| snap-l | I just sent a note to the program director of WDETHD2 to see if they'd be interested in Open Metalcast | 02:31 |
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| snap-l | We'll see what happens. | 02:31 |
| * rick_h_ crosses fingers for you | 02:31 | |
| greg-g | ditto | 02:31 |
| snap-l | Thanks. :) | 02:32 |
| snap-l | btw: folks, if you'r subscribed to the lococast user on identica, please subscribe to the group instead | 02:32 |
| snap-l | the user hasn't been updated in a dog's age. | 02:32 |
| snap-l | Changed the lococast page to point to the group instead | 02:33 |
| snap-l | tx, greg-g :) | 02:34 |
| greg-g | ;) | 02:35 |
| snap-l | I love it when someone says that they don't quite get identi.ca or microblogging | 02:44 |
| snap-l | three things they've subscribed to: joindiaspora, doctorow, and one other person | 02:44 |
| snap-l | of course you're not going to get it. :) | 02:44 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.arpitonline.com/blog/2011/03/14/thoughts-on-an-open-twitter-replacement-concentrate-on-whats-done-poorly/ | 02:52 |
| snap-l | #3 is partially done with Status.net | 02:55 |
| snap-l | user discovery is still a blackart with federated sites | 02:55 |
| snap-l | much like discovering e-mail | 02:55 |
| snap-l | and routing all messages to your inbox: it's your funeral. :) | 02:56 |
| wolfger | Morning. | 11:44 |
| brousch | correct | 12:11 |
| tjagoda | AFTERNOON | 12:15 |
| brousch | incorrect | 12:17 |
| wolfger | premature | 12:24 |
| wolfger | or, possibly, geographically removed. | 12:24 |
| wolfger | I mean, it *is* afternoon somewhere... | 12:24 |
| greg-g | g'morn | 12:27 |
| wolfger | depending on what the g stands for | 12:28 |
| wolfger | Oh boy... RMS is at it again. | 13:09 |
| binbrain | dude, I just going to say that, LOL, RMS ranting about cell phones | 13:09 |
| brousch | omg did you see the latest rms rant? | 13:13 |
| greg-g | link? | 13:14 |
| brousch | it's all over the webz! | 13:14 |
| brousch | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/031411-richard-stallman.html?hpg1=bn | 13:15 |
| tjagoda | I never knew about task | 13:15 |
| tjagoda | the console based to-do manager | 13:15 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: I tried task. It's a little limited for my tastes | 13:16 |
| tjagoda | http://taskwarrior.org/projects/show/taskwarrior/ | 13:17 |
| tjagoda | It appears to be under active dev | 13:17 |
| binbrain | haha, the interview of RMS was done on cell phone, but he had to borrow 1 | 13:17 |
| binbrain | I hope he didn't stay on long enough for big brother to track him down | 13:17 |
| snap-l | He makes some valid points, though | 13:18 |
| snap-l | You can't really develop for your phone without getting a special developer phone | 13:19 |
| snap-l | and if you want to hack on Google's tools, you can't. | 13:19 |
| snap-l | Stallman does his computing on a Lemote Yeeloong laptop running gNewSense, a GNU/Linux distribution composed only of free software. | 13:20 |
| snap-l | "There are some things I can't do. I'm using a rather slow computer because it's the only laptop with a free BIOS," Stallman says. gNewSense is the only totally free distribution that will run on the Lemote, which has a MIPS-like processor, he says. The Lemote had come with another GNU/Linux distribution that included non-free software, and Stallman replaced it with gNewSense. | 13:20 |
| snap-l | Before agreeing to an interview with Network World, Stallman demanded that this article use his preferred terminology -- e.g. "free software" instead of "open source" and "GNU/Linux" instead of just "Linux." He also requested that the interview be recorded and that, if the recording were distributed online, that it be done so in a format that works with free software. | 13:21 |
| snap-l | Gotta love RMS. | 13:21 |
| snap-l | I love how he's uncompromising | 13:22 |
| snap-l | but I wish his acolytes would choose their battles a little better. | 13:22 |
| snap-l | The network world intervew was very good | 13:25 |
| snap-l | I'm surprised. ;) | 13:25 |
| brousch | i'm inspired. time to switch to bsd | 13:26 |
| snap-l | heh | 13:26 |
| brousch | wait, that's too free isn't it | 13:26 |
| snap-l | now now | 13:26 |
| wolfger | then go OpenBSD instead of FreeBSD :-) | 13:27 |
| wolfger | RMS is a good idea gone horribly awry. | 13:28 |
| wolfger | There's a difference between having principles (good!) and being uncompromising (bad!). | 13:28 |
| snap-l | Well, RMS is a good way to calibrate those principles | 13:29 |
| wolfger | If you refuse to compromise, so will everybody else, and you'll never get anywhere | 13:29 |
| snap-l | Not necessarily | 13:29 |
| snap-l | He's walking proof that it can be done | 13:29 |
| snap-l | I don't get on a Zen monk's case for their choice to rake sand | 13:30 |
| snap-l | but I know that I am not about to rake sand | 13:30 |
| snap-l | And I can admire the Zen monk's conviction to rake said sand | 13:30 |
| wolfger | The difference being, the zen monk doesn't go around saying everybody should rake sand. | 13:31 |
| wolfger | He wants to change the world, but if the world doesn't go 100% his way... 99% is treated as bad as 0% by him. | 13:32 |
| wolfger | So why even bother? | 13:32 |
| brousch | someone has to keep us pointed in the right direction | 13:32 |
| snap-l | brousch: ++ | 13:33 |
| brousch | it is good he exists and stays true to his cause | 13:33 |
| wolfger | It would be better if he existed and wasn't so damned inflexible. | 13:33 |
| brousch | even though i make fun of him | 13:33 |
| brousch | there are plenty of other people that are inflexible | 13:34 |
| wolfger | Seriously, I believe he does the cause more harm than good every time he speaks | 13:34 |
| brousch | a few stalwarts are good | 13:34 |
| snap-l | wolfger: People glom on to the headline | 13:34 |
| brousch | wait, i mean plenty of other people who are flexible | 13:34 |
| snap-l | Slashdot reports that Stalman thinks cellphones are the tools of Stalin | 13:34 |
| wolfger | Yeah, that's where I picked it up from | 13:35 |
| brousch | it might be good if he were less dramatic | 13:35 |
| snap-l | And that makes the whole thing sound ridiculous | 13:35 |
| brousch | but then no one would pay attention | 13:35 |
| snap-l | but if you read what he said, it's more sane and carefully thought out | 13:35 |
| brousch | and if he'd shower and groom himself | 13:36 |
| wolfger | Oh, sure, a lot (if not all) of what he says is true. | 13:36 |
| snap-l | See, Stallman and Palin are cut from the same cloth | 13:36 |
| snap-l | except Stallman makes sense, and is less easy on the eyes | 13:36 |
| snap-l | Palin is just batshit insane | 13:36 |
| wolfger | LOL | 13:36 |
| snap-l | and Stallman frames his interviews according to what he wants to get across | 13:36 |
| snap-l | I agree, though, that the 1970s activism stunts that the FSF proposes are very tone-deaf and silly | 13:38 |
| brousch | i always feel guilty after reading a stallman piece | 13:38 |
| snap-l | tying up the genius bar to have a debate on free software is counterproductive | 13:38 |
| snap-l | but I'd have the same problem with PETA doing the chicken dance in front of a KFC that I would have of people in radiation suits doing the DRM dance in front of the Apple store. | 13:39 |
| wolfger | I have more problems with PETA than FSF. | 13:40 |
| snap-l | bah, I forgot to type "people from PETA in chicken suits doing the chicken dance..." | 13:40 |
| wolfger | I at least think FSF is aruging a sound position. :-p | 13:40 |
| snap-l | wolfger: Totally agree. | 13:40 |
| wolfger | But they are about the same level of media-whoring laughing-stock. | 13:41 |
| wolfger | More about making waves than making a difference. | 13:41 |
| binbrain | remember that crap FSF pulled a few years ago, when they mailed "proprietary software is for the devil" pamphlets to all the fortune 500 companies, WTF | 13:42 |
| binbrain | thinking about it makes me laugh, what did they think they would really accomplish | 13:42 |
| snap-l | binbrain: I have a real problem with fundamentalism, both in the church, and in the FSF | 13:42 |
| wolfger | Yeah, that probably set Free Software adoption back about 20 years... | 13:43 |
| snap-l | Framing the conversation in terms of good vs evil is counterproductive | 13:43 |
| wolfger | "Oh, I'm sorry... Did you want us to take you seriously?" | 13:43 |
| greg-g | huh, taskwarrior has some nice mutt integration thanks to nixternal http://taskwarrior.org/wiki/taskwarrior/AddOns | 13:56 |
| jrwren | FSF is a church. | 14:32 |
| snap-l | And microsoft is a megachurch. :) | 14:33 |
| snap-l | With guns, and hookers | 14:33 |
| snap-l | and blackjack | 14:33 |
| wolfger | FSF is Westboro... | 14:38 |
| greg-g | zow | 14:38 |
| wolfger | (or does that invoke some variant of Godwin?) | 14:38 |
| greg-g | yes | 14:38 |
| greg-g | also, I disagree | 14:38 |
| wolfger | I know, a bit extreme... | 14:39 |
| greg-g | Westboro is more the anti-mono folks | 14:39 |
| wolfger | they aren't nearly as bad as Westboro | 14:39 |
| greg-g | FSF is probably just closer to a Amish church | 14:39 |
| greg-g | doing without for ethical reasons | 14:39 |
| wolfger | Hardly anybody is as bad as Westboro | 14:39 |
| * greg-g nods | 14:39 | |
| wolfger | also, sign me up for the guns, hookers, and blackjack | 14:40 |
| wolfger | :-) | 14:40 |
| wolfger | greg-g: Isn't FSF also the anti-mono folks? | 14:42 |
| wolfger | There's definitely some overlap there. | 14:42 |
| greg-g | point | 14:42 |
| greg-g | but I think the most vocal/craziest about it are the boycottnovell people | 14:43 |
| wolfger | FSF is pro-Mono but anti-writing-anything-in-C# | 14:45 |
| wolfger | Kinda like being pro-Colt-Revolver, but anti-bullet. | 14:46 |
| snap-l | FSF is anti patents, and mono could be a patent trap | 14:48 |
| snap-l | as could Java | 14:48 |
| snap-l | as could any language when you get right down to it | 14:48 |
| jrwren | the top of planet-commandline.org is cool right now, but I prefer du -kx | sort -nr | head :) | 14:50 |
| jrwren | taliban is worse than westboro | 14:50 |
| jrwren | mono could be a patent trap??? wtf have you been reading?!? | 14:51 |
| jrwren | Linux is more a patent trap than mono. See the tomtom case. | 14:51 |
| snap-l | jrwren: That seems to be the biggest complaint that I've read about mono | 14:51 |
| snap-l | that and Microsoft can't be trusted | 14:52 |
| snap-l | which is stupid on both counts | 14:52 |
| snap-l | Both complaints can be leveled at Oracle and Java | 14:52 |
| jrwren | as long as you don't beleive it. its lies. | 14:53 |
| wolfger | jrwren: Point taken. I was not thinking globally. | 14:53 |
| snap-l | Well, I hope they don't make me a lier | 14:53 |
| wolfger | and as for patent trap... FSF is convinced C# is a patent trap, or could be. They treat it like a time bomb. | 14:54 |
| snap-l | Again, so is Java | 14:54 |
| snap-l | yet everyone loves Java, but hates C# | 14:55 |
| snap-l | Well, maybe not love | 14:55 |
| wolfger | yes, but they see C# as worse for some reason I don't care to understand. | 14:55 |
| snap-l | I don' tthink anyone Loves Java | 14:55 |
| wolfger | managers love Java | 14:55 |
| snap-l | More like tolerates | 14:55 |
| snap-l | wolfger: yeah, because Java is the current widget-cranker's language. | 14:55 |
| snap-l | You can get 100 widget crankers to write Java | 14:56 |
| snap-l | There's folk that can write awesome Java, and there's folks that write the shit that I've mostly seen | 14:56 |
| wolfger | Yes. And management would rather have disposable programmers than worry about having to retain talented programmers | 14:56 |
| snap-l | I think rick_h_'s rant about the day coders sums up the problems of Java very well | 14:57 |
| wolfger | at least, management here... | 14:57 |
| snap-l | Java seems like the language that you leave in the office | 14:57 |
| rick_h_ | irc lighting up, what's up? | 14:58 |
| rick_h_ | java developers? uh oh | 14:58 |
| snap-l | Well, it started off as FSF stuff | 14:58 |
| rick_h_ | wheeee | 14:58 |
| rick_h_ | good Tues | 14:58 |
| snap-l | RMS discussed cell phones | 14:58 |
| snap-l | Scrollback will make more sense. :) | 14:59 |
| rick_h_ | tl;dr :P | 14:59 |
| snap-l | I just invoked the name of rick_h_ to make a pount about day coders and Java. | 14:59 |
| wolfger | Yeah. He said, "Don't be a day-coder like rick_h_" | 15:00 |
| wolfger | :-D | 15:00 |
| wolfger | Or something to that effect. I may have misunderstood. | 15:00 |
| rick_h_ | yea, good rule of thumb | 15:01 |
| snap-l | wolfger: Come here, and let me hug your neck while I shake it vigerously. | 15:01 |
| rick_h_ | do opposite of what rick_h_ does | 15:01 |
| wolfger | I'm so glad it's lunchtime. Otherwise my cow-orkers would be giving me really strange looks right now. | 15:03 |
| wolfger | As I literally laugh out loud every couple seconds when I re-read the "hug your neck" comment. | 15:04 |
| snap-l | ;) | 15:05 |
| wolfger | I'm surprised tjagoda isn't weighing in with his "trolololo" | 15:07 |
| jrwren | C# can't be a patent trap any more than perl, python or ruby can be. | 15:11 |
| jrwren | the fundamentals of a programming langauge are not patentable. | 15:11 |
| jrwren | Grammars have been well known and understood for 60+ yrs. | 15:11 |
| jrwren | I've never heard boycott novell or fsf say that C# is a patent threat. | 15:12 |
| jrwren | ... .net libraries and mono on the other hand... they have made idiotic claims about | 15:12 |
| tjagoda | trololololololllllll | 15:13 |
| brousch | when i've seen such claims they are usually regarding the windows forms or whatever the new windows gui crap is called | 15:14 |
| brousch | but then mono seems to stay away from those | 15:14 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I plead ignorance into what is the alleged patent traps in mono / .net | 15:18 |
| snap-l | mostly because I'm not as familiar with them as you. | 15:19 |
| snap-l | but I will agree that the claims are idiotic | 15:19 |
| wolfger | jrwren: http://www.fsf.org/news/2009-07-mscp-mono | 15:22 |
| wolfger | Buzz is oddly quiet today. | 16:31 |
| wolfger | Or possibly the "unread" count simply wasn't changing. There were several new items there when I clicked on it. | 16:32 |
| smoser | jcastro, did you get your thinkpad? | 16:59 |
| jrwren | brousch: mono doesn't stay away from windows forms, but if any of it were a patent issue, then Wine would be in HUGE trouble too, but we don't hear about FSF hating on Wine do we? | 17:04 |
| jrwren | hypocrits | 17:04 |
| jrwren | brousch: if you study that link you sent it doesn't add up. | 17:06 |
| jcastro | smoser: I did! Just waiting on new SSDs to come out! | 17:07 |
| jrwren | its also out of date, the community promise has been extended to the BCL, so specifically the serialization, xml and regex libs that the FSF cites. | 17:07 |
| jrwren | ugh, here I am defending a technology because i hate patents. | 17:08 |
| jrwren | NEVER let patents stop you from using the best tech. | 17:08 |
| jcastro | JUST ROLL WITH IT | 17:08 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I hate anything that stands in the way of progress | 17:09 |
| snap-l | and patents are standing in our way. | 17:09 |
| wolfger | snap-l++ | 17:10 |
| wolfger | when you need a legal team in order to design software, something is wrong. | 17:10 |
| snap-l | http://mattendahl.blogspot.com/2011/03/all-about-emergency-managers-analysis.html | 17:10 |
| jrwren | right, but don't let that stop you from using the best technology. | 17:12 |
| jrwren | same thing with (c) | 17:12 |
| * wolfger patents the concept of using the best technology for the job. | 17:13 | |
| jrwren | lol | 17:14 |
| wolfger | of course, that doesn't leave me very many companies to sue. | 17:14 |
| jrwren | i take it back | 17:14 |
| jrwren | its a sad world we live in. | 17:14 |
| wolfger | What really makes it sad is that people who don't have a clue are given the task of handing out software patents and/or ruling on the lawsuits regarding same. | 17:16 |
| wolfger | then some people actually believe patents protect inventors and encourage innovation | 17:17 |
| tjagoda | I would like to patent Wolfger's opinion | 17:39 |
| tjagoda | So that he must pay me royalty every time he speaks | 17:39 |
| wolfger | Noooooooo | 17:39 |
| tjagoda | I invented Wolfger's opinion | 17:39 |
| wolfger | actually, my opinion is not patentable. You'd have to patent a process by which you have an opinion. | 17:40 |
| wolfger | Then you could collect from anybody who has one. :-p | 17:40 |
| * brousch signs up for a psychology degree so he can rule the world | 17:41 | |
| wolfger | I would in return claim that I have no opinions, only facts. :-D | 17:41 |
| brousch | i will patent usage of the part of your brain that is used for forming an opinion | 17:42 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: some prettying in bookie: http://rick.bmark.us//recent | 19:10 |
| rick_h_ | just some basics, but should apply cleanly if you pull/restart | 19:10 |
| _stink_ | rick_h_: oo | 19:12 |
| rick_h_ | going to start some import ui and after that try to start some basic api auth I think | 19:12 |
| _stink_ | awesome. i've got an instance at bookie.adamlincoln.org | 19:13 |
| _stink_ | IP restricted, though | 19:13 |
| rick_h_ | yea, good call | 19:13 |
| rick_h_ | I've started some checks, if you flip the "edit" in the config off it won't display links for delete/etc | 19:13 |
| rick_h_ | and once I get the auth/api key stuff going you'll set an API key and the chrome plugin will be coded to use that as a simple form of auth | 19:14 |
| Blazeix | nice, I like the css calendar icon. | 19:14 |
| rick_h_ | so not changes via http, have to use API with key to make changes | 19:14 |
| rick_h_ | yea, only looked at the stuff in chrome since I'm using that and my extension is chrome only | 19:14 |
| rick_h_ | but it's a start | 19:14 |
| _stink_ | rick_h_: i plan to give FF a go with it. | 19:15 |
| rick_h_ | awesome! | 19:16 |
| _stink_ | unless greg-g has already carved that out. | 19:16 |
| _stink_ | rick_h_: that and a curses client :) | 19:16 |
| rick_h_ | I think you can copy/paste a lot of code since it's basic JS | 19:16 |
| Blazeix | fyi, it looks really good in IE9 and FF | 19:16 |
| _stink_ | rick_h_: but you may get to that first | 19:16 |
| rick_h_ | cool, good to know | 19:16 |
| Blazeix | missing the red part of the calendar and some rounded corners, but nothing huge | 19:16 |
| rick_h_ | I don't know, right now I have a lot of work on the server side and figure I should stick with that as long as possible | 19:16 |
| rick_h_ | but we'll see, it's a long term thing for sure | 19:17 |
| _stink_ | yep | 19:17 |
| _stink_ | i am the king of 'long-term project' :) | 19:17 |
| _stink_ | just commited to pydidit on Sunday - first commit since April 2010 :P | 19:18 |
| _stink_ | and still like 7 branches waiting to get wrapped up | 19:18 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 19:18 |
| rick_h_ | we should start a club | 19:18 |
| _stink_ | you did - it's CHC | 19:19 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but that's in person, and those of us that have such lazy/long term projects can't bother meeting | 19:20 |
| _stink_ | oh yeah. :_) | 19:20 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: neat-o! | 19:23 |
| greg-g | _stink_: I haven't started on that Fx plugin yet :( | 19:23 |
| _stink_ | greg-g: well, neither have I, so we both :( | 19:23 |
| greg-g | :( in groups is more fun that :( alone | 19:23 |
| _stink_ | oh for sure | 19:24 |
| _stink_ | everybody :( ! | 19:24 |
| greg-g | :) | 19:26 |
| snap-l | Is it just me, or is ekiga garbage? | 19:30 |
| greg-g | haven't used it | 19:30 |
| snap-l | Well, it can't register my account | 19:30 |
| _stink_ | snap-l: i had mixed success, oh, 1.5 years ago | 19:30 |
| snap-l | so is essentially useless. | 19:30 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: also, why aren't you in #bookie? :) | 19:31 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: doh, had irrsi reset | 19:32 |
| rick_h_ | :) | 19:32 |
| rick_h_ | stupid server | 19:32 |
| rick_h_ | there, added to server | 19:33 |
| gamerchick02 | listening to more lococast. | 20:33 |
| gamerchick02 | i'd like to go to PenguiCon. | 20:33 |
| * brousch shivers uncomfortably. | 20:34 | |
| gamerchick02 | you cold, brousch? | 20:34 |
| brousch | scared | 20:37 |
| gamerchick02 | bout what? | 20:38 |
| gamerchick02 | Penguicon? | 20:38 |
| waldo323 | there should be some pretty cool stuff at penguicon this year | 20:50 |
| gamerchick02 | if i have the money and it's not too close to Supreme, i might go | 20:51 |
| waldo323 | when is Supreme | 20:52 |
| _stink_ | it's when the pizza comes with pepperoni, sausage, mushrooms, and green peppers | 20:55 |
| greg-g | mmmmm, pizza | 20:56 |
| _stink_ | yes | 20:56 |
| _stink_ | damnit | 20:56 |
| _stink_ | now i want some | 20:56 |
| waldo323 | i had pizza for pi day | 20:56 |
| waldo323 | it was a good way to celebrate | 20:57 |
| gamerchick02 | second week of june | 20:57 |
| snap-l | Penguicon is the end of April | 20:58 |
| gamerchick02 | hrm | 20:58 |
| snap-l | last weekend of April even | 20:58 |
| gamerchick02 | might be able to do it. not sure though. gotta look at my calendar | 20:58 |
| waldo323 | april 29 - may 1, if memory serves | 20:59 |
| gamerchick02 | thanks | 21:07 |
| rick_h_ | what's "supreme"? | 21:07 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.hilltopyodeler.com/blog/?p=435 pure awesome | 21:10 |
| gamerchick02 | rick_h_ Supreme Session for Daughters of the Nile | 21:23 |
| gamerchick02 | it's in Tampa this year | 21:23 |
| rick_h_ | ah, gotcha | 21:24 |
| snap-l | http://www.metalinjection.net/av/worst-video-year | 21:29 |
| snap-l | Wow, where to begin | 21:30 |
| gamerchick02 | lol, worst video of the year. | 21:30 |
| gamerchick02 | has anyone used freemind? what do you think? | 21:31 |
| snap-l | I have... it's OK, not great | 21:31 |
| snap-l | suffers from being Java | 21:31 |
| gamerchick02 | ok | 21:32 |
| gamerchick02 | what about vym or semantik? | 21:32 |
| snap-l | Freemind was the best one that I used, I'm afraid | 21:36 |
| snap-l | but that was a while ago | 21:36 |
| gamerchick02 | ok. i'm thinking of a different way to organize my NaNo novel this year. | 21:39 |
| gamerchick02 | i seem to get stuck, so maybe a different tool will help me? | 21:39 |
| gamerchick02 | i dunno | 21:39 |
| snap-l | Well, what are you looking to accomplish? | 21:40 |
| snap-l | Scriviner has a Linux version, btw | 21:40 |
| gamerchick02 | trying to organize my story notes in an easy way to move them around. | 21:41 |
| gamerchick02 | and yeah, i know an outline is easy, but i'd like to try something different | 21:41 |
| snap-l | http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php | 21:42 |
| snap-l | http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150&sid=9b38eb10eee7435b47ab3e5ca8022c85 | 21:42 |
| gamerchick02 | danke. | 21:43 |
| snap-l | http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9154&start=210 | 21:44 |
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