[00:00] <BobJonkman1> Yes, sadly I will be returning to regular hours in April.  So someone will have to take over...
[00:00] <dscassel> BobJonkman1: There's always the monthly Waterloo hour. :)
[00:00] <BobJonkman1> Hurray!
[00:01] <dscassel> Whelp, it's 8.  if anybody needs help getting LoCo directory events set up or getting access to the website (maybe), we'll be online for a bit.
[00:02] <dscassel> Ask away.
[00:03] <komputes> If anyone here is testing Natty and has bugs they would like to discuss, feel free to send Bug URLs my way on a private message.
[00:03] <txwikinger> next meeting will be sometime before the release parties maybe about 10-14 days before that
[00:04] <staticsafe> heh, can't wait till Natty comes out.
[00:05] <dscassel> Thanks, komputes.
[00:05] <dscassel> I'll be upgrading my netbook in the next couple days.
[00:05]  * txwikinger has already one natty server running
[00:05] <komputes> staticsafe: Remember Beta is March 31st
[00:05] <dscassel> (I can live without it if it falls over. :)
[00:06] <staticsafe> I wanna give Ubuntu another go on my Macbook Pro
[00:06] <staticsafe> so I'm waiting till Natty
[00:06] <komputes> staticsafe: MBP 7,1 ?
[00:06] <staticsafe> komputes: 5,5
[00:06] <staticsafe> late 2009 model
[00:07] <staticsafe> i have installed lucid and maverick on it before, just waiting till natty comes out to install Ubuntu on it
[00:07] <komputes> staticsafe: oh. have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Maverick and write up diffs for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Natty if you can.
[00:08] <staticsafe> will do
[00:08] <komputes> staticsafe: feel free to ping me if you need help
[00:09] <staticsafe> cool
[00:13] <BobJonkman1> Things have gone quiet.  Is the meeting over?
[00:13] <dscassel> BobJonkman1: Yup.  but people are still around.
[00:15] <BobJonkman1> OK...  Among other laptop miseries, yesterday I tried out "indicator-network" as recommened by http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/indicator-network-is-looking-good-in-natty/
[00:15] <BobJonkman1> It's not as slick in Meekrat as it will be in Narwhal, so I removed it.
[00:16] <BobJonkman1> But now my Bluetooth is missing; and I miss my BT Mouse.
[00:17] <BobJonkman1> Any hints on how to restore BT?  The "System, Preferences, Bluetooth" tool doesn't show any Bluetooth devices on my laptop.
[00:19] <BobJonkman1> The "System, Preferences, Bluetooth Manager" tool shows previously used BT devices, but gives the error message "Connection Failed: Host is down (112)"
[00:21] <BobJonkman1> O HO!  Just went through the setup and pairing process again, and now my BT Mouse is restored.
[01:33] <dscassel> Bluetooth mice always seem to get shafted.
[02:26] <Amgine> argh. I was out having dinner and missed the meting.
[02:35] <willwh> << me too
[02:35] <willwh> I just got back in the door :(
[02:38] <dscassel> Amgine, willwh anything you want to add?  :)
[02:38] <Amgine> Unfortunately I'm being pinged to death and haven't had a chance to read the backscroll... but likely not.
[02:39] <willwh> dscassel: nor me likely, actually not running ubuntu on any of my boxes
[02:39] <willwh> all servers are debian squeeze now :o
[02:39] <willwh> laptop is running arch
[02:39] <dscassel> *shrug*, we've got a few Debian people in our Ubuntu Waterloo group.
[02:39] <willwh> yah :]
[02:39] <dscassel> I'm not offended. :)
[02:39] <willwh> s'why I'm still ere
[02:40] <willwh> just likely don't have too much to contrib tonight
[02:40] <willwh> anyone here use drupal?
[02:40] <willwh> I am looking for some tips on my debugging environment
[02:40] <willwh> trying to learn php
[02:40] <dscassel> txwikinger is a drupal guy.  BobJonkman1 does some as well.
[02:40] <dscassel> (I try not to touch it. :)
[02:41] <Amgine> <mediawiki person>
[02:43] <dscassel> willwh: Are you trying to debug a module? Or Drupal itself?
[02:43] <willwh> a module :]
[02:43] <dscassel> (not that I have too many suggestions...)
[02:44] <willwh> yeah - well - I have my lamp box under teh floor (server)
[02:44] <willwh> so have xdebug, eclipse etc
[02:44] <willwh> and - I guess this module is in a state of flux
[02:46] <Amgine> I know a wonderful drupal person, but I don't think she's cheap.
[02:48] <Amgine> https://identi.ca/notice/67070502 <- Majnoona is Evan's SO, http://www.majink.org
[09:04] <whoaski> can anybody help me w/ my server?
[09:07] <whoaski> i just installed ubuntu 10.10 server on a computer with apache2,mysql, and rails
[09:08] <whoaski> but I don't know how to configure it from the command line
[09:08] <whoaski> anybody know any resources or links to learn the command line for ubuntu?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:24]  * genii-around makes coffee
[14:33] <dscassel> Morning, BluesKaj, genii-around
[14:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning , genii-around, dscassel
[14:34]  * genii-around passes around the breakfast bagels
[14:52] <wmat> morning
[14:52]  * BluesKaj watches the snow melt....kinda boring
[14:52] <BluesKaj> 'Morning, wmat
[15:13]  * BluesKaj wonders what going on with this german guy sipherdee, joining and flooding
[15:38] <cyphermox> BluesKaj, I think sipherdee actually isn't there but his bouncer has issues
[15:40] <BluesKaj> cyphermox, right , he's probly got an malfunctioning autojoin in his irc client
[15:40] <dscassel> I ignore joins parts and quits.  That's probably why I'm not seeing any shenanigans.
[15:41] <dscassel> If it's a problem, I can see if I can do something about it.
[15:41] <cyphermox> dscassel, wise move
[15:41] <dscassel> But I'm pretty ignorant about IRC stuff, still
[15:42] <cyphermox> dscassel, dunno. I banned him on #ubuntu-qc after sending him a memo to tell him to ping me when his stuff is fixed today, and I'll clean up the ban later regardless
[15:42] <cyphermox> it's not overly disruptive anyway
[15:44]  * BluesKaj prefers to see who joins and quits , guess it's just my curious nature
[15:44] <dscassel> It's kind of annoying when someone you go to talk to has already left and you don't know about it.
[15:45] <dscassel> But otherwise, it's just too much noise.
[15:46] <dscassel> I kinda wish sometimes I had one of those new-fangled "GUI" IRC clients that just showed you who was there.
[15:47] <dscassel> But I <3 screen + irssi.  I could never leave it.
[16:16] <komputes> dscassel: hey there
[16:20] <cyphermox> dscassel, gotta agree there that irssi + screen is great, but I find it falls apart when you follow more than about 10 channels
[16:21] <willwh> cyphermox: really? I'm in 27 across 3 servers
[16:22] <willwh> and it's just fine here :]
[16:22] <willwh> I guess depends on how you display channels etc
[16:24] <wmat> cyphermox: falls apart how?  Similar to willwh, I'm in 18 channels across 4 servers and love irssi + screen.
[16:25] <willwh> http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi <- this puppy gets so much traction
[16:25] <willwh> it really is a nice way to set it all up though :]
[16:26] <cyphermox> really, then my setup must be crap
[16:26] <willwh> I'd say so :)
[16:26] <willwh> without seeing it
[16:26] <willwh> one sec I'll show you a screenshot of mine
[16:27] <cyphermox> heh, looks like the guide pretty much already lists what I had set up
[16:28] <willwh> ah
[16:28] <cyphermox> maybe I'm just lazy, I like the 0-9 shortcuts but at some point you got too many channels for that no?
[16:28] <willwh> yeah it goes onward to letters
[16:29] <wmat> cyphermox: 11->19 == q->o
[16:29] <willwh> 20+ = a bit craxzy
[16:29] <willwh> enough ways to window switch though
[16:29] <willwh> and split windows / etc
[16:29] <willwh> argh phone
[16:30] <cyphermox> willwh, yeah, I got the 11-19, but I have more windows open when you count the 4 networks and some 30 channels :/
[16:30] <cyphermox> but I get what you mean, the names can be typed too
[16:31] <cyphermox> the annoying thing with xchat and all is that you can't stay connected ^.^
[16:33] <willwh> yeah
[16:33] <willwh> well
[16:33] <willwh> you should check out quassel then :]
[16:33] <willwh> it's like screen & irssi functionality
[16:34] <willwh> with an xchat style QT interface
[16:34] <willwh> i.e. server / client
[16:34] <willwh> I used it for a while
[16:34] <willwh> but I <3 irssi too much
[16:40] <genii-around> the quassel package with current Natty crashes on me too much. I had to pull don the git version. But that seems to be stable for now.
[16:44] <genii-around> Weird. So that one just crashed on me now after not misbehaving for 4-5 days
[16:44] <BluesKaj> konversation is stable as a rock on natty
[16:45] <genii-around> Cool.
[16:50] <willwh> < gnome user :)
[16:50] <willwh> on the laptop anyway
[16:50] <willwh> my desktop rig is running (gasp!) Windows 7
[16:51] <BluesKaj> rig ? , must be an audio geek too, willwh
[16:52] <willwh> nae, just heard the term a lot
[16:52] <willwh> and it works :>
[16:53] <BluesKaj> well, for audio I aleays thought it was a silly word ,made it sound industrial. like firing up my krell amp ...exaggerating the power and size of the system
[16:54] <BluesKaj> audio geek BS in other words :)
[17:22]  * dscassel is back from lunch.
[17:22] <staticsafe> wb dscassel
[17:22] <dscassel> Hey, komputes
[17:22] <staticsafe> Irssi 0.8.14 (20090728) - http://irssi.org/
[17:22] <staticsafe> hmm
[17:22] <komputes> Hey dscassel , just read your response to the Unity thread.
[17:23] <komputes> dscassel: I was just wondering, where did you see that Xubuntu was an officially supported derivative?
[17:23] <staticsafe> dscassel: got some responses from TLUG about the Ubuntu Hour
[17:25] <dscassel> komputes: Isn't it one of the official *buntus?
[17:25] <dscassel> Looking...
[17:25] <dscassel> staticsafe: Anything positive? :)
[17:25] <dscassel> I could be wrong.  It happens sometimes...
[17:26] <staticsafe> dscassel: a guys named Sammy said he has been talking to you
[17:26] <dscassel> ...Sammy...
[17:26] <dscassel> Oh yeah, the Free Geek Toronto guy!
[17:26] <dscassel> Yeah, cool.
[17:27] <komputes> dscassel: I believe that other than Ubuntu, derivatives are community-supported. I was just wondering if what you mentioned is published anywhere.
[17:27] <komputes> if not, thats ok
[17:28] <dscassel> The last Ubuntu-uk podcast had the list of official *buntus as a trivia question...
[17:29] <dscassel> Of course, the distinction between "official" and "supported" is probably more important and better understood by the people actually providing said support.. :)
[17:38] <genii-around> Weird. I was just over at FreeGeek on Sunday working on a small clustering project.
[17:39] <staticsafe> damn, the FreeGeek place seems to be a little far from here in Scarborough
[17:39] <genii-around> staticsafe: Yeah it's near Dundas and Steeles
[18:56] <cyphermox> komputes, you're kind of right but at the same time Xubuntu and Kubuntu are special (like ubuntustudio, ubuntu-server, mythbuntu...), in the way that they have official daily builds, and milestone testing... whereas other spins do not (e.g. lubuntu doesn't have dailies yet, gobuntu no longer does...)
[18:56] <cyphermox> ^ and they all have the same plumbing layer, or almost the same, which means the core OS is supported, even if part of the UI isn't
[19:11] <komputes> cyphermox: good point, I could see how dailies would make people perceive that they are fully supported
[19:15] <cyphermox> furthermore, I'm under the impression that most of these things are under main
[19:15] <cyphermox> what's in main is Canonical supported, no?
[19:16] <cyphermox> I know edubuntu is a special case because it does not, but xubuntu would mostly like in main, I think
[19:16] <cyphermox> and I find myself being totally wrong
[19:18] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/581262/ -- thunar, the default file manager in xubuntu, is in universe. so is xubuntu-default-settings
[19:20] <genii-around> Hm. I wonder if I can scoop the decorative penguin here at work without someone noticing
[19:32] <willwh> genii-around: pixx pls
[19:33] <genii-around> I'll have to use my laptop cam, the phone one is busted
[19:48] <genii-around> willwh: http://imagebin.org/143402
[19:49] <hypatia> that is a serious penguin
[19:50] <genii-around> Hehe, yes
[19:50] <dscassel> cyphermox, komputes: is ubuntu-qc doing anything for global jam?
[19:51] <genii-around> hypatia: There are some others around, but not with feathers like this one. They use em here for Christmas decorations
[19:52] <komputes> dscassel: we discussed it and it will probably take place at SupInfo, a private tech school near McGill
[19:53] <willwh> uhhh
[19:53] <willwh> genii-around: haha - I am not quite sure what to say
[19:53] <willwh> I love penguins, don't get me wrong
[19:53] <willwh> but that one, is a little creepy :)
[19:54] <willwh> creepy, yet, the more I look at it, the more awesome it is
[19:54] <willwh> haha :)
[19:54] <genii-around> Hangon. I'll get the two other "cute" ones :)
[19:57] <cyphermox> dscassel, yup, just waiting for the confirmation from the supinfo people that we're okay for the rooms, and I'll announce it
[19:57] <cyphermox> this time I haven't made a call for people who were interested in helping organize this because I don't have time :/
[19:58] <cyphermox> but hopefully we'll have enough interest for some good bug finding -> bug fixing -> upload process going on
[19:59] <genii-around> OK, got em. http://imagebin.org/143405  and http://imagebin.org/143407
[20:00] <genii-around> They're pretty dusty from being down here in the basement :(
[20:10] <genii-around> willwh: I do like the feathery one best
[20:12] <dscassel> cyphermox: Cool, drop a note here when you make the announcment.
[20:12] <dscassel> I want to get something up on the ubuntu-ca.org site about it soon.
[20:15] <cyphermox> dscassel, yup, good plan. I'd probably need to fetch whomever updates the ubuntu-qc.org site too ;)
[23:01] <capmtripps> hey all
[23:02] <staticsafe> hey capmtripps
[23:12] <capmtripps> so, whats new with ubuntu?
[23:12] <capmtripps> i got 10.10 and didnt really find much difference with 10.04 (my first intall