[03:01] <maxolasersquad_h> Any python peeps around?
[03:23] <DammitJim> man, I know I ask all the time, but is there a new tool in linux where one can make 1920x1080 slide shows with music?
[03:54] <Chloric> late evening guys, is anyone available to talk?
[03:54] <Chloric> I know its super late
[03:55] <maxolasersquad_h> I'm around
[03:56] <Chloric> Hey, who do you think i can talk to from the community leaders?
[03:56] <Chloric> i sent Jono Bacon an Email
[03:57] <maxolasersquad_h> What is it regarding?
[03:57] <maxolasersquad_h> I don't think that there's any issue with contacting Jono directly, but he probably has a lot to sort through before he gets your e-mail.
[03:57] <Chloric> I am attending the International Youth Festival in Beijing, China sponsored by the United Nations for the Youth Summit and my project is Open Source software
[03:58] <Chloric> oh, I am an International Relations major
[03:58] <Chloric> Im in the Model United Nations Organization and all that
[03:58] <maxolasersquad_h> cool
[03:58] <Chloric> I'm goint to China as a student ambassador
[03:59] <Chloric> and for my project, I think i need about 100 Ubuntu pressed CD's
[03:59] <Chloric> I kinda want the officially pressed ones to hand out at the World Youth Summit
[04:00] <maxolasersquad_h> Probably the best you can do is submit a request and see what happens.  Of course, flat out spending the dough to get them would gauruntee it.  I'm not sure who else in the community you could talk to to make it happne.
[04:03] <Chloric> yeah... The trip is paid for (6,000 for 4 weeks), but the ticket isnt... 2,000... so i cant afford buying 100 cd's ><
[04:23] <Chloric> well, thanks man
[04:23] <Chloric> im heading out
[04:23] <Chloric> z's to catch
[12:47] <reya276> Morning everyone
[12:52] <mhall119> statik: were you going to attend the summit jam in person, or remote?
[13:27] <zoopster> mhall119: today makes you official in Canonical - land?
[13:28] <zoopster> itnet7: does your geocache group want to help with the next balloon recovery on 19 April likely late in the evening since the launch is close to 8p
[13:28] <zoopster> munz:  you too? ^^
[13:29] <munz> yea bro, quite possibly
[13:30] <zoopster> munz: ok...I'll keep you updated and hopefully we can be a little more south this time around depending on winds
[13:30] <zoopster> munz: and actually find it the first time this time around!
[13:30] <munz> lol, sounds cood :)
[13:30] <munz> *cool
[13:30] <zoopster> k
[13:33] <DammitJim> zoopster is alive?
[13:33] <DammitJim> can I ask a stupid question?
[13:33] <zoopster> yes dammit jim
[13:34] <DammitJim> why do you guys like ubuntu so much?
[13:34] <DammitJim> is it because it's a click and pull OS?
[13:34] <zoopster> oh geez
[13:35] <zoopster> let me count the  reasons
[13:35] <zoopster> 1) it's simple and it just works
[13:35] <DammitJim> top 3
[13:35] <zoopster> 2) cutting edge support for the latest hardware
[13:35] <zoopster> 3) apt
[13:35] <DammitJim> ok, I buy that... the fact that you don't have to fiddle with things to get something to work
[13:35] <DammitJim> and always up to date on hardware drivers
[13:36] <DammitJim> got it
[13:36] <zoopster> yep
[13:36] <zoopster>  and  the binary video drivers are already built and never need to be rebuilt
[13:36] <munz> 4)dont have to spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[13:36] <DammitJim> I guess the fact that you guys are in here and deal with "problems" is not the common user
[13:37] <zoopster> also seems that ubuntu is continuously updated where fedora/opensuse is not...they just go release to release
[13:37] <maxolasersquad> Alright guys, I'm going under.  If I'm not back in five minutes... just wait longer.
[13:37] <zoopster> I could be wrong there as I jumped ship on rpm based distros 4 years ago and don't follow them any longer
[13:38] <zoopster> maxolasersquad: sounds serious
[13:38] <maxolasersquad> zoopster: Complicated release commencing.
[13:38] <zoopster> hah
[13:38] <DammitJim> lol
[13:38] <zoopster> nice!
[13:38] <maxolasersquad> This is just the dry run into beta though.  And I just did a full export.
[13:39] <maxolasersquad> Stilled scared though. ;)
[13:39] <mhall119> zoopster: I was official yesterday
[13:39] <zoopster> mhall119: just not completely up on the internal comm channels yet?
[13:40] <mhall119> I'm in IRC
[13:43] <mhall119> on mumble right now
[13:49] <maxolasersquad> Anyone know why ~/.gvfs would be empty if I have a number of remote locations mounted via Nautilus?
[13:55] <dantalizing> thx for the css reya276 
[13:55] <dantalizing> morning
[13:55] <dantalizing>  all
[13:55] <reya276> np
[13:59] <statik> mhall119: if i attend the jam it will be in person, my schedule is changing rapidly at the moment
[14:02] <mhall119> statik: okay, cool
[14:02] <mhall119> if you can make it in person, maybe we should move it to orlando
[14:02] <dantalizing> +1
[14:31] <chaynie> morning all/
[14:36] <dantalizing> morning chaynie 
[14:40] <chaynie> anyone discussed a central fla natty release party?
[15:16] <mhall119> chaynie: I brought it up last meeting, but no specific plans yet
[15:17] <chaynie> mhall119: What's the targeted release date? I'd like to help plan something if I can.
[15:17] <munz> 4/28
[15:19] <mhall119> ^^
[15:20] <maxolasersquad> I'm looking at a PDF, that is a screenshot someone printed out, scanned in, and then turned into a PDF.  Win!
[15:20] <munz> lol
[15:22] <chaynie> mhall119: perhaps something around 4/30 then? 
[15:23] <munz> chaynie, what general area u thinking?
[15:24] <chaynie> munz: central fla. Probably Orlando area, but I could be convinced to do something around tampa too.
[15:24] <itnet7> zoopster: not sure, I will ask them, I'm pretty sure that they would be thrilled to help anytime needed
[15:25] <munz> orlando prob better for me, im in daytona, would like to attend, tampa on a weeknight would be hard
[15:25] <mhall119> maxolasersquad: you mean they didn't put the printout on a table and take a picture of it? fail
[15:25] <mhall119> chaynie: just tell me when to be there ;)
[15:25] <zoopster> itnet7: if you can ask that would be great...I'll need some commitments so we can plan accordingly
[15:26] <maxolasersquad> I totally want to print out the e-mail, write my response on it, scan that in and e-mail it to them.
[15:26] <itnet7> zoopster: I will ask them this Sunday, as there is a get together and the one's I could count on will be there
[15:26] <itnet7> Unless you need it sooner
[15:27] <itnet7> be back after lunch...as usual this place is stir crazy :-)
[15:27] <munz> maxolasersquad, YES! you should
[15:27] <chaynie> mhall119: do you have a venue/city preference?
[15:28] <mhall119> chaynie: somewhere in the middle half of the state
[15:28] <zoopster> itnet7: nope...that works great! At a high level, we'll just need someone in the approximate area at a specific time (likely 8:30-9:30p) and we won't know the true area until closer to the launch date as it depends on wind
[15:28] <chaynie> mhall119: I missed your wit. ;)
[15:28] <mhall119> chaynie: I think orlando is the most central
[15:28] <mhall119> chaynie: ;)
[15:29] <chaynie> mhall119, munz: if Orlando works for everyone, let's shoot for orlando.
[15:29] <chaynie> pak33m, cjohnston: Interested in a orlando release party?
[15:29] <munz> yea, i like orlando
[15:30] <mhall119> chaynie: if you can find a child-friendly venue and plan it morning or afternoon, it'll probably make it easier for us parents to attend
[15:30] <chaynie> mhall119: I was going to plan family friendly.
[15:31] <chaynie> and afternoon is probably a good idea anyways.
[15:31] <mhall119> don't forget to put it in LD
[15:32] <munz> afternoon would be better than morning for me too :)
[15:36] <dantalizing> why do yall gotta go weeknights? boo
[15:38] <chaynie> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/811/detail/
[15:42] <munz> dantalizing, next month
[15:42] <reya276> dantalizing, were you able to fix it?
[15:42] <munz> its a sat
[15:47] <mhall119> chaynie: any ideas on a venue?
[15:48] <mhall119> dantalizing: Apr. 30 is a saturday
[16:00] <ghuru> ping itnet7
[16:02] <dantalizing> munz: mhall119 ah i saw 28th ... didnt see chaynie say 30th .... sorry i'm in and out
[16:02] <dantalizing> yay 30th
[16:02] <dantalizing> reya276: havent had a chance to apply it yet
[16:05] <reya276> ok
[16:13] <chaynie> mhall119: I was thinking a starbucks or cup of soul.
[16:14] <chaynie> but cup of soul doesn't work for more than 5+ people.
[16:14] <chaynie> so starbucks might be a better option.
[16:23] <mhall119> starbucks isn't exactly kid-friendly though
[16:23] <mhall119> is there a good place in orlando for a geeknic?
[16:45] <MichelleQ> I'm sure we can find one
[16:46] <MichelleQ> Could have one at Wekiwa
[16:47] <cjohnston> chaynie: depends on day
[16:49] <MichelleQ> could have a camp-in at Wekiwa, too, if anyone wants to.
[16:51] <cjohnston> what about internet
[16:51] <MichelleQ> nada, as far as I can tell.  Finding an outdoor space with wifi might be interesting.
[16:52] <cjohnston> i dont think theres gonna be
[16:52] <cjohnston> some bounce house places have wifi
[16:53] <mhall119> it's supposed to be a party
[16:53] <cjohnston> given, not condusive to us
[16:53] <cjohnston> lol
[16:54] <cjohnston> Talks - presentations given about Ubuntu and the new release. In many cases key figures or contributors are invited to speak at release parties.
[16:54] <cjohnston> Demos - the release party could be used as a means to invite non-Ubuntu users to come and see a demo of how Ubuntu works.
[16:54] <MichelleQ> are we takling release party?  or geeknic?
[16:57] <MichelleQ> we could *gasp* always go with the world's largest mcd's.
[16:58] <dantalizing> we did 3 or 4 at the panera near wintergarden
[16:58] <dantalizing> they have a big room in the back
[16:58] <dantalizing> wifi
[16:58] <dantalizing> pak33m: would be able to explain the exact location better
[16:58] <MichelleQ> kid friendly-ish, I suppose.
[16:59] <jck77> anyone here from Miami ?
[16:59] <cjohnston> NO
[16:59] <dantalizing> lies
[16:59] <cjohnston> (mcd's)
[16:59] <cjohnston> not to you jck77.. sorry
[17:00] <dantalizing> several in/near mia
[17:00] <MichelleQ> jck77: yeah, several members are from the area
[17:00] <dantalizing> reya276: is there-ish
[17:00] <dantalizing> zbrown: left there for the great evil
[17:00] <jck77> ohh cool
[17:00] <MichelleQ> cjohnston: bounce house place would be expensive.
[17:00] <cjohnston> I know
[17:01] <reya276> ok
[17:01] <reya276> can I see it
[17:01] <dantalizing> reya276: i was responding to jck77 
[17:01] <dantalizing> saying that you're in miami
[17:01] <dantalizing> ish
[17:06] <jck77> just wondering if anyone from Miami is organizing an event or meeting 
[17:06] <reya276> oh ok
[18:35] <DammitJim> do you guys know how to configure a wep network on the command line?
[18:56] <maxolasersquad> DammitJim: Using iwconfig
[18:56] <maxolasersquad> Though I haven't done it in years.
[18:57] <maxolasersquad> By configure, I assume you mean, connect to.
[18:57] <maxolasersquad> iwlist is handy too
[18:57] <DammitJim> yeah, I cannot for my life connect to 2 different wep networks
[18:59] <reya276> IE9 is out and is the best modern browser, I swear does MS pay these idiots to right this stuff http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/reviews/2011/03/the-most-modern-browser-there-is-internet-explorer-9-reviewed.ars
[19:01] <reya276> *write
[19:04] <maxolasersquad> The best modern browser ... for me to poop on.
[19:05] <maxolasersquad> It says "most modern browser" which may technically be correct since it is probably the only web browser released today.
[19:08] <maxolasersquad> It's good to see Microsoft is playing catch-up.  They will sit at just below par the rest of the browsers, and then be ancient technology in just a few months as Firefox and Chrome continue to rapidly inovate, and then in a couple years MS will release a browser that almost catches up again.
[19:08] <crashsystems> I just want to know if it's developer tools section has a way to set the browser to ie 7/8 modes, like ie8 has an ie7 mode
[19:09] <maxolasersquad> crashsystems: Do you want it to?
[19:10] <crashsystems> Yes. Its great for testing exploits that only fire in certain versions without actually having all those versions installed.
[19:11] <maxolasersquad> Now us web developers just have to wait about three years for IE7 and IE8 to stop being used by the population so that in three years from now we can start being able to code features that Chrome, Fx and every other browser has had for a couple of years now.
[19:11] <crashsystems> also, its hidden in the developer tools section, meaning average users are never going to actually use it
[19:11] <maxolasersquad> crashsystems: I just see that as a way to let web developers be lazy and continue having their crap code running on the web, forcing browsers to support old stuff.
[19:12] <crashsystems> I agree, insane amounts of backwards compatibility in IE is bad for the web, but for security testing, it is quite useful.
[19:12] <maxolasersquad> Though I can see how it is helpful for tech people doing stuff like you do.
[19:14] <dantalizing>  i retweeted earlier:  adrianinsf I heard the new #IE9 can download Firefox even faster than the last one.
[19:15] <crashsystems> lol
[19:15] <crashsystems> it will be fun to see what kind of new security holes IE9 opens up.
[19:16] <ghuru> IE9 is a joke
[19:17] <maxolasersquad> Well, we never truly get to know all of the issues in MS products since it is built and maintained in a closed environment.
[19:17] <ghuru> although I read the other day some guy was making it work under wine
[19:17] <maxolasersquad> Yep, IEs4Linux posted about their work to get it to run.
[19:18] <crashsystems> as a side note... http://www.whispersys.com/whispercore.html
[19:20] <reya276> maxolasersquad, I agree with you 100% one web dev to another, MS shits on us big time dude as we can't implement what we want. But what I have done is force everyone whom wants to use our app use FF or chrome
[19:20] <maxolasersquad> It took some big brass round ones to allow us to not support IE6.
[19:20] <reya276> I don't have time to be adding patches and fixes, if they can't use FF or chrome, or Opera and even Safari then C-YAH
[19:21] <maxolasersquad> Yeah, one guy has spent over a week now trying to get around a rendering issue in IE7 that is broking one of our widgets.
[19:21] <reya276> I told my boss from Day one I code to standards if IE does not support it, that is not my problem
[19:21] <maxolasersquad> s/broking/borking
[19:22] <maxolasersquad> Our customers are primarily government employees, so many of them are not even allowed to have a browser other than IE on their PCs.
[19:23] <reya276> the funny thing about it, is that he supports on me on this. He went on a sales demo for this one company called AveMed and they were still running IE6 and he told them flat out our software wont run on that
[19:25] <maxolasersquad> reya276: That's awesome.
[19:25] <reya276> the only IE version we support is 8 which is the only version to date which supports some CSS standards, so he told them that the best solution was for them to use FF. Then 2 weeks later an email went out to all the customers telling them that IE6/7 is not supported due to non-css compliant
[19:26] <maxolasersquad> You could always provide an optional Chrome-Frame for IE users.
[19:26] <maxolasersquad> http://code.google.com/chrome/chromeframe/
[19:26] <reya276> nope, I don't care if it is not W3C standards compliant we wont support it, because we code to standards
[19:26] <crashsystems> yo dawg, I heard you liked browsers, so I gave you a browser in your browser...
[19:26] <reya276> or at least try to
[19:27] <reya276> because if a web-kit engine or presto engine renders the pages according to W3C standards then the code will work across the board end of story
[19:28] <maxolasersquad> reya276: Which is what crhome-frame will buy you.
[19:28] <maxolasersquad> crashsystems: ++
[19:28] <reya276> oh that is great, but if they don't know about it I wont tell them. Now what I would tell them instead is to switch to Chrome
[19:29] <crashsystems> I've been using FF4 at home and work, and Firefox on my phone, and love it.
[19:30] <reya276> if you built your app based on a tech that is non-standards compliant then you deserve to be fired that is how I see it. Anyone of my guys here come to me selling me some .NET garbage and I'll send them on a weeks vacation so they can think about if they really want to work here
[19:31] <reya276> here we don't support MS tech and that is the reason why we are phasing them out completely
[19:31] <maxolasersquad> Note to self, do not piss of reya276.
[19:31] <maxolasersquad> ;)
[19:31] <reya276> lol
[19:32] <reya276> MS SQL server gone, Active Directory Gone, Windows Server 2003 Gone. All that is left is to get rid of the damn Winjunk desktops
[19:33] <reya276> Adobe products other than Coldfusion are not used here and the only reason why CF is being used is 1 because is Java based and 2 because it has a GPL version of the Language
[19:34] <crashsystems> aw come on, no ASP.NET?
[19:34] <reya276> Hell no
[19:34] <reya276> never
[19:34] <crashsystems> :D good choice
[19:34] <crashsystems> however, when used properly, MAC enabled encrypted viewstates are a good CSRF protection
[19:35] <reya276> PHP, Java, CF PERL RUBY(not IronRuby) and Python not a problem anything that is non MS tech.
[19:35] <crashsystems> bah, I've seen lots of terrible CF sites
[19:36] <reya276> oh yeah because they don't use the language properly and don't treat it as a OO programming
[19:36] <reya276> with CF you have to separate the code from design and most CF programmers have no idea how to do that
[19:37] <reya276> our app is XML/CSS/HTML front end and CF/MYSQL backend
[19:37] <reya276> also you have to know how to configure the CF server if not the site will run like doo doo
[19:39] <reya276> so our app can be modify entirely on the front end and it will function normally because all of the functionality has been written independant of the design code
[19:39] <reya276> so CF spits out XML, Jquery/Spry handles the output and done
I like sites that let me log in over GET requests. It lets me use my browsing history as a password manager!</sarcasm>
[19:44] <reya276> awesome http://people.mozilla.com/~prouget/ie9/ie9_vs_fx4.html
[19:48] <reya276> seems like IE9 is missing lots 
[20:20] <dantalizing> lol
[20:20] <dantalizing> reya276 ^^^
[20:20] <reya276> hey
[20:21] <dantalizing> just read your rant about your guys trying to sell you .net garbage
[20:21] <ejv> ars hails ie9 is best in class according to the headline that is ;)
[20:22] <dantalizing> i love when ars "reviews" something
[20:22] <dantalizing> its usually something like this:
[20:23] <dantalizing> hey let me tell you about x.... its just like y, which does a,b,c... its worse that z, which does d,e,f... but f on y really works well too.  And g on x works the same as z, except here are the technical details of how z implemented it
[20:24] <dantalizing> i'm always like ... why the f* am i reading ars again??????
[20:24] <ejv> i enjoy it
[20:25] <ejv> but its not my only source for news, i like to mix it up
[20:25] <ejv> slashdot, ars, techreport, anandtech, phoronix, kerneltrap, so on and so forth
[20:26] <ejv> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/reviews/2011/03/the-most-modern-browser-there-is-internet-explorer-9-reviewed.ars
[20:26] <ejv> The company doesn't want to ever have to remove or fundamentally modify a feature that it has implemented due to changes in specifications. As such, it has taken a policy of only implementing those specifications that are unlikely to undergo any further changes. As a result, Internet Explorer 9 will compare unfavorably on sites like HTML5 Test, but Microsoft views this as far preferable to making developers have to alter their real-world applications just 
[20:30] <ejv> yea the content is rather questionable
[20:30] <ejv> im not sure i'd call this the most modern browser if it can't pass half the HTML5 tests, but i do understand the perspective of conservatism with approach to standards
[20:31] <ejv> especially if HTML5 is still evolving, which it is
[20:31] <ejv> but i say bravo to making a damned effort this time around to actually *THINK* about web standards
[20:33] <ejv> obligatory: http://goo.gl/5nxYQ
[20:34] <dantalizing> ejv, the cynical person might say its not an effort to think about standards, so much as an effort slow down the web as a platform ..... lets face it, the biggest pain point in web dev is IE .... 
[20:34] <ejv> as a web developer i whole heartedly agree
[20:34] <ejv> check out that tiny link
[20:34] <ejv> good stuff ;)
[20:35] <ejv> i still think an <!--[if IE 9 ]> will be in order sadly...
[20:35] <reya276> dantalizing, yeap it is so true, that is why I'm going to stop reading their reviews for some odd reason they can't remain unbiased towards one side or the other
[20:35] <reya276> is either Apple or MS
[20:36] <ejv> you didn't even read it reya276 
[20:36] <reya276> And when it comes to Google/Android their is always an issue
[20:36] <reya276> yes I did
[20:36] <reya276> all 2 pages
[20:36] <ejv> if you did, then you're ignoring the fact that the author highlights its weaknesses and addresses MS' spec' adherence (or lack thereof)
[20:37] <reya276> IE is the worst thing that could have happen to the WEB
[20:37] <reya276> regardless of the version
[20:37] <ejv> i think they remained remarkably neutral.
[20:37] <reya276> we could have been were we are now back in 2000
[20:37] <reya276> or 2001
[20:38] <reya276> yet it took 9 years for this pieces of doo doo company to finally say OK fine lets stick to standards(not really)
[20:38] <reya276> come on
[20:38] <ejv> as much as web devs hate it, we have to embrace these new developments, we should be happy about this press release, the alternative is no development, which is unacceptable.
[20:39] <dantalizing> i dont believe that
[20:39] <ejv> i'd rather hear a company is working towards a goal, than not at all...
[20:39] <reya276> dude you have zero clue as to what your talking about I've been doing this for the last 15 years
[20:39] <reya276> trust me MS is not needed
[20:39] <ejv> reya276 personal attacks won't win you respect here lol
[20:40] <dantalizing> ejv: sure but they're goal is their own best interest only ... which is fine if thats what they want to do ... but its really not helping when they could be doing so much 
[20:40] <reya276> if you have read my previous rant you would know. Personal attacks, get a load of this guy over here. you kidding right
[20:40] <ejv> i believe we're on the same team here, although im in the camp that is happy to see software being updated, versus not at all.
[20:41] <reya276> huh?
[20:41] <reya276> no one said otherwise
[20:41] <reya276> dude I think you miss understand too much just like my so called personal attacks
[20:42] <ejv> it's rude to imply someone doesn't know what they are talking about; and you imply that you are more experienced than I, which.... how could you possibly know that?
[20:43] <ejv> agreed? thought so. lol
[20:44] <reya276> yeah ok, lol
[20:45] <reya276> so tell me this what do you use to built sites?
[20:46] <ejv> just to drive the point home, im not trying to rain on your parade. you do however come off a bit cynical with your anti-microsoft views. we're in the real world where we have to play with IE whether we like to or not. i'm happy to see this update. :)
[20:46] <reya276> does your company support IE56
[20:46] <reya276> no we don't not in my world
[20:47] <reya276> which like I said any guy on my team whom even thinks of giving me some BS on how and why we need MS tech gets a week vacation to think about it
[20:47] <dantalizing> ejv: i think the issue is people like ars trumpeting ie9 as the "most modern" browser, when really its a point release
[20:47] <dantalizing> better is better
[20:48] <dantalizing> but lets (ars) not get all mushy and attempt to reframe the argument
[20:54] <ejv> at UF the web apps, plugins, etc. I build have to be viewable universally, but I don't use MS tech no.
[20:55] <ejv> dantalizing: i agree, firefox has been ahead of the game in most next-gen features for quite some time, as that link shows. :)
[20:56] <dantalizing> ejv: you know they're working on some mobile apps?
[20:56] <dantalizing> you're not in that group are you?
[20:59] <ejv> i may be tasked with doing something mobile eventually, but nope, not involved in that right now
[21:18] <pak33m> dantalizing: i hear you say my name
[21:18] <pak33m> you too chaynie ;)
[21:29] <chaynie> pak33m: Release party in Orlando!
[21:33] <pak33m> chaynie: yeah, count me in
[21:33] <chaynie> pak33m: add yourself to the event in the loco directory.
[21:33] <pak33m> chaynie: ok, i will
[21:34] <chaynie> pak33m: Also, good to hear from you again! :)
[21:34] <pak33m> and that particuliar panera is off 535 in lake buena vista
[21:34] <pak33m> chaynie: you too :)
[21:34] <pak33m> i will try to make more noise soon
[21:50] <mhall119> chaynie: I don't know where it'll be yet!
[22:20] <reya276> Here this is the form anyone of us can fill out when we want to complaint about something or someone http://i.imgur.com/fR03f.jpg
[22:20] <reya276> this way is official
[22:21] <reya276> and we can keep a record, of how rude I have been or whom I have pissed off or whom pissed me off
[22:21] <reya276> again here is that form http://i.imgur.com/fR03f.jpg