[02:32] <vKompff> has anyone gotten ffado to work with a presonus firebox?
[05:37] <Curly_Q> Greetings folks.
[05:37] <Curly_Q> I just happened upon the Ubuntu Studio ISO.
[05:37] <Curly_Q> Before I install it any comments on it?
[05:38] <holstein> Curly_Q: sure
[05:38] <holstein> what are you planning on doing?
[05:38] <holstein> do you have ubuntu installed now?
[05:38] <Curly_Q> Lots of stuff.
[05:38] <holstein> just plain ubuntu?
[05:38] <Curly_Q> I am always looking for new stuff for my Recording Studio.
[05:39] <Curly_Q> I use Kubuntu Server here. Do I need to reinstall the studio ISO?
[05:39] <holstein> Curly_Q: what do you mean?
[05:39] <holstein> kubuntu server?
[05:39] <Curly_Q> I have a Server Kubuntu.
[05:39] <holstein> you mean ubuntu server?
[05:39] <Curly_Q> Yes.
[05:40] <holstein> the k in kubuntu implies KDE
[05:40] <holstein> and the server installs are usually without a desktop
[05:40] <Curly_Q> Whatever Distro you want to call it. It is still Linux.
[05:40] <holstein> is that the case?
[05:40] <holstein> you have a server installation?
[05:40] <holstein> without X ?
[05:40] <Curly_Q> Well, the question is:  Is there an apt-get for Ubuntustudio?
[05:41] <Curly_Q> I have X installed. I use VNC tunneling for that.
[05:41] <holstein> Curly_Q: OK
[05:41] <holstein> so, you have an ubuntu installation
[05:41] <Curly_Q> Yes.
[05:41] <holstein> you started with a server installation disc?
[05:41] <holstein> and added KDE?
[05:42] <Curly_Q> Well, I have a lot  of computers here, I was just considering what would be the best way to install ubutustudio.
[05:42] <holstein> OK
[05:42] <holstein> if you open up synaptic
[05:42] <holstein> or whatever package manager
[05:42] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[05:42] <holstein> you'll see the metapackage
[05:42] <holstein> BUT
[05:43] <holstein> you dont even need them
[05:43] <holstein> you can just install what you want
[05:43] <holstein> jack and ardour
[05:43] <holstein> i usually do
[05:43] <Curly_Q> Installation should be no problem for me. I was wondering what features this ISO has that would make me want to brag about it.
[05:43] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[05:43] <holstein> Curly_Q: usually, if you already have ubuntu installed
[05:43] <holstein> its more trouble than its worth
[05:44] <holstein> theres no live CD for ubuntustudio
[05:44] <holstein> its hard to do a USB install
[05:44] <Curly_Q> I was thinking in terms of setting up a laptop with ubuntustudio. A whole different installation.
[05:44] <holstein> right
[05:44] <holstein> on the laptop
[05:44] <holstein> your not going to get the network manager
[05:44] <holstein> out of the box
[05:44] <holstein> with ubuntustudio
[05:44] <holstein> SO, that'll be the first 'gotcha'
[05:45] <holstein> no wireless
[05:45] <Curly_Q> I can format a USB 64 gig memory stick for that. That is what I was thinking.
[05:45] <holstein> totally do-able
[05:45] <holstein> its just...
[05:45] <holstein> you can get the ubuntu vanilla live cd
[05:45] <holstein> install it
[05:45] <holstein> and start trying out software
[05:45] <holstein> JACK and ardour
[05:45] <holstein> qtractor
[05:45] <Curly_Q> Is there an ISO for the vanilla?
[05:45] <holstein> yeah
[05:45] <holstein> just the normal live CD
[05:46] <Curly_Q> Will this stuff work with Audio Kontrol hardware?
[05:46] <holstein> Curly_Q: link it up
[05:46] <holstein> i have no idea what that is
[05:46] <Curly_Q> What do you mean?
[05:46] <holstein> audio kontrol hardware
[05:47] <holstein> Curly_Q: USB or firewire?
[05:47] <Curly_Q> Audio Kontrol is a hardware box that works with Windows Native Instruments software like Guitar Rig.
[05:47] <Curly_Q> Audio Kontrol 1 is a USB device.
[05:48] <holstein> i dont see in on the list
[05:48] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[05:48] <Curly_Q> It has multiple guitar amps like Marshal and Fender amps.
[05:48] <holstein> amp sims?
[05:48] <Curly_Q> It does also have the ALSA drivers too. But for Windows.
[05:49] <holstein> anyways, i would get a live CD
[05:49] <holstein> unless you want to plug it into whatever computer you already have ubuntu installed on
[05:49] <holstein> and run a few commands
[05:49] <holstein> in a terminal
[05:49] <holstein> you want to run
[05:49] <Curly_Q> I do know that there dome enthusiasts who do work with Linux and Native instruments.
[05:49] <holstein> lsusb
[05:49] <holstein> after pluging the device in
[05:49] <holstein> IF you see it there
[05:49] <holstein> you want to run
[05:49] <holstein> aplay -l
[05:50] <holstein> and
[05:50] <holstein> arecord -l
[05:50] <holstein> IF you see the device there ^^
[05:50] <holstein> it should be useable by JACK
[05:50] <holstein> without any more hassle
[05:50] <holstein> if not, then you'll just have to start googling around
[05:50] <Curly_Q> Does this software or ISO kernel or whatever you want to call it act as a guitar fuzz box or distortion amp and things like that with echo and flanging?
[05:50] <holstein> and asking on formus
[05:51] <holstein> Curly_Q: there are programs
[05:51] <holstein> that do effects processing
[05:51] <Curly_Q> That is what I am interested in the add ons.
[05:51] <holstein> rakarrack is the one i really like
[05:51] <holstein> Curly_Q: JACK is what you'll want to learn
[05:51] <holstein> there is a different workflow to linux audio
[05:51] <Curly_Q> Is there a web link that has all of this stuff available?
[05:52] <holstein> Curly_Q: theres not one over all web link
[05:52] <Curly_Q> I see.
[05:52] <holstein> http://jackaudio.org/
[05:52] <Curly_Q> I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.
[05:52] <holstein> Curly_Q: check out #opensourcemusicians
[05:52] <holstein> theres a podshow
[05:52] <holstein> and all kinds of different users
[05:53] <holstein> making all different kinds of music with these tools
[05:53] <Curly_Q> I bookmarked those links. Thanks.
[05:53] <holstein> and others
[05:53] <holstein> Curly_Q: sure, anytime :)
[05:53] <Curly_Q> I play lead guitar.
[05:53] <holstein> cool
[05:53] <holstein> i play lead bass ;)
[05:53] <Curly_Q> I do lots of Hendrix and Jimi Page style.
[05:54] <holstein> nice
[05:54] <holstein> i play mostly jazz
[05:54] <Curly_Q> My maing preocupation is Computer Scientist.
[05:54] <Curly_Q> I love jazz.
[05:54] <Curly_Q> Nice choice.
[05:55] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnThpo0Atk#t=2m50s
[05:55] <Curly_Q> I play lots of Blues like Stevie Ray Vaughn.
[05:55] <Curly_Q> Is that your band?
[05:55] <holstein> well, i freelance
[05:55] <holstein> thats a piano player i play with often
[05:56] <holstein> i dont really do 'bands'
[05:56] <Curly_Q> Are you playing in that video?
[05:56] <Curly_Q> It is nice though.
[05:56] <holstein> Curly_Q: thats me on the basso :)
[05:56] <holstein> lead bass
[05:57] <Curly_Q> Hey that's nice. Good work.
[05:57] <holstein> thanks
[05:58] <Curly_Q> I do lots of flamenco guitar work as well as electronic rock and blues. I do lots of improv jazz.
[05:59] <holstein> right on
[06:00] <Curly_Q> Is that piece on youtube improv? It seems so.
[06:00] <holstein> well, i started it at my solo
[06:00] <holstein> and im improvising over the form
[06:01] <holstein> but the tune is the piano players tune
[06:01] <Curly_Q> I can see. Most jazz is though. I like it though.
[06:01] <holstein> he plays the melody after im finished soloing
[06:01] <Curly_Q> It is a lot of fun to get carried away playing.
[06:02] <Curly_Q> I have met lots of musicians that hate improve. They cannot play anything without sheet music. That to me is boring.
[06:02] <holstein> eh, i try and do both
[06:02] <holstein> im not a fast sight reader though really
[06:03] <Curly_Q> Improvisation is the only way to become creative.
[06:03] <holstein> i can respect those hard-core classical players though
[06:03] <Curly_Q> I can read music but I don't read it.
[06:03] <holstein> yo-yo-ma and the like
[06:03] <holstein> really good interpreters of the page
[06:03] <Curly_Q> Yo-yo-ma is an exception.
[06:03] <holstein> thats a whole other skill
[06:04] <holstein> reading what someone else writes
[06:04] <holstein> and playing it lyrically
[06:04] <holstein> or whatever it takes to convey the story
[06:04] <Curly_Q> Reading music cramps my style.
[06:04] <Curly_Q> I taught myself how to listen to something and then just play it. I don't need sheet music.
[06:04] <holstein> i hear you
[06:05] <holstein> but, as miles davis said 'freedom is in itself ultimately limiting'
[06:05] <Curly_Q> I teach guitar lessons though which is an irony of the whole thing. I make $75.00/hour doing it.  hehe
[06:05] <holstein> nice
[06:06] <holstein> i usually do $40
[06:06] <holstein> for 50 minutes or so
[06:06] <holstein> but i dont have a lot of students
[06:06] <Curly_Q> I do much better at Forensic Data Recovery making about $1,000.00/day. I keep my priorities here.   :)
[06:06] <holstein> and no regular ones
[06:07] <Curly_Q> There is a huge market for that.
[06:08] <holstein> well, glad to have you in the community
[06:08] <holstein> it would be nice to have some users of the software
[06:08] <Curly_Q> Office Max makes $1,200.00/customer for data recovery.
[06:08] <holstein> that can afford to financially contribute :)
[06:08] <holstein> most of us are just broke musicians
[06:09] <Curly_Q> Well, I try not to be broke. it cost money to feed myself and live in a nice place.
[06:09] <holstein> well, im sure 300,000+ helps :)
[06:09] <Curly_Q> I try not to cut corners even when I type sentences. It all comes back to you eventually.
[06:10] <Curly_Q> The more work you put into anything the more the returns are.
[06:10] <holstein> yeah, in theory
[06:10] <Curly_Q> Actually in practice.
[06:11] <holstein> yeah, you're right
[06:11] <Curly_Q> People pay more attention to you if you have a plan.
[06:11] <holstein> all the returns are not financial in nature
[06:11] <Curly_Q> That's true.
[06:11] <Curly_Q> I agree.
[06:11] <Curly_Q> It is good to be flexible.
[06:12] <Curly_Q> Is the ISO I am downloading a kernel of the Ubuntustudio?
[06:12] <Curly_Q> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/10.10/release/
[06:13] <holstein> well
[06:13] <holstein> to be presice
[06:13] <Curly_Q> Or is it an installation?
[06:13] <holstein> linux is the kernel
[06:13] <Curly_Q> True.
[06:13] <holstein> ubuntu is the operating system
[06:13] <Curly_Q> True.
[06:13] <holstein> the kernels are all the same
[06:13] <holstein> you can get whatever kernel you need from the repos
[06:13] <Curly_Q> So this is a kernel with the programs associated?
[06:13] <holstein> from any official buntu install
[06:14] <holstein> Curly_Q: you'll get the linux-generic kernel
[06:14] <Curly_Q> I am very familiar with installing Linux.
[06:14] <Curly_Q> That's OK.
[06:14] <holstein> and the packages associated with ubuntustudio
[06:14] <Curly_Q> I was just curious about the kernel and is it a stripped down version of the Kernel with the programs on it?
[06:15] <holstein> the kernel is the same
[06:15] <holstein> the same kernel you would get in ubuntu
[06:15] <holstein> a -generic one
[06:15] <holstein> with the same hardware support rolled in
[06:15] <holstein> theres not really any programs on the kernel
[06:15] <holstein> AFAIK
[06:16] <holstein> you can get lowerlatency kernels if needed
[06:16] <Curly_Q> I am sure I will find out when I install it.
[06:17] <Curly_Q> I suppose if I installed a bare-bones Linux kernel and did the above apt-get that would suffice.
[06:17] <holstein> depends
[06:17] <holstein> i mean, the kernel has some driver support
[06:17] <holstein> so that can effect your graphics card for one thing
[06:18] <holstein> or wireless
[06:18] <holstein> i suppose you could apt-get modules or firmware or whatever
[06:18] <holstein> if you need
[06:18] <holstein> i find that in ubuntu
[06:18] <holstein> i try to stick to what ubuntu is expecting
[06:18] <Curly_Q> I guess what you are saying is that the ubuntustudio has the drivers incorporated with the kernel to make it all happen.
[06:18] <holstein> package-wise
[06:19] <holstein> trying to use the stuff from the repos first when possible
[06:19] <holstein> then PPA
[06:19] <holstein> then some .deb or building
[06:19] <holstein> Curly_Q: well what i saying is, ubuntustudio uses the same kernel as ubuntu
[06:20] <Curly_Q> Funny thing is that I came here because I was surfing on the Google and thought first to try Anthony.freenode.net to see if there was a #ubuntustudio channel. My guess was correct.
[06:20] <holstein> yup
[06:20] <holstein> we're here
[06:20] <Curly_Q> This is my first time here.
[06:21] <holstein> i thought i had seen your nick before
[06:21] <holstein> but lots of nicks come and go
[06:21] <Curly_Q> I am all over the IRC.
[06:21] <holstein> congrats
[06:21] <Curly_Q> I am lots of time helping on the #Ubuntu channel or the #Windows channel.
[06:22] <holstein> yeah
[06:22] <holstein> i avoid those
[06:22] <holstein> i help here
[06:22] <Curly_Q> I teach Computer classes such as A+ and more.
[06:22] <holstein> and sometimes in #ubuntu-beginners
[06:22] <holstein> but #ubuntu
[06:22] <holstein> thats a mess
[06:23] <Curly_Q> Yeah, those channels are brutal if you don't know how to hold your own. Lots of the technicians are puffed up with themselves. They think of themselves as gods.
[06:23] <Curly_Q> They hate it when I correct them.
[06:24] <holstein> well, you can hang out here and correct me all you want
[06:24] <Curly_Q> I can type faster than they can too. They hate that and think that I am a bot.
[06:25] <Curly_Q> The other day when the Japan earthquake happened, I put in a comment that there was an impending Tsunami coming for Hawaii and the Philippines. The OPS there said: "You are off topic.. He kicked me from the channel. What a fool.
[06:26] <Curly_Q> He said:  "This is an Ubuntu channel and not a warning channel."
[06:27] <Curly_Q> Can you imagine that?
[06:27] <holstein> its challenging though
[06:27] <holstein> i mean, this channel is too
[06:27] <holstein> and i like to be loose with it
[06:27] <holstein> since its so small
[06:27] <holstein> and we are trying to build a community
[06:28] <holstein> BUT, with a channel like that
[06:28] <Curly_Q> It was human life. Did you see the the videos of the Tsunami?
[06:28] <holstein> i can only imagine the stress
[06:29] <Curly_Q> Someone on the IRC on another channel #Windows told me thanks from Hawaii. He heard the air RAIDS sirens and didn't know what it was. He thanked me for the warning.
[06:29] <holstein> lol
[06:30] <Curly_Q> The idiot OPS said: "Stop using CAPS..."
[06:30] <Curly_Q> I saved a life and the OPS is only concerned about CAPS. What does that tell you?
[06:31] <Curly_Q> The news today says that 3 Nuclear Power Plants are in trouble there.
[06:31] <Curly_Q> One would be bad enough.
[06:31] <holstein> yeah, i was catching up on that earlier
[06:32] <Curly_Q> Like Chernoble.
[06:32] <holstein> rough over there
[06:32] <holstein> well, with chernobyl, i think there was somewhere for folks to go
[06:32] <Curly_Q> Yes, I was off topic warning people though.
[06:32] <holstein> or more places for folk to go
[06:32] <holstein> we'll see
[06:33] <holstein> might not be as bad as all that
[06:33] <holstein> anyways, i gotta crash
[06:33] <Curly_Q> The government witheld the Chernobyl incident as much as they could untill they needed aid from the United States.
[06:33] <holstein> Curly_Q: GN
[06:33] <Curly_Q> Nice meeting you Holstein.
[06:33] <Curly_Q> Thanks for the info.
[06:35] <Curly_Q> Good night folks. I hope all here have a great day today.
[22:41] <alberto> Hello
[22:42] <alberto> Does anybody know anything about using VST Instruments on Ubuntu via Jack?
[23:29] <Buggaboo> hi guys
[23:30] <Buggaboo> I want to extract a certain length of sound from a wav. What do I use?
[23:41] <ailo> Buggaboo, check out Audacity. It's a audio-file-editor, and perfect for things like that.
[23:41] <Buggaboo> excellent.
[23:41] <Buggaboo> thanks.