[02:31] I just sent a note to the program director of WDETHD2 to see if they'd be interested in Open Metalcast [02:31] We'll see what happens. [02:31] * rick_h_ crosses fingers for you [02:31] ditto [02:32] Thanks. :) [02:32] btw: folks, if you'r subscribed to the lococast user on identica, please subscribe to the group instead [02:32] the user hasn't been updated in a dog's age. [02:33] Changed the lococast page to point to the group instead [02:34] tx, greg-g :) [02:35] ;) [02:44] I love it when someone says that they don't quite get identi.ca or microblogging [02:44] three things they've subscribed to: joindiaspora, doctorow, and one other person [02:44] of course you're not going to get it. :) [02:52] http://www.arpitonline.com/blog/2011/03/14/thoughts-on-an-open-twitter-replacement-concentrate-on-whats-done-poorly/ [02:55] #3 is partially done with Status.net [02:55] user discovery is still a blackart with federated sites [02:55] much like discovering e-mail [02:56] and routing all messages to your inbox: it's your funeral. :) [11:44] Morning. [12:11] correct [12:15] AFTERNOON [12:17] incorrect [12:24] premature [12:24] or, possibly, geographically removed. [12:24] I mean, it *is* afternoon somewhere... [12:27] g'morn [12:28] depending on what the g stands for [13:09] Oh boy... RMS is at it again. [13:09] dude, I just going to say that, LOL, RMS ranting about cell phones [13:13] omg did you see the latest rms rant? [13:14] link? [13:14] it's all over the webz! [13:15] http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/031411-richard-stallman.html?hpg1=bn [13:15] I never knew about task [13:15] the console based to-do manager [13:16] tjagoda: I tried task. It's a little limited for my tastes [13:17] http://taskwarrior.org/projects/show/taskwarrior/ [13:17] It appears to be under active dev [13:17] haha, the interview of RMS was done on cell phone, but he had to borrow 1 [13:17] I hope he didn't stay on long enough for big brother to track him down [13:18] He makes some valid points, though [13:19] You can't really develop for your phone without getting a special developer phone [13:19] and if you want to hack on Google's tools, you can't. [13:20] Stallman does his computing on a Lemote Yeeloong laptop running gNewSense, a GNU/Linux distribution composed only of free software. [13:20] "There are some things I can't do. I'm using a rather slow computer because it's the only laptop with a free BIOS," Stallman says. gNewSense is the only totally free distribution that will run on the Lemote, which has a MIPS-like processor, he says. The Lemote had come with another GNU/Linux distribution that included non-free software, and Stallman replaced it with gNewSense. [13:21] Before agreeing to an interview with Network World, Stallman demanded that this article use his preferred terminology -- e.g. "free software" instead of "open source" and "GNU/Linux" instead of just "Linux." He also requested that the interview be recorded and that, if the recording were distributed online, that it be done so in a format that works with free software. [13:21] Gotta love RMS. [13:22] I love how he's uncompromising [13:22] but I wish his acolytes would choose their battles a little better. [13:25] The network world intervew was very good [13:25] I'm surprised. ;) [13:26] i'm inspired. time to switch to bsd [13:26] heh [13:26] wait, that's too free isn't it [13:26] now now [13:27] then go OpenBSD instead of FreeBSD :-) [13:28] RMS is a good idea gone horribly awry. [13:28] There's a difference between having principles (good!) and being uncompromising (bad!). [13:29] Well, RMS is a good way to calibrate those principles [13:29] If you refuse to compromise, so will everybody else, and you'll never get anywhere [13:29] Not necessarily [13:29] He's walking proof that it can be done [13:30] I don't get on a Zen monk's case for their choice to rake sand [13:30] but I know that I am not about to rake sand [13:30] And I can admire the Zen monk's conviction to rake said sand [13:31] The difference being, the zen monk doesn't go around saying everybody should rake sand. [13:32] He wants to change the world, but if the world doesn't go 100% his way... 99% is treated as bad as 0% by him. [13:32] So why even bother? [13:32] someone has to keep us pointed in the right direction [13:33] brousch: ++ [13:33] it is good he exists and stays true to his cause [13:33] It would be better if he existed and wasn't so damned inflexible. [13:33] even though i make fun of him [13:34] there are plenty of other people that are inflexible [13:34] Seriously, I believe he does the cause more harm than good every time he speaks [13:34] a few stalwarts are good [13:34] wolfger: People glom on to the headline [13:34] wait, i mean plenty of other people who are flexible [13:34] Slashdot reports that Stalman thinks cellphones are the tools of Stalin [13:35] Yeah, that's where I picked it up from [13:35] it might be good if he were less dramatic [13:35] And that makes the whole thing sound ridiculous [13:35] but then no one would pay attention [13:35] but if you read what he said, it's more sane and carefully thought out [13:36] and if he'd shower and groom himself [13:36] Oh, sure, a lot (if not all) of what he says is true. [13:36] See, Stallman and Palin are cut from the same cloth [13:36] except Stallman makes sense, and is less easy on the eyes [13:36] Palin is just batshit insane [13:36] LOL [13:36] and Stallman frames his interviews according to what he wants to get across [13:38] I agree, though, that the 1970s activism stunts that the FSF proposes are very tone-deaf and silly [13:38] i always feel guilty after reading a stallman piece [13:38] tying up the genius bar to have a debate on free software is counterproductive [13:39] but I'd have the same problem with PETA doing the chicken dance in front of a KFC that I would have of people in radiation suits doing the DRM dance in front of the Apple store. [13:40] I have more problems with PETA than FSF. [13:40] bah, I forgot to type "people from PETA in chicken suits doing the chicken dance..." [13:40] I at least think FSF is aruging a sound position. :-p [13:40] wolfger: Totally agree. [13:41] But they are about the same level of media-whoring laughing-stock. [13:41] More about making waves than making a difference. [13:42] remember that crap FSF pulled a few years ago, when they mailed "proprietary software is for the devil" pamphlets to all the fortune 500 companies, WTF [13:42] thinking about it makes me laugh, what did they think they would really accomplish [13:42] binbrain: I have a real problem with fundamentalism, both in the church, and in the FSF [13:43] Yeah, that probably set Free Software adoption back about 20 years... [13:43] Framing the conversation in terms of good vs evil is counterproductive [13:43] "Oh, I'm sorry... Did you want us to take you seriously?" [13:56] huh, taskwarrior has some nice mutt integration thanks to nixternal http://taskwarrior.org/wiki/taskwarrior/AddOns [14:32] FSF is a church. [14:33] And microsoft is a megachurch. :) [14:33] With guns, and hookers [14:33] and blackjack [14:38] FSF is Westboro... [14:38] zow [14:38] (or does that invoke some variant of Godwin?) [14:38] yes [14:38] also, I disagree [14:39] I know, a bit extreme... [14:39] Westboro is more the anti-mono folks [14:39] they aren't nearly as bad as Westboro [14:39] FSF is probably just closer to a Amish church [14:39] doing without for ethical reasons [14:39] Hardly anybody is as bad as Westboro [14:39] * greg-g nods [14:40] also, sign me up for the guns, hookers, and blackjack [14:40] :-) [14:42] greg-g: Isn't FSF also the anti-mono folks? [14:42] There's definitely some overlap there. [14:42] point [14:43] but I think the most vocal/craziest about it are the boycottnovell people [14:45] FSF is pro-Mono but anti-writing-anything-in-C# [14:46] Kinda like being pro-Colt-Revolver, but anti-bullet. [14:48] FSF is anti patents, and mono could be a patent trap [14:48] as could Java [14:48] as could any language when you get right down to it [14:50] the top of planet-commandline.org is cool right now, but I prefer du -kx | sort -nr | head :) [14:50] taliban is worse than westboro [14:51] mono could be a patent trap??? wtf have you been reading?!? [14:51] Linux is more a patent trap than mono. See the tomtom case. [14:51] jrwren: That seems to be the biggest complaint that I've read about mono [14:52] that and Microsoft can't be trusted [14:52] which is stupid on both counts [14:52] Both complaints can be leveled at Oracle and Java [14:53] as long as you don't beleive it. its lies. [14:53] jrwren: Point taken. I was not thinking globally. [14:53] Well, I hope they don't make me a lier [14:54] and as for patent trap... FSF is convinced C# is a patent trap, or could be. They treat it like a time bomb. [14:54] Again, so is Java [14:55] yet everyone loves Java, but hates C# [14:55] Well, maybe not love [14:55] yes, but they see C# as worse for some reason I don't care to understand. [14:55] I don' tthink anyone Loves Java [14:55] managers love Java [14:55] More like tolerates [14:55] wolfger: yeah, because Java is the current widget-cranker's language. [14:56] You can get 100 widget crankers to write Java [14:56] There's folk that can write awesome Java, and there's folks that write the shit that I've mostly seen [14:56] Yes. And management would rather have disposable programmers than worry about having to retain talented programmers [14:57] I think rick_h_'s rant about the day coders sums up the problems of Java very well [14:57] at least, management here... [14:57] Java seems like the language that you leave in the office [14:58] irc lighting up, what's up? [14:58] java developers? uh oh [14:58] Well, it started off as FSF stuff [14:58] wheeee [14:58] good Tues [14:58] RMS discussed cell phones [14:59] Scrollback will make more sense. :) [14:59] tl;dr :P [14:59] I just invoked the name of rick_h_ to make a pount about day coders and Java. [15:00] Yeah. He said, "Don't be a day-coder like rick_h_" [15:00] :-D [15:00] Or something to that effect. I may have misunderstood. [15:01] yea, good rule of thumb [15:01] wolfger: Come here, and let me hug your neck while I shake it vigerously. [15:01] do opposite of what rick_h_ does [15:03] I'm so glad it's lunchtime. Otherwise my cow-orkers would be giving me really strange looks right now. [15:04] As I literally laugh out loud every couple seconds when I re-read the "hug your neck" comment. [15:05] ;) [15:07] I'm surprised tjagoda isn't weighing in with his "trolololo" [15:11] C# can't be a patent trap any more than perl, python or ruby can be. [15:11] the fundamentals of a programming langauge are not patentable. [15:11] Grammars have been well known and understood for 60+ yrs. [15:12] I've never heard boycott novell or fsf say that C# is a patent threat. [15:12] ... .net libraries and mono on the other hand... they have made idiotic claims about [15:13] trololololololllllll [15:14] when i've seen such claims they are usually regarding the windows forms or whatever the new windows gui crap is called [15:14] but then mono seems to stay away from those [15:18] jrwren: I plead ignorance into what is the alleged patent traps in mono / .net [15:19] mostly because I'm not as familiar with them as you. [15:19] but I will agree that the claims are idiotic [15:22] jrwren: http://www.fsf.org/news/2009-07-mscp-mono [16:31] Buzz is oddly quiet today. [16:32] Or possibly the "unread" count simply wasn't changing. There were several new items there when I clicked on it. [16:59] jcastro, did you get your thinkpad? [17:04] brousch: mono doesn't stay away from windows forms, but if any of it were a patent issue, then Wine would be in HUGE trouble too, but we don't hear about FSF hating on Wine do we? [17:04] hypocrits [17:06] brousch: if you study that link you sent it doesn't add up. [17:07] smoser: I did! Just waiting on new SSDs to come out! [17:07] its also out of date, the community promise has been extended to the BCL, so specifically the serialization, xml and regex libs that the FSF cites. [17:08] ugh, here I am defending a technology because i hate patents. [17:08] NEVER let patents stop you from using the best tech. [17:08] JUST ROLL WITH IT [17:09] jrwren: I hate anything that stands in the way of progress [17:09] and patents are standing in our way. [17:10] snap-l++ [17:10] when you need a legal team in order to design software, something is wrong. [17:10] http://mattendahl.blogspot.com/2011/03/all-about-emergency-managers-analysis.html [17:12] right, but don't let that stop you from using the best technology. [17:12] same thing with (c) [17:13] * wolfger patents the concept of using the best technology for the job. [17:14] lol [17:14] of course, that doesn't leave me very many companies to sue. [17:14] i take it back [17:14] its a sad world we live in. [17:16] What really makes it sad is that people who don't have a clue are given the task of handing out software patents and/or ruling on the lawsuits regarding same. [17:17] then some people actually believe patents protect inventors and encourage innovation [17:39] I would like to patent Wolfger's opinion [17:39] So that he must pay me royalty every time he speaks [17:39] Noooooooo [17:39] I invented Wolfger's opinion [17:40] actually, my opinion is not patentable. You'd have to patent a process by which you have an opinion. [17:40] Then you could collect from anybody who has one. :-p [17:41] * brousch signs up for a psychology degree so he can rule the world [17:41] I would in return claim that I have no opinions, only facts. :-D [17:42] i will patent usage of the part of your brain that is used for forming an opinion [19:10] greg-g: some prettying in bookie: http://rick.bmark.us//recent [19:10] just some basics, but should apply cleanly if you pull/restart [19:12] <_stink_> rick_h_: oo [19:12] going to start some import ui and after that try to start some basic api auth I think [19:13] <_stink_> awesome. i've got an instance at bookie.adamlincoln.org [19:13] <_stink_> IP restricted, though [19:13] yea, good call [19:13] I've started some checks, if you flip the "edit" in the config off it won't display links for delete/etc [19:14] and once I get the auth/api key stuff going you'll set an API key and the chrome plugin will be coded to use that as a simple form of auth [19:14] nice, I like the css calendar icon. [19:14] so not changes via http, have to use API with key to make changes [19:14] yea, only looked at the stuff in chrome since I'm using that and my extension is chrome only [19:14] but it's a start [19:15] <_stink_> rick_h_: i plan to give FF a go with it. [19:16] awesome! [19:16] <_stink_> unless greg-g has already carved that out. [19:16] <_stink_> rick_h_: that and a curses client :) [19:16] I think you can copy/paste a lot of code since it's basic JS [19:16] fyi, it looks really good in IE9 and FF [19:16] <_stink_> rick_h_: but you may get to that first [19:16] cool, good to know [19:16] missing the red part of the calendar and some rounded corners, but nothing huge [19:16] I don't know, right now I have a lot of work on the server side and figure I should stick with that as long as possible [19:17] but we'll see, it's a long term thing for sure [19:17] <_stink_> yep [19:17] <_stink_> i am the king of 'long-term project' :) [19:18] <_stink_> just commited to pydidit on Sunday - first commit since April 2010 :P [19:18] <_stink_> and still like 7 branches waiting to get wrapped up [19:18] lol [19:18] we should start a club [19:19] <_stink_> you did - it's CHC [19:20] yea, but that's in person, and those of us that have such lazy/long term projects can't bother meeting [19:20] <_stink_> oh yeah. :_) [19:23] rick_h_: neat-o! [19:23] _stink_: I haven't started on that Fx plugin yet :( [19:23] <_stink_> greg-g: well, neither have I, so we both :( [19:23] :( in groups is more fun that :( alone [19:24] <_stink_> oh for sure [19:24] <_stink_> everybody :( ! [19:26] :) [19:30] Is it just me, or is ekiga garbage? [19:30] haven't used it [19:30] Well, it can't register my account [19:30] <_stink_> snap-l: i had mixed success, oh, 1.5 years ago [19:30] so is essentially useless. [19:31] rick_h_: also, why aren't you in #bookie? :) [19:32] greg-g: doh, had irrsi reset [19:32] :) [19:32] stupid server [19:33] there, added to server [20:33] listening to more lococast. [20:33] i'd like to go to PenguiCon. [20:34] * brousch shivers uncomfortably. [20:34] you cold, brousch? [20:37] scared [20:38] bout what? [20:38] Penguicon? [20:50] there should be some pretty cool stuff at penguicon this year [20:51] if i have the money and it's not too close to Supreme, i might go [20:52] when is Supreme [20:55] <_stink_> it's when the pizza comes with pepperoni, sausage, mushrooms, and green peppers [20:56] mmmmm, pizza [20:56] <_stink_> yes [20:56] <_stink_> damnit [20:56] <_stink_> now i want some [20:56] i had pizza for pi day [20:57] it was a good way to celebrate [20:57] second week of june [20:58] Penguicon is the end of April [20:58] hrm [20:58] last weekend of April even [20:58] might be able to do it. not sure though. gotta look at my calendar [20:59] april 29 - may 1, if memory serves [21:07] thanks [21:07] what's "supreme"? [21:10] http://www.hilltopyodeler.com/blog/?p=435 pure awesome [21:23] rick_h_ Supreme Session for Daughters of the Nile [21:23] it's in Tampa this year [21:24] ah, gotcha [21:29] http://www.metalinjection.net/av/worst-video-year [21:30] Wow, where to begin [21:30] lol, worst video of the year. [21:31] has anyone used freemind? what do you think? [21:31] I have... it's OK, not great [21:31] suffers from being Java [21:32] ok [21:32] what about vym or semantik? [21:36] Freemind was the best one that I used, I'm afraid [21:36] but that was a while ago [21:39] ok. i'm thinking of a different way to organize my NaNo novel this year. [21:39] i seem to get stuck, so maybe a different tool will help me? [21:39] i dunno [21:40] Well, what are you looking to accomplish? [21:40] Scriviner has a Linux version, btw [21:41] trying to organize my story notes in an easy way to move them around. [21:41] and yeah, i know an outline is easy, but i'd like to try something different [21:42] http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php [21:42] http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150&sid=9b38eb10eee7435b47ab3e5ca8022c85 [21:43] danke. [21:44] http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9154&start=210