[00:10] <_Sophia__> sorry, i missed what was said to me, had to restart since comp froze :O
[00:12] <_Sophia__> X_X
[00:28] <Daskreech> _Sophia__: are you still here?
[00:28] <_Sophia__> yep yep
[00:28] <yask> yeh
[00:29] <_Sophia__> installed ruby
[00:29] <_Sophia__> installing gedit lol
[00:29] <Daskreech> >_>
[00:29] <Daskreech> _Sophia__: kate
[00:29] <Daskreech> :)
[00:29] <Daskreech> yask: Hi
[00:29] <yask> hi
[00:32] <Daskreech> yask: What IRC client are you using?
[00:32] <Daskreech> Quassel?
[00:33] <_Sophia__> no gedit
[00:33] <_Sophia__> because gedit is close to textmate
[00:34] <Daskreech> How so?
[00:34] <_Sophia__> it just is O_O
[00:34] <_Sophia__> and textmate is like the best thing ever for RoR
[00:34] <james147> _Sophia__: but kate is sooo much better then gedit
[00:34] <Daskreech> <_<
[00:35] <Daskreech> Give me more than that please :)
[00:35] <james147> _Sophia__: give it a try :) you might end up liking it more
[00:35] <_Sophia__> eh
[00:35] <_Sophia__> official RoR team recommends textmate
[00:35] <_Sophia__> so i should try something close to that x.x
[00:35] <_Sophia__> syntax highlighting and stuff too ;o
[00:36] <james147> _Sophia__: kate can do all that ^^
[00:36] <shane4ubuntu> _Sophia__: he he, nano can do syntax highlighting
[00:36] <james147> _Sophia__: its much more powerful then gedit
[00:36] <Daskreech> _Sophia__: kate does all that and has a terminal built in
[00:36] <Daskreech> I don't know about much
[00:36] <_Sophia__> ugh
[00:36]  * james147 dosnt know a linux text editor that CANT do syntax hilighting
[00:36] <Daskreech> but it's much nicer :)
[00:36] <_Sophia__> i haven't seen kate recommended for ruby development
[00:36] <Daskreech> james147: nano I'll bet :)
[00:36] <_Sophia__> so for now i'll go with what developers recommend ;o
[00:37] <james147> _Sophia__: thats probally because most people use gnome...
[00:37] <shane4ubuntu> Daskreech: no, nano does text highlighting
[00:37] <james147> _Sophia__: but if your using kde then kate is way better :)
[00:37] <Daskreech> _Sophia__: Try kate for a week and if you don't like it then try gedit but it's much nicer :)
[00:37] <Daskreech> shane4ubuntu: Are you kidding? serious?
[00:37] <shane4ubuntu> Daskreech: serious
[00:37] <_Sophia__> x.x
[00:37] <_Sophia__> i'll look it up
[00:37] <_Sophia__> but i'm starting with gedit ;o!
[00:37] <shane4ubuntu> I use it, and text highlighting, you have to configure it though, but once setup, nice
[00:37] <Daskreech> _Sophia__: Listen to the peer pressure :)
[00:38] <shane4ubuntu> Daskreech: I still like and use Kate too though
[00:38] <shane4ubuntu> Kate Kate Kate
[00:38] <shane4ubuntu> here us chanting
[00:38] <Daskreech> Yeah Kate is right up there with Konqueror for ridiculously cool tooks
[00:38] <Daskreech> tools
[00:38] <james147> _Sophia__: kate should be installed by default, just launch is and see :0
[00:38] <yask> hello i am bioinformatcian for programming kate is best
[00:38] <Daskreech> :)
[00:39] <Daskreech> yask: try and join irc.mozilla.org You can get a lot of help with firefox issues there
[00:39] <james147> does gedit do anything more complicated then syntax highlighting and tabed editing?
[00:39] <_Sophia__> i can see
[00:39] <yask> thanks <daskreech>
[00:39] <_Sophia__> but i know gedit can be edited to be like textmate ;o
[00:39] <james147> ^^ quite basic for a linux editor :p
[00:40] <yask> it is better to use vim than to use gedit
[00:41] <Daskreech> james147: It's not
[00:41] <james147> Daskreech: probally just havent used it enough then :)
[00:41] <Daskreech> Gedit is pretty capable but it goes to great lengths to hide it
[00:41] <james147> Daskreech: tend to use vim over gui editors :p
[00:42] <Daskreech> vim is cool but it's no textmate :)
[00:42] <Daskreech> _Sophia__: Kate is textmatee
[00:42] <james147> Daskreech: whats so good about textmate?
[00:42] <yask> yep but if you have errors and you want find loop end kate is better
[00:43] <yask> than it has command line just bellw
[00:43] <Daskreech> apachelogger: as resident ruby ninja can we get some backup here? :)
[00:44] <apachelogger> oggy oggy oggy
[00:44]  * apachelogger returns to watching golden girls
[00:44] <Daskreech> apachelogger: ha ha ha
[00:44] <Daskreech> Which is better for ruby Kate or Gedit? in your humble opinion apachelogger?
[00:44] <apachelogger> vim
[00:44] <Daskreech> we said that already
[00:45] <Daskreech> but from the two choices
[00:45]  * apachelogger notes that both kate and gedit are both horrible at rooooby
[00:45] <Daskreech> equally?
[00:45] <apachelogger> well, depends on what one expects to get
[00:46] <Daskreech> Rails
[00:46] <Daskreech> no wait
[00:46] <apachelogger> that does not specify requirements :P
[00:46] <Daskreech> textmate
[00:46] <apachelogger> that also does not specify requirements :P
[00:46] <Daskreech> _Sophia__: what do you want to do with Rails?
[00:47] <apachelogger> nono
[00:47] <apachelogger> the question should be "how do you want to do rails development" :P
[00:48] <_Sophia__> web development, of course
[00:48]  * apachelogger notes that kate is generally the better solution for anything that is more envolved as you could technically write your own small plugin/script thingies to do database deployments and restart rails and stuff...
[00:49] <apachelogger> if you do not need that, any editor is as good (or bad) an option
[00:49] <apachelogger> both gedit and kate do highlighting and stuff
[00:50] <Daskreech> _Sophia__: what about textmate do you want?
[00:50] <apachelogger> ah, finally he is asking the right questions :P
[00:50] <apachelogger> highlight me when you can ask me something I can answer :P
[00:50]  * apachelogger really returns to golden girls
[00:50] <yask> have someone used gmate plug in
[00:50] <yask> ???
[00:51] <_Sophia__> black background, flexible syntax highlighting, nice looking buttons, interactive mode within editor
[00:52] <Daskreech> >_>
[00:52] <Daskreech> _Sophia__: that describes kate far more than it describes Gedit
[00:56]  * apachelogger could watch golden girls all night 
[00:56] <zroday117> hola
[00:56] <apachelogger> Daskreech, _Sophia__: http://identi.ca/notice/57884874
[00:57] <_Sophia__> o_O
[00:58] <Daskreech> apachelogger: ha ha of course :)
[00:58] <Daskreech> _Sophia__: see? Kate is much closer to textmate
[01:04] <wagner> everyone brazilian??
[01:05] <zroday117>  #ubuntu-es
[01:28] <shane4ubuntu> hmmm, ffmpeg -i file.avi -acodec libfaac -ab 128k -ac 2 -vcodec libx264 -vpre slow -crf 22 file.mp4  says libfaac isn't compatible???  Incompatible sample format 'u8' for codec 'libfaac', auto-selecting format 's16'
[01:28] <shane4ubuntu> I have been using that for all my MOV files to convert them to mp4, so only AVI?
[01:28] <Daskreech> Probably. What codec is the AVI using?
[01:29] <shane4ubuntu> Daskreech: hmm, not sure
[01:29] <shane4ubuntu> Stream #0.0: Video: libx264, yuv420p, 640x480, q=0-69, 200 kb/s, 90k tbn, 30 tbc   Daskreech
[01:30] <shane4ubuntu> Daskreech: Stream #0.0: Video: mjpeg, yuvj422p, 640x480, 30 tbr, 30 tbn, 30 tbc
[01:30] <shane4ubuntu>     Stream #0.1: Audio: pcm_u8, 8000 Hz, 1 channels, u8, 64 kb/s
[01:30] <shane4ubuntu> that is it, the second one is the Audio, so it apparently is using pcm_u8, 8000Hz
[01:31] <Dekk-lappy> removing 266 meg of gnome stuff
[01:31] <Dekk-lappy> oops 366
[01:32] <Dekk-lappy> hope everything still works
[01:33] <Daskreech> Dekk-lappy: :)
[01:33] <Daskreech> Dekk-lappy: Do you know how to get into a desktop if you don't boot into X?
[01:33] <shane4ubuntu> Dekk-lappy: did you already reboot after re-configuring the kdm
[01:33] <shane4ubuntu> ?
[01:37] <Dekk-lappy> yep
[01:38] <Dekk-lappy> its fine
[01:38] <Dekk-lappy> oh..startx?
[01:39] <Dekk-lappy> now i need to find a nice login screen image..the default looks like it belongs on an XO
[01:41] <Dekk-lappy> anyone here over 50?
[01:43] <Daskreech> Yes
[01:43] <Dekk-lappy> no way
[01:43] <Dekk-lappy> lol
[01:51] <Daskreech> :)
[01:51] <Daskreech> quite a number actually
[02:24] <cjae> anyone got the flickering flash yet?
[02:36] <dustin> hey daskreech :)
[02:37] <Daskreech> hi
[02:37] <dustin> anyone got time to maybe walk me through a small problem im haveing "i wanna in gnome extract a file to a folder that contains "openarena" but it says i dont have the right file permissions" how do i go about getting them and could ya help me with the extracting see the trouble is i need sudo but i dunno know how to extract/unzip through the terminal. anyone help ?
[02:37] <dustin> how you doing tonight
[02:37] <dustin> :)
[02:38] <james147> dustin: why do you need sudo to extract? where are you extracting to?
[02:39] <bravo> saludos a todos
[02:41] <dustin> the .8 patch needs to be put in the original folder so it will overwrite the current one i guess
[02:43] <james147> dustin: what are you trying to do exactly? I have never seen a need for extracting to need root prevliges (suggest your doing something wrong if you do)
[02:44] <ScottyK> Hello! How do I update the kernel from the command line? For some reason, Kpackagekit isn't doing it.
[02:45] <dustin> no its for the the game folder
[02:45] <dustin> 1sec ill explain brb
[02:45] <james147> ScottyK: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" << waht will upgrade all your packages to their latest verison
[02:46] <ScottyK> James - still not catching it. What is the repository? Maybe I don't have it included
[02:46] <mashizzel> anyone.. usb headset works great for desktop apps.. dragon player video Amarok audio. Firefox youtube.. no sound
[02:47] <mashizzel> not sure how to trouble shoot sound when it works for everything but Firefox youtube videos
[02:48] <james147> ScottyK: what makes you think you dont ahve the latest?
[02:48] <mashizzel> everything but sound through my browser, more specifically
[02:48] <dustin> alright james im back. okay here's the deal i downled the openarena patch and the install manual says to extract it to the folder with the "arena crap into it" but when i tried to it said i need the root file permission to do it" i dont know why or come
[02:48] <ScottyK> The kids kubuntu box grabs every kernel update no problem, but the notebook here is stuck on -22
[02:48] <dustin> im starting to hate gnome more and more.
[02:49] <james147> dustin: extract to the installed location? ... that dosnt sound right... most patches are applied to the source code, before you compile it ^^ which you shouldnt do as root
[02:50] <dustin> never compiled it dont think or no how to ?
[02:50] <james147> dustin: what patch?
[02:50] <Daskreech> ScottyK: it's the main repo. You pretty much have to have it
[02:50] <dustin> i dont know how to do this on linux i guess so its all new and greek to me. its a patch supposedly for openarena .8.0 something or another.
[02:51] <Daskreech> dustin: You made the openarena folder with root?
[02:51] <Daskreech> ScottyK: can you pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[02:51] <ScottyK> Daskreech - strange then. I just found that I can manually update it with sudo apt-get install linux-image-x.x.x-xx, but it won't automatically update it.
[02:51] <dustin> no i just dled that game from my package manager and it installed it for me
[02:52] <ScottyK> daskreech - sure hold on..
[02:52] <Daskreech> dustin: What is the path you are extracting it to?
[02:52] <dustin> hmm lemme look quick afk a sec
[02:52] <james147> dustin: give the link to the guide
[02:52] <Daskreech> dustin: <_< if you got it from your package manager why are you applying manual patches?
[02:53] <dustin> it gives me skin errors and such sometimes while im playing so i figured it was similair to a upgrade
[02:54] <Daskreech> Might be
[02:54] <Daskreech> what's the patch do?
[02:54] <dustin> okay well here's the route it leads back to
[02:55] <dustin> Dc  alien-arena  dopewars  gbrainy  gnome-sudoku  gnomine  kildclient  laby  mahjongg  openarena  openarena-server  penn  quadrapassel  sol  tinymux
[02:55] <dustin> dustin@ubuntu:/usr/games$ cd openarena
[02:55] <dustin> bash: cd: openarena: Not a directory
[02:55] <dustin> dustin@ubuntu:/usr/games$ ls openarena-server
[02:55] <FloodBotK2> dustin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:55] <ScottyK> Daskreech - PM you? Don't want to flood the channel
[02:55] <Daskreech> !pastebin
[02:55] <xjjk> hi, is anyone else having nepomuk crashes with KDE 4.6.1 on maverck?
[02:55] <james147> ScottyK: best to talk here, so others can read an help
[02:56] <Daskreech> james147: he wanted to paste file contents heree
[02:56] <james147> ^^ missed that bit :)
[02:57] <ScottyK> it's ok, I saw the paste URL posted above
[02:57] <ScottyK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/580905
[02:58] <ScottyK> Ok that was pretty cool!
[02:58] <Daskreech> ScottyK: I can make it even cooler but lets just let this bask for a while :)
[02:58] <ScottyK> LOL
[03:00] <Daskreech> ScottyK: yeah you seem ok should update
[03:00] <Daskreech> Maybe force a update from kpackage next time. I think it may be lazy about it though I don't know why that would be so
[03:01] <ScottyK> Daskreech - thanks for checking. I found the manual update command, so I'll just use that when .38 drops down.
[03:02] <Daskreech> ScottyK: you can click on updates in Kpackagekit and in theory it should do the same thing
[03:02] <Daskreech> but hey working is working
[03:02] <Daskreech> Most of the time in Linux there is more than one way to do something :)
[03:02] <Daskreech> So multiple ways to break things! :) but at least there is a path to get things done.
[03:03] <Daskreech> Yes I'm throwing words at you Cursed Awful Windows update one bad package forces a reinstall of the operating system :-p
[03:04] <ScottyK> That is nice about linux, I had a bad kernel update, just backed to the previous kernel and pressed on.
[03:06] <xjjk> that's also bad about Linux
[03:06] <xjjk> why did you have a bad kernel update
[03:08] <Daskreech> xjjk: that's fantastic. What are you talking about?
 That is nice about linux, I had a bad kernel update, just backed to the previous kernel and pressed on.
[03:09] <Daskreech> Right that's a great thing.
[03:09] <xjjk> why did he have a bad kernel update?
[03:10] <xjjk> there's an implication there that it was unexpected
[03:11] <Daskreech> Well yes
[03:11] <Daskreech> but  all software has bugs
[03:11] <Daskreech> Worse all platforms unless very very tightly maintained which is nowhere near the situation here
[03:12] <xjjk> yes, but unless you're running a bleeding edge version of the kernel you should be well isolated from that
[03:12] <Daskreech> How?
[03:12] <xjjk> isn't that the point of all the testing Ubuntu supposedly does
[03:12] <xjjk> and the decision to stick with one stable kernel?
[03:12] <Daskreech> Any new release of the kernel would be some indication of something changing
[03:12] <Daskreech> Otherwise I hope they wouldn't make a release
[03:13] <xjjk> I dont know
[03:13] <Daskreech> For a kernel that will probably mean some drivers or hardware interfaces have changed
[03:13] <xjjk> I see Ubuntu kernel updates
[03:13] <xjjk> all 3 version numbers are the same
[03:13] <xjjk> and no idea why they're updating
[03:14] <Daskreech> so stands to reason that the testing will ensure that most people will have a better experience
[03:14] <Daskreech> but some changes may break for some small configurations
[03:14] <Daskreech> xjjk: It's cause there was code change :)
[03:14] <Daskreech> Well not true
[03:14] <james147> xjjk: security updates that ubuntu patches to that version of the kernel
[03:14] <Daskreech> From Ubuntu it could be a package change
[03:14] <xjjk> james147: yes, exactly
[03:14] <xjjk> very rarely should security updates cause some kind of breakage
[03:15] <xjjk> that you need to go back to a previous kernel
[03:15] <Daskreech> they can mak a package and then have something be missing but for the most part it's security updates
[03:15] <james147> xjjk: could also be a bad dl... or some other random error
[03:15] <xjjk> james147: maybe
[03:16] <Daskreech> In any case anything new has some changes which means there is a chance it will break. For a kernel that's really bad but it's always a chance
[03:16] <Daskreech> being able to just select what you were using that did work is absolutely great
[03:17] <james147> xjjk: point is... it can happen (to any os) and its nice that on linux its easy to revocer  ... more then once I have had to reinstall due to a windows update gone wrong :p
[03:17] <Daskreech> Windows model is so wrong
[03:17] <Daskreech> makes them put out updates much slower
[03:17] <Daskreech> makes recovery so much harder
[03:18] <Daskreech> makes testing a pain
[03:18] <james147> Daskreech: there model is right for them... they want money, it makes them that :p
[03:18] <Daskreech> The only reason it has any redeeming value is that you have to pay for it
[03:18] <Daskreech> Oh wait. That's not a good reason to have it at all for me.
[03:19] <Daskreech> Horrible model
[03:19] <james147> Daskreech: its not good for you, but it is for them, thats why they have it and your using linux :D
[03:19] <Daskreech> james147: but people PREFER using that model
[03:19] <DarthFrog> And why Bill Gatus of Borg has more money than he knows what to do with.
[03:20] <Daskreech> Mostly businesses but oh why?
[03:20] <james147> O_O ahh, my server is fianlly useing its swap space... (a while 8mb of it....)
[03:20] <DarthFrog> Because its familiar, has a trained work force and it works.
[03:20] <Daskreech> james147: how much RAM?
[03:20] <james147> Daskreech: no, businusses prefure it... and most people dont care
[03:20] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: No. not the ecosystem. The model
[03:21] <Tuki-dides_> Hi, can somebody help me? I'm gonna buy a laptop and I don't know what is the right hardware for GNU/Linux?
[03:21] <james147> Daskreech: 2 gigs (+swap) and its currently rendering a minecraft world :D
[03:21] <Daskreech> james147: lol :)
[03:21] <Daskreech> Tuki-dides_: what are you getting the laptop to do?
[03:21] <james147> Tuki-dides_: i find asus are good
[03:22] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: The model is a familiar one to other businesses.  THey understand it and can work with it.  We're the long-haired smellies, trying to push low quality crap on them.
[03:22] <DarthFrog> i.e. If it's free, it can't be any good.
[03:22] <Daskreech> Communists
[03:23] <Tuki-dides_> I'm a programmer but sometimes I play Urban Terror
[03:23]  * james147 likes the fact that that idea is slowly changeing... 
[03:23] <Tuki-dides_> Now I program with emacs because my computer is so old
[03:24] <c2tarun> Tuki-dides_, is Urban Terror is an OpenSource code game?
[03:24] <Tuki-dides_> i can't use Netbeans because it eats all the RAM
[03:24] <james147> Tuki-dides_: you should be using vim :) and why would you even think about netbeans :p
[03:24] <james147> Tuki-dides_: how much ram do you currently have?
[03:25] <Tuki-dides_> 1024 MB
[03:26] <james147> Tuki-dides_: should be plenty for programming ^^
[03:26] <james147> Tuki-dides_: but if you want a new computer i recomend getting one with 2+ gigs
[03:27] <Tuki-dides_> I must confess Urban Terror is not free software because the art game is propetary
[03:27] <Tuki-dides_> I can install netbeans but it work slow
[03:27] <james147> Tuki-dides_: asus make good computers ^^ i would recomend looking at them for a new computer
[03:28] <james147> Tuki-dides_: i suggest you dont use netbeans ^^ you coding in java?
[03:28] <Tuki-dides_> 50% Java, 50% PHP
[03:29]  * james147 hasnt found a decent ide for java appart from kate/vim :)
[03:30] <Tuki-dides_> I Belong to the One True Church: The Emacs church
[03:30] <Tuki-dides_> :-)
[03:30] <Daskreech> james147: Emacs :-p
[03:30] <james147> :p
[03:31] <Daskreech> james147: Eclipse for Java?
[03:31]  * james147 hates eclipse with a passion
[03:32] <Tuki-dides_> now, I don't know what kind of graphic card is well suported for GNU/Linux?
[03:32] <DarthFrog> Tuki-dides_: ATI
[03:32] <james147> Tuki-dides_: intel are very well supported :) but not the best for gaming
[03:32] <james147> Tuki-dides_: nvidia are also quite good
[03:33] <jiangtao> game?
[03:33] <Tuki-dides_> because I have a ATI graphic and I didn't have a good experience
[03:33] <jiangtao> linux not for game
[03:33] <Tuki-dides_> ATI Radeon Xpress 1100
[03:33] <DarthFrog> jiangtao: Have a look at PlaysOnLinux.  It's a wine utilty for gaming.
[03:34] <james147> Daskreech: more of a generic front end to wine that tends to focus on gaming :p
[03:35] <merma> http://www.gsick.com/kde/
[03:35] <DarthFrog> Tuki-dides_: I have an ATI 5770, it's very well supported.
[03:36]  * james147 finds that the cards in laptops tend to be less well supported
[03:36] <Daskreech> Tuki-dides_: I'll go out on a limb and say anything you get in a laptop will be supported for videocards
[03:36] <james147> ^^ well the ati and nvidia ones... the intel ones work great
[03:36] <Daskreech> They are not very cutting edge and will likely have some support. Perhaps not the greatest of 3d support but Openarena will run on any laptop card
[03:37] <Daskreech> perhaps not the greatest as I said :)
[03:37] <Daskreech>  if you want much more detailed info you can join #phoronix
[03:37] <Daskreech> wear flammable underwear
[03:38] <Tuki-dides_> Thanks, I read some Phoronix's post before
[03:39] <Daskreech> Yeah very in depth crowd
[03:39] <Daskreech> saved my sanity at a time when I was looking for Hardware sites that used linux
[03:39] <Daskreech> But very polarised
[03:39] <DarthFrog> Oh, so they have an opinion? :-)
[03:40] <Daskreech> However with the exception of NVidia they also know what will be coming up for Video card drivers, features and support
[03:40] <jiangtao> aber fea software on linux
[03:41] <Daskreech> So good resource. The ATI and Intel devs post on their forums and answer questions so they are quite aware of the near future
[03:41] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: I don't get the question :)
[03:42] <Daskreech> But mention that one manufacturer is better in linux than the other and prepare for a day of back and forth of history and stories
[03:42] <jiangtao> any suggestion on finite element for linux
[03:44] <Daskreech> jiangtao: can you repeat th question?
[03:45] <jiangtao> fea on lonux odre High Performance Computing
[03:45] <jiangtao> odre
[03:48] <Tuki-dides_> are you looking for finite element software in Linux ?
[03:50] <Daskreech> Tuki-dides_: May have to ask again :)
[03:51] <Tuki-dides_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_finite_element_software_packages
[03:51] <jiangtao> have found some ,for example z88 , but not so good
[03:52] <Tuki-dides_> there is a Free/Open Software Section
[03:56] <jiangtao> danke
[04:44] <dustin> tocos?
[05:17] <mashizzel> Can someone give me some guidance? Not handholding, just some suggestions, tips
[05:18] <mashizzel> I just installed Kubuntu 10.10 and got everything tweaked. Now I notice that it wants to update almost every package.
[05:19] <mashizzel> I'm afraid to update.. especially xorg and all that stuff.
[05:19] <mashizzel> Is Kubuntu going to over write everything I just got done getting to work?
[05:20] <mashizzel> took me forever to get sound working correctly.. flash working with audio and now updates. 204updates
[05:21] <Daskreech> mashizzel: What did you do to make it want to update all of that?
[05:21] <mashizzel> lol.. Fresh install
[05:21] <Daskreech> mashizzel: it's very unlikely that things will wipe out what you have changed
[05:21] <james147> mashizzel: you should update ^^ and it shouldnt touch config files (the only things you should be editing) so shouldnt undo your work
[05:22] <mashizzel> Daskreech: My main concern is Xorg.conf.
[05:22] <james147> mashizzel: but for future, its normally best to update first thing after an install :) to avoid such problems completely
[05:22] <Daskreech> mashizzel: back up xorg.conf if you are worried
[05:23] <james147> mashizzel: there is no Xorg.conf by default... and just back it up if your worried
[05:23] <Daskreech> but that's probably the least likely thing to change
[05:23] <james147> mashizzel: normally the packagemanager wont replace config files without asking you first,
[05:23] <mashizzel> hehehe.. thanks for the advice.. you don't know how much better I feel now.
[05:24] <james147> mashizzel: linux distros tend to be designed to not undo your config files when updating :) that would just increase hassel
[05:24] <Daskreech> mashizzel: If you have done any editing on a config file that wants to be replaced it will stop and ask you what you want to do and offer to compare the files that you are getting to the one that you edited
[05:25] <Daskreech> More explictly it assumes you know what you are doing and allows you to make a choice if there is any chance you might know more than your computer
[05:26] <mashizzel> sweet.. well I'm used to Gentoo.. This has been a walk in the park so far. Really like Kubuntu.
[05:26] <mashizzel> For the most part Kubuntu has just worked.. I need to get used to the packaging system
[05:26] <Daskreech> lol :)
[05:27] <Daskreech> Well seeing as how Gentoo was made cause everything else was too hand holding that's not much of a surprise
[05:27] <Daskreech> Kubuntu being an Ubuntu Project doesn't hurt either
[05:28] <Daskreech> though LP is as well and that's not exactly the bastion of easy
[05:29] <mashizzel> I just tried pc-bsd today.. what a friggin nightmare that was.
[05:30] <mashizzel> Kubuntu picks up my wireless, gives me sound, movie player, email.. and it's sexy. ;p
[05:30] <dustin> thanks alot everyone for the help im happy all you guys are around. to help :)
[05:30] <Daskreech> mashizzel: what's wrong with pc-bsd?
[05:32] <mashizzel> the installer is really buggy. Plus if you have a drive that isn't partioned the installer freaks. Doesn't know what to do..heh
[05:32] <mashizzel> So you have to partion the drive before booting off the dvd
[05:32] <mashizzel> *partition
[05:33] <mashizzel> It took forever to install.. like over an hour
[05:33] <mashizzel> and you never know what it's doing if it's doing anything in the background. Basically gotta watch the hdd led
[05:35] <mashizzel> ok Daskreech.. time to do the updates. Here goes nothing. Have a good night. Thanks for the helpful hints :)
[05:35] <Daskreech> mashizzel: :) BSD isn't Linux
[05:36] <mashizzel> never said it was
[05:36] <Daskreech> if you are stepping into it expect more of a hassle just cause of the drivers
[05:36] <Daskreech> and if you are stepping into a system that expects you to fight out driver issues maybe the installer should scare people off :)
[05:37] <mashizzel> trust me.. I'm seasoned. I know all my hardware specs fall within support.. It's not driver issues. IT's development UI issues "their SYSinstaller"
[05:38] <mashizzel> Well it scared me off. Through Kubuntu in... works like a champ... and it's fairly fast. Happy camper
[05:39] <mashizzel> *threw
[05:41] <mashizzel> Daskreech: is it dpkg the one that lets me query what a give package contains. Trying find the command that will give me ......
[05:41] <Daskreech> dpkg -l should yes
[05:41] <mashizzel> dependencies that a give pkg will bring in
[05:41] <mashizzel> given*
[05:41] <Daskreech> apt-cache info package should work as well
[05:41] <Daskreech> I think
[05:41] <Daskreech> >_>
[05:42] <mashizzel> I'll look. Thanks.
[05:42] <Daskreech> mashizzel: might be apt-cache show. sorry little busy right now to check
[05:43] <mashizzel> no worries.. I'll dig into the docs. I don't like the GUI package manager.. yet ;p
[05:43] <mashizzel> cya
[06:49] <akom> hello =)
[06:52] <Daskreech> hi
[07:46] <terry> So is this like the Kubuntu user group or something?
[07:59] <xieyi> I'm using kubuntu 10.10. I found the system tray always has some display problems that it always breaks up and the desktop beneath is shown instead.
[07:59] <xieyi> How to avoid the problem from happening?
[08:01] <xieyi> The problem is so annoying that my the notices from my kopete system tray icon can't be seen.
[08:03] <jiangtao> nautilus failed
[08:04] <xieyi> jiangtao: you mean it is caused by nautilus failure?
[08:06] <jiangtao> ja when open folder contained many files , it fails
[08:07] <xjjk> xieyi: Intel graphics?
[08:07] <xieyi> I'm using nvidia 9300m
[08:08] <xjjk> ah, unsure then
[08:08] <xieyi> jiangtao: nautilus is something in gnome. I don't know
[08:09] <xieyi> so it can't be fixed?
[08:09] <jiangtao> may be
[08:09] <jiangtao> aber yesterday nicht
[08:16] <ucenik23> >?\
[08:16] <ucenik23> zdr
[08:51] <eagles0513875_> valorie: poke :)
[09:16] <rethus> how can i set my tft settings to 60Hz?
[09:16] <rethus> i can only choose automatic or 50Hz
[09:16] <susundberg> tried google?
[09:17] <iff_> hello, excuse me, can I get some help here?
[09:17] <susundberg> well i can try to help
[09:18] <rethus> you tell me to ask google, and will help him - strange ;)
[09:18] <susundberg> Well he havent yet formulated the question -- if its similar then the answear is similar :)
[09:18] <susundberg> you are not the first one to strugle with the referesh rate :)
[09:19] <iff_> thanks. yesterday i installed kubuntu 10.10 on my netbook, and tried to change plasma theme. i chose sabre-tooth theme (macos style), and installed it from choosing themes, and from konsole, but it did not appeared
[09:19] <iff_> oh, netbook is asus eeepc 901
[09:19] <rethus> lol - first ask, than cames the google-answer ;)
[09:21] <iff_> this plasma is killing me. it looks pretty, but i want to change something. and get a normal desktop
[09:24] <susundberg> You can turn it to 'normal' desktop from settings -- right click - layout to "Folder view"
[09:24] <susundberg> but about the theme -- seems like it failed to install to me too
[09:25] <susundberg> ok, seems like other theme got installed ok, so bug should be in the theme
[09:25] <susundberg> and one should report bug from that..
[09:28] <valorie> eagles0513875: sorry, I didn't see your poke
[09:28] <valorie> and now I'm going to bed.....
[09:29] <susundberg> ok and also another theme got installed properly so its only sabre-tooth that is not working properly
[09:31] <iff_> susundberg: thanks, i'll try some another theme. by the way, don't you know some theme for plasma, that will look like mac? :3
[09:31] <susundberg> no sorry.
[09:32] <susundberg> try google ;)
[09:32] <iff_> ok, i'm doing it right now. thanks ^^
[09:33] <susundberg> np! btw: if you really want the sabre-tooth look consider filing a bug report from it
[09:33] <susundberg> (i can confirm the problem if you do that)
[09:34] <iff_> bug reports later, now is a desktop. maybe i've done it wrong, but i have only huge icon of the desktop, and when i click on it, nothing happens
[09:39] <susundberg> with "Desktop" or "Folder view" layout?
[09:39] <iff_> folder view.
[09:41] <susundberg> hmm, if you place file on $home/Desktop it should appear there
[09:41] <susundberg> i guess the desktop icon is for 'show desktop'?
[09:41] <susundberg> (dont know)
[09:44] <iff_> well, i placed file in folder. huge icon still there, but after clicking in bottom left corner appears kinda like menu with a list of files.
[10:17] <eagles0513875_> valorie: hey
[12:55] <Ongavezyr> Ola bruderz, ikonia bruder ola! Pici bruder Ola!
[12:56] <Ongavezyr> msg chx hozsi!
[12:57] <eagles0513875_> Ongavezyr: what language are you looking for
[12:58] <Ongavezyr> eagles0513875_ brotha in english of coz'
[12:58] <eagles0513875_> ok
[12:58] <Ongavezyr> english && few latins:D
[12:58] <Ongavezyr> Da language of TrOlLz
[12:59] <eagles0513875_> !ot | Ongavezyr
[12:59] <Ongavezyr> I am looking for ikonia bruder && Pici bruder asap now!
[12:59] <eagles0513875_> thanks pingveno
[12:59] <eagles0513875_> Pici:  :) thanks
[12:59] <hateball> He found you
[13:00] <Pici> :(
[13:00] <eagles0513875_> O_o hateball
[13:00] <eagles0513875_> Pici: why was he looking for you or ikonia
[13:00] <Pici> eagles0513875_: He was looking to be annoying
[13:00] <eagles0513875_> ahh
[13:11] <BluesKaj> howdy
[13:54] <way> hi!
[13:55] <BluesKaj> hi way :)
[13:55] <eagles0513875_> lol hi way = highway haha
[13:58] <BluesKaj> he took the hiway
[13:58] <eagles0513875_> lol
[14:24] <shane4ubuntu> Ok, this is EXTREMELY annoying I want my Num Lock to be locked on all the time, no matter what happens.  Every time I go to use it, it is off!  Arggh
[14:30] <shane4ubuntu> Ok, now I have set it (Num Lock) to be on in system settings, however the light isn't on to indicate that it is on???  123456789
[14:33] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, mine didn't either , until the next reboot
[14:33] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: I set it, then reboot, and it didn't come on, do I need to reboot again?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, , well if it works then don't fret over a light :)
[14:35] <shane4ubuntu> well, the light is a nice visual to tell me it is on, although I can't always see the light at a glance it would seem as though it is off, minor I know, but drives me buggy
[14:36] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, once set it stays that way , no worries
[14:36] <shane4ubuntu> do I need numlockx?  I found that via google, it is in the repos
[14:37] <shane4ubuntu> let me try a reboot, then if that doesn't do it, numlockx and another reboot
[14:37] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, dunno, it's an option I guess , if it doesn't do what you want, then remove it.
[14:38] <BluesKaj> hi Daskreech , shane is panicking over his numberlock indicator light
[14:39] <BluesKaj> :)
[14:55] <shane4ubuntu> hmm, no luck either way, I think it is still a bug, and that bugs me. :)
[14:57] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, does hitting the number lock key turn the light on ?
[14:58] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: yep, turns the light on, and num lock off.
[14:58] <Anubis> hi there
[14:58] <Anubis> i want to know if there is a way to stop akonadi
[14:58] <shane4ubuntu> I installed numlockx and turned it on and off via that, and didn't touch the light, so now I have it set correctly, num lock on and light on
[15:00] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, try updating your keyboard in "input devices"
[15:01] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: that is where I set it the first time, to have it on, and that didn't work (num lock was on, but the light wasn't)  I checked the BIOS too, nothing there.
[15:08] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, heh, my wireless KB isn't listed , so it defaultd to generic, but it seems to work ok.
[15:10] <shane4ubuntu> just a weird problem, it only gets on my nerves when I start typing numbers and find my the num lock isn't on.
[15:14] <BluesKaj> no key lights  on here of any type , saves battery power Iguess
[15:15] <genii-around> shane4ubuntu: Seems to be this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/numlockx/+bug/218202 which last few entries indicates still affects Maverick and even Natty
[15:23] <shane4ubuntu> genii-around: well, I guess if that is my biggest bug, I can live with that.
[15:23] <shane4ubuntu> genii-around: BluesKaj thanks for the info.
[15:24] <ua> hello everybody
[15:24] <ua> need help please
[15:24] <BluesKaj> ua, just ask your question
[15:25] <ua> i don't how to pu my ip in static with kubuntu, can u help me?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ua, do mean static on your network instead of dhcp
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:27] <ua> yes i do
[15:29] <BluesKaj> ua , open /etc/network/interfaces , auto etho , then below that , iface eth0 inet static , this tutorail can help : http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[15:30] <alsitnet> you name is andreas, as alsitnet
[15:31] <BluesKaj> alsitnet, ?
[15:31] <ua> ok thank you, i am testing
[15:31] <ua> but in Gui , i don't know how to make my ip static, dhcp is by deafault
[15:32] <BluesKaj> ua, in network manager? , sorry I've forgotten ..I don't use it on ethernet
[15:33] <BluesKaj> it's by default in network manager , altho i think there's a static option
[15:35] <yofel> there's a manual option in the last tab of the connection settings
[15:36] <yofel> I haven't actually gotten NM to actually use that for wired connections though
[15:36] <yofel> it always sticks to 'auto eth0'
[15:36] <yofel> so I'm now using static settings too in interfaces
[15:37] <BluesKaj> yofel, I just remove NM , and use static settings in the network interfaces file for ethernet
[15:38] <yofel> yep, me too, that's the most reliable choice for wired settings if you don't want DHCP
[15:39] <BluesKaj> dhcp isn't necessary with ethernet
[15:46] <Anubis> so, is there a way to stop akonadi server ?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> disable it in system settings, Anubis
[15:50] <Anubis> BluesKaj: i'm in system settings but i don't see akonadi
[15:54] <DarthFrog> Anubis: It's Desktop Search.
[15:55] <Anubis> DarthFrog: ohhh :))
[15:55] <Anubis> but nepomuk/strigi server is stopped
[15:57] <Anubis> i have this in console :/usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource --identifier akonadi_contacts_resource_0
[15:57] <DarthFrog> Undt zo?
[16:00] <BluesKaj> Anubis, open akonadi in the runbox , to see if it's in use
[16:01] <BluesKaj> Anubis, I have nepomuk turned off in system settings / autostart/service manager
[16:03] <BluesKaj> Anubis, alt+f2 = krunner , run command , runbox ..all the same thing
[16:05] <Anubis> BluesKaj: i killed the akonadi server. i hope that it want start again when my computer reboot
[16:06] <phox> hi.  does the kubuntu livecd have a 'toram' type option, so I can boot a bunch of machines off one disc?
[16:09] <DarthFrog> phox: I don't think so.  I've not come across that.
[16:09] <phox> lame.  =/
[16:09] <phox> kind of a waste of CDs
[16:10] <phox> or DVDs in this case
[16:10] <DarthFrog> phox:  The intent of the DVD is to install Kubuntu.
[16:10] <phox> seems to be intended to also be a livecd
[16:11] <BluesKaj> gawd they're a buck apeice , how nmany pcs phox?
[16:12] <phox> BluesKaj: half a dozen or so.  except we don't do this often, and running things from RAM is far more responsive, and...
[16:12] <phox> if I'd be using them more than once in the following year I wouldn't feel so bad about it but...
[16:12] <BluesKaj>  Anubis , uncheck nepomuk in system settings / autostart/service manager , click apply
[16:12] <Anubis> checked already
[16:13] <BluesKaj> uncheck
[16:13] <Anubis> unchecked
[16:13] <phox> checked
[16:13] <Anubis> check mate
[16:14] <Anubis> :))
[16:14] <phox> ;<
[16:14] <phox> =[
[16:27]  * BluesKaj doesn't see the point of nepomuk for home desktop pcs
[16:28] <BluesKaj> or laptops for that matter
[16:31]  * DarthFrog doesn't see the need for nepomuk.
[16:31] <DarthFrog> But that could be because I don't know what it does, other than get in the way and annoy me.
[16:32] <BluesKaj> it's a file indexer/serch app
[16:32] <BluesKaj> pita imo
[16:33] <BluesKaj> uses up resources for no reson
[16:33] <BluesKaj> /me pounds the A key
[16:35] <BluesKaj> too many coffee drips on this KB , needs to get the sugar etc dissolved
[16:35] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  Oh, I know that it's a indexer/search utility.  But all that it does AFAICT is get in the way using ALt-F2.  That's supposed to be Run Command, not launch URL or Open Text Document or do anything except run the )&*#(& command.
[16:36] <DarthFrog> Now if they could put the other junk under, say, Alt-F3, that'd be fine.
[16:37] <DarthFrog> But the number of times that I've hit Tab to complete a command (or so I thought) in Krunner and had Firefox launch instead to show a URL, is really aggravating.
[16:38] <BluesKaj> heh DarthFrog , Im trying to fins adefeat for the FLock buttton ..it's causing me more frustration than any others
[16:38] <BluesKaj> wirelssKBs are nice but there no light indicators
[16:38] <BluesKaj> are no
[16:38] <DarthFrog> It would needlessly consume the batteries.
[16:53] <olja_> jjjj
[16:54] <olja_> ok, nu är ja här
[16:55] <Peace-> olja_: ?
[16:55] <olja_> mmm
[16:55] <BluesKaj> olja_, svensk ?
[16:56] <olja_> svensk
[16:56] <BluesKaj> bara engelska har, olja_
[16:56] <BluesKaj> !se
[16:56] <olja_> ursäkta
[17:06] <shane4ubuntu> my package manger is set to check for updates once a day, and throughout the day I see the packagemanager pop up on the taskbar.  Any ideas?
[17:27] <vanguard> is there some way to make Tk Apps (gitk) look more native in KDE?
[17:35] <Peace-> vanguard: i have gtk apps look like qt
[17:35] <Peace-> vanguard: just you have to get the script on autstart
[17:35] <vanguard> Peace-: which script? Thunderbird and Firefox look like ...
[17:36] <Peace-> vanguard: gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh
[17:36] <vanguard> Peace-: where do I get that? not in my $PATH ...
[17:37] <DarthFrog> vanguard:  SystemSettings/Startup and Shutdown/Autostart/
[17:37] <DarthFrog> Enable it there.
[17:39] <vanguard> I have only gtk2-engines-qtcurve.rc.sh
[17:39] <DarthFrog> Bingo.
[17:40] <vanguard> DarthFrog: Bingo what?
[17:40] <DarthFrog> These are the droids you are searching for.
[17:41] <vanguard> well, but I do not have any other of these scripts on my machine
[17:44] <vanguard> DarthFrog: are you on 11.04 already?
[17:44] <DarthFrog> vanguard: No, not until the beta is released.
[17:45] <vanguard> hmm, then I do not understand where you got that script from
[17:48] <DarthFrog> rob@hyla:~/.kde/Autostart$ locate .rc.sh
[17:48] <DarthFrog> /home/rob/.kde/env/gtk2-engines-qtcurve.rc.sh
[17:48] <DarthFrog> /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/gtk2-engines-qtcurve.rc.sh
[17:49] <DarthFrog> If you wish to use the locate command, you need to run "sudo updatedb" first.
[17:52] <vanguard> mine shows the exact same results as yours
[17:52] <vanguard> where is your default-theme one?
[17:52] <DarthFrog> No idea. :-)
[17:52] <mcurran> anyone know how I could mount my computer memory, or securely clear the history?  I'm using an HP Deskjet...
[17:52] <mcurran> printer memory I meant
[17:54] <vanguard> mcurran: print a lot of stuff until it has to be overflown maybe ...
[17:56] <mcurran> yeah, that's sounds like an expensive solution.
[17:57] <genii-around> mcurran: What model?
[17:57] <DarthFrog> mcurran: Why not just turn it off?
[17:58] <mcurran> HP Deskjet 5940 - Bus 002 Device 002: ID 03f0:1e11 Hewlett-Packard PSC-950
[18:00] <ZeroKewl> hi i can get a dell studio wireless 1510 wireless card to work in ubuntu 10.10 need help plz
[18:00] <ZeroKewl> cat*
[18:00] <ZeroKewl> hi i can't get a dell studio wireless 1510 wireless card to work in ubuntu 10.10 need help plz
[18:00] <mcurran> what's the chipset "lspci | grep 802.11"
[18:00] <ZeroKewl> thats name of the wifi card
[18:01] <ZeroKewl> wireless 1510 mini
[18:02] <ZeroKewl> wireless 1510 wireless n wlan mini card thats name of wireless card mcurran
[18:05] <genii-around> mcurran: If you run hp-toolbox    it should give you some options
[18:10] <mcurran> thanks guys, gotta go, ttyl
[18:12] <ua> hello,  does anyone know equivalent of winiso or winimage for kde or Gnome, tahnak you
[18:13] <DarthFrog> ua: What do those programs do?  Have a look at k3b.
[18:13] <ua> thank you
you think for k3b?
[18:14] <DarthFrog> ua: That doesn't make sense. sorry.
[18:18] <ua> i am asking for equivalent of winiso or winimage on Kde
[18:19] <DarthFrog> Yes.  And I asked you what those programs do.  What are you trying to do?
[18:19] <ua> in order to read and extract isofiles
[18:19] <DarthFrog> Ah, now you're getting somewhere.
[18:19] <DarthFrog> AcetoneISO is what you want.
[18:19] <ua> AcetoneISO?
[18:21] <ua> i am newuser in kde, sorry, i've just to put in konsole, apt-get install acetoneiso?
[18:21] <ua> should i make only that?
[18:22] <DarthFrog> Yes.  You might have to enable the Medibuntu repo first, though.
[18:22] <Peace-> ua: sudo apt bla bla bla
[18:22] <DarthFrog> !medibuntu
[18:23] <DarthFrog> I wish "apt-cache search" also gave the repo name.
[18:23] <ua> what's the name of software?
[18:24] <ua> what's repo name?
[18:26] <genii-around> DarthFrog: Well, apt-cache policy gives the repo name :)
[18:26] <ua> thank you
[18:26] <ua> i'll test later, thank you very mutch for your help
[18:27] <Peace-> genii-around: sweet
[18:28] <DarthFrog> genii-around: Thank you for that.
[18:28] <genii-around> DarthFrog: np
[18:54] <katsrc> will firefox 4 be incorporated in the next kubuntu relase?
[19:05] <BluesKaj>  katsrc yes
[19:05] <katsrc> BluesKaj: thanks
[19:15] <Dekk-lappy> ok...flash plugin with reconq?
[19:22] <katsrc> Dekk-lappy: did you install Flash from the Kubuntu software repository?
[19:25] <katsrc> Dekk-lappy: it should pick it up if it's from the default repo
[19:25] <katsrc> Dekk-lappy: otherwise, if it's manually installed try doing plugins scan with Konqueror
[19:28] <Dekk-lappy> katsrc:  no its residual fro stock ubuntu install
[19:30] <katsrc> Dekk-lappy: make sure it's in /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[19:36] <18VAAD8O2> can anyone recommend any good hack channel ?
[19:36] <Dekk-lappy> no
[19:36] <Dekk-lappy> not what we do here
[19:37] <18VAAD8O2> ethical hack
[19:37] <18VAAD8O2> :)
[19:41] <crischan> hi, which command would start a console install from a live cd?
[19:45] <mluser-home> Does anyone know if .bashrc gets sourced by kde when logging in?
[19:46] <james147> mluser-home: it should get sourced when running an interactive terminal
[19:46] <james147> not sure about login
[19:46] <mluser-home> james147: what about .bash_profile?
[19:48] <james147> http://www.joshstaiger.org/archives/2005/07/bash_profile_vs.html ^^ mluser-home
[19:48] <mluser-home> I have a couple command line arguments I want executed when ever kde starts up
[19:48] <mluser-home> james147: thanks, I'll look into it
[19:48] <Do_Sanga> i have a question
[19:49] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: so...
[19:49] <Do_Sanga> Ok i have a HP laptop and installed ubuntu on it and regular wired connection works
[19:49] <Do_Sanga> but wifi dont
[19:50] <james147> mluser-home: then place it in the autostart directory (can be done in system settings > start up and shutdown< ..)
[19:50] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: well :) as the most of unsupported wifi xD
[19:50] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: lspci
[19:51] <james147> mluser-home: as the name suggest bashrc and bash_profile are called when bash starts (ie a shell)
[19:51] <james147> not at login
[19:51] <mluser-home> james147: thanks, I was going to do that as a last resort, I tend to run both kde and icewm, I was looking for something that was executed at login time regardless of what WM I was using.
[19:52] <Do_Sanga> thats odd
[19:52] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: open konsole
[19:52] <james147> mluser-home: not sure about icewm, but check to see if it has an autostart (or if it shares the folder kde uses)
[19:53] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: type lspci
[19:53] <mluser-home> james147: thanks again
[19:53] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: press enter
[19:53] <Do_Sanga> ok
[19:53] <Do_Sanga> did
[19:53] <Do_Sanga> Atheros
[19:53] <Do_Sanga> is the wifi
[19:54] <Peace-> Do_Sanga:  iwconfig
[19:54] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: give me the output of that command
[19:54] <Peace-> iwconfig
[19:54] <Do_Sanga> no wireless extensins
[19:54] <Peace-> ...
[19:55] <Peace-> omg
[19:55] <Peace-> Do_Sanga:  i need the output
[19:55] <Peace-> all
[19:55] <Peace-> !paste
[19:55] <FloodBotK1> Peace-: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:55] <Do_Sanga> lo        no wireless extensions.
[19:55] <Do_Sanga> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[19:55] <Do_Sanga> wlan0     IEEE 802.11bg  ESSID:off/any   Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=off    Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off Power Management:off
[19:55] <FloodBotK1> Do_Sanga: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:55] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: please use paste service
[19:55] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: so now
[19:56] <Peace-> the same with this
[19:56] <Peace-> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[19:56] <Do_Sanga> ok
[19:57] <Do_Sanga> wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
[19:57] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: have you a button on the laptop?
[19:57] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: try to switch it
[19:57] <Do_Sanga> yup
[19:57] <Do_Sanga> its showing blue as working
[19:59] <Do_Sanga> i even installed ndiswrappers
[19:59] <Peace-> Do_Sanga:  omg
[19:59] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: why ndiswrapper
[19:59] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: anyway
[19:59] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: rfkill list
[20:00] <Do_Sanga> 0: hp-wifi: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: yes Hard blocked: yes
[20:00] <Do_Sanga> 1: phy0: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: yes Hard blocked: no
[20:00] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: so there is a block
[20:00] <Peace-> wait a moment
[20:00] <Do_Sanga> ok
[20:00] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: rfkill unblock all
[20:01] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: maybe sudo beofre
[20:01] <Peace-> sudo rfkill unblock all
[20:01] <Do_Sanga> ok
[20:02] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: now
[20:02] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[20:03] <Do_Sanga> hrmm
[20:03] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: where are you from ?
[20:03] <Peace-> just to know
[20:03] <Do_Sanga> usa
[20:04] <Do_Sanga> wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
[20:04] <Peace-> oh so this it's correct place
[20:04] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: ok
[20:04] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: lsmod | grep ath
[20:05] <Do_Sanga> ath5k                 143332  0
[20:05] <Do_Sanga> mac80211              267099  1 ath5k
[20:05] <Do_Sanga> ath                    10413  1 ath5k
[20:05] <Do_Sanga> cfg80211              170485  3 ath5k,mac80211,ath
[20:05] <Do_Sanga> led_class               3393  1 ath5k
[20:05] <FloodBotK1> Do_Sanga: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:05] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: ok the news it's that your card use ath5k
[20:05] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: now letme see
[20:05] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: lsmod | grep ndiswrapper
[20:06] <Do_Sanga> nothing
[20:06] <Do_Sanga> oddly
[20:06] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: ok perfect
[20:06] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: you have only to read this
[20:06] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: please give before.. this too
[20:06] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: lspci | grep -i network
[20:07] <Do_Sanga> 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[20:07] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: now try this :     sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[20:08] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: it shoudl give you an error
[20:08] <Peace-> xD
[20:08] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: what does it say?
[20:08] <Do_Sanga> nothing
[20:08] <Peace-> mm
[20:08] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: well try this again
[20:08] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[20:09] <Peace-> again error?
[20:09] <Do_Sanga> it dont give me anythng
[20:09] <Do_Sanga> when i do that
[20:09] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: this one ? sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[20:09] <Peace-> nothing ?
[20:10] <Do_Sanga> wlan0     No scan results
[20:10] <Do_Sanga> is what i just got
[20:10] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: ok now...
[20:10] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: this is my blog this is the article , i have an atheros
[20:10] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: try the voltage reset
[20:10] <Do_Sanga> ok
[20:11] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/kubuntu-904-atheros-communications-inc-ar242x-80211abg-wireless-pci-express-adapter-rev-01/
[20:11] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: i know it's not written very well but... consider that  english is my 2 language and i have no time
[20:12] <Do_Sanga> its good
[20:12] <Do_Sanga> ok so shutdown pc
[20:12] <Do_Sanga> and unpower it
[20:13] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: if doens't work compile madwifi
[20:13] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: your wifi card should be supported
[20:13] <Do_Sanga> ok
[20:13] <Peace-> i have 5006...
[20:13] <Do_Sanga> can i get it with apt-get
[20:13] <Peace-> you have 5001
[20:13] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: i don't thikn so you have to read the tutorial
[20:14] <Do_Sanga> ok
[20:14] <Do_Sanga> ill try it
[20:14] <Do_Sanga> thanks for the help
[20:14] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: if you get problems
[20:14] <Peace-> Do_Sanga: write me on the blog
[20:14] <Peace-> i have to go
[20:14] <Do_Sanga> ok
[20:14] <Peace-> bye
[20:14] <Do_Sanga> bye
[20:14] <Do_Sanga> thanks
[20:14] <Peace-> y r welcome
[20:14] <Peace-> from italy with Peace-
[20:14] <Peace-> xD
[20:32] <masese> hi
[20:32] <masese> hi kubuntu
[20:33] <genii-around> Hi masese. Do you have some Kubuntu question?
[20:33] <masese> yes
[20:33] <Phoenixz> Is it normal that using chromium, flash crashes about every 2 minutes while displaying video? or closing any other random page? or opening a new page?
[20:34] <genii-around> masese: The best thing then is to just ask your question to the room and perhaps someone who knows about your issue will assist
[20:36] <masese> just installed 10.04 kubuntu from iso image, when trying to get updates the message comes "untrusted version of the package will be installed" is this normal?
[20:41] <masese> any body to assist?
[20:43] <shane4ubuntu> masese: that sounds odd to me
[20:43] <shane4ubuntu> did you change your sources at all??
[20:44] <masese> no
[20:44] <shane4ubuntu> masese: what package is it?
[20:44] <masese> lrzsz
[20:45] <shane4ubuntu> I would mark that as not upgraded, that sounds very odd, what country are you using in your repos?
[20:46] <masese> kenya
[20:46] <Dekk-lappy> i think im gonna wipe the ubuntu--> kubuntu and do fresh install of kubuntu
[20:46] <Dekk-lappy> stuff is buggy
[20:47] <shane4ubuntu> masese: perhaps try changing your repos to the primary ubuntu repos
[20:47] <shane4ubuntu> Dekk-lappy: that was quick
[20:47] <shane4ubuntu> Dekk-lappy: what is buggy?
[20:47] <Dekk-lappy> well.. reconq.. having flash probs
[20:47] <masese> ok let me try that
[20:47] <Dekk-lappy> flash is where it should be
[20:48] <Dekk-lappy> oh..laptop wont shut down
[20:48] <shane4ubuntu> masese: oddly enough I had a prob with a repo in the country where we live, and I have never used them since.
[20:48] <Dekk-lappy> had to do it from the cli
[20:48] <shane4ubuntu> Dekk-lappy: is there the shutdown option?
[20:48] <Dekk-lappy> yep
[20:48] <shane4ubuntu> shutdown button?
[20:48] <shane4ubuntu> ok
[20:48] <Dekk-lappy> and the plasmoid doesnt work either for it
[20:49] <Dekk-lappy> had to do sudo shutdown -H now
[20:49] <masese> right
[20:49] <shane4ubuntu> Dekk-lappy: perhaps before you go through the trouble of a re-install, boot a livecd and make sure that isn't buggy by default
[20:49] <Dekk-lappy> lol
[20:49] <shane4ubuntu> Dekk-lappy: sudo poweroff     is quicker and easier.
[20:49] <Dekk-lappy> okee
[20:49] <masese> and how can i clear the list?
[20:50] <shane4ubuntu> masese: are you in the GUI?  I'm not very good with the GUI
[20:50] <Dekk-lappy> shane4ubuntu,  you sayin.. that kde4.6 is still a bit buggy?
[20:50] <masese> no teh console
[20:51] <shane4ubuntu> Dekk-lappy: hmmm, well, not really for me, but perhaps hardware issues?
[20:51] <masese> in the console
[20:51] <Dekk-lappy> hmm... always worked from gnome... :)
[20:51] <shane4ubuntu> masese: cat /etc/apt/sources.list  and post that
[20:51] <shane4ubuntu> !pastebin | masese
[20:52] <shane4ubuntu> Dekk-lappy: hmm, could be a re-install is in order, if you do, make a good partitioning scheme, put /home on a separate partition, makes life nice.
[20:53] <shane4ubuntu> Dekk-lappy: you will need about 10 - 13GB for /   roughly  depending on what you install
[20:53] <masese> ok thanks alot
[20:53] <Dekk-lappy> i got a 30 gig to wipe and reinstall
[20:53] <Dekk-lappy> no worries
[20:53] <shane4ubuntu> Dekk-lappy: put 10 /  and 20 for /home
[20:54] <shane4ubuntu> ohh, wait swap too, 4 swap 10 / and 16 /home
[20:54] <Dekk-lappy> dont worry
[20:54] <Dekk-lappy>  it will all shake out
[20:54] <shane4ubuntu> masese: you need to change the letters before the repo, if I can see your sources.list I will know what to tell you to change
[20:55] <shane4ubuntu> masese: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.orig
[20:55] <shane4ubuntu> masese: good idea to back it up before messing around in there.
[20:55] <masese> sure
[21:02] <masese> http://ke.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid universe
[21:02] <masese> deb http://ke.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid universe
[21:02] <masese> deb-src http://ke.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid universe
[21:02] <masese> deb http://ke.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates universe
[21:02] <masese> deb-src http://ke.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates universe
[21:02] <FloodBotK1> masese: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:03] <shane4ubuntu> mases  yep, gotta remove that ke.  sed can do it really quickly, ONLY after you have backed that file up
[21:04] <masese> ok
[21:04] <shane4ubuntu> masese: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.orig && sudo sed -e 's/ke.//g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:08] <shane4ubuntu> masese: then if that looks good, that will just put the info on the screen and not actually touch the file, if it looks good run it like this:  sudo sed -e 's/ke.//g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:09] <shane4ubuntu> masese: then sudo apt-get update  && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:09] <shane4ubuntu> and look for funny packages.
[21:09] <shane4ubuntu> or untrusted packages.
[21:13] <Bauldrick> how do i get firefox icon (launcher) in 'Kmenu>Internet' - I've uninstalled purged firefox and reinstalled, but I can only launch firefox from commandline..?
[21:15] <masese> N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[21:15] <masese> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[21:15] <masese> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[21:15] <masese> ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu
[21:15] <masese> ## security team.
[21:15] <FloodBotK1> masese: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:15] <masese> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid multiverse
[21:22] <shane4ubuntu> !paste | mases
[21:27] <maxi_> Hi all
[21:27] <maxi_> someone know how can I actualize to KDE 4.6.1?
[22:43] <Alonea> ok, is there anything I can temporarily do to fix the brightness on my EEE until the fix comes out next month?
[22:45] <Alonea> its "set" to 100% but its still so dim I can barely read it
[22:54] <Alonea> anyone?
[23:09] <ubuntu__> hii