[02:31] <snap-l> I just sent a note to the program director of WDETHD2 to see if they'd be interested in Open Metalcast
[02:31] <snap-l> We'll see what happens.
[02:31]  * rick_h_ crosses fingers for you
[02:31] <greg-g> ditto
[02:32] <snap-l> Thanks. :)
[02:32] <snap-l> btw: folks, if you'r subscribed to the lococast user on identica, please subscribe to the group instead
[02:32] <snap-l> the user hasn't been updated in a dog's age.
[02:33] <snap-l> Changed the lococast page to point to the group instead
[02:34] <snap-l> tx, greg-g :)
[02:35] <greg-g> ;)
[02:44] <snap-l> I love it when someone says that they don't quite get identi.ca or microblogging
[02:44] <snap-l> three things they've subscribed to: joindiaspora, doctorow, and one other person
[02:44] <snap-l> of course you're not going to get it. :)
[02:52] <rick_h_> http://www.arpitonline.com/blog/2011/03/14/thoughts-on-an-open-twitter-replacement-concentrate-on-whats-done-poorly/
[02:55] <snap-l> #3 is partially done with Status.net
[02:55] <snap-l> user discovery is still a blackart with federated sites
[02:55] <snap-l> much like discovering e-mail
[02:56] <snap-l> and routing all messages to your inbox: it's your funeral. :)
[11:44] <wolfger> Morning.
[12:11] <brousch> correct
[12:15] <tjagoda> AFTERNOON
[12:17] <brousch> incorrect
[12:24] <wolfger> premature
[12:24] <wolfger> or, possibly, geographically removed.
[12:24] <wolfger> I mean, it *is* afternoon somewhere...
[12:27] <greg-g> g'morn
[12:28] <wolfger> depending on what the g stands for
[13:09] <wolfger> Oh boy... RMS is at it again.
[13:09] <binbrain> dude, I just going to say that, LOL, RMS ranting about cell phones
[13:13] <brousch> omg did you see the latest rms rant?
[13:14] <greg-g> link?
[13:14] <brousch> it's all over the webz!
[13:15] <brousch> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/031411-richard-stallman.html?hpg1=bn
[13:15] <tjagoda> I never knew about task
[13:15] <tjagoda> the console based to-do manager
[13:16] <snap-l> tjagoda: I tried task. It's a little limited for my tastes
[13:17] <tjagoda> http://taskwarrior.org/projects/show/taskwarrior/
[13:17] <tjagoda> It appears to be under active dev
[13:17] <binbrain> haha, the interview of RMS was done on cell phone, but he had to borrow 1
[13:17] <binbrain> I hope he didn't stay on long enough for big brother to track him down
[13:18] <snap-l> He makes some valid points, though
[13:19] <snap-l> You can't really develop for your phone without getting a special developer phone
[13:19] <snap-l> and if you want to hack on Google's tools, you can't.
[13:20] <snap-l> Stallman does his computing on a Lemote Yeeloong laptop running gNewSense, a GNU/Linux distribution composed only of free software.
[13:20] <snap-l> "There are some things I can't do. I'm using a rather slow computer because it's the only laptop with a free BIOS," Stallman says. gNewSense is the only totally free distribution that will run on the Lemote, which has a MIPS-like processor, he says. The Lemote had come with another GNU/Linux distribution that included non-free software, and Stallman replaced it with gNewSense.
[13:21] <snap-l> Before agreeing to an interview with Network World, Stallman demanded that this article use his preferred terminology -- e.g. "free software" instead of "open source" and "GNU/Linux" instead of just "Linux." He also requested that the interview be recorded and that, if the recording were distributed online, that it be done so in a format that works with free software.
[13:21] <snap-l> Gotta love RMS.
[13:22] <snap-l> I love how he's uncompromising
[13:22] <snap-l> but I wish his acolytes would choose their battles a little better.
[13:25] <snap-l> The network world intervew was very good
[13:25] <snap-l> I'm surprised. ;)
[13:26] <brousch> i'm inspired. time to switch to bsd
[13:26] <snap-l> heh
[13:26] <brousch> wait, that's too free isn't it
[13:26] <snap-l> now now
[13:27] <wolfger> then go OpenBSD instead of FreeBSD :-)
[13:28] <wolfger> RMS is a good idea gone horribly awry.
[13:28] <wolfger> There's a difference between having principles (good!) and being uncompromising (bad!).
[13:29] <snap-l> Well, RMS is a good way to calibrate those principles
[13:29] <wolfger> If you refuse to compromise, so will everybody else, and you'll never get anywhere
[13:29] <snap-l> Not necessarily
[13:29] <snap-l> He's walking proof that it can be done
[13:30] <snap-l> I don't get on a Zen monk's case for their choice to rake sand
[13:30] <snap-l> but I know that I am not about to rake sand
[13:30] <snap-l> And I can admire the Zen monk's conviction to rake said sand
[13:31] <wolfger> The difference being, the zen monk doesn't go around saying everybody should rake sand.
[13:32] <wolfger> He wants to change the world, but if the world doesn't go 100% his way... 99% is treated as bad as 0% by him.
[13:32] <wolfger> So why even bother?
[13:32] <brousch> someone has to keep us pointed in the right direction
[13:33] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[13:33] <brousch> it is good he exists and stays true to his cause
[13:33] <wolfger> It would be better if he existed and wasn't so damned inflexible.
[13:33] <brousch> even though i make fun of him
[13:34] <brousch> there are plenty of other people that are inflexible
[13:34] <wolfger> Seriously, I believe he does the cause more harm than good every time he speaks
[13:34] <brousch> a few stalwarts are good
[13:34] <snap-l> wolfger: People glom on to the headline
[13:34] <brousch> wait, i mean plenty of other people who are flexible
[13:34] <snap-l> Slashdot reports that Stalman thinks cellphones are the tools of Stalin
[13:35] <wolfger> Yeah, that's where I picked it up from
[13:35] <brousch> it might be good if he were less dramatic
[13:35] <snap-l> And that makes the whole thing sound ridiculous
[13:35] <brousch> but then no one would pay attention
[13:35] <snap-l> but if you read what he said, it's more sane and carefully thought out
[13:36] <brousch> and if he'd shower and groom himself
[13:36] <wolfger> Oh, sure, a lot (if not all) of what he says is true.
[13:36] <snap-l> See, Stallman and Palin are cut from the same cloth
[13:36] <snap-l> except Stallman makes sense, and is less easy on the eyes
[13:36] <snap-l> Palin is just batshit insane
[13:36] <wolfger> LOL
[13:36] <snap-l> and Stallman frames his interviews according to what he wants to get across
[13:38] <snap-l> I agree, though, that the 1970s activism stunts that the FSF proposes are very tone-deaf and silly
[13:38] <brousch> i always feel guilty after reading a stallman piece
[13:38] <snap-l> tying up the genius bar to have a debate on free software is counterproductive
[13:39] <snap-l> but I'd have the same problem with PETA doing the chicken dance in front of a KFC that I would have of people in radiation suits doing the DRM dance in front of the Apple store.
[13:40] <wolfger> I have more problems with PETA than FSF.
[13:40] <snap-l> bah, I forgot to type "people from PETA in chicken suits doing the chicken dance..."
[13:40] <wolfger> I at least think FSF is aruging a sound position. :-p
[13:40] <snap-l> wolfger: Totally agree.
[13:41] <wolfger>  But they are about the same level of media-whoring laughing-stock.
[13:41] <wolfger> More about making waves than making a difference.
[13:42] <binbrain> remember that crap FSF pulled a few years ago, when they mailed "proprietary software is for the devil" pamphlets to all the fortune 500 companies, WTF
[13:42] <binbrain> thinking about it makes me laugh, what did they think they would really accomplish
[13:42] <snap-l> binbrain: I have a real problem with fundamentalism, both in the church, and in the FSF
[13:43] <wolfger> Yeah, that probably set Free Software adoption back about 20 years...
[13:43] <snap-l> Framing the conversation in terms of good vs evil is counterproductive
[13:43] <wolfger> "Oh, I'm sorry... Did you want us to take you seriously?"
[13:56] <greg-g> huh, taskwarrior has some nice mutt integration thanks to nixternal http://taskwarrior.org/wiki/taskwarrior/AddOns
[14:32] <jrwren> FSF is a church.
[14:33] <snap-l> And microsoft is a megachurch. :)
[14:33] <snap-l> With guns, and hookers
[14:33] <snap-l> and blackjack
[14:38] <wolfger> FSF is Westboro...
[14:38] <greg-g> zow
[14:38] <wolfger> (or does that invoke some variant of Godwin?)
[14:38] <greg-g> yes
[14:38] <greg-g> also, I disagree
[14:39] <wolfger> I know, a bit extreme...
[14:39] <greg-g> Westboro is more the anti-mono folks
[14:39] <wolfger> they aren't nearly as bad as Westboro
[14:39] <greg-g> FSF is probably just closer to a Amish church
[14:39] <greg-g> doing without for ethical reasons
[14:39] <wolfger> Hardly anybody is as bad as Westboro
[14:39]  * greg-g nods
[14:40] <wolfger> also, sign me up for the guns, hookers, and blackjack
[14:40] <wolfger> :-)
[14:42] <wolfger> greg-g: Isn't FSF also the anti-mono folks?
[14:42] <wolfger> There's definitely some overlap there.
[14:42] <greg-g> point
[14:43] <greg-g> but I think the most vocal/craziest about it are the boycottnovell people
[14:45] <wolfger> FSF is pro-Mono but anti-writing-anything-in-C#
[14:46] <wolfger> Kinda like being pro-Colt-Revolver, but anti-bullet.
[14:48] <snap-l> FSF is anti patents, and mono could be a patent trap
[14:48] <snap-l> as could Java
[14:48] <snap-l> as could any language when you get right down to it
[14:50] <jrwren> the top of planet-commandline.org is cool right now, but I prefer du -kx | sort -nr | head :)
[14:50] <jrwren> taliban is worse than westboro
[14:51] <jrwren> mono could be a patent trap??? wtf have you been reading?!?
[14:51] <jrwren> Linux is more a patent trap than mono. See the tomtom case.
[14:51] <snap-l> jrwren: That seems to be the biggest complaint that I've read about mono
[14:52] <snap-l> that and Microsoft can't be trusted
[14:52] <snap-l> which is stupid on both counts
[14:52] <snap-l> Both complaints can be leveled at Oracle and Java
[14:53] <jrwren> as long as you don't beleive it. its lies.
[14:53] <wolfger> jrwren: Point taken. I was not thinking globally.
[14:53] <snap-l> Well, I hope they don't make me a lier
[14:54] <wolfger> and as for patent trap... FSF is convinced C# is a patent trap, or could be. They treat it like a time bomb.
[14:54] <snap-l> Again, so is Java
[14:55] <snap-l> yet everyone loves Java, but hates C#
[14:55] <snap-l> Well, maybe not love
[14:55] <wolfger> yes, but they see C# as worse for some reason I don't care to understand.
[14:55] <snap-l> I don' tthink anyone Loves Java
[14:55] <wolfger> managers love Java
[14:55] <snap-l> More like tolerates
[14:55] <snap-l> wolfger: yeah, because Java is the current widget-cranker's language.
[14:56] <snap-l> You can get 100 widget crankers to write Java
[14:56] <snap-l> There's folk that can write awesome Java, and there's folks that write the shit that I've mostly seen
[14:56] <wolfger> Yes. And management would rather have disposable programmers than worry about having to retain talented programmers
[14:57] <snap-l> I think rick_h_'s rant about the day coders sums up the problems of Java very well
[14:57] <wolfger> at least, management here...
[14:57] <snap-l> Java seems like the language that you leave in the office
[14:58] <rick_h_> irc lighting up, what's up?
[14:58] <rick_h_> java developers? uh oh
[14:58] <snap-l> Well, it started off as FSF stuff
[14:58] <rick_h_> wheeee
[14:58] <rick_h_> good Tues
[14:58] <snap-l> RMS discussed cell phones
[14:59] <snap-l> Scrollback will make more sense. :)
[14:59] <rick_h_> tl;dr :P
[14:59] <snap-l> I just invoked the name of rick_h_ to make a pount about day coders and Java.
[15:00] <wolfger> Yeah. He said, "Don't be a day-coder like rick_h_"
[15:00] <wolfger> :-D
[15:00] <wolfger> Or something to that effect. I may have misunderstood.
[15:01] <rick_h_> yea, good rule of thumb
[15:01] <snap-l> wolfger: Come here, and let me hug your neck while I shake it vigerously.
[15:01] <rick_h_> do opposite of what rick_h_ does
[15:03] <wolfger> I'm so glad it's lunchtime. Otherwise my cow-orkers would be giving me really strange looks right now.
[15:04] <wolfger> As I literally laugh out loud every couple seconds when I re-read the "hug your neck" comment.
[15:05] <snap-l> ;)
[15:07] <wolfger> I'm surprised tjagoda isn't weighing in with his "trolololo"
[15:11] <jrwren> C# can't be a patent trap any more than perl, python or ruby can be.
[15:11] <jrwren> the fundamentals of a programming langauge are not patentable.
[15:11] <jrwren> Grammars have been well known and understood for 60+ yrs.
[15:12] <jrwren> I've never heard boycott novell or fsf say that C# is a patent threat.
[15:12] <jrwren> ... .net libraries and mono on the other hand... they have made idiotic claims about
[15:13] <tjagoda> trololololololllllll
[15:14] <brousch> when i've seen such claims they are usually regarding the windows forms or whatever the new windows gui crap is called
[15:14] <brousch> but then mono seems to stay away from those
[15:18] <snap-l> jrwren: I plead ignorance into what is the alleged patent traps in mono / .net
[15:19] <snap-l> mostly because I'm not as familiar with them as you.
[15:19] <snap-l> but I will agree that the claims are idiotic
[15:22] <wolfger> jrwren: http://www.fsf.org/news/2009-07-mscp-mono
[16:31] <wolfger> Buzz is oddly quiet today.
[16:32] <wolfger> Or possibly the "unread" count simply wasn't changing. There were several new items there when I clicked on it.
[16:59] <smoser> jcastro, did you get your thinkpad?
[17:04] <jrwren> brousch: mono doesn't stay away from windows forms, but if any of it were a patent issue, then Wine would be in HUGE trouble too, but we don't hear about FSF hating on Wine do we?
[17:04] <jrwren> hypocrits
[17:06] <jrwren> brousch: if you study that link you sent it doesn't add up.
[17:07] <jcastro> smoser: I did! Just waiting on new SSDs to come out!
[17:07] <jrwren> its also out of date, the community promise has been extended to the BCL, so specifically the serialization, xml and regex libs that the FSF cites.
[17:08] <jrwren> ugh, here I am defending a technology because i hate patents.
[17:08] <jrwren> NEVER let patents stop you from using the best tech.
[17:08] <jcastro> JUST ROLL WITH IT
[17:09] <snap-l> jrwren: I hate anything that stands in the way of progress
[17:09] <snap-l> and patents are standing in our way.
[17:10] <wolfger> snap-l++
[17:10] <wolfger> when you need a legal team in order to design software, something is wrong.
[17:10] <snap-l> http://mattendahl.blogspot.com/2011/03/all-about-emergency-managers-analysis.html
[17:12] <jrwren> right, but don't let that stop you from using the best technology.
[17:12] <jrwren> same thing with (c)
[17:13]  * wolfger patents the concept of using the best technology for the job.
[17:14] <jrwren> lol
[17:14] <wolfger> of course, that doesn't leave me very many companies to sue.
[17:14] <jrwren> i take it back
[17:14] <jrwren> its a sad world we live in.
[17:16] <wolfger> What really makes it sad is that people who don't have a clue are given the task of handing out software patents and/or ruling on the lawsuits regarding same.
[17:17] <wolfger> then some people actually believe patents protect inventors and encourage innovation
[17:39] <tjagoda> I would like to patent Wolfger's opinion
[17:39] <tjagoda> So that he must pay me royalty every time he speaks
[17:39] <wolfger> Noooooooo
[17:39] <tjagoda> I invented Wolfger's opinion
[17:40] <wolfger> actually, my opinion is not patentable. You'd have to patent a process by which you have an opinion.
[17:40] <wolfger> Then you could collect from anybody who has one. :-p
[17:41]  * brousch signs up for a psychology degree so he can rule the world
[17:41] <wolfger> I would in return claim that I have no opinions, only facts. :-D
[17:42] <brousch> i will patent usage of the part of your brain that is used for forming an opinion
[19:10] <rick_h_> greg-g: some prettying in bookie: http://rick.bmark.us//recent
[19:10] <rick_h_> just some basics, but should apply cleanly if you pull/restart
[19:12] <_stink_> rick_h_: oo
[19:12] <rick_h_> going to start some import ui and after that try to start some basic api auth I think
[19:13] <_stink_> awesome.  i've got an instance at bookie.adamlincoln.org
[19:13] <_stink_> IP restricted, though
[19:13] <rick_h_> yea, good call
[19:13] <rick_h_> I've started some checks, if you flip the "edit" in the config off it won't display links for delete/etc
[19:14] <rick_h_> and once I get the auth/api key stuff going you'll set an API key and the chrome plugin will be coded to use that as a simple form of auth
[19:14] <Blazeix> nice, I like the css calendar icon.
[19:14] <rick_h_> so not changes via http, have to use API with key to make changes
[19:14] <rick_h_> yea, only looked at the stuff in chrome since I'm using that and my extension is chrome only
[19:14] <rick_h_> but it's a start
[19:15] <_stink_> rick_h_: i plan to give FF a go with it.
[19:16] <rick_h_> awesome!
[19:16] <_stink_> unless greg-g has already carved that out.
[19:16] <_stink_> rick_h_: that and a curses client :)
[19:16] <rick_h_> I think you can copy/paste a lot of code since it's basic JS
[19:16] <Blazeix> fyi, it looks really good in IE9 and FF
[19:16] <_stink_> rick_h_: but you may get to that first
[19:16] <rick_h_> cool, good to know
[19:16] <Blazeix> missing the red part of the calendar and some rounded corners, but nothing huge
[19:16] <rick_h_> I don't know, right now I have a lot of work on the server side and figure I should stick with that as long as possible
[19:17] <rick_h_> but we'll see, it's a long term thing for sure
[19:17] <_stink_> yep
[19:17] <_stink_> i am the king of 'long-term project' :)
[19:18] <_stink_> just commited to pydidit on Sunday - first commit since April 2010 :P
[19:18] <_stink_> and still like 7 branches waiting to get wrapped up
[19:18] <rick_h_> lol
[19:18] <rick_h_> we should start a club
[19:19] <_stink_> you did - it's CHC
[19:20] <rick_h_> yea, but that's in person, and those of us that have such lazy/long term projects can't bother meeting
[19:20] <_stink_> oh yeah. :_)
[19:23] <greg-g> rick_h_: neat-o!
[19:23] <greg-g> _stink_: I haven't started on that Fx plugin yet :(
[19:23] <_stink_> greg-g: well, neither have I, so we both :(
[19:23] <greg-g> :( in groups is more fun that :( alone
[19:24] <_stink_> oh for sure
[19:24] <_stink_> everybody :( !
[19:26] <greg-g> :)
[19:30] <snap-l> Is it just me, or is ekiga garbage?
[19:30] <greg-g> haven't used it
[19:30] <snap-l> Well, it can't register my account
[19:30] <_stink_> snap-l: i had mixed success, oh, 1.5 years ago
[19:30] <snap-l> so is essentially useless.
[19:31] <greg-g> rick_h_: also, why aren't you in #bookie? :)
[19:32] <rick_h_> greg-g: doh, had irrsi reset
[19:32] <rick_h_> :)
[19:32] <rick_h_> stupid server
[19:33] <rick_h_> there, added to server
[20:33] <gamerchick02> listening to more lococast.
[20:33] <gamerchick02> i'd like to go to PenguiCon.
[20:34]  * brousch shivers uncomfortably.
[20:34] <gamerchick02> you cold, brousch?
[20:37] <brousch> scared
[20:38] <gamerchick02> bout what?
[20:38] <gamerchick02> Penguicon?
[20:50] <waldo323> there should be some pretty cool stuff at penguicon this year
[20:51] <gamerchick02> if i have the money and it's not too close to Supreme, i might go
[20:52] <waldo323> when is Supreme
[20:55] <_stink_> it's when the pizza comes with pepperoni, sausage, mushrooms, and green peppers
[20:56] <greg-g> mmmmm, pizza
[20:56] <_stink_> yes
[20:56] <_stink_> damnit
[20:56] <_stink_> now i want some
[20:56] <waldo323> i had pizza for pi day
[20:57] <waldo323> it was a good way to celebrate
[20:57] <gamerchick02> second week of june
[20:58] <snap-l> Penguicon is the end of April
[20:58] <gamerchick02> hrm
[20:58] <snap-l> last weekend of April even
[20:58] <gamerchick02> might be able to do it. not sure though. gotta look at my calendar
[20:59] <waldo323> april 29 - may 1, if memory serves
[21:07] <gamerchick02> thanks
[21:07] <rick_h_> what's "supreme"?
[21:10] <rick_h_> http://www.hilltopyodeler.com/blog/?p=435 pure awesome
[21:23] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ Supreme Session for Daughters of the Nile
[21:23] <gamerchick02> it's in Tampa this year
[21:24] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha
[21:29] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/av/worst-video-year
[21:30] <snap-l> Wow, where to begin
[21:30] <gamerchick02> lol, worst video of the year.
[21:31] <gamerchick02> has anyone used freemind?  what do you think?
[21:31] <snap-l> I have... it's OK, not great
[21:31] <snap-l> suffers from being Java
[21:32] <gamerchick02> ok
[21:32] <gamerchick02> what about vym or semantik?
[21:36] <snap-l> Freemind was the best one that I used, I'm afraid
[21:36] <snap-l> but that was a while ago
[21:39] <gamerchick02> ok. i'm thinking of a different way to organize my NaNo novel this year.
[21:39] <gamerchick02> i seem to get stuck, so maybe a different tool will help me?
[21:39] <gamerchick02> i dunno
[21:40] <snap-l> Well, what are you looking to accomplish?
[21:40] <snap-l> Scriviner has a Linux version, btw
[21:41] <gamerchick02> trying to organize my story notes in an easy way to move them around.
[21:41] <gamerchick02> and yeah, i know an outline is easy, but i'd like to try something different
[21:42] <snap-l> http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php
[21:42] <snap-l> http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150&sid=9b38eb10eee7435b47ab3e5ca8022c85
[21:43] <gamerchick02> danke.
[21:44] <snap-l> http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9154&start=210