23:34 |
| akk | I don't know why anyone watches movies in theatres, where they don't get the extras. :) | 23:34 |
| seidos | my girlfriend drags me to the movies | 23:34 |
| iheartubuntu | thats a bad thing? | 23:35 |
| seidos | we need a media center here | 23:35 |
| seidos | bad as opposed to good? | 23:35 |
| iheartubuntu | drags | 23:35 |
| seidos | i think movie theaters are a rip off | 23:35 |
| iheartubuntu | i only go on sale tix | 23:35 |
| seidos | well, yeah, drags, because i'd rather watch movies at her place :) | 23:35 |
| iheartubuntu | ahh | 23:36 |
| seidos | i am exagerrating | 23:36 |
| seidos | more like prods | 23:36 |
| seidos | moo | 23:36 |
| iheartubuntu | erichammond are u going to replace it | 23:36 |
| seidos | couldn't you use a cattle prod in fallout? | 23:36 |
| kdub | not fallout 3 | 23:36 |
| erichammond | iheartubuntu: Perhaps eventually. See if it drops down in price over the next year. | 23:37 |
| seidos | never played part 3 | 23:37 |
| seidos | i miss this game "jagged alliance 2" | 23:37 |
| seidos | that was a fun game. | 23:37 |
| seidos | old scool | 23:37 |
| erichammond | iheartubuntu: It was mostly a curiosity purchase, not a "world is ending" survivalist thing. | 23:37 |
| seidos | i wonder how they work | 23:38 |
| seidos | they must be pretty hard to build | 23:38 |
| seidos | is there some substance that emits an electrical charge when it is bombarded by radiation? | 23:38 |
| seidos | "nuclear radiation" is basically neutrons, right? | 23:38 |
| seidos | maybe semiconductors, like through the photoelectric effect...only...different | 23:39 |
| * seidos takes his head out of the clouds | 23:40 | |
| akk | It would be cool to have a geiger counter. A guy in the SJAA brought a cloud chamber and geiger counter to a meeting a few months ago. | 23:41 |
| kdub | nuclear radiation is EM radiation, alpha particles(helium nuclei), and electrons | 23:41 |
| akk | Homemade cloud chamber, but the counter he found on ebay. | 23:41 |
| kdub | if i remember right | 23:41 |
| kdub | alpha, beta, gamma | 23:42 |
| akk | Good page I just saw on the types of radiation: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/03/15/demystifying-nuclear-radiation/ | 23:42 |
| iheartubuntu | as i understand it the iodide pills wont help against all forms of radiation | 23:42 |
| iheartubuntu | anyways | 23:42 |
| kdub | i was right! | 23:42 |
| kdub | iodine pills will make your thyroid absorb loads of non-radioactive iodine | 23:43 |
| kdub | so it doesnt absorb any radioactive iodine in the environment | 23:43 |
| iheartubuntu | surgeon general is now saying its a worthy precaution to have some pills | 23:43 |
| akk | That's what I was guessing, kdub, though nobody seems to be saying that. | 23:44 |
| iheartubuntu | kdub that is what ive read too | 23:44 |
| akk | In which case it would only help if there were radioactive iodine particles about. | 23:44 |
| iheartubuntu | so if the radiation is coming from a different type of reactor, or using different fuel the pills are worthless | 23:44 |
| kdub | i think iodine is a fission by-product | 23:45 |
| kdub | for u235 | 23:45 |
| akk | ah, so there's probably lots of it | 23:48 |
| iheartubuntu | i think pleia2 sorta summed it up a few days back... its a stop gap measure.. something to take while you are making other plans | 23:48 |
| jtatum | lead underpants | 23:50 |
| * iheartubuntu has lead panels at work | 23:51 | |
| seidos | i love these rsa animates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk8x3V-sUgU&feature=feedbul | 23:58 |
| seidos | i need to do exercise or i'll fall asleep | 23:58 |
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