[02:58] <DarkwingDuck> Well, this is for you guys up in the bay area. :P:P http://rakkav.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/insp_sanfrancisco_preview.jpg
[03:00] <akk> heh
[03:02] <jdeslip> nice
[03:07] <iheartubuntu> is it 8:06pm PST?
[03:09] <pleia2> PDT
[03:12] <iheartubuntu> uggh
[03:12] <jtatum> just say pacific :)
[03:12] <iheartubuntu> this computer im using didnt update the time
[03:27]  * pleia2 puts on ST4
[03:27] <pleia2> thanks DarkwingDuck
[03:28] <pleia2> I love how everyone busts on ST5 and I'm all "no way, in 4 they WENT BACK IN TIME TO GET WHALES"
[03:28] <pleia2> it's so great
[03:34] <iheartubuntu> i thought that was the best ST, with the whales
[03:34] <pleia2> it makes me laugh so
[04:07] <pleia2> this is the first time I've watched this since moving here, I'm all woo SF represent! ;)
[04:30] <MarkDude> Google is hiring - Developer Relations jobs: http://sites.google.com/site/googdevreljobs/
[04:30] <MarkDude> Some good opportunities
[05:37] <seidos> my GPA isn't high enough to work at youtube, i suspect the same is true for google
[05:37] <seidos> thanks for the heads up though, MarkDude
[05:39] <MarkDude> seidos, me too
[05:39] <seidos> MarkDude: do you have a wiki?  i didn't know you had a degree
[05:40] <seidos> i want to see if there is an adult school in Downey that would be willing to set up space for hacking
[05:41]  * MarkDude is able to check the *some colleg* box for work purposes
[05:51] <seidos> this reminded me of you MarkDude:  Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. ~ Warren Buffett
[05:52] <MarkDude> ty seidos
[05:52]  * MarkDude just planted a garden at a friends house
[05:53] <pleia2> you don't actually need a degree to work at google if you're talented
[05:53] <MarkDude> She asked me if I needed to remove the 4" holly tree that volunteered to grow awhile ago
[05:53] <pleia2> (and I can't even check "some college")
[05:54] <seidos> it isn't entirely accurate...unless one believes all trees are planted
[05:54] <pleia2> I've never let it stop me from going after things, excuses--
[05:54] <MarkDude> True pleia2
[05:54] <seidos> if you are "talented" you probably know someone that works at google
[05:54] <seidos> throwing your resume at them probably won't land you a gig
[05:54] <MarkDude> I was referring to my lack of dev skills
[05:54] <pleia2> I didn't know anyone at google when I first was contacted by a recruiter
[05:55] <seidos> but yeah, i guess i'm not talented enough either :)
[05:55] <pleia2> their recruiting staff pays attention to open source projects
[05:55] <MarkDude> That is how Michael Van Riper got his job
[05:56] <seidos> yeah, that really isn't true, i have talents
[05:56] <MarkDude> Doing volunteer stuff- plenty of people get in that way its not always a handshake or GSoC
[05:56] <seidos> i couldn't figure out how to market them though
[05:56] <pleia2> my boyfriend is annoyed that I'm already in their recruitment database, if I did try to pursue an opportunity with them he can't get the referral bonus ;)
[05:57] <pleia2> MarkDude: yeah
[05:57] <seidos> i could use a twinkie
[05:58] <MarkDude> seidos, so I told my friend that we might need to move the tree- but that was a *later* thing- we had some time before it was an issue
[05:58] <iheartubuntu> i have zero degrees and i was making $10k/mo when i was 22
[05:58] <iheartubuntu> its more about your determination than anything
[05:58] <seidos> i had $ once, and i was still miserable
[05:59] <MarkDude> and skills
[05:59]  * iheartubuntu wishes he still made that
[05:59] <seidos> i just wish i had my needs met.  i don't even have anything i want to buy.
[05:59] <MarkDude> $ is not evil - it is how you can pursue it that can be
[05:59] <seidos> depending on others...something lame about it
[05:59] <seidos> $ is $
[06:00] <seidos> priorities are all screwed up imho
[06:00] <MarkDude> That is sort of the human condition seidos
[06:00] <seidos> how many school teachers is one hedge fund manager worth :)
[06:00] <MarkDude> we are inherently dependent on each other
[06:00] <seidos> indeed
[06:00] <seidos> some of us more than others
[06:00] <MarkDude> True
[06:01]  * MarkDude was reflecting on Partimus- and how they have 6 computer labs- set up in areas that need help the most
[06:02]  * seidos was reflecting on self, and why
[06:02] <MarkDude> Some of the folks just sort of gloss over how important that is
[06:02] <seidos> i did consider the value of writing, and how it has expanded human memory
[06:02] <seidos> i suppose computers have done this as well
[06:03] <MarkDude> Helping kids have a better chance is sumthin' that really is a thing that can help you sleep at night
[06:03] <seidos> i used to want to be a school teacher.  i help my girlfriend grade papers now
[06:03] <seidos> they weren't hiring though so i stopped pursuing the credential
[06:03] <MarkDude> You dont need to be the teacher dealing with the hectic stuff there to help
[06:04] <seidos> i think i'd like to make cartoons now :)
[06:04] <iheartubuntu> hold on seidos
[06:04] <MarkDude> Well - helping folks smile is very important
[06:05]  * MarkDude has helped build a playground too- that sort of thing is truly rewarding
[06:05] <seidos> my brother used to design playgrounds
[06:06] <seidos> i used to be the secretary at that company
[06:06] <seidos> when i was 16
[06:08] <MarkDude> Sounds interesting
[06:10] <MarkDude> seidos, I think Buffet was correct if he said someone- as opposed to everyone
[06:10] <seidos> what did he say?
[06:10] <seidos> i don't believe in scroll back anymore
[06:10] <MarkDude> I dont think he was referring to ALL trees
[06:10] <seidos> or logs for that matter
[06:11] <seidos> ah, well then it depends on where the dude is sitting
[06:11] <seidos> i wonder if the bodhi tree that Shakyamuni sat under was planted ;)
[06:11] <MarkDude> Log is NOT your co-pilot?
[06:12] <MarkDude> Besides- Jimmy was most likely drink on margaritas
[06:12] <MarkDude> drunk
[06:12] <MarkDude> seidos, that is a thing that could be pondered for a lifetime
[06:12] <seidos> i suck at finding twinkies
[06:13] <seidos> i pondered it for ~2.1 seconds MarkDude
[06:13] <seidos> Jimmy didn't follow the 5 precepts then :(
[06:14] <MarkDude> No- he is pretty pickled
[06:16] <seidos> get pickled without drinking
[06:16] <seidos> and if you must drink something that tastes bad...pure grapefruit juice
[06:18] <seidos> i wish i could act smashed more often
[06:23]  * seidos swings from the chandelier
[06:24] <MarkDude> Humor is a good intoxicant
[06:26] <seidos> Tragedy is a bad intoxicant
[15:54] <iheartubuntu> Its a total work in progress. still got a lot of tweaking to go... http://ubuntubytescomic.blogspot.com/
[17:41] <jdeslip> What software you use to make the comic?
[18:05] <nhaines> Inkscape might actually be helpful there.
[18:06] <pleia2> +1
[18:09] <nhaines> While I'm no artist and I don't really want to criticize it for looking too much like it was drawn with MS Paint...
[18:09] <nhaines> I do have to say that the pacing is really off in that comic.
[18:29] <kdub> who's doing comics?
[18:29] <kdub> inkscape is a great tool, i have a half-baked inkscape-based comic sitting around somewhere in the archives
[21:43] <iheartubuntu> U.S . Surgeon General recommends iodide pills for west coast residents
[21:43] <iheartubuntu> Amazon.com is selling one pack for $500
[21:43] <iheartubuntu> I just saw 40 bids for a $10 pack go for $400 on ebay right now
[21:45] <iheartubuntu> stock up on miso soup and nori seaweed. a japanese study back in WWII in hospitals showed this works
[22:06] <DarkwingDuck> Really?
[22:08] <DarkwingDuck> You do realize the effects of iodide effect if you are NOT exposed to radiation?
[22:09] <jledbetter> http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Surgeon-General-Buying-Iodine-Appropriate-118031559.html
[22:10] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, to have them is not bad.
[22:10] <DarkwingDuck> My warning is do NOT take them unless you are dosed with radiation
[22:10] <jledbetter> Agree.
[22:10] <DarkwingDuck> It's like taking a dose of anti-venom before you are bitten
[22:10] <jledbetter> Heh. Yes.
[22:10] <DarkwingDuck> It will do the same or more damage
[22:11] <DarkwingDuck> Trust me.. We had it on hand when I was on an airfraft carrier
[22:11] <akk> What sort of damage does it do?
[22:12] <jledbetter> I love how they link to the most expensive tablets on ebay. Quite a few cheaper.
[22:12] <DarkwingDuck> It rips apart the thyroid.
[22:13] <DarkwingDuck> If you have a thyroid condotion it will kill you
[22:13] <DarkwingDuck> *Condition
[22:14] <akk> I wish some of these articles explained the details -- why are thyroids so sensitive to radiation, what is the iodide doing to counteract it, what are its other effects on the thyroid?
[22:14] <akk> otherwise it's like "buy these voodoo pills that will magically protect you from evil nukes"
[22:14] <jledbetter> And a link to $300 ones.
[22:15] <DarkwingDuck> And, it's only for those that are exposed to a high dose of radiation
[22:15] <jledbetter> Right.
[22:15] <jledbetter> Not like we can take it up and build up resistance in our body for "just in case."
[22:16] <pleia2> plus thyroid cancer is just one of the many ways that radiation can hurt you (true, a common and lousy way to go)
[22:16] <DarkwingDuck> Potassium iodide cannot protect against any other causes of radiation poisoning, nor can it provide any degree of protection against dirty bombs that produce radionuclides other than isotopes of iodine.
[22:17] <DarkwingDuck> The ONLY thing that it will protect from is thyroid cancer
[22:17] <DarkwingDuck> To be honest... It's a waste of money
[22:17] <DarkwingDuck> For us in the US
[22:17] <pleia2> hey, I'm seriously considering making a quick buck on ebay by selling mine ;)
[22:17] <DarkwingDuck> It would be cheaper to move inland
[22:18] <iheartubuntu> u could!
[22:18] <iheartubuntu> i see expiry 2007 for $200
[22:18] <DarkwingDuck> Or, you can donate it to the red cross for use in Japan where it is needed
[22:18] <pleia2> yeah it turns out mine have expired
[22:18] <iheartubuntu> mine expired also
[22:18] <iheartubuntu> i think i got them after 911
[22:18] <iheartubuntu> ohh well. i dont mind miso soup
[22:18] <iheartubuntu> and japanese beer when times get really bad
[22:18] <DarkwingDuck> I swear... People on the west coast have seen wayyyyyy too many movies
[22:19] <DarkwingDuck> 1st was freaking out about a tsunami slamming the US
[22:19] <pleia2> yeah, mine came from the township when I moved into my killzone-of-nuke-plant house in 2003
[22:19] <DarkwingDuck> Now, radiation from Japan?
[22:19] <pleia2> next, godzilla!
[22:19] <pleia2> I can't wait for godzilla
[22:19] <DarkwingDuck> Three Mile Island was closer
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> they had some japanese comedians on the news at lunch...
[22:20] <DarkwingDuck> Here is hte MSDS for Potassiom Iodide (KI)  http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p5906.htm
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> one guy said he was half japanese. his dad was american and his mom was japanese...
[22:21] <iheartubuntu> well, it was always a problem when his american dad tried to go fishing, because his mom would eat the bait!
[22:21] <pleia2> ah racist jokes
[22:21] <iheartubuntu> he was japanese
[22:21] <jledbetter> facepalm
[22:22] <iheartubuntu> they are doing a fundraiser tonite in LA
[22:22] <pleia2> that doesn't actually make it ok :)
[22:22] <iheartubuntu> it wasnt clear if it was at the laugh factory or on tv
[22:22]  * pleia2 is about to take a hammer to init in debian
[22:23] <iheartubuntu> im a pollack and have a polish calculator by my side. its a piece cardboard with 5 holes in it
[22:23] <iheartubuntu> :D
[22:23] <jledbetter> I don't get it but something tells me it's good I don't.
[22:23] <iheartubuntu> the funny thing is it has been passed down from my great grandfather
[22:24] <iheartubuntu> 5 fingers, 4 holes
[22:24] <iheartubuntu> a polish calculator
[22:24]  * akk grew up using reverse polish calculators, and still misses them sometimes
[22:24] <akk> HP41C FTW
[22:24] <pleia2> jledbetter: it's ok, I don't get it either
[22:24] <jledbetter> pleia2, Thank you :)
[22:24]  * akk doesn't get it either
[22:25] <iheartubuntu> do they even make those antmore?
[22:26] <iheartubuntu> whoops
[22:26] <iheartubuntu> 5 fingers go into the 5 holes
[22:26] <iheartubuntu> thus a polish calc
[22:26] <iheartubuntu> (not 4)
[22:26] <iheartubuntu> typo
[22:28] <iheartubuntu> you gals would be tough in a comedy club. id better not switch professions :)
[22:29] <pleia2> I think I'm just lacking cultural context (and google just shows me reverse polish notation)
[22:30] <pleia2> it's ok though, I'm perfectly happy not getting it
[22:30]  * pleia2 gets back to beating up init
[22:30] <akk> me too ... I don't get it whether it's 4 fingers or 5, but I'm not sure I want to
[22:31]  * akk likes init but is struggling with rsyslog
[22:32] <pleia2> debian's dependency-based init stuff in squeeze has caused all kinds of havoc to our firewall script
[22:33] <pleia2> partially because the former senior sysadmin partially prepped things for this change years ago, and syntax has changed, so I have to tease out what is happening, what is legacy, what I can remove and what I need to update
[22:33] <pleia2> and make sure it all still works with lenny :)
[22:36] <akk> squeeze is still using sysv init, isn't it? Not upstart or systemd?
[22:37] <pleia2> still using sysv init, but they introduced dependency-based loading by default with insserv in squeeze
[22:37] <pleia2> http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot
[22:40] <akk> ah, all I know about insserv is "it's the thing that had broken dependencies forever on ubuntu that caused chkconfig not to work"
[22:41] <pleia2> yeah, I think since upstart handles dependencies insserv isn't required (so unsurprising to me that it would be broken)
[22:42] <pleia2> anyway, the documentation for this change is poor, and when coupled with my half-migrated-in-a-strange-state debian package it's been an interesting day
[22:43] <akk> If anybody ever comes out with a boot-time system that actually has documentation, I bet the world will switch to it whether it's better or not.
[22:43] <pleia2> indeed :)
[22:44] <akk> I'm leaning toward systemd just for that reason -- it doesn't have real documentation but there's a great article about how it works.
[22:44] <akk> Much better than anything I've seen for upstart.
[22:44] <pleia2> I'm just going to write a bash script that does: service start foo & service start bar & ... ;)
[22:45] <pleia2> (ok, that is kinda sysvinit)
[22:45] <akk> yep
[22:45] <akk> but readable!
[22:45] <pleia2> yes!
[22:45] <pleia2> I was happy to satisfy dependencies by changing the symlink number
[22:46]  * pleia2 also tells the kids to get off her lawn
[22:48] <akk> :)
[22:49]  * akk finishes all 822 lines lines of rsyslog.conf(5) and establishes that no, it doesn't explain what's actually in the file
[22:54] <DarkwingDuck> Okay,
[22:54] <DarkwingDuck> I've done a bit of research to help some people.
[22:54] <iheartubuntu> whats that
[22:54] <pleia2> please let this be about sysvinit and not KI pills
[22:54] <pleia2> ;)
[22:55] <DarkwingDuck> Chernobyl had none of the containment precautions that Japan power plants do
[22:55] <pleia2> drat!
[22:55] <DarkwingDuck> The fallout radiation from Chernobyl reached 1200 miles
[22:55] <jtatum> sadhorns pleia2
[22:55] <iheartubuntu> haha
[22:55] <DarkwingDuck> So. Japan fallout will not be as bad as Chernobyl
[22:55] <jtatum> DarkwingDuck: what kind of containment does the spent fuel have?
[22:56] <DarkwingDuck> jtatum: When the power plants in Japan meltdown they will fall into a chasm that is lined with lead
[22:56] <jtatum> DarkwingDuck: that's the reactor
[22:56] <DarkwingDuck> More or less in collapses and burys itself
[22:56] <DarkwingDuck> Yes.
[22:56] <jtatum> the spent fuel is in a pool near the reactor, but outside the reactor containment structure
[22:56] <DarkwingDuck> No
[22:57] <DarkwingDuck> Those are also protected.
[22:57] <DarkwingDuck> However, spent fuel is not the worry
[22:57] <jtatum> sure it is
[22:57] <jtatum> spent fuel fire = bad news
[22:57] <DarkwingDuck> Howso?
[22:57]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[22:57] <jtatum> even if it doesn't melt into the earth or whatever
[22:57] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, lets assume that it does go up like Chernobyl does
[22:58] <jtatum> nobody said like chernobyl
[22:58] <jtatum> it doesn't have to "go up" for it to burn
[22:58] <jtatum> and create a cloud of radioactive smoke
[22:58] <DarkwingDuck> Chernobyl is a good point of reference because it wont be as bad as Chernobyl
[22:59] <jtatum> eh. the pundits on both sides of this are talking out their behinds at this point. three days ago it was like "hey, there's no worries, the reactors will be fine".
[22:59] <DarkwingDuck> The fallout from Chernobyl reached 1200 miles. And even then there wasn't much danger to Moskow. We are 5000 miles away. Over twice the distance
[23:00] <DarkwingDuck> I'm just giving my knowhow from the nuculear school I went to and past accedents
[23:00] <jtatum> well, we agree there. i don't think california is going to get any effects even in a worst case.
[23:00] <DarkwingDuck> Will it suck for Japan? Oh yes
[23:00] <DarkwingDuck> Will it reach the US in danger levels? Nope
[23:01] <jtatum> but three days ago, nobody on the pro-nuke side was listing any of the stuff going down at daiichi as even on the table. we seem to be off the script at this point.
[23:01] <DarkwingDuck> We are
[23:01] <DarkwingDuck> But,
[23:01] <DarkwingDuck> There is still science for a worse case
[23:02] <DarkwingDuck> and even with that... It wont reach Hawaii let alone the West coast in Danger Levels
[23:02] <jtatum> yes, when they write the history books science is going to explain exactly what happened probably :)
[23:02] <DarkwingDuck> I know what happened. :) The process they use to cool failed
[23:02] <DarkwingDuck> It's the reason we stopped using that cooling system on our ships
[23:02] <jtatum> uh.. that's every accident
[23:03] <iheartubuntu> strange that the us naval ships decided to high tail it out of the region
[23:03] <DarkwingDuck> Why is that?
[23:03] <iheartubuntu> they wouldnt move if there wasnt some concern, no?
[23:03] <jtatum> this scale here is crazy. i imagine there are going to be thousands or tens of thousands cf contributing factors across all the plants
[23:03] <DarkwingDuck> There is concern at 60 - 200 miles downwind yes
[23:04] <DarkwingDuck> Or, directly out to sea.
[23:04] <DarkwingDuck> So, they moved south and are still there.
[23:04] <DarkwingDuck> My old ship, USS Ronald Reagan is out there... I'm getting daily updates :D
[23:04] <iheartubuntu> you dont think upper wind patterns can take that stuff all around the globe?
[23:04] <DarkwingDuck> It will decay as it spreads out
[23:04] <jtatum> ?
[23:04] <jtatum> "Update: Utility says new fire at Japan nuclear reactor erupted because first one was not extinguished"
[23:05] <DarkwingDuck> That's how it works. The further from source it is it goes away
[23:06] <DarkwingDuck> It reaching 5000 miles at a danger level is science fiction
[23:08] <iheartubuntu> we are talking about fallout correct?
[23:11] <iheartubuntu> my wife seems concerned. she said in ukraine people didnt drink milk, people took the pills, etc
[23:11] <iheartubuntu> she was a lot closer though
[23:11] <DarkwingDuck> Yes
[23:11] <DarkwingDuck> She was within 1200 miles
[23:12] <DarkwingDuck> Just remember this... Radiation levels goes down exponetially the further you get from the source
[23:12] <DarkwingDuck> So, knowing this... at 1200 miles the radiation from Chernobyl were back into acceptable levels
[23:12] <iheartubuntu> she was approx 550 miles away
[23:12] <DarkwingDuck> We are 5000 miles away from Japan
[23:13] <DarkwingDuck> 4.16x further then safe levels from chernobyl
[23:13] <iheartubuntu> she also wasnt in any wind pattern of chernobyl either
[23:14] <DarkwingDuck> That 1200 miles was teh downwind furthest point
[23:14] <iheartubuntu> id be most concerned about any reactors here in the US like SD
[23:15] <iheartubuntu> so having a backup of iodide (new fave word?) would still not be a bad idea
[23:15] <iheartubuntu> and since we are still sort of expecting the big one here in cali
[23:15] <akk> Stocking up on water is probably more important, for that.
[23:16] <iheartubuntu> http://www.radiationnetwork.com/
[23:16] <iheartubuntu> i didnt realize there was a reactor east of SF
[23:17] <iheartubuntu> i notice most of those numbers on the map were in the teens a few days ago
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> my geiger counter down in my bunker isnt picking up anything (yet). i'll have to tunnel over to the neighbor to see what his readings are
[23:19] <iheartubuntu> (can i get anyone to laugh today please) :)
[23:19] <akk> What does "nuclear site" mean on that map? Looks like it might correlate to military bases.
[23:20] <akk> national labs, etc. (is the one near SF perhaps Lawrence Livermore?)
[23:20] <iheartubuntu> could be
[23:20] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[23:20] <DarkwingDuck> Overall... think of it this way...
[23:20] <DarkwingDuck> When three mile island melted down you know how many people died?
[23:21] <jtatum> tmi didn't melt down
[23:21] <DarkwingDuck> True
[23:21] <DarkwingDuck> But, it did release high doses of radiation
[23:21] <DarkwingDuck> It was a partial meltdown
[23:22] <DarkwingDuck> Anyway.. No one died from it.
[23:22] <DarkwingDuck> Is being prepared for something in the US a good idea if you are close to one? Yes
[23:23] <jtatum> tmi was one reactor with two separate radioactive materials release events. anyone keeping score with how many steam vents have been done across japan?
[23:23] <pleia2> there was no conclusive proof that there were high levels of radiation released at TMI (official reports still maintain there was very little)
[23:23] <pleia2> it's still a mess though, they sealed it up and buried it, there is no clean up from something like that
[23:23] <DarkwingDuck> I'm not worried. Even at Chernobyl levels we wont see anything major in the US from Japan
[23:23] <jtatum> no debate there from me, DarkwingDuck
[23:24] <pleia2> (fwiw I'm not worried either and happily lived in the shadow of a plant for years)
[23:25] <DarkwingDuck> I served on a ship with a couple of cores for years.
[23:26] <DarkwingDuck> FWIW that is where I did some schooling on nuclear stuff
[23:26] <jtatum> did you go to orlando, DarkwingDuck?
[23:27] <DarkwingDuck> No
[23:27] <pleia2> you can't ride ships to orlando, silly jtatum!
[23:27] <pleia2> ;)
[23:27] <jtatum> lol
[23:27] <DarkwingDuck> I was stationed in mainland Navy base in Mississippi
[23:27] <DarkwingDuck> Just outside of Jackson
[23:28] <pleia2> my aunt was at a navy base near clearwater for a couple years
[23:28] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[23:28] <DarkwingDuck> I almost got stationed in Lemmore
[23:29] <jtatum> nuke school was in orlando
[23:29] <DarkwingDuck> It's one of many
[23:29] <DarkwingDuck> Mostly it's done in VA these days
[23:29] <seidos> i want to be a man the stares at goats, but i'm too old :(
[23:29] <jtatum> hm, that contradicts the wiki...
[23:30] <DarkwingDuck> But, I was an aircraft guy and a firefighter so we did our training in California and Virgina
[23:30]  * DarkwingDuck raises his eyebrow
[23:30]  * erichammond had his radiation detector/alarm stolen last night.
[23:30] <iheartubuntu> DarkwingDuck #winning
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> by who erichammond ?
[23:31] <DarkwingDuck> NTC Orlando was closed a few years ago
[23:31] <erichammond> car burglary.  They grabbed whatever they could reach.
[23:31] <kdub> how much is a radiation alarm worth?
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> thats horrible
[23:31] <DarkwingDuck> The main Nuke school command is based out of South Carolina. There are schools in other places these days
[23:31] <seidos> i am guessing nobody saw the movie "the men who stare at goats" :|
[23:32] <iheartubuntu> no. what was it about
[23:32] <kdub> seidos: i dont think so :P
[23:32] <jtatum> DarkwingDuck: was just trying to put you in the right spot for the time when i assumed you were enlisted :)
[23:32] <seidos> my car has absolutely nothing in it
[23:32] <erichammond> kdub: I paid $100, but they seem to have raised the price: http://www.nukalert.com/
[23:32] <akk> seidos: I saw it -- good movie.
[23:32] <seidos> it's about this secret project in the army called "operation jedi" or something
[23:32] <iheartubuntu> what was the op?
[23:32] <akk> Very strange movie, but funny.
[23:32] <seidos> where they tried to train soldiers to be...well...jedi i guess
[23:33] <akk> George Clooney and some other good people.
[23:33] <seidos> it probably makes perfect sense if you are on LSD while you're watching it
[23:33] <kdub> erichammond: even without the japan hype, it would be a good thing to have in general
[23:33] <seidos> funny!
[23:33] <iheartubuntu> thanks for the tip
[23:33] <akk> If you see it, be sure to watch the extras -- all the stuff you thought was over-the-top turns out to be ... true! (they interview some of the people involved)
[23:33] <seidos> yeah, obiwan guy.  where does he go in my mental file?  oh right, McGregor...somewhere in the middle
[23:34] <seidos> i already believed it to be true
[23:34] <seidos> i tried walking through a wall the other day
[23:34] <erichammond> kdub: I thought about taking it on a plane to see if the extra radiation triggered it, but then decided it might be hard to explain to the security folks what I was doing with a little ticking device with a nuclear radiation symbol on it.
[23:34] <iheartubuntu> i actually have a geiger counter at work
[23:34] <akk> I don't know why anyone watches movies in theatres, where they don't get the extras. :)
[23:34] <seidos> my girlfriend drags me to the movies
[23:35] <iheartubuntu> thats a bad thing?
[23:35] <seidos> we need a media center here
[23:35] <seidos> bad as opposed to good?
[23:35] <iheartubuntu> drags
[23:35] <seidos> i think movie theaters are a rip off
[23:35] <iheartubuntu> i only go on sale tix
[23:35] <seidos> well, yeah, drags, because i'd rather watch movies at her place :)
[23:36] <iheartubuntu> ahh
[23:36] <seidos> i am exagerrating
[23:36] <seidos> more like prods
[23:36] <seidos> moo
[23:36] <iheartubuntu> erichammond are u going to replace it
[23:36] <seidos> couldn't you use a cattle prod in fallout?
[23:36] <kdub> not fallout 3
[23:37] <erichammond> iheartubuntu: Perhaps eventually.  See if it drops down in price over the next year.
[23:37] <seidos> never played part 3
[23:37] <seidos> i miss this game "jagged alliance 2"
[23:37] <seidos> that was a fun game.
[23:37] <seidos> old scool
[23:37] <erichammond> iheartubuntu: It was mostly a curiosity purchase, not a "world is ending" survivalist thing.
[23:38] <seidos> i wonder how they work
[23:38] <seidos> they must be pretty hard to build
[23:38] <seidos> is there some substance that emits an electrical charge when it is bombarded by radiation?
[23:38] <seidos> "nuclear radiation" is basically neutrons, right?
[23:39] <seidos> maybe semiconductors, like through the photoelectric effect...only...different
[23:40]  * seidos takes his head out of the clouds
[23:41] <akk> It would be cool to have a geiger counter. A guy in the SJAA brought a cloud chamber and geiger counter to a meeting a few months ago.
[23:41] <kdub> nuclear radiation is  EM radiation, alpha particles(helium nuclei), and electrons
[23:41] <akk> Homemade cloud chamber, but the counter he found on ebay.
[23:41] <kdub> if i remember right
[23:42] <kdub> alpha, beta, gamma
[23:42] <akk> Good page I just saw on the types of radiation: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/03/15/demystifying-nuclear-radiation/
[23:42] <iheartubuntu> as i understand it the iodide pills wont help against all forms of radiation
[23:42] <iheartubuntu> anyways
[23:42] <kdub> i was right!
[23:43] <kdub> iodine pills will make your thyroid absorb loads of non-radioactive iodine
[23:43] <kdub> so it doesnt absorb any radioactive iodine in the environment
[23:43] <iheartubuntu> surgeon general is now saying its a worthy precaution to have some pills
[23:44] <akk> That's what I was guessing, kdub, though nobody seems to be saying that.
[23:44] <iheartubuntu> kdub that is what ive read too
[23:44] <akk> In which case it would only help if there were radioactive iodine particles about.
[23:44] <iheartubuntu> so if the radiation is coming from a different type of reactor, or using different fuel the pills are worthless
[23:45] <kdub> i think iodine is a fission by-product
[23:45] <kdub> for u235
[23:48] <akk> ah, so there's probably lots of it
[23:48] <iheartubuntu> i think pleia2 sorta summed it up a few days back... its a stop gap measure.. something to take while you are making other plans
[23:50] <jtatum> lead underpants
[23:51]  * iheartubuntu has lead panels at work
[23:58] <seidos> i love these rsa animates:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk8x3V-sUgU&feature=feedbul
[23:58] <seidos> i need to do exercise or i'll fall asleep