[04:22] <c2tarun> I need some help on this bug 683439 how should I split, I can move kalgebra out but what about the debian folder, I can edit the control file as well, but should I copy the rules file and kalgebra.install file as it is?
[04:24] <c2tarun> or should I make a new debian folder by dhmake and then replace the copyright file there and copy the necessary *.install files?
[04:29] <ScottK> No.  You add the new binary package to debian/control and make a [packagename].install file for it.
[04:29] <ScottK> Possibly others.
[04:32] <c2tarun> ScottK, do  I have to make packagename.install file? can't I copy it form the kdeedu debian folder?
[04:32] <ScottK> It's a new one in the same debian directory you had before.
[04:32] <ScottK> Split means make a new binary package, not literally split the source.
[04:32] <ScottK> I'm off to bed now, so good luck.
[04:40] <nigelb> nixternal: ping
[04:42] <c2tarun> Sorry I am not getting a bit :( if anyone is up please help, I never splitted a package  before.
[05:02] <c2tarun> I was looking on this diff http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52734642/sa-compile.mydebdiff the guy fixed the bug also splitted a package but didn't introduced the <packagename>.install file, instead he made changes into rules. :/ how come?
[06:53] <c2tarun> Riddell, ping
[08:08] <valorie> !alis
[08:16] <Riddell> valorie: congratulations on your new responsibilities
[08:18] <valorie> thanks!
[08:18] <valorie> it's an excellent time to dig in now, I think
[08:19] <valorie> when there is so much confusion/disruption in the air -- can mean good changes, if we all make that happen
[08:19] <Riddell> you're a brave woman
[08:21] <valorie> brave or stupid
[08:21] <valorie> we'll see how it all comes out
[08:21] <valorie> lol
[08:29] <apachelogger> !find videodev.h
[08:29] <apachelogger> good lawd
[08:30] <nigelb> Riddell: hey, can you let me know when those postcards reach any of the recipients? So I know the approx time an international thingy will take :)
[08:39] <Riddell> nigelb: ok
[09:40] <fregl> shadeslayer: send me your qml file, I'll see if I can reproduce it here
[09:55] <bambee> morning
[09:56] <bambee> I can't upgrade to kde 4.6.1 from maverick armel by the way (using kubuntu-backport)
[09:56] <Riddell> bambee: PPAs don't have ARM
[09:56] <Riddell> at least not yet
[09:56] <bambee> arrf
[10:24] <tazz> bambee, you are using an arm based computer?
[10:24] <tazz> if so which one?
[10:25] <bambee> tazz: yup, I'm using a toshiba ac100 (tegra2 => cortexA9-based)
[10:25] <bambee> it works just fine
[10:27] <bambee> but I  use kde 4.5 :(
[10:32] <Riddell> bambee: time to install natty? :)
[10:33] <bambee> Riddell: natty has not stranges libc crashes on armel ?
[10:33] <bambee> I'm not sure..
[10:37] <bambee> (if someone can confirm...)
[10:46] <Riddell> bambee: we won't know until you install it, none of us have ARM
[10:46] <Riddell> Qt apps had issues but ScottK says that should be solved now, at last with a recompile
[10:48] <bambee> Riddell: in this case I will test for you ;)
[10:50] <c2tarun> Riddell, ping
[10:51] <Riddell> hi c2tarun 
[10:52] <c2tarun> Riddell, hi :) I need bit help on that split bug. :(
[10:54] <Riddell> ok, what's up?
[10:55] <c2tarun> Riddell, first is there any manual available for splitting pacakges, I asked on many channels and googled it a lot, but failed to find.
[10:56] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[10:56] <Riddell> search for "Creating More Than One Binary Package"
[10:57] <c2tarun> Riddell, I read that section, but it didn't helped, what I am not getting is how to write the packagename.install files?
[10:57] <Riddell> well just look at the existing ones, it's just a list of files
[11:00] <c2tarun> Riddell, here is kalgebra.install file http://paste.ubuntu.com/581026/ there was one line with /usr/share/kalgebramobile I removed that line and placed it into a new file named kalgebra-mobile.install. I also moved folder mobile out of kalgebra and renamed it as kalgebra-mobile. Am I doing right?
[11:01] <Riddell> c2tarun: what do you mean by folder mobile?
[11:03] <c2tarun> Riddell, well may be I understood wrong, but you said in bug that kalgebra should be split and a new kalgebra-mobile package should be made by splitting, so there was a folder with name mobile inside kalgebra I thought that is the source code for kalgebra mobile. :/
[11:04] <Riddell> yes it will be but we don't want to split up the source, only the .deb packages we make
[11:04] <Riddell> so you did the right thing with putting usr/share/kalgebramobile into kalgebra-mobile.install
[11:04] <Riddell> you also want that kalgebramobile.desktop in kalgebra-mobile.install
[11:05] <Riddell> there also needs to be a kalgebra-common.install with all the files needed by both the full and the mobile versions
[11:05] <Riddell> i.e. everything else except usr/bin/kalgebra and usr/share/applications/kde4/kalgebra.desktop and probably the docs
[11:09] <c2tarun> Riddell, the lines which I include in kalgebra-mobile.install & kalgebra-common.install, should I have to remove those lines from kalgebra.install?
[11:13] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes
[11:14] <Riddell> c2tarun: you'll also need to add the kalgebra-mobile and kalgebra-common package entries into debian/control and include Breaks: kalgebra (<< new version) and Conflicts: kalgebra (<< new version)  where "new version" is whatever the new version you add in debian/changelog is
[11:14] <Riddell> good luck :)
[11:14]  * Riddell out for an hour
[11:28] <c2tarun> Here are the changes I made for split in bug 683439   changes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/581045/  Can anyone please take a look before I start building, Thank you
[12:00] <Riddell> c2tarun: looking good
[12:00] <Riddell> just needs a long description for kalgebra-common
[12:00] <c2tarun> Riddell, sure I am building it right now, as soon as it'll build I add the Description, where can I get the description?
[12:08] <Riddell> you have to make it up
[12:08] <Riddell> just copt the kalgebra one and add a line at the bottom saying it contains the files needed for both full and mobile versions
[12:20] <Riddell> hi c2tarun, koffice merge looks good, am preparing for upload
[12:28] <shadeslayer> fregl: http://paste.kde.org/7364
[12:31] <fregl> shadeslayer: that is incomplete/doesn't run since contact model is not defined
[12:31] <shadeslayer> hold on .. i'll give you my contactmodel too :)
[12:32] <shadeslayer> fregl: http://paste.kde.org/7406
[12:38] <fregl> shadeslayer: do you want the lightsteelblue rectangle as background? then it needs to be in the delegate. the highlight on the other hand indeed doesn't seem to update. that seems buggy here as well
[12:39] <shadeslayer> fregl: the blue rectangle should change it's size with a resize of the window
[12:39] <fregl> yes
[12:39] <shadeslayer> yeah that's buggy it seems
[12:39] <fregl> so highlight is broken (?)
[12:39] <shadeslayer> yes
[12:40] <shadeslayer> fregl: the same issue i showed you the other day http://i.imgur.com/Q0ZRq.png
[12:40] <shadeslayer> can you show me the code that worked for you?
[12:46] <fregl> shadeslayer: there is two things: the hightlight, I didn't use that. I used a background in the delegate. have a look at this for how to get the hightlight to work http://paste.kde.org/7407/
[12:46] <fregl> shadeslayer: basically because the highlight is a component it cannot access its parent properly and for some reason its width doesn't get updated. this is a workaround.
[12:47] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:47] <fregl> I guess it is a bug indeed
[12:56] <apachelogger> :O
[12:56] <apachelogger> when did the nice light blue rectangle become a light steel blue rectangle?
[12:56] <apachelogger> this is world I do not want to live in!
[12:57]  * apachelogger leaves for booze and cigars
[12:57] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[13:04] <debfx> agateau: a Debian ftp admin asked if you could remove the COPYING file from libindicate-qt: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ayatana-devel/2011-March/000180.html
[13:04] <agateau> debfx: oh, indeed that's stupid
[13:05] <agateau> debfx: should replace it with the LGPL version
[13:05]  * agateau does this
[13:05] <agateau> debfx: so the answer: "no problem from my side"
[13:07] <agateau> mmm, there are already LGPL files, so I just need to rm the GPL one
[13:07] <debfx> yep, thanks :)
[13:25] <Riddell> c2tarun: ug, koffice failed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice/1:2.3.3-0ubuntu1/+buildjob/2324333/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.koffice_1%3A2.3.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:25] <Riddell> presumably you didn't have that problem?
[13:36] <c2tarun> Riddell, well it built successfully on my laptop
[13:37] <c2tarun> Riddell, it requires something for MS Acess plugin, MS Access is an windows application I guess.
[13:38] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[13:38] <shadeslayer> i guess the corresponding package changed or something
[13:39] <c2tarun> but still it build successfully on my system, how?
[13:40] <Riddell> that Iconv library is part of libc, this could get messy
[13:41] <Riddell> yes, if I upgrade libc6-dev and libc6 then I get the problem
[13:41] <c2tarun> an i think its not upgraded on my system.
[13:42] <shadeslayer> that just got messy didn't it
[13:42] <c2tarun> how to fix that?
[13:45] <Riddell> fixing this involves learning cmake, how shares libraries work and working out what's changes in the new libc
[13:45] <c2tarun> hmmm....... approximately in how much time I can learn cmake.
[13:46] <Riddell> a few days
[13:46] <Riddell> c2tarun: can you pastebin the output of   dpkg -L libc6  please
[13:47] <c2tarun> Riddell, well my chroot is building kdeedu right now and it will take few hours :( any other way?
[13:47] <Riddell> on your local system?
[13:49] <c2tarun> Riddell, http://pastebin.com/WRnakdxL
[13:49] <ScottK> c2tarun: Also you can run pbuilder more than once and have more than one chroot going at the same time.
[13:49] <Riddell> /lib/libc.so.6
[13:49] <Riddell> new libc has  /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
[13:49] <Riddell> so no wonder cmake can't find it
[13:49] <ScottK> That's multi-arch
[13:49] <ScottK> Blame slangasek.
[13:50] <Riddell> isn't that going to break the world?
[13:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Not quite all of it, but I'd ask him what to do.
[13:50] <ScottK> The FFe for it didn't seem like it'd break the world, but who knows.
[13:51] <c2tarun> Riddell, what you posted is for 64 bit sys, what about 32 bit sys?
[13:51] <Riddell> c2tarun: I don't know but something similar I expect
[14:01] <c2tarun> Riddell, what should I do on koffice, I think you mentioned the problem all we have to do is to ensure that cmake looks for /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 I think anyone with knowledge of cmake can do it?
[14:01]  * c2tarun as I dont have cmake knowledge it will take me more time
[14:02] <Riddell> c2tarun: I don't know the right answer, I'm asking in #ubuntu-devel if there's an expected answer for what is presumably a common problem
[14:03] <c2tarun> Riddell, ok, I'll wait for replies on ubuntu-devel thanks :)
[14:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/daily-preinstalled/current/ :(
[14:10] <apachelogger> our images are sooooo oudated
[14:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can I talk about vodka at the free desktop summit?
[14:16] <Nightrose> apachelogger: -.-
[14:17] <apachelogger> oi, don't hate me because I like drinking....
[14:17] <apachelogger> :(
[14:17] <Riddell> does -.- mean she hates you?
[14:18] <Riddell> I get so confused by these new fangled smileys
[14:18] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I could talk about the impact of free software on social interaction and opportunities that arise from that
[14:18] <apachelogger> still I'd prefer talking about vodka and what qualifies as good vodka
[14:19] <Nightrose> :P
[14:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: it means she does not like what I said all that much, which is pretty much the same at a highly sophisticated relationship as the one Nightrose and I have
[14:19] <tazz> Nightrose, good i found you here... Nightrose are you interested in doing some GSoC stuff  for  *ubuntu too ?
[14:19] <tazz> Riddell, ^
[14:19] <Riddell> tazz: I expect Nightrose is busy enough with gsoc in KDE
[14:20] <Nightrose> tazz: depends on what you mean but... what Riddell said
[14:20] <Riddell> I'm happy to mentor projects in ubuntu
[14:20]  * tazz wonders when cloning will be legal in this world.
[14:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: srsly though ... the average facebook user probably has between 100 and 200 friends, if we consider that any indication every person who joins the way of the free software and is vocal about that, potentially gets 200 others on board
[14:21] <apachelogger> yet I do not see that kind of growth
[14:21] <apachelogger> one gets to wonder why that is...
[14:21] <apachelogger> ;)
[14:21] <apachelogger> wondering is always a good thing one can talk about
[14:21] <tazz> Riddell, good to know. I'll mail you some time if i find something interesting.
[14:21] <apachelogger> ...like the question of what a good vodka is...
[14:22] <Nightrose> i'm also already doing gsoc stuff for workwork as well
[14:22] <Riddell> tazz: note that ubuntu gets about 1/5th the students that KDE does so there's a lower chance of being accepted
[14:23] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i'm not sure i am following you 100% - but it sounds interesting
[14:23] <apachelogger> that might be related to the quality of proposals :S
[14:23] <tazz> meh! i am not experienced in anything apart from KDE/Kubuntu so...
[14:23] <Nightrose> propose something
[14:23] <apachelogger> Nightrose: vodka?
[14:23] <Nightrose> -.-
[14:23] <apachelogger> you do it again!!
[14:23] <tazz> black/pepper vodka ?
[14:23] <tazz> ^.^
[14:23] <ari-tczew> clean vodka rlz
[14:23] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I'll tell my shrink all about it, I hope you will be ashamed for how you treat me
[14:24] <Nightrose> *hug*
[14:24] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: that is the question we need to answer in a talk at the free desktop thingy
[14:24] <Nightrose> also: i _hate_ my company wifi today
[14:24] <apachelogger> is it really? maybe it is only sometimes?
[14:24] <apachelogger> what is the best vodka for hacking?
[14:24] <apachelogger> what is the best when you are sad
[14:24] <apachelogger> ...
[14:24] <ari-tczew> clean vodka for all cases
[14:24] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: there are studies indicating otherwise
[14:24] <ari-tczew> eventually, with currant
[14:25] <ari-tczew> black currant :)
[14:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Dr. Who is phunny
[14:28] <shadeslayer> 4th Doctor... First Episode
[14:31] <apachelogger> dude
[14:31] <apachelogger> you are stuck in the 70's
[14:31] <apachelogger> !
[14:31] <apachelogger> one time you are in the future, then you are in the past... what is wrong with the present?
[14:32] <apachelogger> I mean except that the light blue rectangle got replaced by an allegedly better light steel blue rectangle
[14:32] <Nightrose> lagging out every minute or two
[14:32] <Nightrose> can't work like this damn it
[14:32]  * apachelogger actually thinks the steel lobby is behind that
[14:32] <shadeslayer> hahah 
[14:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you need 3g, markey always uses 3g when skyping from fawlty towers
[14:32] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: it's Hug your ISP provider day
[14:33] <shadeslayer> go hug them, you get better Speeds
[14:33] <shadeslayer> ;)
[14:33] <Nightrose> heh
[14:33] <Nightrose> i wish
[14:33] <apachelogger> you might need to do other things after the hugging...
[14:33] <apachelogger> services-for-service industry
[14:33] <apachelogger> ...
[14:34] <shadeslayer> hah
[14:35] <shadeslayer> wth
[14:35] <shadeslayer> why are Nokia people using OSX
[14:35] <shadeslayer> boo
[14:36] <apachelogger> because it has coreaudio instead of stinking pulseaudio :P
[14:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: a QDV is equivalent to a QGV ?
[14:37] <apachelogger> a what?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> QDeclarativeView is equivalent to a QGraphicsView
[14:37] <shadeslayer> +?
[14:37] <apachelogger> no
[14:37] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:38] <apachelogger> it is bettar
[14:39] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: they are equivalent to some extend, but not really if you look at it with QDV having an engine and all that magic
[14:39] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[14:39] <apachelogger> QDV is however based on QGV, so a QDV generally can do everything a QGV can do
[14:40] <shadeslayer> QDeclrativeEngine
[14:40] <apachelogger> then again what does the view matter anyway :P
[14:40]  * shadeslayer is looking at vids from Qt Developer days
[14:42]  * apachelogger drinks vodka while watching a documentary about wine
[14:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: have you considered the merits of Irn Bru?
[14:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: irn bru: difficult to get in austria, vodka: easy to get in austria
[14:46] <apachelogger> the scary part is actually that even a minor can easily get hold of vodka :/
[14:46] <apachelogger> it is a screwed up society
[15:00] <c2tarun> Riddell, kdeedu built successfully I am uploading a debdiff with the bug, please take a look at it. bug 683439
[15:01] <Riddell> c2tarun: did you install the packags?
[15:01] <c2tarun> Riddell, nope.
[15:01] <c2tarun> Riddell, should I install them?
[15:01] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes please, and make sure they run
[15:01] <c2tarun> ok
[15:02] <c2tarun> Riddell, can I install them on ubuntu or do I have to log into kubuntu?
[15:03] <Riddell> c2tarun: it doesn't matter what desktop you run
[15:03] <Riddell> of course it does need to be natty
[15:04] <c2tarun> Riddell, that is a problem :( I have maverick but no natty.
[15:04] <Riddell> c2tarun: want an ec2 machine?
[15:05] <c2tarun> Riddell, that'll give me a chroot type environment only. I have that. do you want me to install on chroot and test?
[15:05] <Riddell> yeah
[15:05] <Riddell> install the current version first
[15:05] <Riddell> then the new ones you just built
[15:06] <c2tarun> Riddell, sorry this sounds emabarrasing but I dont know how to install a deb from command prompt. :(
[15:06] <Riddell> sudo dpkg --install *deb
[15:07] <Riddell> then   sudo apt-get -f install   will install any missing dependencies from apt
[15:07] <Riddell> or moan and uninstall the .debs if it can't
[15:08] <c2tarun> Riddell, ok, I dont think that missing deps will be a probl because I build it on same chroot, but since I dont have deb for current version, so can you please suggest anything for that.
[15:11] <c2tarun> Riddell, ping
[15:12]  * c2tarun going to install the one I built
[15:13] <yofel> don't forget to install the repository version first
[15:14] <yofel> why did you use Breaks/Conflicts btw.? That should be Breaks/Replaces
[15:15] <c2tarun> yofel, I just split kalgebra-mobile and not replaced anything
[15:15] <yofel> no, I mean in your new control file
[15:17] <yofel> your new packages replace the old one as you moved the files around http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces
[15:17] <c2tarun> yofel, well first reason is Riddell directed me ;) second I think that Break/Replace should be only when I replace something with a new package and Break/Conflicts should be for something I just split.
[15:17] <steveire> I finally got off my ass and created a wiki page so I can see about kubuntu membership: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/steveire When is the next meeting?
[15:19]  * c2tarun I'll be back in few seconds.
[15:19] <yofel> Breaks and Conflicts mean almost the same, where Conflicts is a stronger restriction
[15:19] <yofel> if you need to overwrite files in another package you're supposed to use Breaks/Replaces
[15:23] <c2tarun> yofel, I dont think I overwrite any files.
[15:24] <yofel> you move files around, so your new kalgebra-mobile overwrites files in the old kalgebra
[15:24] <c2tarun> yofel, I didn't moved any files
[15:24] <yofel> since we use an older standards version you can either use just conflicts or breaks/replaces
[15:24] <yofel> c2tarun: huh? then what did you do?
[15:24]  * apachelogger once moved files around, it was horrible, there was blood everywhere
[15:25] <yofel> apachelogger: you're not supposed to use a chainsaw for that
[15:25] <c2tarun> thanks apachelogger :) I just added few lines in control file and created 2 .install files. but didn't touched the source code.
[15:25] <yofel> c2tarun: you removed files in kalgebra.install and added them to the other packages -> you moved files
[15:25] <apachelogger> earlier today I did rm -rf /media/magic/Pr0n
[15:25] <yofel> ok, you finally went crazy
[15:26] <apachelogger> felt like starting a diary a couple of minutes later
[15:26] <c2tarun> yofel, well that was inside debian folder :/ still do you think i should use Break/Replaces?
[15:27] <yofel> c2tarun: changing the .install files means you remove files from one binary package and move them to a different binary package - that will need Breaks/Replaces then or you'll get overwrite errors from dpkg if you install the new packages while the old kalgebra is still installed
[15:27] <c2tarun> Riddell, ping I need an ec2 desperately :( my connection will take weeks in installing all the depends and both the versions of kdeedu. :(
[15:28] <c2tarun> yofel, ok, so I should simply /s/Conflicts/Replaces/g ??
[15:28] <yofel> that should be fine
[15:29] <c2tarun> ok :) now I have to wait for Riddell to provide me an ec2 :( god I should have asked for it when he offered :/
[15:30]  * apachelogger has 200 gib of doctor who stuff :O
[15:30]  * apachelogger prepares a rm -rf /media/magic/dw and pours more vodka
[15:31] <c2tarun> apachelogger, what is Dr. who?
[15:32] <yofel> a tv show I think
[15:32] <apachelogger> :O
[15:32] <apachelogger> you got to be kidding me
[15:32] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:32] <apachelogger> zomg
[15:32]  * apachelogger needs a bigger glass
[15:32] <yofel> lol
[15:33] <apachelogger> c2tarun: only like the most important tv series ever
[15:33] <apachelogger> half of kubuntu would not be usable if it werent for the doctor
[15:33] <apachelogger> ah, what am I saying
[15:33] <c2tarun> apachelogger, try prison break :) its awesome
[15:33] <apachelogger> earth would have been destroyed or stolen or conquerored... if it werent for the doctor
[15:34] <apachelogger> c2tarun: I rm -rf'd me pr0n!
[15:34]  * c2tarun I'll surely try Dr. Who once :)
[15:37] <c2tarun> yofel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/581148/ is it fine now?
[15:37] <yofel> looks right
[15:38] <c2tarun> yofel, are you using an DSL connection?
[15:39] <yofel> yes
[15:39]  * c2tarun my kubuntu is not detecting DSL connections :( so I am stuck with ubuntu, any suggestions :(
[15:39] <c2tarun> yofel, ^^
[15:39] <yofel> uh, I'm using a DSL over a router - so no idea. The only other connection I use is my mobile phone, where I use wvdial
[15:40] <yofel> s/a DSL/DSL/
[15:40] <kubotu> yofel meant: "uh, I'm using DSL over a router - so no idea. The only other connection I use is my mobile phone, where I use wvdial"
[15:40] <c2tarun> yofel, but I think you have to create a DSL connection and then connect through it right?
[15:40] <yofel> no, the router takes care of the connection, I just connect to it over [W]LAN
[15:41] <\sh> apachelogger: how was the casting for Dr. Who? I heard you want to be the next "The Doctor" ;)
[15:41] <c2tarun> :( I created my DSL connection but its not being displayed in kubuntu and same thing in ubuntu and everything is fine :( may be kdenetworkmanager problem
[15:41] <ximion> hi! could someone please apply my debdiff for bug #734939 and upload the new package? (*hopefully* fixes a nasty bug in KPK)
[15:42] <yofel> c2tarun: I sould actually blame KNM then, does it show up under 'Show more...' maybe?
[15:42] <yofel> s/should/would/
[15:42] <kubotu> yofel: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[15:42] <c2tarun> yofel, nope :(
[15:42] <yofel> typo day -.-
[15:43] <yofel> well, ask the others in #kubuntu maybe, I don't know much there
[15:44] <c2tarun> no prob :) now waiting for Riddell hope he returns soon 
[15:47] <Riddell> hi c2tarun 
[15:47] <Riddell> c2tarun: i386 or amd64?
[15:47] <c2tarun> Riddell, hi :) i386
[15:50] <Riddell> c2tarun: ubuntu@ec2-50-17-135-133.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[15:51] <apachelogger> \sh: I could do that
[15:51] <apachelogger> half of the uk going crazy about me
[15:51] <apachelogger> that sounds like fun
[15:51] <c2tarun> Riddell, gotcha, just one more help please, how can I get my build debs on that ec2?
[15:51] <\sh> apachelogger: go go go for it :) 
[15:52] <Riddell> c2tarun: scp *deb ubuntu@ec2-50-17-135-133.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[15:52] <Riddell> hi ximion 
[15:52]  * apachelogger writes to the BBC
[15:53] <apachelogger> dear sir, I wish to apply in the strongest possible terms as the next doctor
[15:53] <apachelogger> uhh
[15:53]  * apachelogger could watch some pythons
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> a drunk austrian doctor; it just might work!
[15:55] <c2tarun> Riddell, scp not working :/
[15:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it takes until 7 to get drunk, it is only 5
[15:55] <Riddell> ximion: that's from upstream?
[15:56] <apachelogger> then again if I started at 1 it might just be possible
[15:56] <Riddell> c2tarun: does ssh work?
[15:56] <c2tarun> yup, I am on ec2
[15:56]  * apachelogger adds a todo item to conduct tests on whether time of day influences the time it takes to get drunk
[15:57] <c2tarun> Riddell, ^^
[15:57] <Riddell> c2tarun: so run the scp command from your local machine to cp to the remote machine
[15:57] <ximion> Riddell: yes
[15:58] <c2tarun> Riddell, http://paste.kde.org/7419/
[15:59] <Riddell> c2tarun: oh put a colon on the end
[15:59] <Riddell> ubuntu@ec2-50-17-135-133.compute-1.amazonaws.com:
[16:01] <Riddell> ximion: if you're the debian packager why not upload to debian then get a sync?
[16:10] <c2tarun> \ all the deb files are getting copied, this will take some time, meanwhile I installed the current version, how can I check whether its working or not?
[16:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: can you write to kubuntu-devel telling people who live under a rock and only follow kubuntu-devel about our awesome project?
[16:11]  * rgreening lives on a rock
[16:11] <yofel> shadeslayer: wouldn't it be more appropriate for you to do it? but ok, can do (later)
[16:12] <shadeslayer> i did it last time :P
[16:12] <shadeslayer> our thread died out
[16:12] <shadeslayer> also i'm busy figuring out QML awesomeness
[16:13] <ximion> Riddell: sorry, was away :P The problem with Debian is that Debian has a newer PK version and Ubuntu is already in feature-freeze.
[16:14] <Riddell> ximion: lovely thanks, uploaded
[16:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: we might have people from Debian and Suse poking into Neon
[16:14] <ximion> also I'm currently waiting for a newer GObject-Repo version to enter unstable to upload a new version of PK.
[16:14] <yofel> shadeslayer: o.O - didn't suse have their own builds?
[16:14] <ximion> Riddell: thanks!
[16:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: yes, but they upgrade your stable packages
[16:15] <yofel> ah
[16:19] <Riddell> c2tarun: you check it's working by running it
[16:20] <c2tarun> Riddell, well how can I do that with no desktop environment? :(
[16:23] <Riddell> c2tarun: you just run the programme from the command line
[16:23] <c2tarun> Riddell, ok, I'll try that 
[16:43] <c2tarun> Riddell, I installed kdeedu, but man kdeedu is not there, sorry but where can I get the commands?
[16:44] <freinhard> hi!
[16:44] <freinhard> what do i want to read if i'd like to set up a ppa with a bunch of daily built debs from some git repositories?
[16:46] <c2tarun> yofel, ping
[16:46] <yofel> hm?
[16:47] <c2tarun> yofel, I installed the current version of kdeedu but I dont have the list of commands to test it, man kdeedu is not working, can you please suggest me something
[16:48] <yofel> kdeedu is the source package, there are several binary packages for it, in your case you should probably test the kalgebra ones
[16:48] <c2tarun> yofel, well man kalgebra is not working :(
[16:49] <c2tarun> yofel, on running kalgebra I am getting cannot connect to X server
[16:49] <yofel> does it even have a manpage
[16:49] <yofel> ah, you need ssh -X ... if you want to run X applications over ssh
[16:51] <yofel> hm... we forgot something
[16:52] <c2tarun> yofel, ??
[16:52] <yofel> kalgebra and kalgebra-mobile need to depend on kalgebra-common to make sure -common is installed. Without -common they won't do anything
[16:52] <c2tarun> yofel, I installed the version in repository, I dont think it has something like kalgebra-common
[16:53] <yofel> I meant your new packages
[16:53] <Riddell> freinhard: project neon folks like shadeslayer and Quintasan_ will know, but search for launchpad daily builds on google I think
[16:54] <shadeslayer> yofel too :P
[16:54] <c2tarun> yofel, for my new package I'll use dpkg --install *.deb so I think everything will be installed. 
[16:54] <shadeslayer> freinhard: what do you want to build?
[16:54] <yofel> c2tarun: no.. I mean in the control file
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan_: btw i gave some PN stickers to Riddell
[16:54] <yofel> c2tarun: sure it will, but everyone else will use apt, which won't install it without a dependency
[16:55] <shadeslayer> freinhard: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa
[16:55] <yofel> freinhard: er hi!, missed your message - what are you interested in?
[16:55] <c2tarun> yofel, so I should include kalgebra-common into Build-Depends of kalgebra and kalgebra-mobile?
[16:56] <yofel> c2tarun: think again what build-depends are
[16:57] <freinhard> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: thx! i'd like to build kde-telepathy related stuff from master in a ppa
[16:57] <freinhard> http://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/network/telepathy
[16:58] <shadeslayer> that would be awesome
[16:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: we can haz telepathy in neon? :D
[16:58] <yofel> first: does it need KDE trunk? 
[16:58] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:58] <freinhard> no it doesnt
[16:59] <shadeslayer> freinhard: it doesn't? :O
[16:59] <freinhard> got everything relevant here compiled agains kde 4.6.1
[16:59] <c2tarun> yofel, sorry, build-depends are the packages required for building it :( I should add it in Depends?
[16:59]  * shadeslayer shuts up and learns about QML instead
[16:59] <yofel> if it doesn't might make more sense to build it for the stable releases, and possibly make the ppa depend on kubuntu-ppa/backports
[17:00] <shadeslayer> there was a ppa for telepathy builds
[17:00] <shadeslayer> but is now unmaintained iirc
[17:00] <freinhard> i think i remember there has been an issue with 4.5.x but who want's to use that anyways...
[17:00] <yofel> c2tarun: yes, since you need the package to run the application
[17:00] <freinhard> shadeslayer: telepathy it's self doesn't matter. what maverick ships is good enough
[17:00] <shadeslayer> freinhard: i meant telepathy kde :)
[17:00] <freinhard> shadeslayer: there just needs to be a newer, less buggy, tp-qt4 
[17:01] <freinhard> oh!
[17:01] <c2tarun> yofel, ok I'll surely do that after testing :) I connected to ec2 again with ssh -X but now on running kalgebra I am not getting anything, did I miss something?
[17:01] <yofel> c2tarun: no idea, I rarely do that, your connection might be too slow
[17:01] <c2tarun> yofel, do I need a screen like xnest or something
[17:01] <yofel> no, x forwarding should work fine on the current display
[17:02] <c2tarun> hmm...
[17:03] <Riddell> c2tarun: it will be very slow
[17:03] <Riddell> c2tarun: you can try xclock from x11-apps as a quickish test to check it works
[17:03]  * yofel wonders if kalgebra-mobile actually needs calgebra
[17:04] <yofel> if that's just a CLI version might make more sense to move that out of -common
[17:04] <Riddell> ScottK: armhf?  such an elegant name
[17:05] <Riddell> almost as good as powerpcsfe, just rolls off the tongue
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you left at a good time
[17:05] <shadeslayer> it's effing hot here
[17:06] <c2tarun> kalgebra worked :/ I mean I got a window with some tabs and it looks like its going to create something ;) shall I install the newer version/
[17:06] <c2tarun> yofel, Riddell ^^
[17:09] <yofel> c2tarun: yes
[17:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's awefae cold here
[17:10] <yofel> ~15°C here currently
[17:10] <shadeslayer> the temps have suddenly risen to 33 oC here
[17:11]  * yofel gets some vegetables so we get a nicely decorated grilled shadeslayer
[17:11] <c2tarun> yofel, what about this error http://paste.kde.org/7425/
[17:11] <shadeslayer> hahah
[17:11] <yofel> c2tarun: we need what happens before that
[17:11] <shadeslayer> i regret the fact that i did not attend the model view talk by volker
[17:11] <shadeslayer> darn
[17:13] <c2tarun> yofel, http://paste.kde.org/7426/
[17:14] <yofel> c2tarun: sudo apt-get install -f
[17:19] <c2tarun> yofel, I think installation is successful but automatically kbuildcocoa4 running... started 
[17:20] <Riddell> that's a good sign
[17:21] <c2tarun> so I should wait now.
[17:24] <c2tarun> Riddell, kalgebra is working fine but I am not sure about kalgebra-mobile, can you please take a look at ec2?
[17:25]  * c2tarun just a second
[17:26] <Riddell> c2tarun: works for me
[17:26] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kalgebramobile.png
[17:27] <Riddell> with all the accuracy of calc.exe in Windows 3.11
[17:27] <c2tarun> Riddell, grt :) ok then I'll make the changes in control file in depends section suggested by yofel.
[17:27]  * c2tarun he suggested the I should include kalgebra-common in kalgebra and kalgebra-mobile.
[17:28] <freinhard> Riddell: LOL, that's the quote of the day!
[17:37] <shadeslayer> hah
[17:42] <c2tarun> Riddell, i uploaded a new debdiff with bug 683439 please take a look at it
[17:49] <yofel> looks fine except I'm not sure where calgebra belongs to, since it's an executable I don't think it belongs into -common
[17:50] <Riddell> "This is KAlgebra console version"
[17:50] <Riddell> calgebra can go in the "kalgebra" package I guess
[17:51] <Riddell> kalgebra-common dependencies should be versioned
[17:51] <Riddell> c2tarun: add (= ${binary:Version})  to the kalgebra-common dependencies
[17:52] <c2tarun> Riddell, whole this (= ${binary:Version})
[17:52] <Riddell> yes
[17:56] <c2tarun> Riddell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/581220/
[17:57] <Riddell> c2tarun: no, add that binary version to the kalgebra-common dependencies of kalgebra and kalgebra-mobile
[17:58] <c2tarun> oh sorry
[17:58] <Riddell> so that they depend on exactly the same version of kalgebra-common
[18:02] <c2tarun> Riddell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/581223/
[18:06] <Riddell> c2tarun: without the extra comma
[18:07] <Riddell> the package is depending on kalgebra-common at the same version
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ping
[18:08] <c2tarun> Riddell, got it :) I cut it in vim and it pasted like same way. I'll fix that.
[18:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: pong
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: halp!
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> I've got some weird magic going on here
[18:09] <apachelogger> tron
[18:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: where?
[18:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you sign up for a UADW talk yet? :P
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> I've pushed this commit right here: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/muon/repository/revisions/b16770422f959ce0167494921404cfed650ad2ed
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> then run the tarball script
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> 95% of that commit is there
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> but
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> muon/main.cpp don't got no codename: http://i.imgur.com/OLz8s.png
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> there was no commit when it was ever just that either
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> It went from "1.1.0 \"Bullish Bandril\""; to "1.1.65 \"Caustic Carrionite\""; with nothing in between
[18:12] <apachelogger> version magic overrides
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> I have no clue where the plain "1.1.65" is coming from
[18:12] <apachelogger> from the script
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> oh
[18:12] <apachelogger> check your custom function
[18:12] <apachelogger> it probably edits the main.cpp to hold the version numba
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> I'll just get rid of that function
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> doesn't really help anyways
[18:13] <c2tarun> Riddell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/581234/
[18:16] <Riddell> c2tarun: lovely
[18:16] <c2tarun> Riddell, finally :) ok I'll upload it with the bug
[18:18] <c2tarun> Riddell, are there some other small bugs in which only packaging work is needed? So that I can work on them?
[18:23] <Riddell> c2tarun: bug 612682 maybe
[18:24] <Riddell> needs backporting to previous releases I expect
[18:24] <c2tarun> well can we  backport security releases?
[18:25] <Riddell> the minimal patch should be found if possible
[18:26] <c2tarun> Riddell, ok I'll look into it :) thanks 
[18:26] <Riddell> oh it's fixed released
[18:26] <Riddell> so it's probably already done
[18:26] <c2tarun> Riddell, not for maverick.
[18:26] <Riddell> right
[18:28] <c2tarun> Riddell, but this CVE tracker says that 2010-2785 does not affect maverick and natty so how can there be a fix released for natty?
[18:30] <c2tarun> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/kvirc.html
[18:30] <Riddell> it's just how the guy marked it on the tracker, probably not entirely correct to do so
[18:31] <c2tarun> ok, so I should grab the patch for other two security issues and build a security version for maverick :) ok, I'll do it tomorrow
[18:31] <Riddell> assuming it affects maverick
[18:32] <c2tarun> Riddell, ok, from where can I look for the bugs related to packaging?
[18:33] <Riddell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs maybe
[18:43] <apachelogger> rofl
[18:43] <apachelogger> jono just noticed that wiki.ubuntu.com is crap
[18:43] <apachelogger> he must use it a lot
[18:45] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[19:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Of course.  It's ~fully bootstrapped in Debian already.
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[19:13] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: where are my troopers?
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: what troopers where? :P:P
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> I'm working on it.
[19:13] <apachelogger> this takes forever
[19:13]  * apachelogger is almost out of vodka Oo
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> Out of vodka??!!
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> Hold the presses... come over here.. I have plenty
[19:14] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: when it comes to packaging and translations work on the docs lemme know when you do it... i would like to be a part of that to gleen some info
[21:16] <apachelogger> dantti: pingy
[21:18] <claydoh> was at work already, just got home
[21:18] <claydoh> hah not that anyone cares :) wrong channel
[21:35] <ScottK> claydoh: We always care about you.
[21:38] <claydoh> ScottK: maybe not if i just ot home from werk tho, ot was rather boring
[21:38] <claydoh> :)
[21:38] <ScottK> Not any less boring than apachelogger pinging people that aren't here.
[21:38] <claydoh> err maybe no the fact that I just got home, tho. But it is much apprecistrd
[21:39] <claydoh> err
[21:39]  * claydoh removes keyboard cover
[21:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: would you rather have me tell you how I wanna throw up from all the cookies and vodka?
[21:40] <sabdfl> aieee
[21:40] <claydoh> my keys are now naked
[21:40] <ScottK> No, but it would be less boring.
[21:40] <ScottK> Hello sabdfl.
[21:40] <sabdfl> timing is everything :-)
[21:40] <sabdfl> how are you all
[21:40] <claydoh> sure is :)
[21:42]  * claydoh is fine actually boring days at the restaurant are always good
[21:42]  * ScottK is glad to be a bystander in the Unity/Gnome Shell discussion.
[21:45]  * Riddell is mostly recovered from Indian food
[21:46] <Riddell> infact, I think I fancy a curry
[21:46] <maco> mmm curry
[21:46] <apachelogger> that reminded me of little britain just now
[21:47] <Riddell> not a programme I've ever watched
[21:47] <maco> oh it's a show?
[21:47] <maco> nigel keeps joking that i eat so much curry they're going to have to adopt me
[21:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: didn't miss much there
[21:49]  * apachelogger watches an episode of golden girls before bed
[21:50] <Riddell> I need new speakers to get good music from my computer, any recommendations?
[22:00]  * Riddell is watching "Javascript for people who know Python
[22:00] <Riddell> I never realised what an ugly language javascript is
[22:03] <apachelogger> and you say that in comparision with pyth0rn?
[22:03] <apachelogger> boy you are brave
[22:03] <apachelogger> :P
[22:03]  * apachelogger hugs Riddell
[22:41] <Riddell> curious e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/7451/
[22:52] <debfx> lol, he likes being dramatic
[22:54] <debfx> Riddell: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt says that kdesvn-kio-plugins needs to be promoted to main but it is just an alternate dependency of kdesdk
[22:54] <debfx> any idea why?
[22:55] <Riddell> is that bug 730763 ?
[22:56] <Riddell> I guess component-mismatches likes all alternates in main?
[22:56] <debfx> yes, I've committed a fix to bzr but I wonder if it should be reverted
[22:57] <debfx> hm kipi-plugins recommends imagemagick | graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat
[22:57] <debfx> graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat is in universe but it doesn't complain about that
[22:58] <Riddell> probably needs a cjwatson to explain then
[22:59] <Riddell> kdesvn-kio-plugins is in our blacklisted seed so obviously we've had this issue before
[23:03] <debfx> yes, maybe it's just a bug in component-mismatch