[00:01] You guys notice that often the Unity launcher will get "stuck" and won't slide back if it's set to auto hide? [00:17] humphreybc: I haven't had that happen to me recently. [00:36] DBO you in? [01:08] hi... what the diference betwin ubuntu and ubuntu-ubity? [01:08] ubuntu-unit [01:09] somany people and nobody know tell me??!!! [01:10] Ubuntu is the project, the Operating System. [01:10] Unity is a shell. [01:10] Unity is the desktop shell, the part of the operating system you see. [01:10] ok [01:11] Hey Daekdroom. [01:11] sorry... ubuntu-gnome and ubuntu-unity [01:11] what is diference [01:11] GNOME is a desktop environment. Unity is a desktop shell. Unity works on top of GNOME. [01:11] and therefore, is not replacing it, as many people are mislead to believe in. [01:12] ahhh... then ubuntu = ubuntu(unity) [01:12] only interface is diferent [01:12] Ubuntu will start using Unity by default. [01:13] hummmm I see [01:13] (in the future releases, starting by 11.04) [01:13] yeap... I readed about that [01:13] ubuntu 11.04 will use Unity [01:14] some thinq like this [01:14] I'm thinking change to Unity because the fonts in my ubuntu is not good [01:14] Agree 100% with MPT on this. https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg05037.html [01:15] Current menu implementation is f**king moronic. [01:15] (excuse my french) [01:15] what is moronic? [01:15] Unity's implementation of menus (or rather, lack of) in the panel. [01:15] idiotic, I think [01:16] humphreybc, I think it'd only make sense if menus also melted into title bars in non-maximized windows, like Chrome. [01:16] Because in large screen resolutions, the menu might stay too far away from a window. [01:16] I see... [01:17] Daekdroom: yeah, you ever tried using Unity with more than one monitor? [01:17] Of course it's easy to aim because it's at the top of the screen, but.. [01:17] What can I do to make my webbrowser fonts be better in ubuntu? [01:17] It's basically the worst thing ever [01:17] I have never tried using anything with more than one monitor. [01:17] I use ubuntu in 2 monitors and I've no problem [01:18] I dont know about unity [01:18] I quite often have my laptop hooked up to a 24" external monitor [01:18] I'm thinking install Unity, but I dont know if it is better then ubuntu [01:18] jonny: Unity /is/ Ubuntu. [01:18] jonny: there is a resizing problem for any other monitors at the moment if memory serves me right [01:19] on the new unity [01:19] somebody know what can I do about fonts (dont show good) in my brouwser [01:19] ? [01:19] yeah its a rendering issue its being worked on I think [01:19] well... I'm tired... another time I came back... tanks.... bye [01:20] ...right. [01:20] humphreybc: :) [01:20] * humphreybc really needs to get some work done, dammit. [01:20] oh how is the game working out [01:21] if I told you that, I'd have to kill you :) [01:21] hehe [01:21] im excited to see where it goes since im a pretty heavy gamer [01:22] * fagan risking going off topic since its quiet === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [03:03] would it be possible to change launcher icon dynamically after application is already running? === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === twisted_1teel is now known as twisted_steel [03:31] Cimi, do you sleep? You are a machine. :) [03:31] lol [03:31] yeah, updating then going to sleep [03:35] Ha nice, made a PPA for those themes if you want to check out. I know you're busy with the overlay bars. [05:45] * humphreybc still hasn't managed to reproduce the invisible window bug [05:53] jcastro: ping [05:54] jcastro: PM me when you're around [06:59] good morning [07:45] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1887929/uds-hub.png [08:01] hey everybody [09:46] didrocks: ping [09:46] nerochiaro: hey [09:47] didrocks: did you see the discussion I had yesterday with Gary about turning the dbus method call into a signal ? [09:47] so that it's broadcast to everyone interested instead of just targeted to unity [09:48] nerochiaro: no, I didn't [09:48] nerochiaro: I'm not sure about a signal as this one is really specific [09:48] with Unity "launcher" [09:48] and icon size/x/y [09:50] didrocks: well, the issue is that we would have to register on the bus as unity, but currently all our interfaces are on com.canonical.Unity2d ... it's not a big deal to register also as com.canonical.Unity, but seems less clean [09:50] instead with a signal, it's sent out to no one in particular [09:50] so SC doesn't care if Unity or Unity2d gets it [09:50] or someone else [09:51] nerochiaro: I think the long term solution is an external process for that [09:51] dealing with logic for the launcher [09:51] like the intellihide and such [09:51] didrocks: that seems reasonable, on the long term [09:51] so then, a method would make sense as the daemon will bring the info to the rendering part [09:51] right [09:51] so right now, I would say, steal the Unity name :) [09:52] ok, i'll just do that :) [09:53] great thanks! :) [10:00] Cimi: are there specific theme settings you need to do to make the calendar marked days show up bolder or a different shade or something? [10:00] my code doesn't seem to highlight days, this is in the indicator-datetime === daker_ is now known as daker === API is now known as Guest74755 === Guest74755 is now known as apinheiro [10:13] dbarth, ping? === humphreybc1 is now known as humphreybc [10:27] njpatel, I'm having problems with the SyncGeometries thing we talked about (remember?) [10:28] njpatel, doing the call once the indicators are synced from the service doesn't work, since the stuff is not yet drawn on the screen [10:29] njpatel, so, I've tried doing it in PostDraw, Draw, PostLayout, etc, so what would be the best place to do it? [10:37] rodrigo_, Draw should work, as it's its' guaranteed to be valid at that point [10:38] rodrigo_, also, make sure your using GetAbsoluteGeometries [10:38] GetAbsoluteGeometry(), I mean [10:38] as that's the geometry relative to the 0,0 of the screen [10:38] njpatel, ok, trying again, Draw didn't work last time I tried, but might be another thing [10:38] njpatel, ok [10:39] rodrigo_, just be aware that draw get's called *alot* so make sure you have something cached so you know when you actually need to update [10:39] njpatel, hmm, right, that might have been the problem [10:40] rodrigo_, Draw in PanelView, called after IndicatorObjectFactory emits a changed signal (whenever it recevied anything that might cause a geometry update, you'll need to add that) would do the trick [10:40] the panelview can cache the changed and then on the next draw sync the geometries [10:40] ok [10:41] Greetings... Is this the whine-place to whine about bugs in Unity? Beside the obvious launchpad? :) [10:50] BigWhale: Yeah, or Twitter. [10:50] humphreybc, I did that already. :> [10:51] BigWhale: haha [10:51] Now I'm posting bug report, I had to apt-get upgrade first, just to make sure ... [10:52] BigWhale: you gotta end it with "Canonical #foo team sucks!" otherwise you are doing it wrong ;p [10:53] Naah, I'm still Lawful Good aligned. I'll do that when I turn chaotic. :> [10:55] Hmm. Last natty updates borked my install, won't load the gdm on boot. Virtual terminals still work. Ideas? [10:55] Compiz --replace ? [10:56] humphreybc-ipad: just "compiz" [10:56] There... http://launchpadlibrarian.net/66490396/unity-gtk-theme-borken.png [10:56] Fatal: couldn't open display [10:56] Sad face. [10:56] If this is how Natty will look like, then I don't want it! ;> [10:57] * humphreybc-ipad tries rebooting [10:57] BigWhale: there are definitely advantages to being Chaotic [10:58] Great success! GDM decided to work now. [10:58] humphreybc-ipad, grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log [10:58] BigWhale: Worked after a reboot. [10:58] now that sucks... [10:58] well... in a way [10:58] chaotic, I am sure. hehe :)) [11:00] Alright! Back in business. [11:00] Natty sure does make my laptop get hot. [11:01] CPU isn't maxing out, maybe GPU or something. Either way it's loud, hot and concerning [11:01] btw humphreybc = humphreybc-ipad [11:01] ;) [11:05] I wanted to blog about natty and now I can't because it's ugly :'( [11:06] BigWhale, trying switching theme and then switching it back [11:06] *try [11:06] I did :/ [11:06] :( [11:07] hm [11:07] where can I switch GTK theme... wasn't this in 'Appearance' [11:08] BigWhale: yup, Appearance [11:08] GTK theme doesn't change, just the window borders [11:08] however ... [11:08] it does change in the Appearance window [11:11] now it died... no more compiz and I have no idea how to sent CTRL-ALT-F1 to vbox... *sigh* [11:15] njpatel, can I make you two questions? [11:18] apinheiro, sure [11:19] BigWhale, when that happens, it means that gnome-settings-daemon has died [11:19] (nothting to do with Unity) [11:19] just run it from a terminal and see it magically fix your desktop [11:24] Unity just crashed on my after safely removing a drive :) [11:25] njpatel, hmmm ok let me see [11:25] Hmm [11:26] humphreybc, want that report if you have it :) [11:26] It was a duplicate of a current bug, lemme see if I can find it [11:27] exact same thing [11:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/734721 [11:27] Ubuntu bug 734721 in unity (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_is_a()" [Medium,New] [11:27] marked it as affecting me [11:27] njpatel, it is refusing to start again... :) http://pastebin.com/RdmUv8Hd [11:27] even "LANGUAGE=en_NZ:en" haha [11:28] BigWhale, killall -9 gnome-settings-daemon; gnome-settings-daemon [11:28] humphreybc, thanks, will fix it [11:30] njpatel: Also, check out the cool Ask Ubuntu widgets on OMG! now [11:30] ;) [11:30] (I have a feeling Jorge might be more excited than you, though) [11:30] njpatel, it seems it keeps suiciding at startup.. I'll reassign the bug.. [11:31] weird, it died on me yesterday but it's normally good at respawning [11:35] err wait [11:35] panel settings are back [11:35] but not the windows [11:36] klattimer, hey, where does the code live for the current keyboard indicator menu? [11:36] gnome-settings-daemon [11:37] are you going to get it themed? [11:37] *most* of the code is there I suppose, just some themed "flags" icons for the [ XX ] display and packaged into the themes /flags/ folder [11:38] in fact I think that would *just work* tbh [11:38] klattimer, people keep thinking I'm responsible for icons and themes and stuff, but no, I just throw stones [11:38] :) [11:38] (i.e. make lists of things for Cimi and DanRabbit to fix) [11:38] who's getting one thrown at them? [11:38] oh, good not me :D [11:39] klattimer, just someone posting on ayatana@ interested in helping out with the keyboard stuff [11:41] hi clarita [11:42] mpt: that we can't fix cause we are working on other projects [11:42] yeah [11:42] But, other people could [11:44] hello mpt [12:01] would it be possible to change launcher icon dynamically after application is already running? [12:01] also, are insane memory leaks in compiz already reported? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:18] Hey njpatel, I have something to add to my Unity wishlist :) [12:18] I would like to be able to drag the Places, Applications, Volumes and Trash icons anywhere I like, without being constrained to having them *below* the app launcher icons. [12:19] I almost think the "Applications" dash is more important than the Ubuntu icon [12:19] yep, I think there is a feature request for that [12:19] See, the Ubuntu icon's Dash entries are mainly "Find more of this" [12:19] But the Apps entries are mainly "use what you currently have" [12:19] I'd bet most people want to actually use things more often than they want to find things [12:20] So why the Applications launcher icon is squashed down near the bottom is beyond me. [12:20] yep, we're hoping that those 10-15 apps would be moved to the launcher so they won't be opening the dash all the time, but it makes sense [12:20] Sure, the Ubuntu button dash allows you to launch /any/ application, but, to do so, you need to know the name of that application for you to find it easily. [12:21] or some keywords but yeah, it's not geared for browsing like the actual places are [12:21] Also, only showing 6 apps under "installed" and then having "See 75 more" is crazy ludicrous. [12:21] humphreybc, it's not done yet, we'll auto-expand if there is space [12:21] Especially since those 6 apps are pointless things I'd hardly ever use, like, About Me, Additional Drivers, Solitaire, Agave and Assistive Technologies. [12:22] At least three of those aren't even /apps/ - they're settings. [12:22] Why are they in the apps view? [12:22] because they weren't in there but people got confused so we had to add them back [12:23] in there originally* [12:23] Okay, so use case: Something most people would use semi-regularly but not regularly enough to actually have it pinned to their launcher. LibreOffice Impress. [12:23] Aka, they want to make a Slideshow. [12:23] So, they click the Ubuntu button [12:23] type in slideshow or presentation [12:24] and they get impress [12:24] If they knew the name of the app (unlikely) they'd search that. And yes, keywords work, which is impressive (I was expecting them to not work ) :) [12:24] But let's say they don't recognize the text field is there [12:24] (Right now, there is no blinking cursor suggesting I can type in there but I guess that's a bug) [12:25] "Find More Apps" and browse or choose "Office" section from dropdown? [12:25] So they click Ubuntu Button > Find More Apps > See 75 more results > LibreOffice Impress [12:25] A lot of clicks? [12:25] The dropdown isn't immediately obvious, imo [12:25] it's not styled yet that's why [12:26] okay [12:26] but yes, more clicks [12:26] * humphreybc thinks he should just shut up till final... but worries nothing will change [12:26] you don't see things changing week to week? [12:26] Not really, to be honest. Nothing visual. Definitely bug fixes. [12:26] Also, you probably want to bring up ideas on ayatana list so designers can see....I don't have much control over design :) [12:27] I'm still awaiting some key visuals for dash, I'm promised that they will be with me early next week [12:27] I think that Unity has ironically become more suited to power users, perhaps because it's been designed and implemented by power users (a common Achilles heel of open source) even though it is designed for newbies. [12:27] so they'll be in next weeks release [12:27] I just somehow doubt my Mum will know what the F is going on [12:28] I don't think so, you'll be surprised at how much google has made people want a search box to type something into and expect an answer back [12:28] In fact I can tell you the exact first point she'll get stuck. She will open an app, the dock to the left will hide, and then she won't know what to do to open another app. She'll move the cursor to the left wall and nothing will happen. [12:28] hence search is continuously being refined [12:28] Hell it even took me ages to figure out you had to move your cursor right up to the top left corner pixel to reveal the launcher again [12:28] yeah, I really want the launcher to be fixed by default [12:29] I'm still hoping that will change [12:29] jaytaoko|afk: just a heads up when you arrive about apinheiro's branch which needs to be merged in [12:29] It's easy to fix if it's auto hiding [12:29] Simply have it reveal when you move your cursor to anywhere on the left wall [12:29] It slides away to the left, hinting at the fact it should be able to be called by putting your cursor anywhere up against the left wall [12:29] All docks do it. It's a common and expected behaviour enhanced by the hinting animation. [12:29] Agreed, tis is something that needs to be brought up on ayatana [12:30] I believe keybuk has already mentioned this issue [12:30] * njpatel makes todo [12:30] keybuk wasn't even using a mouse === robtaylo1 is now known as robtaylor [12:30] I unsubscribed from ayatana months ago due to all the bikeshedding [12:30] but yes, it's common and that's how it works with AWN and docky [12:30] (not to mention Mac OS X if you have that set to hide) [12:31] Anyway [12:31] Maybe I should compile a list of gripes [12:31] Only to be told they'll all be fixed? Perhaps I'll wait till after final. [12:31] Agreed, but it's out of my hands, unfortunately [12:32] Who should I be talking to then? [12:32] Rick? Jason? [12:32] Gripes are good, if they are in a list for later viewing :) [12:32] nope, none of them design [12:32] humphreybc, JohnLea and Mark [12:32] Yeah but as the desktop managers Rick and Jason should have sway [12:32] (I can't remember exact titles, they change often enough at Canonical) [12:33] really? Two people are making the decisions about Unity, one of them not even a designer? [12:33] Are they getting feedback from anyone else? [12:33] No, I pointed you to the leads that can you can get an answer from [12:33] ah okay [12:34] Otherwise Ayatana list or bugs, whichever your prefer [12:35] ok [12:36] * humphreybc has a feeling neither will get me anywhere, but hey [12:37] You never know :) [12:39] uhm... how do you get launcher back once it slides out of the way? [12:40] just move the mouse on the left side of the screen [12:40] ok, this is virtualbox issue then... [12:40] with VB, it is painfull yes [12:40] still annoying [12:41] njpatel: Yeah, I do know. [12:41] Because it's happened before :) [12:41] BigWhale, switch to full screen is the easiest way or hit the window key [12:41] :) === njpatel is now known as njpatel_ [12:42] I don't like things that hide from me... :> [12:42] * humphreybc refers people to his latest tweets [12:43] I'm not following you [12:43] http://twitter.com/humphreybc [12:43] BigWhale, I guess it is possible to turn off the autohide, I assume that on a touch screen it is not very convenient to have an autohiude [12:44] And I don't like the name of the application fading out and menu covering it then ... [12:46] it's really hard to follow someone in gwibber ... [12:46] BigWhale: that's because Gwibber is the pits [12:47] well searching is hard [12:47] I implemented follow/unfollow, that's easy now [12:49] and gnome terminal needs some unity love [13:13] good day all [13:15] BigWhale, hey [13:15] Hm, will there be any feature freeze exceptions for Unity. [13:15] kenvandine, good morning. :) === apinheiro is now known as apinheiro_lunch [13:16] my last statement was actually a question :> [13:16] second last [13:16] BigWhale, i think will be [13:17] BigWhale: there are *always* feature freeze exceptions [13:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus [13:17] lists all the expected stuff [13:18] oh, thanks. [13:24] Do you guys get weird graphical glitches when alt-tabbing in Unity? [13:25] No. I just managed to freeze the whole desktop... [13:25] by running ccsm [13:27] humphreybc: i find alt+tab in general to be very poor performance wise :( [13:27] humphreybc, alt tabbing was a bit slow for me, but I'm running in vbox, so this might be the reason [13:27] I managed to nab a screenshot, lemme upload [13:27] I'm using unity on native iron with nvidia GPU [13:27] mine looks fine, intel graphics [13:27] but it is slow to show [13:28] but looks nice [13:28] and works fine once it is raised [13:28] http://twitpic.com/4a0v13 [13:28] i just think it is too slow to show [13:28] I get stuff like this happen basically every 1 in 10 alt-tabs [13:28] my manky intel work xp box is near instant, but I just can't get Ubuntu to switch windows quickly enough [13:28] and when I move the mouse around, the IRC window gets "erased" to reveal Facebook. [13:28] humphreybc: i have seen that with nouveau [13:29] is that browser chrome humphreybc ? [13:29] yeah, chromium [13:29] i actually get that happen on windows with chrome [13:29] only started recently, i suspect a chrome bug [13:30] Actually, now that you mention it, I've never noticed it happen with other apps [13:30] this does look like browser bug... only browser elements are popping out [13:31] I also find Unity to act weird with window selection. Quite often it'll require more than one click on the title bar of a window for it become the focused one. [13:31] oh, i can beat that humphreybc :) [13:31] * humphreybc wishes he was an OP so he could change the topic to #unitywars [13:32] dual screen, open an app full screen on both displays [13:32] ha [13:32] yes [13:32] But that's always been a bug in Linux [13:32] no no no, hang on.. [13:32] The thing spazzes out [13:32] on screen 2, make that active, then try and grab the title bar to unmaximise it [13:33] you end up unmaximising the wrong window [13:33] lol [13:33] and it jumps from screen 2 to screen 1 [13:33] good morning tedg [13:33] whenever I run anything fullscreen fullstop on Ubuntu the whole thing just shits itself [13:33] :) [13:33] And I end up having to go to a virtual terminal and run sudo service gdm restart [13:33] Good morning kenvandine [13:33] popey, lets not get into the dual screen problems... Because I'm about to cry :> [13:34] THERE IS NO CRYING IN IRC! [13:34] humphreybc: its all good fun :) [13:34] * kenvandine wonders why these things don't happen to me [13:34] * popey offers BigWhale a tissue [13:34] :) [13:34] kenvandine: nvidia twinview? [13:34] * kenvandine pats his reliable thinkpad [13:34] intel goodness [13:34] :-D [13:34] * popey pats the video card everyone else has [13:34] :D [13:34] popey: I can't decide which one is worse, nvidia or amd [13:35] BigWhale: it's tough, but, Intel. [13:35] meh [13:35] BigWhale, yeah that is a tough one [13:35] intel just works :-D [13:35] at least for me, not a big gamer [13:35] right now AMD is in the lead... You have to do some binary replacement in the driver [13:35] tedg, happy "Wednesday is the new Thursday" [13:35] OMG INVISIBLE WINDOW BUG [13:36] I can finally output this stuff for sam [13:36] What is the command to save terminal output to a file again? [13:36] humphreybc-ipad, > ? [13:36] kenvandine, Yeah, you believe that. Happy happy joy joy :-P [13:36] :> [13:37] smspillaz: Ping! [13:38] kenvandine: good luck getting an intel card in a desktop pc :) [13:38] humphreybc-ipad: pong [13:38] My virtualbox froze... [13:38] smspillaz: I have the invisible window bug! [13:38] humphreybc-ipad: I've got a general way to reproduce it now [13:38] Outputting stuff for you one [13:38] so I should be good [13:38] O [13:38] but feel free to mail things to me [13:38] I got all excited for nothing [13:38] :P [13:39] (damn, it sucks, I thought I had a fix for that this morning too) [13:40] Just blasted the ubuntu login sound through my big speakers at 3am... [13:40] My bad, === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:40] humphreybc-ipad, don't worry.. it is a pleasant sound ... [13:40] :> [13:41] it's more fun in the old days when your system bell would blast at full volume [13:41] smspillaz: PM me your email address [13:41] also, go to bed [13:43] popey, actually i have a desktop box with intel [13:43] but it is getting kind of old, one of the first dell's sold with ubuntu pre-loaded [13:43] kenvandine: onboard no doubt [13:43] yup [13:43] my mobo has no video card [13:44] i usually prefer it that way [13:44] but i am scared to move to anything besides intel :/ [13:44] tremolux: Good morning. i just noticed that in your SC branch the DBUS calls is made as soon as the user clicks on the "add to launcher" link. didn't we say it would be done when installations is complete ? [13:45] tremolux: also, i talked with didrocks, and we're ok to leave the call as a method call over DBUS instead of a signal [13:48] anyone planning on fixing this? http://www.twitvid.com/KWUM8 [13:49] it appears that gnome-settings-daemon is freezing just for me... :/ Must be my username or hostname ... [13:50] humphreybc, that's eyecandy F/X [13:50] whatever it is, it looks terrible [13:50] :> [13:50] anyone else experience that? [13:50] I'll trade it for my default gtk theme [13:50] njpatel_? [13:51] humphreybc, yeah it is the same for me [13:51] okay [13:51] right i'm off to bed [13:51] nigth! [13:51] night, rather. [13:51] nite [13:53] If I turn off Fading Windows in ccsm whole desktop will freeze. Sendind CTRL-ALT-DEL doesn't do anything. === ogra_ is now known as ogra [14:01] smspillaz: hey, are you still around? [14:12] robtaylor: sort of [14:12] hit me [14:13] smspillaz: hey, i'm going to be attempting to help out with compiz for a while [14:13]