[00:36] uh oh... looks like upgrades borked natty [00:36] maybe not [00:36] Does it bother anyone else that the unity panel window icons look extremly bad with anything that isn't ambiance or radiance? [00:37] even radiance looks pretty bad [00:40] Damn kernel oops. [00:40] Fluttershy, but atleast it uses the icons [00:41] Any other theme can't, and will stick to some ugly symbols that can't change their colors either [00:48] hi [00:48] anyone know a deb package for gcc-4.6 pre? [00:50] does't seem like we have one, there's only one in debian/experimental [00:50] yofel: thanks. [00:50] there's gcc-snapshot, but I don't know what that contains exactly [00:51] !info gcc-snapshot [00:51] gcc-snapshot (source: gcc-snapshot): A SNAPSHOT of the GNU Compiler Collection. In component universe, is extra. Version 20110308-1 (natty), package size 88098 kB, installed size 279312 kB [00:51] It looks recent. 7 days ago. [00:51] ah, thanks! === Dink[a] is now known as Dink === Dink is now known as Dink[a] [02:17] ah. natty booting just got hosed. [02:17] x won't load anymore. [02:18] LLStarks, got that too. I have to start it by hand. [02:18] what command? [02:18] and what package did this? [02:18] Not sure bout the package. I start it by using sudo service gdm start [02:18] i can't even get a tty [02:19] The latest package updates that I think that might have caused this are gdm and upstart. [02:19] upstart update came after breakage [02:19] might be gdm [02:20] is seb on top of this? [02:21] Oh man, oh man. [02:21] I gotta downgrade now. [02:23] yeah [02:23] Except I don't know how to ): [02:23] upstart update came before gdm, LLStarks [02:23] i'm doing a root xchat in a chroot just to talk to you guys [02:23] ? [02:23] daekdroom, not for me. [02:23] Package -> Force Version doesn't show up. [02:23] gdm came first, upstart upgraded after i chrooted. [02:23] where can I download a copy of the alpha version? [02:23] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/2.32.0-0ubuntu9/+buildjob/2282263/+files/gdm_2.32.0-0ubuntu9_i386.deb [02:23] omega [02:24] need 64-bit? [02:24] Is that the latest? [02:24] no, second latest [02:24] the last working one [02:24] OK, I'm on that version, let me lock it. [02:24] lock with all of your strength [02:24] brb. time to test gdm. [02:24] And upstart? [02:24] Omega, wait, you haven't had the issue yet? [02:24] ok [02:25] Daekdroom: I haven't updated gdm apparantly [02:25] omega, i'm about to isolate gdm. [02:25] with upstart 0.9.3 [02:25] brb [02:25] Odd. Upstart was updated but I haven't updated it. [02:25] I think it was held back [02:26] I'm on 0.9.3-1 [02:26] 0.9.0-1ubuntu3 [02:27] It's the 2nd latest. [02:27] gdm is sole culprit [02:27] LLStarks, 2nd latest upstart has the issue too [02:28] well, i have newest upstart [02:28] Somehow I don't. [02:28] 0.9.3? [02:28] 0.9.0 [02:28] (yes, it is the 2nd latest) [02:28] time to warn the forum [02:28] and the upstart update is finally offered to me [02:35] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10564715 [02:35] Bad KMS :( [02:35] kms good. you crazy. [02:35] It keeps giving me GPU lockups. [02:36] nomodeset isn't? [02:36] Not sure. [02:36] :P [02:36] compiz is the process that locks it up. [02:37] and it happens over and over and over. Right after it recovers, it happens again. [03:02] how do i restore tty from a blinking cursor? [03:02] i can boot fine, but no tty. [03:02] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE [03:46] Anybody's emerald work? Mine crashes with segfault. [03:46] !emerald [03:46] emerald is an obsolete window decorator for compiz. It's unsupported and unmaintained, making issues with it very hard to diagnose and fix. There are no known, supported alternatives. [03:47] or in short, "good luck with that" :\ [03:47] oh well, that was informative.. thanks ;) [04:52] !info nginx [04:52] nginx (source: nginx): small, but very powerful and efficient web server and mail proxy. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.53-2 (natty), package size 327 kB, installed size 900 kB [07:07] Hey [07:08] during some latest updates my key-shortcuts stopped working [07:09] effect is similar as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/339828 but thats 2009 [07:09] Ubuntu bug 339828 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "Alt+ shortcuts not working" [Undecided,New] [07:10] I am able to set shortcut trigger properly but when pressing the combination (using alt + q) nothing hapens [07:10] (it should run 'konsole') [07:11] command seems to be working and ctrl+alt+t works when running 'konsole' [07:11] any suggestions where to debug? [07:12] Oh, alt+p binded to print screen does launch the action [07:26] but the launch konsole does not :/ [07:32] I am not saying it is time for this decision yet. But, if Unity does not get get crashy, is there a fallback to ship gnome as the default for Natty? [08:49] Oops, a type may have made that confusing. I meant to ask - I am not saying it is time for this decision yet. But, if Unity does not get less crashy, is there a fallback to ship gnome as the default for Natty? [09:04] thread on the forums warning about the latest GDM update for those on Natty [09:04] bug 735805 [09:04] Launchpad bug 735805 in gdm (Ubuntu) "GDM fails to start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735805 [10:08] hi, what is the "bugzilla" adress to fill bugs for natty? [10:09] and how to get the exact name of my wifi-card? [10:10] Well, what do you want to call it, iceroot? YOu can name it. It is your machine, after all. [10:10] Severian: chipset... [10:10] broadcom xxxx [10:11] Is the card built into the motherboard, or connected by USB? Choose. [10:11] Severian: onboard wifi-card from broadcom, i just need the exact chipset name [10:12] lspci | grep broadcom or grep bcm is showing nothing, so maybe there is another command [10:12] do an lspci and see what that tells you. You could also probably find it by doing dmesg [10:13] dmesg | grep bcm [10:13] [ 15.526873] brcm80211: fail to load firmware brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw [10:13] I am booting my netbook and I'll check it. [10:13] and i need the xx [10:14] Severian: ah ok, found it, bcm4313 i should have used grep -i bcm :) [10:14] great [10:15] grep should use -i by default... :) [10:16] If you really think that, then setup an alias with the -i option. I like it the way it is. [10:16] Severian: default != setting an alias :) [10:16] but ok, i have the informations i needed and will fill a bug [10:17] It would then be the default for you. Good luck. === rclay_ is now known as rclay [12:52] i have a complaint this natty narwhal alpha should be called unstable ursula [12:53] greyhatsalafi, do you use ubuntu 11.04 alpha [12:53] MarconM of course [12:53] lol [12:53] i want to know how a active my compiz [12:53] cube effect, etc.. [12:53] coz i think it changed guide effect [12:53] i dont find [12:53] :s [12:54] settings->desktop effects [12:56] greyhatsalafi: Whats your issue? [12:58] after latest update...2.6.38-6 won't give me login screen [12:58] and 2.6.38-5 only boots with classic desktop [12:58] greyhatsalafi: I remember seeing something in the kernel team's meeting minutes that there were some problems with the latest kernel version. [12:59] Have you filed any bugs regarding your issues? [12:59] currently filing [13:00] it's already been reported [13:00] greyhatsalafi: bug 735805 [13:00] Launchpad bug 735805 in gdm (Ubuntu) "GDM fails to start" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735805 [13:00] actually no, it's no the same [13:01] geez, I shouldn't really do all this stuff at the same time [13:11] howdy [13:13] good day all [13:15] kklimonda why is it not the same? it seems the same to me [13:17] greyhatsalafi: interesting, you mentioning two kernels have lead me to believe that it's some sort of kernel issue - as I said I should be focusing on a single task :) [13:18] kklimonda no problem :) i'll just get the fix in the next update :) i read in the bug report a workaround anyway [13:22] susundberg, humm,m ... ok .. i go see [13:22] whem you ll be the new realease stable ubuntu 11.04 [13:52] Had to start GDM manually today to login to Xubuntu Natty [14:05] charlie-tca: known bug === tm_ is now known as tm [14:09] any one else playing with multitouch? [14:09] the qt4 demos are fun ( http://voices.canonical.com/chase.douglas/2011/03/15/multitouch-in-ubuntu-11-04/ ) [14:09] but it seems you can't really do anything useful on the desktop yet === Dink[a] is now known as Dink [14:15] well, I have double finger scroll on my thinkpad now in Kubuntu which is cool, but not more than 2 fingers and the scroll values seem to jump sometimes which is annoying a bit === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:16] I have one of those big apple trackpads [14:17] even when you max out the mouse sensitivity it's still way too low for the size of this thing [14:17] of course the notebook's built-in trackpad is unusably fast [14:17] you really need to be able to adjust that per-mouse [15:58] using unity... mumble is running, but i can't find the window. its not in the list on the menu you get when you push the windows key [15:58] (i think thats the launcher, but might be wrong on the terminology) [15:59] My Natty install just refused to start properly today. I had to go to recovery and launch gdm manually, now it seems to be runnning fine. Any known issue causing this? === evilvish is now known as vish [16:03] tried to restart again and still same issue, it gets stuck at: * Checking battery state [16:04] maybe you have bug 735805 [16:04] Launchpad bug 735805 in gdm (Ubuntu) "GDM fails to start" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735805 [16:05] Try going to a tty and logging in, then run "sudo gdm" [16:05] nm [16:05] hehe [16:05] didn't read enough [16:07] thanks yofel that seems to be it === cmagina is now known as cmagina-lunch [17:14] how can i make unity using mutter instants of compiz in natty, and to using the current theme === cmagina-lunch is now known as cmagina-afk === cmagina-afk is now known as cmagina [17:33] e01 have you tried mutter --replace? Not sure if it works... [17:47] i tried the unity support test and i get this > http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-98807 < why unity does not start please ? [18:53] hi, I just updated to 11.04 but now my menu is gone and some weird launcher panel is on the left side of the screen, which I can't get rid of and it doesn't have entries for settings etc.. what do I do to get rid of that so I can access the menu e.g. preferences? [18:55] That is unity in Natty, the future of Ubuntu [18:55] that is what the actual release will be, th1 [18:56] charlie-tca, well how do I access preferences and such from it? [18:56] with difficulty [18:56] click the symbol in the top left, it opens a launcher thingy [18:57] then search for the one you want, or click through those find apps things to find it [18:57] it doesn't show, just stuff like skype and wine apps I once launched a long time ago [18:57] there's no preferences [18:57] is there any way to disable this and get back to the old menu? at least until it works properly ... [18:57] even my desktop switcher has gone [18:58] log out [18:58] select "classic-gnome" session at the bottom of the login screen after selecting the user name [18:58] trying .. :) [18:59] It is not at all easy anymore, is it? [18:59] * genii-around hugs his KDE [19:00] charlie-tca, thanks all better :) :) [19:00] I hope they only switch it on by default if they get it to work better [19:00] You are welcome [19:00] otherwise a lot of people are going to be rather disappointed I think [19:01] I use xubuntu, myself. It is much easier for me [19:01] hm. my 11.04 installation does not recognize my software-RAID disks. The LiveCD doesn't find them either. However, the 9.04 LIveCD does recognize the disks (after installing mdadm). Tried to do that on the Natty LiveCD as well, but mdadm cannot find my disk... any suggestions? [19:19] i tried the unity support test and i get this > http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-98807 < why unity does not start please ? [19:19] did you logout zniavre [19:20] many times ... [19:20] i mean loging in on ubuntu netbook edition [19:20] im not sure to understand ? [19:21] when i tried to log into unity the desktop is empty [19:23] hmmm strange [19:23] u can login on ubuntu but not on netbook edition? [19:24] unity-2d is working well and gnome-classic can use compiz [19:24] just unity is wrong [19:24] just unity there is no access to the menus [19:24] seems like its a cool thing but its just not finished [19:24] lotuspsychje: unity is used for the desktop environment in desktop. [19:24] no right click action to configure it etc.. :/ [19:25] how is Unity supposed to be configured? [19:25] In fact, there is no Netbook Edition anymore. [19:25] how do I get the Help up? [19:25] dconf-editor + ccsm for unity setup [19:25] dconf-editor? [19:25] im still on 10.10 and i can choose netbook edition from login menu [19:26] do you mean gconf-editor? I know ccsm but gconf-editor is very hard to use if you don't know exactly what you are looking for [19:26] th1 no i mean dconf-editor [19:26] lotuspsychje: then you are in the wrong channel. This is for natty only, and it is very different from maverick [19:26] with a 'd' [19:26] zniavre, it's not found on my pc [19:27] if I try to run it with alt-f2 or from command line [19:27] heh the config applet for the unity, is not installed by default :) [19:27] launch it from terminal it will suggest you to install dconftools [19:27] it's not an applet [19:28] there is not so many thing to setup at this moment [19:29] th1: What do you mean no menus? [19:29] th1: The menus for the running application should be at the top of the screen. [19:29] like Preferences and Administration [19:29] :o) [19:29] jpds, I already saw that [19:29] which I didn't want to comment on because although I didn't like it, I'm ok with giving it a chance [19:30] but that launcher bar instead of hte menu, I can't find the stuffs I need .. so that's a different thing [19:35] ok more or less back to usable after fiddling the settings and using Gnome Classic [19:35] althouhgI have gfx errors now [19:40] scares me a bit that there is only a month to go before release of this :) [19:40] th1, the Preferences and Administration menus can be found easily by clicking the Power Icon at the top right (indicator-session applet i believe) and selecting System Settings [19:44] are there any options other than nouveau for older nvidia cards? nouveau looks aweful when drawing menus [19:45] try adding to Applications | Themes & Tweaks | Startup Applications and add -gnome-panel until natty interface is better and things are not working as desired / besides being a smooth transition from previous interface [19:45] th1, that was for you [19:45] vivid, nvidia-173 and nvidia-96 will be available after nvidia updates them, typically just before a new ubuntu release (in other words, not now) [19:46] yea thats great for then, but where is the old nv driver [19:47] you could try vesa [19:47] i've run into a doozy of a unity bug [19:47] i'd check lp to find it but i can't click on hyperlinks anymore [19:47] or alt-tab [19:47] th1, gnome-panel . not the ifen at the beginning, as i wrote [19:48] bjsnider, is the old nv driver not available for xorg 1.10? [19:49] nv hasn't been touched in a long time, nvidia obfuscated it. so i would guess not. [19:49] wait, it seems to have suddenly resolved itself [19:50] well, obfuscated and abandoned i should say. [19:52] bad idea. [19:56] actually its still there, just moved to the universe repo, which is probably why it got removed from my system [19:59] lcb, thanks I'll just stick with Gnone-Classic session for now it works reasonably ok [20:00] i like unity except for the bugs [20:02] hey all [20:11] Is the 11.04 at all usable as an everyday system? [20:11] progress, my wireless works again with the vanilla 2.6.38 kernel in natty, now the question is why is the ubuntu kernel breaking the p54usb driver. the odd part is that the kernel from the mainline ppa doesn't work either... [20:13] Gayspy: Yes for some, but do not rely on it to be. [20:15] Gayspy: some of us do run it daily, but little things have to be worked around, like this morning. [20:15] When I turned my computer, it wouldn't actually go to the login screen [20:16] It only took me 15 minutes or so to figure out how to get the login screen, but it can be frustrating sometimes [20:17] that happens to me also [20:17] i assume gdm is hanging or something [20:17] bug 735805 [20:17] Launchpad bug 735805 in gdm (Ubuntu) "GDM fails to start" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735805 [20:17] i know about frustrating. My netbook doesn't wake up from suspend on recent kernels. The LTS kernel works but doesnt recongnize mt touchpad right. [20:20] Well, then. It isn't too bad, but it is not suggested for anything you must have working all the time [20:21] i give it a shot. Is there notable stability difference between the classic desktop and unity? === Dink is now known as Dink[a] [20:27] Hi, /etc/init.d/apache status shows only is running but in my rhel it shows lots of details like uptime and requests per second, how can I enable this? [20:35] edgy_: why do you assume this same functionality is in debian/ubuntu? [20:37] it's not strange to assume that the apache folk wrote their own initscripts is it? [20:38] vega__: tensorpudding: something inside me telling me it's an option in apache [20:39] edgy_: what does apachectl fullstatus give you? [20:40] you need to have mod_status enabled for it to work [20:45] tensorpudding: /usr/sbin/apache2ctl: 148: www-browser: not found [20:45] 'www-browser -dump http://localhost:80/server-status' failed. [20:47] tensorpudding: I now installed lynx and it works! thanks for the hint ;) [20:50] edgy_: Why don't you just run apache2ctl fullstatus instead? [20:58] hello [20:58] i would like to rebuild xserver-xorg-input-tslib on my machine how do i do this? [20:59] E: Ignore unavailable target release 'maverick' of package 'xserver-xorg-input-tslib' [20:59] i get that error :/ [20:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/735908 [20:59] Ubuntu bug 735908 in nux (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::GpuRenderStates::SubmitChangeStates()" [Medium,New] [20:59] ooops sorry [20:59] xserver-xorg-input-tslib: Depends: xorg-input-abi-11.0 which is a virtual package. [20:59] when it ry to install the package i get that error [21:00] its because xorg-input-abi is version 12 [21:00] but tslib is looking for the older version, which is why i want to rebuild it. [21:00] so my problem is basically why am i getting: E: Ignore unavailable target release 'maverick' of package 'xserver-xorg-input-tslib' [21:00] when i am running natty [21:00] and nothing in /etc/apt/ mentions maverick [21:04] sandraw: did you look into /etc/apt/sources.list.d too? [21:04] thats where your ppas are stored [21:05] guntbert: yes i did [21:05] sandraw: then I don't know, sorry [21:05] APT::Default-Release "natty"; [21:05] what does apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-tslib say? [21:05] :) [21:05] i found it [21:06] ok i can get the source now, i was just stupid [21:06] anyhow somebody should rebuild tslib [21:07] after editing the control file and changing the version from 11 to 12 [21:07] hm, a simple rebuild should be enough for that [21:08] we'll get xserver 1.10 final soon, see if there's a bug filed so they don't forget it [21:09] i thought you where changing to wayland [21:10] crap build failed [21:10] changing? not for a long time [21:10] http://pastebin.com/k9davXre [21:11] yofel: ok [21:12] no idea about the build failure, ask in #ubuntu-x [21:12] what is -x ? [21:12] well, -x for X11, it's the ubuntu X team channel [21:12] ah ok :) [21:12] wont they get angry cos im on natty? [21:15] why has my default browser gone back from Chrome to Firefox after the upgrade and how do I change it back? [21:16] Hello guys. I wanna try out gnome-shell on natty alpha 2, does there exist a ppa for it? [21:16] sandraw: shouldn't be the case, after all it is a bug (probably) [21:17] ChrisBuchholz: there was one, sec [21:17] ...i dont wanna use whats in the official ppa's since i hear they are quite outdated [21:18] ChrisBuchholz: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 is the only one I know of [21:18] it doesn't really work though [21:18] yofel: i guess. i think it is a bug, are you able to install the package: xserver-xorg-input-tslib ? [21:18] kklimonda: the gnome3-team ppa? [21:18] sandraw: no [21:19] ChrisBuchholz: yeah, when I last tried it gnome-shell was missing some rather important stuff [21:19] (like the theme) [21:19] yofel: then i guess its b0rked [21:19] kklimonda: oh, i see. Outdate stuff. I dont get why there arent an all-up-to-date ppa for gnome-shell for ubuntu [21:19] there really should be [21:19] yofel: probably has something to do with xorg-input-abi/xserver-xorg-core [21:19] ChrisBuchholz: because it's a lot of work [21:19] just because i want gnome shell, doesnt mean i want another distro... [21:20] kklimonda: sure [21:20] its not building against the new version [21:20] sandraw: it obviously is, it wasn't built against xserver 1.10 RC2 which provides the -12 ABI [21:20] atleast not on my machine [21:20] ah i see [21:21] ChrisBuchholz: also by enabling gnome3 and installing gnome-shell (And upgrading the rest of packages) you will most likely loose Unity [21:21] and the old good gnome [21:22] kklimonda: i dont really care for it in my testing environment though :) [21:22] but yes [21:23] sandraw: known issue - bug 714353 [21:23] Launchpad bug 714353 in xf86-input-tslib (Ubuntu) "Does not support Input ABI 12: FTBFS against Xserver 1.10" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/714353 [21:23] * sandraw palmface [21:24] sorry :( [21:24] sandraw: click on the 'does this bug affect you link' [21:25] yofel: where? [21:25] guess i need to register [21:27] ah, probably not worth it, unless you want to track the bug or want to file other bugs yourself [21:28] no its ok [21:28] how long do you think it will take for this to get resolved ? its unassigned [21:30] no idea since it's not targeted to a milestone either, someone in -x will have to answer that [21:31] ok [21:31] thanks [21:33] every time I click a link in a terminal or whatever, it tries to open it with firefox even though chrome is my default browser.. [21:33] it worked in 10.10 how do I fix this? [21:34] th1: they changed the URL handling in gnome and some applications don't honor that, there was a bug about that I think, let me look [21:35] yofel, thanks [21:36] another serious nuisance, when using tab completion after "ls" it stops at the first directory instead of adding a slash and letting me type more to find what I was actually looking for :( [21:37] bug 670128 [21:37] Launchpad bug 670128 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu) "gnome-open uses firefox while it's not the preferred browser" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670128 [21:37] th1: and when you press tab twice? (just curious) [21:38] yofel, it starts a new tab completion [21:39] eg. I type "ls /et" and I'd expect it to put "ls /etc/" and leave the cursor after the tab for me to type more, that's how it's always worked [21:39] no idea then, bash completion works fine here [21:39] but instead now I type "ls /et" and it puts "ls /etc " (note hte space after the etc) [21:40] this happened when I upgraded, no idea why [21:40] maybe it's a gnome-terminal issue, tried another termial? [21:40] *terminal [21:40] yeah I tried the VC text mode console, same thing1 [21:40] I think it's a bash config issue [21:42] hm... no idea if some of the defaults changed, here's my bashrc (as a refrerence) http://paste.ubuntu.com/581317/ [21:44] http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman02/2011-03-16-223016_1280x960_scrot.png [21:44] yofel, thanks for the bug number of the firefox thing, I got it working with the xdg commands from there [21:45] no more firefox spawning all over [21:45] bittin: what desktop env is that? [21:45] yofel: pekwm [21:45] * yofel never heard of that one yet.. [21:46] http://www.pekwm.org [21:46] think its a fluxbox fork [21:46] yofel, interestingly it's only for ls ... [21:46] if I type "adfgh /et" it puts "asdfgh /etc/" as expected [21:46] th1: doesn't happen here though, ls /et gives me ls /etc/ [21:49] what thinks should you have on your Linux installation? [21:50] yofel, did you upgrade yours from 10.10 or a fresh install? [21:51] th1: mine was an upgrade, but I did that as soon as the toolchain opened (pre-alpha) [21:51] maybe purge bash-completion [21:51] and reinstall it [21:53] yofel, thanks but that didn't help [21:54] :( [21:56] I even copied the standard .bashrc from /etc/skel to my homedir that also doesn't help [21:56] funny is that it's *only* for ls, not for "l" or "ll" or any of the other aliases [21:57] "complete -d ls" fixed it [21:59] but I can't figure out what set it in the first place [21:59] now I've added that to my .bashrc [22:01] anyway now its sorta solved :) [22:11]