[00:17] <Bill_> I have a problem
[00:17] <DarkwingDuck> Bill_: What's the issue
[00:17] <Bill_> I just loaded ubuntu on my laptop and it won't recognize my USB flash drives.  These same flash drives work on my other ubuntu computer.
[00:18] <Bill_> It doesn't see them at all.
[00:18] <DarkwingDuck> Okay
[00:19] <DarkwingDuck> Not even in fdisk?
[00:19] <DarkwingDuck> Bill_: plug in the flashdrive and open terminal
[00:19] <Bill_> ok
[00:20] <DarkwingDuck> Then type : sudo fdisk -l
[00:20] <DarkwingDuck> pastebin the output from that
[00:21] <Bill_>  how do i pastebin that?
[00:21] <Bill_> Disk /dev/sda: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x000d708f     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System /dev/sda1               1       29637   238053376   83  Linux /dev/sda2           29637       30
[00:22] <Bill_> my main computer has a 250 g hard drive.  the flash drive is 4 g
[00:22] <DarkwingDuck> Bill_: Use this http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[00:23] <Bill_> Disk /dev/sda: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x000d708f     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System /dev/sda1               1       29637   238053376   83  Linux /dev/sda2           29637       30
[00:23] <Bill_> Disk /dev/sdb: 4012 MB, 4012900352 bytes 120 heads, 55 sectors/track, 1187 cylinders Units = cylinders of 6600 * 512 = 3379200 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00000000     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System /dev/sdb1               1        1188     3918832    b  W95 FAT32
[00:23] <DarkwingDuck> paste it here http://paste.ubuntu.com/ then give me the URL for it
[00:24] <DarkwingDuck> Please :)
[00:25] <Bill_> how do you copy the url for it?
[00:25] <DarkwingDuck> Bill_: Nevermind... It looks like it not auto mounting
[00:25] <DarkwingDuck> So, we shall mount it for you. First we need to build a mount point
[00:26] <DarkwingDuck> to do that type: sudo mkdir /media/external
[00:26] <Bill_> it didn't seem to do anything
[00:26] <DarkwingDuck> Now, we need to mount it. To do that type: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/external -o uid=1000,gid=100,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137
[00:27] <DarkwingDuck> Then when you need to unmount the drive type: sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[00:27] <Bill_> ok.  how did you know all of those numbers?
[00:27] <DarkwingDuck> They are listed here for reference https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[00:28] <DarkwingDuck> But, I've done it enough....
[00:28] <DarkwingDuck> I'm a CLI kind of guy
[00:28] <DarkwingDuck> I use the terminal for most of my stuff
[00:28] <Bill_> ok i did that
[00:28] <DarkwingDuck> It should be mounted and you shoulod be able to access it now
[00:28] <DarkwingDuck> *Should
[00:29] <Bill_> it still doesn't show up in computer
[00:29] <DarkwingDuck> in terminal type: cd /media/external
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> Then is there a readout for the command: ls
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> ?
[00:30] <Bill_> it has a command it says bill@bill-Satellite-L455D:/media/external$
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> Okay
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> Is there a readout when you type ls
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> ?
[00:31] <Bill_> no
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> That is strange. And this flashdrive has stuff on it?
[00:31] <Bill_> it just returns to the command prompt
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> Or, is it empty?
[00:31] <Bill_> yes, the other ubuntu computer can see it.
[00:32] <DarkwingDuck> That is strange... I'm not sure.
[00:32] <Bill_> Maybe I need to reinstall the ubuntu.
[00:32] <DarkwingDuck> I doubt that.
[00:33] <Bill_> what about a different distro?
[00:34] <DarkwingDuck> I don't think it's an issue with the distro
[00:34] <DarkwingDuck> take it back to the other computer
[00:34] <DarkwingDuck> make sure you can read it there.
[00:34] <DarkwingDuck> eject the USB drive
[00:34] <DarkwingDuck> then try it again.
[00:35] <DarkwingDuck> sorry Bill_
[00:37] <gnumerous> using ubuntu 10.4, first time after the time patch...my panel indicator doesn't show the time, its blank...i can copy and paste the time...is it a known thing?
[00:43] <seidos> gnumerous: did you check launchpad?
[00:43] <seidos> i'm not familiar with the bug
[00:44] <gnumerous> seidos: i think i jumped the gun some...after reconsidering the missing time, i removed and re added the applet...
[00:45] <gnumerous> i wasn't sure how to ask a search engine how to fix it.
[00:45] <seidos> persistently is the only way i know how to ask a search engine anything
[00:48] <seidos> glad it works now gnumerous :)
[00:49] <gnumerous> seidos: thanks, its nice to have a working panel
[00:49] <gnumerous> sweeter now that i solved my own problem, i feel empowered
[01:35] <Guest57327> Ok, running 10.04 now, in the menu at startup when I select boot it says: "Could not find kernel image: /casper/vmlinuz"
[01:43] <duanedesign> hello Guest57327
[01:49] <Guest57327> hello
[01:52] <duanedesign> Guest57327: is this when running the LiveCD?
[01:53] <Guest57327> on a USB drive, yes
[02:00] <duanedesign> Guest57327: Make sure that the syslinux.cfg file exists on the USB flash drive
[02:07] <duanedesign> Guest57327: also when boot: comes up, instead of hitting enter type 'vmlinuz initrd=initrd.img' w/out the quotes and hit enter
[02:21] <Guest57327> "Could not find kernel image: vmlinuz"
[02:43] <Guest57327> duanedesign: and syslinux.cfg exists
[02:49] <duanedesign> Gis there a line that looks like:
[02:49] <duanedesign> append boot=casper initrd=initrd.gz vga=788 quiet
[02:49] <duanedesign> Guest57327: ^
[02:50] <duanedesign> if so maybe try change that line and the one above:
[02:50] <duanedesign>   kernel /casper/vmlinuz
[02:50] <duanedesign>   append boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd.gz vga=788 quiet
[02:55] <byrdiblack> I have this forum post outlining a wifi problem, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10564703#post10564703   and I was wondering if anyone here can clarify some of the advice I got before I ruin my ubuntu on accident! :)
[02:56] <holstein> byrdiblack: im looking
[02:56] <byrdiblack> thanks holstein!
[02:56] <holstein> sometimes you can get by testing a lot of that kind of thing on a live CD
[02:56] <byrdiblack> I already made the huge mistake of installing completely and deleting windows on my first time!
[02:57] <byrdiblack> I shouldve tested through the installation cd for a while first but I didnt expect to come across so many problems:(
[02:58] <holstein> well, now you know
[02:58] <byrdiblack> for sure.
[02:58] <holstein> byrdiblack: id try that driver
[02:58] <holstein> whatever updated one
[02:58] <holstein> cant hurt :)
[02:59] <byrdiblack> Even though my driver doesnt match up with the one those people were talking about?
[02:59] <holstein> byrdiblack: try and read up on the docs
[02:59] <holstein> sometimes the vendors are expecting a certain kernel verion
[02:59] <holstein> byrdiblack: well, i would look at the site for an updated driver for your device
[02:59] <byrdiblack> I'm still a little uncertain on where to find kernals and how to edit them : /
[03:00] <holstein> byrdiblack: in a terminal
[03:00] <holstein> run
[03:00] <holstein> uname -a
[03:00] <byrdiblack> ok i'll check it out (sorry, ive been working on this for 4 days now ready to pull my hair out!)
[03:00] <holstein> ^^ that will tell you what kernel you are booted into
[03:01] <holstein> and IF the docs say you need something different, we can get into that :)
[03:01] <holstein> byrdiblack: i hear you
[03:01] <byrdiblack> i've got 2.6.35-27-generic-pae
[03:01] <holstein> driver support can be frustrating
[03:01] <byrdiblack> so the doc, like on lenovo's website you mean?
[03:01] <holstein> byrdiblack: i was thinking realtek
[03:01] <holstein> try lenovo too though
[03:02] <holstein> byrdiblack: it would be easy for you also...
[03:02] <holstein> to go and download the next verion of ubuntu
[03:02] <holstein> 11.04
[03:02] <holstein> *try it live :)
[03:02] <holstein> see if the support is better
[03:02] <holstein> its not *that* long till 11.04 is final
[03:02] <holstein> SO for a new user, that might be the path of least resistance
[03:03] <byrdiblack> i didn't even think about that
[03:03] <holstein> byrdiblack: its a shot in the dark really
[03:03] <byrdiblack> you think it will be more complete for my system?
[03:03] <holstein> *could
[03:03] <holstein> byrdiblack: i have an EEE i got used
[03:03] <holstein> i installed 10.04 on it
[03:03] <holstein> several things were not working
[03:03] <holstein> sound, wifi
[03:03] <holstein> byrdiblack: i updated
[03:04] <holstein> got a new kernel
[03:04] <holstein> and BOOM :)
[03:04] <holstein> everything was working
[03:04] <byrdiblack> so 10.10 is good for you?
[03:04] <byrdiblack> hmm
[03:04] <holstein> byrdiblack: the kernel team is constantly doing all they can
[03:04] <holstein> all the vendors help them do anyways
[03:04] <holstein> byrdiblack: i use 10.04 mostly
[03:04] <holstein> i have a 10.10 and 11.04 testing installs
[03:05] <holstein> i have 10.10 and 11.04 testing installs *
[03:05] <byrdiblack> can you clarify something about kernals? I'm still unsure how they work really. Like if I were to update to 11.04 for instance..i would also have to get a kernal somehow? or is that part of the update?
[03:05] <holstein> byrdiblack: yes
[03:05] <holstein> byrdiblack: AND
[03:05] <holstein> you can try the newer kernels
[03:05] <holstein> 'mainline' kernel
[03:06] <byrdiblack> i see?
[03:06] <holstein> you'll see that in the bug reports sometimes
[03:06] <byrdiblack> ha
[03:06] <holstein> BUT, for you
[03:06] <holstein> id just burn a CD
[03:06] <holstein> and try it live
[03:06] <holstein> THEN, you can decide what you want to hassle with
[03:06] <byrdiblack> Do you think it would be better for me to go down a level instead of up to 11.04? like maybe 10.04 is most updated now?
[03:06] <holstein> byrdiblack: it really depends on that device
[03:06] <byrdiblack> ok
[03:06] <holstein> the one thats giving you trouble
[03:07] <holstein> byrdiblack: in theory, we *should* be able to make it work in whatever version
[03:07] <holstein> assuming realtek is co-opporative
[03:08] <byrdiblack> everytime i feel like i'm getting a grip on this, my whole world is shattered with new information. ha
[03:08] <holstein> byrdiblack: wait a minute...
[03:08] <holstein> im finding something helpful, i think
[03:09] <holstein> byrdiblack: eh, kinda
[03:09] <holstein> looks like, in a terminal
[03:09] <holstein> sudo rmmod r8192se_pci && sleep 2 && sudo modprobe r8192se_pci
[03:09] <holstein> will reset the device
[03:09] <holstein> so you dont have to reboot
[03:10] <holstein> byrdiblack: this is relavant
[03:10] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/695824
[03:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 695824 in linux "Qosmio x505-892 RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller disconnects (dup-of: 687692)" [Undecided,New]
[03:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 687692 in linux "Realtek 8191SEvB wireless card drops connections and can't reconnect without reboot" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:10] <holstein> byrdiblack: i know the last guy there
[03:11] <holstein> you gonna be around?
[03:11] <byrdiblack> wow, it's just right there
[03:11] <holstein> i'll ask him whats up with it...
[03:11] <byrdiblack> ha
[03:11] <byrdiblack> thank you so much, i'll be here
[03:11] <holstein> nah, he's not on :/
[03:11] <byrdiblack> doh!
[03:11] <holstein> still, that'll get you somewhere further
[03:11] <byrdiblack> sorry, i'm feeling goofy and sleep deprived about it.
[03:12] <holstein> byrdiblack: go to
[03:12] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/695824
[03:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 695824 in linux "Qosmio x505-892 RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller disconnects (dup-of: 687692)" [Undecided,New]
[03:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 687692 in linux "Realtek 8191SEvB wireless card drops connections and can't reconnect without reboot" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:12] <holstein> and add yourself
[03:12] <holstein> you'll get emails about it :)
[03:12] <holstein> still worth trying 11.04 live though i think
[03:12] <holstein> thats an easy-ish way for you to try a totally different kernel
[03:13] <byrdiblack> where do I add on that bug report?
[03:14] <byrdiblack> subscribe?
[03:14] <holstein> yeah
[03:14] <holstein> if theres not a 'this also effects me'
[03:14] <holstein> i guess thats it
[03:15] <ddecator> "also affects me" won't cause you to get emails i don't think
[03:15] <Guest57327> duanedesign: The line says "append boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd.lz splash" I tried to change it to what you said, but nothing
[03:15] <holstein> yeah, i think ddecator is right
[03:15] <holstein> you need to do both
[03:15] <holstein> assuming you want emails *
[03:16] <holstein> i like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/687692 better
[03:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 687692 in linux "Realtek 8191SEvB wireless card drops connections and can't reconnect without reboot" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:16] <holstein> more info
[03:18] <byrdiblack> ok i'll add both
[03:18] <byrdiblack> thanks so much
[03:18] <holstein> byrdiblack: good luck :)
[03:21] <byrdiblack> I'm going to try 11.04 on a disc and see if it is resolved through there.
[03:21] <byrdiblack> if not, i guess ubuntu and my computer might not be a match yet:/
[03:21] <holstein> eh, if its not, come back though
[03:21] <byrdiblack> I definitely will.
[03:21] <holstein> and we'll try some more aggressive tactics :)
[03:21] <byrdiblack> btw- where is 11.04?
[03:22] <byrdiblack> every list i find is missing it
[03:22] <holstein> i would get
[03:22] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[03:23] <holstein> if you dont mind burning a DVD
[03:23] <holstein> OR
[03:24] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/alpha-3/
[03:24] <holstein> looks like ^^ will fit on a CD
[03:25] <ddecator> heh, from what i've heard, ubuntu natty is still fairly unstable..
[03:25] <holstein> ddecator: it better be shaping up soon ;)
[03:26] <byrdiblack> think i should go backwards in that case? uhhhg
[03:26] <byrdiblack> haha
[03:26] <byrdiblack> ubuntu yer killin me!
[03:26] <ddecator> holstein: i switched to kubuntu, so i'm not worried ;)
[03:26] <byrdiblack> is that a better option still?
[03:26] <byrdiblack> ha
[03:26] <holstein> ddecator: hehe :)
[03:26] <holstein> byrdiblack: any 11.04 release of whatever buntu
[03:26] <holstein> should get you a different kernel to try
[03:27] <byrdiblack> here's hoping.
[03:27] <byrdiblack> how come new releases come out so quickly when older versions are not running smoothly for folks?
[03:28] <holstein> byrdiblack: well, lets take your device for example
[03:28] <holstein> IF realtek is not releasing information about it
[03:28] <holstein> THEN, theres really nothing to be done
[03:29] <holstein> byrdiblack: but, that is a good question
[03:29] <holstein> why not really focus on 10.04 or whatever
[03:29] <holstein> byrdiblack: do a rolling release
[03:29] <holstein> the argument i heard that really makes sense is
[03:29] <holstein> it gets folks working
[03:29] <holstein> meeting deadlines
[03:29] <byrdiblack> that makes sense
[03:30] <holstein> there are good things about both really
[03:30] <holstein> thats what is great about linux though
[03:30] <holstein> choice :)
[03:31] <byrdiblack> it's true. I know I definitely want it to work for me. I'm a big proponant of open source/ free culture otherwise!
[03:31] <holstein> yeah, its challenging when you have certain hardware
[03:31] <holstein> if you can plan ahead
[03:31] <holstein> take a live CD with you
[03:31] <holstein> *which wouldnt really have helped you in this case
[03:31] <holstein> or by from a linux shop
[03:31] <holstein> like system76
[03:32] <byrdiblack> i was going by cory doctorow's advice
[03:32] <holstein> ?
[03:32] <byrdiblack> i thought that buying lenovo from the store was the right option for ubuntu!
[03:32] <holstein> its not a bad option
[03:32] <holstein> you just got a fiddly device
[03:32] <byrdiblack> he's this ubuntu supporter writer
[03:33] <holstein> intel is the way to go
[03:33] <holstein> for ease
[03:33] <holstein> *usually
[03:34] <byrdiblack> ok, i'm trying this link now, because the wifi is shotty on the lenovo, im downloading the iso on my mac and burning to cd: Desktop CD for PC (Intel x86)
[03:34] <byrdiblack> is that the right one?
[03:34] <holstein> byrdiblack: should be
[03:34] <holstein> you might have a 64bit box
[03:34] <holstein> you can try that if you want
[03:35] <byrdiblack> how do i find out?
[03:35] <holstein> the the 32bit one is fine :)
[03:35] <byrdiblack> it is intel
[03:35] <holstein> yeah, do 32bit
[03:35] <holstein> unless you have some reason to do otherwise
[03:36] <byrdiblack> ha, well if its super fast and i can handle it
[03:36] <byrdiblack> it would be cool
[03:36] <holstein> nah
[03:36] <holstein> its not really faster in anyway you would immediately notice
[03:36] <byrdiblack> gotcha
[03:36] <holstein> and 64bit can be more of a pain in some ways
[04:35] <byrdiblack> holstein: not sure if you are still around, just finally got the 11.04 iso burnt to disc, but when i restart my computer with it in the drive, it won't boot from that cd. I tried to inteupt the boot and choose the DVD drive to boot from, but it still went directly to my 10.10 desktop. Does it have to run from a startup or can I just select the cd icon on my desktop and run there?
[04:35] <byrdiblack> (probably a dumb question, but i want to eliminate as much user-error as possibility in setting this up!)
[04:35] <holstein> byrdiblack: hmmm
[04:35] <holstein> thats interesting
[04:35] <holstein> im not sure whats going on
[04:36] <holstein> but, yeah, you'll need to just get it from the start
[04:36] <holstein> not clicking the icon
[04:37] <byrdiblack> ok, i'm restarting again, maybe i should enter bios?
[04:37] <holstein> eh
[04:37] <holstein> maybe
[04:37] <holstein> maybe its the DVD?
[04:37] <holstein> byrdiblack: its a long shot anyways
[04:37] <holstein> i wouldnt get on a new vedetta about it ;)
[04:38] <holstein> actually, i *would*
[04:38] <holstein> but you shouldnt
[04:38] <byrdiblack> vedetta?
[04:38] <byrdiblack> ha
[04:39] <holstein> vendetta * :)
[04:39] <byrdiblack> ok, tried with a burnt dvd now...
[04:39] <byrdiblack> no dice, it went straight to 10.10
[04:39] <holstein> yeah
[04:39] <holstein> i mean, you can try that CD one
[04:39] <holstein> the older alpha
[04:39] <holstein> IF you know the system likes to boot CD's
[04:39] <byrdiblack> ok i'm in startup interrupt
[04:40] <byrdiblack> do you think i should use the option to choose a temp startup device?
[04:40] <holstein> who knows
[04:40] <holstein> byrdiblack: also, that mainline kernel link
[04:40] <byrdiblack> ok..hmm.
[04:40] <holstein> in that bug
[04:40] <byrdiblack> i tried a cd it didnt boot
[04:40] <byrdiblack> and now im trying a dvd..
[04:40] <byrdiblack> didnt boot auto
[04:40] <holstein> byrdiblack: OH
[04:40] <holstein> look in the bios then
[04:40] <holstein> and make sure
[04:40] <holstein> i thought this was a machine that had already booted discs easily
[04:41] <byrdiblack> sorry, no, it seems to be a problem in booting
[04:41] <byrdiblack> it reads discs, like music discs when inserted
[04:41] <byrdiblack> but not when started up with them
[04:41] <holstein> yeah, check the bios
[04:41] <byrdiblack> so in bios, i assume i go to startup?
[04:41] <holstein> its machine specific
[04:41] <holstein> usually
[04:42] <holstein> when the machine is starting up
[04:42] <holstein> F2 or something
[04:42] <byrdiblack> yea im in there now
[04:42] <byrdiblack> i have a couple options, one is boot priority oder
[04:42] <holstein> yeah, that should be it
[04:42] <holstein> see where the optical drive is
[04:43] <holstein> in the list
[04:43] <byrdiblack> ok im moving it to the top of the priority list
[04:43] <byrdiblack> hope this works, uhhhg
[04:43] <xAndromeda> hey um, my wireless stopped working today, :O
[04:44] <holstein> xAndromeda: drag :/
[04:44] <holstein> did you update?
[04:44] <holstein> can you boot into an older kernel to test?
[04:44] <xAndromeda> i think so
[04:44] <holstein> if you dont see a list of kernels in grub at boot
[04:44] <holstein> i think its shift you push
[04:44] <holstein> at boot
[04:44] <holstein> to show them
[04:44] <xAndromeda> kk ill try that
[04:44] <xAndromeda> brb
[04:44] <holstein> just choose an older one and see :)
[04:46] <byrdiblack> ok didnt work again, EXCEPT when ubuntu 10.10 loaded, i had an error that said "the panel encounteed a prolem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet" is this related?
[04:46] <holstein> nope
[04:46] <byrdiblack> ah
[04:46] <byrdiblack> ok
[04:46] <holstein> byrdiblack: i saw that
[04:46] <byrdiblack> well its saying, do i want to delete the applet
[04:46] <holstein> and i updated and fixed it
[04:46] <holstein> byrdiblack: just log out
[04:46] <holstein> and back in
[04:47] <holstein> should be fine
[04:47] <byrdiblack> ok trying to restart again and get this dvd to run! I dont know why i cant boot from dvd drive!
[04:48] <holstein> yeah, sometimes its tricky
[04:48] <xAndromeda> nope
[04:49] <holstein> xAndromeda: hmmm
[04:49] <xAndromeda> still dosnt work :*(
[04:49] <xAndromeda> it was working 2 days ago O.o
[04:49] <holstein> xAndromeda: can you confirm its not hardware?
[04:49] <xAndromeda> how do i do that?
[04:49] <holstein> is there another OS on the machine?
[04:49] <holstein> you can try some live media if not
[04:49] <xAndromeda> oh right it worked on windows
[04:49] <holstein> OK
[04:50] <holstein> hmmm
[04:50] <xAndromeda> it just says wireless disabled
[04:50] <holstein> xAndromeda: can you enable it?
[04:50] <xAndromeda> nope
[04:50] <xAndromeda> or idk how
[04:50] <xAndromeda> not on the pannel icon anyways
[04:51] <holstein> double check any function keys or switches
[04:51] <holstein> and tell me what device it is
[04:52] <xAndromeda> hpg60 538ca theres a wireless button but it dosnt work, it only changes colours if wireless is in action
[04:54] <holstein> seems like you've disabled it in the menu somehow right?
[04:55] <holstein> anyways, i gotta crash... good luck folks :)
[04:55] <xAndromeda> awwws :P
[04:58] <xAndromeda> anybody else here?
[04:59] <byrdiblack> ok i reordered the boot order and tried several times and could not figure it out because the dvd was making noise...wanna laugh?
[04:59] <byrdiblack> I had the disc in upside down
[04:59] <byrdiblack> hehe
[05:01] <byrdiblack> i'm trying to imagine what it's like to help people like me all day long, with luck you rarely encounter this level
[05:17] <Guest6587> Ok, I'm booting off the live CD but after the initial boot menu and some startup text the screen is completely blank - the backlight is even turning off.  I'm shure it's staring up, it makes the 'welcome' sound after a few seconds
[05:27] <seidos> Guest6587: 10.04?
[05:28] <Guest6587> seidos: 10.10, I'm in the process of changing the USB to 10.04
[05:29] <seidos> Guest6587: is it a laptop?  netbook?  what video card?
[05:30] <seidos> let me check launchpad
[05:30] <Guest6587> Desktop: Compaq Presario SR1917CL
[05:33] <seidos> how much time did you give the livecd to come up Guest6587?
[05:34] <Cheri703> Guest6587: it may be your video card...I had that happen with mine
[05:34] <Guest6587> seidos: about 15 minutes, it's the built-in card
[05:36] <seidos> hmmm, built in nvidia graphics
[05:37] <seidos> Guest6587: 64bit?
[05:38] <seidos> apparently GeForce 6150LE
[05:38] <Guest6587> seidos: I'm using the 32bit download
[05:38] <seidos> Guest6587: you might consider trying the 64bit version of meerkat
[05:40] <seidos> Guest6587: basically, we need to see if we can find someone with hardware similar to your own, that is working fine.  let me check the forums.
[05:42] <seidos> Guest6587: i see issues with screen resolution, but not a blank screen.  keep me posted on your progress, i'm going to get another coke :)
[05:42] <seidos> Guest6587: another idea!  where are you located?  there may be a Linux User Group or a Ubuntu User Group in your area that can help you out in person :)
[05:45] <Guest6587> seidos: Just tried 10.04 32bit: same results, I'm in Minneapolis
[05:48] <Guest6587> seidos: ~20min left on the 64bit download
[05:49] <seidos> Guest6587: are you using bit torrent to download the isos?  it is usually quite a bit faster.
[05:50] <seidos> Guest6587: i am speculating, but 6150 chipset might be too new, and didn't get support in the newest kernel
[05:52] <seidos> well, it should still default to vesa driver i would think
[05:52] <seidos> i don't know
[05:55] <Guest6587> seidos: good point, ~6min with bittorrent
[05:55] <seidos> people have had issues with the 6150LE, but i can't find anything on a blankscreen on livecd
[05:56] <seidos> well, if you can, try 32/64 10.04, 64 10.10.  if none of those works, i could walk you through filing a bug.
[05:57] <seidos> oh yeah!  let me see what i can find on Minneapolis UUG.
[05:58] <seidos> Guest6587: there's a LUG here:  http://www.mn-linux.org/ perhaps it's in your area?
[06:00] <seidos> Guest6587: here's a forum thread on MN ubuntu users:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=933872&page=2
[06:00] <seidos> Guest6587: there is a #ubuntu-us-mn channel
[06:20] <duanedesign> hello seidos
[06:20] <seidos> hello duanedesign
[06:48] <seidos> that worked out pretty good.  introduced a new user to their ubuntu user group
[06:48] <seidos> gotta' go to bed though
[06:56] <bioterror> couple of years and he's using something more leet
[07:23] <andrew_46> bioterror: new version of slackware will actually be leet :)
[07:23] <andrew_46> 13.37
[08:18] <newbie_001> using synaptic i uninstalled ruby 1.8 and installed ruby 1.9.1 - when i tried to run ruby i got permission denied - i changed ownership of ruby 1.9 to user same deal - used apt-get install ruby and it reinstalled ruby1.8.7 - used apt-get install ruby1.9.1 which told me was already latest version - how to i get 'cli ruby' to use ruby1.9.1 instead of ruby1.8.7
[08:19] <bioterror> newbie_001, say "ruby --version"
[08:20] <newbie_001> will that make it default version so that in future just ruby will activate 1.9
[11:40] <s-fox> =)
[12:21] <duanedesign> s-fox: hello hello
[12:21] <s-fox> Hello duanedesign .
[12:21] <s-fox> How are you?
[12:22] <s-fox> It is really busy here ;)
[12:22] <duanedesign> :)
[12:23] <duanedesign> s-fox: working on my PHP game
[12:23] <s-fox> Well, my offer remains intact.
[12:23] <duanedesign> s-fox: i might take you up on that
[12:24] <duanedesign> s-fox: if i leave a field blank i get an error
[12:33] <whoaski> hello room
[12:34] <whoaski> I need help with the command line
[12:35] <s-fox> What do you wish to know?
[12:38] <whoaski> sorry I was away, I'm tring to set up a development server for ruby on rails
[12:39] <whoaski> I have a fresh install ubuntu 10.04 server, apache2,mysql,and rails
[12:40] <whoaski> i'm just having problems navigating w/ the termminal
[12:41] <whoaski> I think I have found a guide @ http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FullBashGuide
[12:41] <s-fox> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal#File%20&%20Directory%20Commands#cd
[12:44] <whoaski> thanks fox, do you think the link I posted is good too, I have limited time online and the one I posted has a pdf, is it the same?
[12:45] <whoaski> bash=terminal?
[12:45] <whoaski> i found it at tha bottom of the link you posted
[12:52] <whoaski> gotta go have a good morning everybody
[17:22] <maz> is there anyone who can give me some help?
[17:23] <maz> i installed ubunti netbook edition today, and i got hold of a book for beginners using ubuntu, and it makes reference to the menu bar
[17:24] <maz> where is this menu bar
[17:24] <maz> ?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> menu bar is that thing that says "file edit view " when you open anything
[17:25] <charlie-tca> not every app will have one, though
[17:26] <charlie-tca> crap
[17:26] <maz> ok how do i change system settings?
[17:26] <charlie-tca> you installed netbook edition, with the thing on the left?
[17:26] <maz> yes the vertical bar on the left
[17:26] <charlie-tca> You might have that file menu across the top of the screen
[17:26] <charlie-tca> everything changed for that edition
[17:27] <maz> so when i go to the desktop, there is nothing acros the top of the screen, only the vertical bar along the side, is this supposed to be the case?
[17:27] <charlie-tca> system settings are broken down, I think. You might be able to click the symbol in the top left to see a menu
[17:27] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:28] <charlie-tca> completely different from anything else done to date
[17:28] <maz> yeah the button in the very top left, when i click this i get 8 icons,  web, music, photos, games, email, office, files and apps
[17:28] <maz> no system settings?
[17:28] <charlie-tca> nope
[17:28] <charlie-tca> is there a "search"?
[17:28] <maz> yes
[17:29] <maz> what should i search for?
[17:29] <charlie-tca> type in "system settings" and see what happens
[17:30] <charlie-tca> It should be intuitive searching, so as you type, it changes those icons below it
[17:30] <maz> i get 3 icons
[17:30] <charlie-tca> any names ?
[17:31] <maz>  it just freezes and switches back to this window before i can read the names
[17:31] <maz> one second ill try again
[17:32] <charlie-tca> You might want to install the desktop edition instead of that netbook edition
[17:32] <charlie-tca> It is more like your book
[17:32] <maz> do i just download it and mount it on a usb the same way?
[17:32] <charlie-tca> yes
[17:32] <maz> ok, thanks very much for your help
[17:33] <charlie-tca> yw, good luck with that one
[18:53] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[19:00] <kristian-aalborg> is the Netinstall (mini.iso) smaller than the Server Edition?
[20:59] <jland5090> need help... I get an error when trying to move files from home directory to a removable usb device... is it simply a problem with permissions?
[21:02] <aveilleux> jland5090: What error?
[21:05] <jland5090> it gives an error while copying, error opening, permission denied
[21:06] <aveilleux> jland5090: This is from YOUR home directory?
[21:07] <jland5090> actually, nevermind! i was concerned with changing the permissions of the usb device, rather than the actual files themselves...
[21:07] <jland5090> i'm still trying to figure out linux... thanks for the help
[22:16] <kristian-aalborg> what is the clever way to move an OS from a usb pen to an sd card?
[22:17] <kristian-aalborg> can I rsync it?
[22:20]  * kristian-aalborg googles
[22:27] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: You can use dd I guess
[22:30]  * kristian-aalborg fears dd
[22:30] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: Just be careful and you'll be fine
[22:31] <geirha> If you rsync it you need to edit certain files afterwards to change all occurances of the UUID(s) of the old filesystem(s) to the new filesystem UUID(s).
[22:32] <kristian-aalborg> I'm giving gparted a shot, it should be possible