[02:58] Well, this is for you guys up in the bay area. :P:P http://rakkav.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/insp_sanfrancisco_preview.jpg [03:00] heh [03:02] nice [03:07] is it 8:06pm PST? [03:09] PDT [03:12] uggh [03:12] just say pacific :) [03:12] this computer im using didnt update the time [03:27] * pleia2 puts on ST4 [03:27] thanks DarkwingDuck [03:28] I love how everyone busts on ST5 and I'm all "no way, in 4 they WENT BACK IN TIME TO GET WHALES" [03:28] it's so great [03:34] i thought that was the best ST, with the whales [03:34] it makes me laugh so [04:07] this is the first time I've watched this since moving here, I'm all woo SF represent! ;) [04:30] Google is hiring - Developer Relations jobs: http://sites.google.com/site/googdevreljobs/ [04:30] Some good opportunities [05:37] my GPA isn't high enough to work at youtube, i suspect the same is true for google [05:37] thanks for the heads up though, MarkDude [05:39] seidos, me too [05:39] MarkDude: do you have a wiki? i didn't know you had a degree [05:40] i want to see if there is an adult school in Downey that would be willing to set up space for hacking [05:41] * MarkDude is able to check the *some colleg* box for work purposes [05:51] this reminded me of you MarkDude: Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. ~ Warren Buffett [05:52] ty seidos [05:52] * MarkDude just planted a garden at a friends house [05:53] you don't actually need a degree to work at google if you're talented [05:53] She asked me if I needed to remove the 4" holly tree that volunteered to grow awhile ago [05:53] (and I can't even check "some college") [05:54] it isn't entirely accurate...unless one believes all trees are planted [05:54] I've never let it stop me from going after things, excuses-- [05:54] True pleia2 [05:54] if you are "talented" you probably know someone that works at google [05:54] throwing your resume at them probably won't land you a gig [05:54] I was referring to my lack of dev skills [05:54] I didn't know anyone at google when I first was contacted by a recruiter [05:55] but yeah, i guess i'm not talented enough either :) [05:55] their recruiting staff pays attention to open source projects [05:55] That is how Michael Van Riper got his job [05:56] yeah, that really isn't true, i have talents [05:56] Doing volunteer stuff- plenty of people get in that way its not always a handshake or GSoC [05:56] i couldn't figure out how to market them though [05:56] my boyfriend is annoyed that I'm already in their recruitment database, if I did try to pursue an opportunity with them he can't get the referral bonus ;) [05:57] MarkDude: yeah [05:57] i could use a twinkie [05:58] seidos, so I told my friend that we might need to move the tree- but that was a *later* thing- we had some time before it was an issue [05:58] i have zero degrees and i was making $10k/mo when i was 22 [05:58] its more about your determination than anything [05:58] i had $ once, and i was still miserable [05:59] and skills [05:59] * iheartubuntu wishes he still made that [05:59] i just wish i had my needs met. i don't even have anything i want to buy. [05:59] $ is not evil - it is how you can pursue it that can be [05:59] depending on others...something lame about it [05:59] $ is $ [06:00] priorities are all screwed up imho [06:00] That is sort of the human condition seidos [06:00] how many school teachers is one hedge fund manager worth :) [06:00] we are inherently dependent on each other [06:00] indeed [06:00] some of us more than others [06:00] True [06:01] * MarkDude was reflecting on Partimus- and how they have 6 computer labs- set up in areas that need help the most [06:02] * seidos was reflecting on self, and why [06:02] Some of the folks just sort of gloss over how important that is [06:02] i did consider the value of writing, and how it has expanded human memory [06:02] i suppose computers have done this as well [06:03] Helping kids have a better chance is sumthin' that really is a thing that can help you sleep at night [06:03] i used to want to be a school teacher. i help my girlfriend grade papers now [06:03] they weren't hiring though so i stopped pursuing the credential [06:03] You dont need to be the teacher dealing with the hectic stuff there to help [06:04] i think i'd like to make cartoons now :) [06:04] hold on seidos [06:04] Well - helping folks smile is very important [06:05] * MarkDude has helped build a playground too- that sort of thing is truly rewarding [06:05] my brother used to design playgrounds [06:06] i used to be the secretary at that company [06:06] when i was 16 [06:08] Sounds interesting [06:10] seidos, I think Buffet was correct if he said someone- as opposed to everyone [06:10] what did he say? [06:10] i don't believe in scroll back anymore [06:10] I dont think he was referring to ALL trees [06:10] or logs for that matter [06:11] ah, well then it depends on where the dude is sitting [06:11] i wonder if the bodhi tree that Shakyamuni sat under was planted ;) [06:11] Log is NOT your co-pilot? [06:12] Besides- Jimmy was most likely drink on margaritas [06:12] drunk [06:12] seidos, that is a thing that could be pondered for a lifetime [06:12] i suck at finding twinkies [06:13] i pondered it for ~2.1 seconds MarkDude [06:13] Jimmy didn't follow the 5 precepts then :( [06:14] No- he is pretty pickled [06:16] get pickled without drinking [06:16] and if you must drink something that tastes bad...pure grapefruit juice [06:18] i wish i could act smashed more often [06:23] * seidos swings from the chandelier [06:24] Humor is a good intoxicant [06:26] Tragedy is a bad intoxicant === rbarot__ is now known as rbarot_ [15:54] Its a total work in progress. still got a lot of tweaking to go... http://ubuntubytescomic.blogspot.com/ === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [17:41] What software you use to make the comic? [18:05] Inkscape might actually be helpful there. [18:06] +1 [18:09] While I'm no artist and I don't really want to criticize it for looking too much like it was drawn with MS Paint... [18:09] I do have to say that the pacing is really off in that comic. [18:29] who's doing comics? [18:29] inkscape is a great tool, i have a half-baked inkscape-based comic sitting around somewhere in the archives === iheartubuntu1 is now known as iheartubuntu [21:43] U.S . Surgeon General recommends iodide pills for west coast residents [21:43] Amazon.com is selling one pack for $500 [21:43] I just saw 40 bids for a $10 pack go for $400 on ebay right now [21:45] stock up on miso soup and nori seaweed. a japanese study back in WWII in hospitals showed this works [22:06] Really? [22:08] You do realize the effects of iodide effect if you are NOT exposed to radiation? [22:09] http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Surgeon-General-Buying-Iodine-Appropriate-118031559.html [22:10] Yes, to have them is not bad. [22:10] My warning is do NOT take them unless you are dosed with radiation [22:10] Agree. [22:10] It's like taking a dose of anti-venom before you are bitten [22:10] Heh. Yes. [22:10] It will do the same or more damage [22:11] Trust me.. We had it on hand when I was on an airfraft carrier [22:11] What sort of damage does it do? [22:12] I love how they link to the most expensive tablets on ebay. Quite a few cheaper. [22:12] It rips apart the thyroid. [22:13] If you have a thyroid condotion it will kill you [22:13] *Condition [22:14] I wish some of these articles explained the details -- why are thyroids so sensitive to radiation, what is the iodide doing to counteract it, what are its other effects on the thyroid? [22:14] otherwise it's like "buy these voodoo pills that will magically protect you from evil nukes" [22:14] And a link to $300 ones. [22:15] And, it's only for those that are exposed to a high dose of radiation [22:15] Right. [22:15] Not like we can take it up and build up resistance in our body for "just in case." [22:16] plus thyroid cancer is just one of the many ways that radiation can hurt you (true, a common and lousy way to go) [22:16] Potassium iodide cannot protect against any other causes of radiation poisoning, nor can it provide any degree of protection against dirty bombs that produce radionuclides other than isotopes of iodine. [22:17] The ONLY thing that it will protect from is thyroid cancer [22:17] To be honest... It's a waste of money [22:17] For us in the US [22:17] hey, I'm seriously considering making a quick buck on ebay by selling mine ;) [22:17] It would be cheaper to move inland [22:18] u could! [22:18] i see expiry 2007 for $200 [22:18] Or, you can donate it to the red cross for use in Japan where it is needed [22:18] yeah it turns out mine have expired [22:18] mine expired also [22:18] i think i got them after 911 [22:18] ohh well. i dont mind miso soup [22:18] and japanese beer when times get really bad [22:18] I swear... People on the west coast have seen wayyyyyy too many movies [22:19] 1st was freaking out about a tsunami slamming the US [22:19] yeah, mine came from the township when I moved into my killzone-of-nuke-plant house in 2003 [22:19] Now, radiation from Japan? [22:19] next, godzilla! [22:19] I can't wait for godzilla [22:19] Three Mile Island was closer [22:20] they had some japanese comedians on the news at lunch... [22:20] Here is hte MSDS for Potassiom Iodide (KI) http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p5906.htm [22:20] one guy said he was half japanese. his dad was american and his mom was japanese... [22:21] well, it was always a problem when his american dad tried to go fishing, because his mom would eat the bait! [22:21] ah racist jokes [22:21] he was japanese [22:21] facepalm [22:22] they are doing a fundraiser tonite in LA [22:22] that doesn't actually make it ok :) [22:22] it wasnt clear if it was at the laugh factory or on tv [22:22] * pleia2 is about to take a hammer to init in debian [22:23] im a pollack and have a polish calculator by my side. its a piece cardboard with 5 holes in it [22:23] :D [22:23] I don't get it but something tells me it's good I don't. [22:23] the funny thing is it has been passed down from my great grandfather [22:24] 5 fingers, 4 holes [22:24] a polish calculator [22:24] * akk grew up using reverse polish calculators, and still misses them sometimes [22:24] HP41C FTW [22:24] jledbetter: it's ok, I don't get it either [22:24] pleia2, Thank you :) [22:24] * akk doesn't get it either [22:25] do they even make those antmore? [22:26] whoops [22:26] 5 fingers go into the 5 holes [22:26] thus a polish calc [22:26] (not 4) [22:26] typo [22:28] you gals would be tough in a comedy club. id better not switch professions :) [22:29] I think I'm just lacking cultural context (and google just shows me reverse polish notation) [22:30] it's ok though, I'm perfectly happy not getting it [22:30] * pleia2 gets back to beating up init [22:30] me too ... I don't get it whether it's 4 fingers or 5, but I'm not sure I want to [22:31] * akk likes init but is struggling with rsyslog [22:32] debian's dependency-based init stuff in squeeze has caused all kinds of havoc to our firewall script [22:33] partially because the former senior sysadmin partially prepped things for this change years ago, and syntax has changed, so I have to tease out what is happening, what is legacy, what I can remove and what I need to update [22:33] and make sure it all still works with lenny :) [22:36] squeeze is still using sysv init, isn't it? Not upstart or systemd? [22:37] still using sysv init, but they introduced dependency-based loading by default with insserv in squeeze [22:37] http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot [22:40] ah, all I know about insserv is "it's the thing that had broken dependencies forever on ubuntu that caused chkconfig not to work" [22:41] yeah, I think since upstart handles dependencies insserv isn't required (so unsurprising to me that it would be broken) [22:42] anyway, the documentation for this change is poor, and when coupled with my half-migrated-in-a-strange-state debian package it's been an interesting day [22:43] If anybody ever comes out with a boot-time system that actually has documentation, I bet the world will switch to it whether it's better or not. [22:43] indeed :) [22:44] I'm leaning toward systemd just for that reason -- it doesn't have real documentation but there's a great article about how it works. [22:44] Much better than anything I've seen for upstart. [22:44] I'm just going to write a bash script that does: service start foo & service start bar & ... ;) [22:45] (ok, that is kinda sysvinit) [22:45] yep [22:45] but readable! [22:45] yes! [22:45] I was happy to satisfy dependencies by changing the symlink number [22:46] * pleia2 also tells the kids to get off her lawn [22:48] :) [22:49] * akk finishes all 822 lines lines of rsyslog.conf(5) and establishes that no, it doesn't explain what's actually in the file [22:54] Okay, [22:54] I've done a bit of research to help some people. [22:54] whats that [22:54] please let this be about sysvinit and not KI pills [22:54] ;) [22:55] Chernobyl had none of the containment precautions that Japan power plants do [22:55] drat! [22:55] The fallout radiation from Chernobyl reached 1200 miles [22:55] sadhorns pleia2 [22:55] haha [22:55] So. Japan fallout will not be as bad as Chernobyl [22:55] DarkwingDuck: what kind of containment does the spent fuel have? [22:56] jtatum: When the power plants in Japan meltdown they will fall into a chasm that is lined with lead [22:56] DarkwingDuck: that's the reactor [22:56] More or less in collapses and burys itself [22:56] Yes. [22:56] the spent fuel is in a pool near the reactor, but outside the reactor containment structure [22:56] No [22:57] Those are also protected. [22:57] However, spent fuel is not the worry [22:57] sure it is [22:57] spent fuel fire = bad news [22:57] Howso? [22:57] * DarkwingDuck sighs [22:57] even if it doesn't melt into the earth or whatever [22:57] Okay, lets assume that it does go up like Chernobyl does [22:58] nobody said like chernobyl [22:58] it doesn't have to "go up" for it to burn [22:58] and create a cloud of radioactive smoke [22:58] Chernobyl is a good point of reference because it wont be as bad as Chernobyl [22:59] eh. the pundits on both sides of this are talking out their behinds at this point. three days ago it was like "hey, there's no worries, the reactors will be fine". [22:59] The fallout from Chernobyl reached 1200 miles. And even then there wasn't much danger to Moskow. We are 5000 miles away. Over twice the distance [23:00] I'm just giving my knowhow from the nuculear school I went to and past accedents [23:00] well, we agree there. i don't think california is going to get any effects even in a worst case. [23:00] Will it suck for Japan? Oh yes [23:00] Will it reach the US in danger levels? Nope [23:01] but three days ago, nobody on the pro-nuke side was listing any of the stuff going down at daiichi as even on the table. we seem to be off the script at this point. [23:01] We are [23:01] But, [23:01] There is still science for a worse case [23:02] and even with that... It wont reach Hawaii let alone the West coast in Danger Levels [23:02] yes, when they write the history books science is going to explain exactly what happened probably :) [23:02] I know what happened. :) The process they use to cool failed [23:02] It's the reason we stopped using that cooling system on our ships [23:02] uh.. that's every accident [23:03] strange that the us naval ships decided to high tail it out of the region [23:03] Why is that? [23:03] they wouldnt move if there wasnt some concern, no? [23:03] this scale here is crazy. i imagine there are going to be thousands or tens of thousands cf contributing factors across all the plants [23:03] There is concern at 60 - 200 miles downwind yes [23:04] Or, directly out to sea. [23:04] So, they moved south and are still there. [23:04] My old ship, USS Ronald Reagan is out there... I'm getting daily updates :D [23:04] you dont think upper wind patterns can take that stuff all around the globe? [23:04] It will decay as it spreads out [23:04] ? [23:04] "Update: Utility says new fire at Japan nuclear reactor erupted because first one was not extinguished" [23:05] That's how it works. The further from source it is it goes away [23:06] It reaching 5000 miles at a danger level is science fiction [23:08] we are talking about fallout correct? [23:11] my wife seems concerned. she said in ukraine people didnt drink milk, people took the pills, etc [23:11] she was a lot closer though [23:11] Yes [23:11] She was within 1200 miles [23:12] Just remember this... Radiation levels goes down exponetially the further you get from the source [23:12] So, knowing this... at 1200 miles the radiation from Chernobyl were back into acceptable levels [23:12] she was approx 550 miles away [23:12] We are 5000 miles away from Japan [23:13] 4.16x further then safe levels from chernobyl [23:13] she also wasnt in any wind pattern of chernobyl either [23:14] That 1200 miles was teh downwind furthest point [23:14] id be most concerned about any reactors here in the US like SD [23:15] so having a backup of iodide (new fave word?) would still not be a bad idea [23:15] and since we are still sort of expecting the big one here in cali [23:15] Stocking up on water is probably more important, for that. [23:16] http://www.radiationnetwork.com/ [23:16] i didnt realize there was a reactor east of SF [23:17] i notice most of those numbers on the map were in the teens a few days ago [23:18] my geiger counter down in my bunker isnt picking up anything (yet). i'll have to tunnel over to the neighbor to see what his readings are [23:19] (can i get anyone to laugh today please) :) [23:19] What does "nuclear site" mean on that map? Looks like it might correlate to military bases. [23:20] national labs, etc. (is the one near SF perhaps Lawrence Livermore?) [23:20] could be [23:20] :D [23:20] Overall... think of it this way... [23:20] When three mile island melted down you know how many people died? [23:21] tmi didn't melt down [23:21] True [23:21] But, it did release high doses of radiation [23:21] It was a partial meltdown [23:22] Anyway.. No one died from it. [23:22] Is being prepared for something in the US a good idea if you are close to one? Yes [23:23] tmi was one reactor with two separate radioactive materials release events. anyone keeping score with how many steam vents have been done across japan? [23:23] there was no conclusive proof that there were high levels of radiation released at TMI (official reports still maintain there was very little) [23:23] it's still a mess though, they sealed it up and buried it, there is no clean up from something like that [23:23] I'm not worried. Even at Chernobyl levels we wont see anything major in the US from Japan [23:23] no debate there from me, DarkwingDuck [23:24] (fwiw I'm not worried either and happily lived in the shadow of a plant for years) [23:25] I served on a ship with a couple of cores for years. [23:26] FWIW that is where I did some schooling on nuclear stuff [23:26] did you go to orlando, DarkwingDuck? [23:27] No [23:27] you can't ride ships to orlando, silly jtatum! [23:27] ;) [23:27] lol [23:27] I was stationed in mainland Navy base in Mississippi [23:27] Just outside of Jackson [23:28] my aunt was at a navy base near clearwater for a couple years [23:28] :D [23:28] I almost got stationed in Lemmore [23:29] nuke school was in orlando [23:29] It's one of many [23:29] Mostly it's done in VA these days [23:29] i want to be a man the stares at goats, but i'm too old :( [23:29] hm, that contradicts the wiki... [23:30] But, I was an aircraft guy and a firefighter so we did our training in California and Virgina [23:30] * DarkwingDuck raises his eyebrow [23:30] * erichammond had his radiation detector/alarm stolen last night. [23:30] DarkwingDuck #winning [23:31] by who erichammond ? [23:31] NTC Orlando was closed a few years ago [23:31] car burglary. They grabbed whatever they could reach. [23:31] how much is a radiation alarm worth? [23:31] thats horrible [23:31] The main Nuke school command is based out of South Carolina. There are schools in other places these days [23:31] i am guessing nobody saw the movie "the men who stare at goats" :| [23:32] no. what was it about [23:32] seidos: i dont think so :P [23:32] DarkwingDuck: was just trying to put you in the right spot for the time when i assumed you were enlisted :) [23:32] my car has absolutely nothing in it [23:32] kdub: I paid $100, but they seem to have raised the price: http://www.nukalert.com/ [23:32] seidos: I saw it -- good movie. [23:32] it's about this secret project in the army called "operation jedi" or something [23:32] what was the op? [23:32] Very strange movie, but funny. [23:32] where they tried to train soldiers to be...well...jedi i guess [23:33] George Clooney and some other good people. [23:33] it probably makes perfect sense if you are on LSD while you're watching it [23:33] erichammond: even without the japan hype, it would be a good thing to have in general [23:33] funny! [23:33] thanks for the tip [23:33] If you see it, be sure to watch the extras -- all the stuff you thought was over-the-top turns out to be ... true! (they interview some of the people involved) [23:33] yeah, obiwan guy. where does he go in my mental file? oh right, McGregor...somewhere in the middle [23:34] i already believed it to be true [23:34] i tried walking through a wall the other day [23:34] kdub: I thought about taking it on a plane to see if the extra radiation triggered it, but then decided it might be hard to explain to the security folks what I was doing with a little ticking device with a nuclear radiation symbol on it. [23:34] i actually have a geiger counter at work [23:34] I don't know why anyone watches movies in theatres, where they don't get the extras. :) [23:34] my girlfriend drags me to the movies [23:35] thats a bad thing? [23:35] we need a media center here [23:35] bad as opposed to good? [23:35] drags [23:35] i think movie theaters are a rip off [23:35] i only go on sale tix [23:35] well, yeah, drags, because i'd rather watch movies at her place :) [23:36] ahh [23:36] i am exagerrating [23:36] more like prods [23:36] moo [23:36] erichammond are u going to replace it [23:36] couldn't you use a cattle prod in fallout? [23:36] not fallout 3 [23:37] iheartubuntu: Perhaps eventually. See if it drops down in price over the next year. [23:37] never played part 3 [23:37] i miss this game "jagged alliance 2" [23:37] that was a fun game. [23:37] old scool [23:37] iheartubuntu: It was mostly a curiosity purchase, not a "world is ending" survivalist thing. [23:38] i wonder how they work [23:38] they must be pretty hard to build [23:38] is there some substance that emits an electrical charge when it is bombarded by radiation? [23:38] "nuclear radiation" is basically neutrons, right? [23:39] maybe semiconductors, like through the photoelectric effect...only...different [23:40] * seidos takes his head out of the clouds [23:41] It would be cool to have a geiger counter. A guy in the SJAA brought a cloud chamber and geiger counter to a meeting a few months ago. [23:41] nuclear radiation is EM radiation, alpha particles(helium nuclei), and electrons [23:41] Homemade cloud chamber, but the counter he found on ebay. [23:41] if i remember right [23:42] alpha, beta, gamma [23:42] Good page I just saw on the types of radiation: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/03/15/demystifying-nuclear-radiation/ [23:42] as i understand it the iodide pills wont help against all forms of radiation [23:42] anyways [23:42] i was right! [23:43] iodine pills will make your thyroid absorb loads of non-radioactive iodine [23:43] so it doesnt absorb any radioactive iodine in the environment [23:43] surgeon general is now saying its a worthy precaution to have some pills [23:44] That's what I was guessing, kdub, though nobody seems to be saying that. [23:44] kdub that is what ive read too [23:44] In which case it would only help if there were radioactive iodine particles about. [23:44] so if the radiation is coming from a different type of reactor, or using different fuel the pills are worthless [23:45] i think iodine is a fission by-product [23:45] for u235 [23:48] ah, so there's probably lots of it [23:48] i think pleia2 sorta summed it up a few days back... its a stop gap measure.. something to take while you are making other plans [23:50] lead underpants [23:51] * iheartubuntu has lead panels at work [23:58] i love these rsa animates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk8x3V-sUgU&feature=feedbul [23:58] i need to do exercise or i'll fall asleep