[00:00] Yes, sadly I will be returning to regular hours in April. So someone will have to take over... [00:00] BobJonkman1: There's always the monthly Waterloo hour. :) [00:00] Hurray! [00:01] Whelp, it's 8. if anybody needs help getting LoCo directory events set up or getting access to the website (maybe), we'll be online for a bit. [00:02] Ask away. [00:03] If anyone here is testing Natty and has bugs they would like to discuss, feel free to send Bug URLs my way on a private message. [00:03] next meeting will be sometime before the release parties maybe about 10-14 days before that [00:04] heh, can't wait till Natty comes out. [00:05] Thanks, komputes. [00:05] I'll be upgrading my netbook in the next couple days. [00:05] * txwikinger has already one natty server running [00:05] staticsafe: Remember Beta is March 31st [00:05] (I can live without it if it falls over. :) [00:06] I wanna give Ubuntu another go on my Macbook Pro [00:06] so I'm waiting till Natty [00:06] staticsafe: MBP 7,1 ? [00:06] komputes: 5,5 [00:06] late 2009 model [00:07] i have installed lucid and maverick on it before, just waiting till natty comes out to install Ubuntu on it [00:07] staticsafe: oh. have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Maverick and write up diffs for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Natty if you can. [00:08] will do [00:08] staticsafe: feel free to ping me if you need help [00:09] cool [00:13] Things have gone quiet. Is the meeting over? [00:13] BobJonkman1: Yup. but people are still around. [00:15] OK... Among other laptop miseries, yesterday I tried out "indicator-network" as recommened by http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/indicator-network-is-looking-good-in-natty/ [00:15] It's not as slick in Meekrat as it will be in Narwhal, so I removed it. [00:16] But now my Bluetooth is missing; and I miss my BT Mouse. [00:17] Any hints on how to restore BT? The "System, Preferences, Bluetooth" tool doesn't show any Bluetooth devices on my laptop. [00:19] The "System, Preferences, Bluetooth Manager" tool shows previously used BT devices, but gives the error message "Connection Failed: Host is down (112)" [00:21] O HO! Just went through the setup and pairing process again, and now my BT Mouse is restored. [01:33] Bluetooth mice always seem to get shafted. [02:26] argh. I was out having dinner and missed the meting. [02:35] << me too [02:35] I just got back in the door :( [02:38] Amgine, willwh anything you want to add? :) [02:38] Unfortunately I'm being pinged to death and haven't had a chance to read the backscroll... but likely not. [02:39] dscassel: nor me likely, actually not running ubuntu on any of my boxes [02:39] all servers are debian squeeze now :o [02:39] laptop is running arch [02:39] *shrug*, we've got a few Debian people in our Ubuntu Waterloo group. [02:39] yah :] [02:39] I'm not offended. :) [02:39] s'why I'm still ere [02:40] just likely don't have too much to contrib tonight [02:40] anyone here use drupal? [02:40] I am looking for some tips on my debugging environment [02:40] trying to learn php [02:40] txwikinger is a drupal guy. BobJonkman1 does some as well. [02:40] (I try not to touch it. :) [02:41] [02:43] willwh: Are you trying to debug a module? Or Drupal itself? [02:43] a module :] [02:43] (not that I have too many suggestions...) [02:44] yeah - well - I have my lamp box under teh floor (server) [02:44] so have xdebug, eclipse etc [02:44] and - I guess this module is in a state of flux [02:46] I know a wonderful drupal person, but I don't think she's cheap. [02:48] https://identi.ca/notice/67070502 <- Majnoona is Evan's SO, http://www.majink.org [09:04] can anybody help me w/ my server? [09:07] i just installed ubuntu 10.10 server on a computer with apache2,mysql, and rails [09:08] but I don't know how to configure it from the command line [09:08] anybody know any resources or links to learn the command line for ubuntu? === locobot_1_2 is now known as locobot_1 [13:11] howdy [14:24] * genii-around makes coffee [14:33] Morning, BluesKaj, genii-around [14:34] 'Morning , genii-around, dscassel [14:34] * genii-around passes around the breakfast bagels [14:52] morning [14:52] * BluesKaj watches the snow melt....kinda boring [14:52] 'Morning, wmat [15:13] * BluesKaj wonders what going on with this german guy sipherdee, joining and flooding [15:38] BluesKaj, I think sipherdee actually isn't there but his bouncer has issues [15:40] cyphermox, right , he's probly got an malfunctioning autojoin in his irc client [15:40] I ignore joins parts and quits. That's probably why I'm not seeing any shenanigans. [15:41] If it's a problem, I can see if I can do something about it. [15:41] dscassel, wise move [15:41] But I'm pretty ignorant about IRC stuff, still [15:42] dscassel, dunno. I banned him on #ubuntu-qc after sending him a memo to tell him to ping me when his stuff is fixed today, and I'll clean up the ban later regardless [15:42] it's not overly disruptive anyway [15:44] * BluesKaj prefers to see who joins and quits , guess it's just my curious nature [15:44] It's kind of annoying when someone you go to talk to has already left and you don't know about it. [15:45] But otherwise, it's just too much noise. [15:46] I kinda wish sometimes I had one of those new-fangled "GUI" IRC clients that just showed you who was there. [15:47] But I <3 screen + irssi. I could never leave it. [16:16] dscassel: hey there [16:20] dscassel, gotta agree there that irssi + screen is great, but I find it falls apart when you follow more than about 10 channels [16:21] cyphermox: really? I'm in 27 across 3 servers [16:22] and it's just fine here :] [16:22] I guess depends on how you display channels etc [16:24] cyphermox: falls apart how? Similar to willwh, I'm in 18 channels across 4 servers and love irssi + screen. [16:25] http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi <- this puppy gets so much traction [16:25] it really is a nice way to set it all up though :] [16:26] really, then my setup must be crap [16:26] I'd say so :) [16:26] without seeing it [16:26] one sec I'll show you a screenshot of mine [16:27] heh, looks like the guide pretty much already lists what I had set up [16:28] ah [16:28] maybe I'm just lazy, I like the 0-9 shortcuts but at some point you got too many channels for that no? [16:28] yeah it goes onward to letters [16:29] cyphermox: 11->19 == q->o [16:29] 20+ = a bit craxzy [16:29] enough ways to window switch though [16:29] and split windows / etc [16:29] argh phone [16:30] willwh, yeah, I got the 11-19, but I have more windows open when you count the 4 networks and some 30 channels :/ [16:30] but I get what you mean, the names can be typed too [16:31] the annoying thing with xchat and all is that you can't stay connected ^.^ [16:33] yeah [16:33] well [16:33] you should check out quassel then :] [16:33] it's like screen & irssi functionality [16:34] with an xchat style QT interface [16:34] i.e. server / client [16:34] I used it for a while [16:34] but I <3 irssi too much [16:40] the quassel package with current Natty crashes on me too much. I had to pull don the git version. But that seems to be stable for now. [16:44] Weird. So that one just crashed on me now after not misbehaving for 4-5 days [16:44] konversation is stable as a rock on natty [16:45] Cool. [16:50] < gnome user :) [16:50] on the laptop anyway [16:50] my desktop rig is running (gasp!) Windows 7 [16:51] rig ? , must be an audio geek too, willwh [16:52] nae, just heard the term a lot [16:52] and it works :> [16:53] well, for audio I aleays thought it was a silly word ,made it sound industrial. like firing up my krell amp ...exaggerating the power and size of the system [16:54] audio geek BS in other words :) [17:22] * dscassel is back from lunch. [17:22] wb dscassel [17:22] Hey, komputes [17:22] Irssi 0.8.14 (20090728) - http://irssi.org/ [17:22] hmm [17:22] Hey dscassel , just read your response to the Unity thread. [17:23] dscassel: I was just wondering, where did you see that Xubuntu was an officially supported derivative? [17:23] dscassel: got some responses from TLUG about the Ubuntu Hour [17:25] komputes: Isn't it one of the official *buntus? [17:25] Looking... [17:25] staticsafe: Anything positive? :) [17:25] I could be wrong. It happens sometimes... [17:26] dscassel: a guys named Sammy said he has been talking to you [17:26] ...Sammy... [17:26] Oh yeah, the Free Geek Toronto guy! [17:26] Yeah, cool. [17:27] dscassel: I believe that other than Ubuntu, derivatives are community-supported. I was just wondering if what you mentioned is published anywhere. [17:27] if not, thats ok [17:28] The last Ubuntu-uk podcast had the list of official *buntus as a trivia question... [17:29] Of course, the distinction between "official" and "supported" is probably more important and better understood by the people actually providing said support.. :) [17:38] Weird. I was just over at FreeGeek on Sunday working on a small clustering project. [17:39] damn, the FreeGeek place seems to be a little far from here in Scarborough [17:39] staticsafe: Yeah it's near Dundas and Steeles [18:56] komputes, you're kind of right but at the same time Xubuntu and Kubuntu are special (like ubuntustudio, ubuntu-server, mythbuntu...), in the way that they have official daily builds, and milestone testing... whereas other spins do not (e.g. lubuntu doesn't have dailies yet, gobuntu no longer does...) [18:56] ^ and they all have the same plumbing layer, or almost the same, which means the core OS is supported, even if part of the UI isn't [19:11] cyphermox: good point, I could see how dailies would make people perceive that they are fully supported [19:15] furthermore, I'm under the impression that most of these things are under main [19:15] what's in main is Canonical supported, no? [19:16] I know edubuntu is a special case because it does not, but xubuntu would mostly like in main, I think [19:16] and I find myself being totally wrong [19:18] http://paste.ubuntu.com/581262/ -- thunar, the default file manager in xubuntu, is in universe. so is xubuntu-default-settings [19:20] Hm. I wonder if I can scoop the decorative penguin here at work without someone noticing [19:32] genii-around: pixx pls [19:33] I'll have to use my laptop cam, the phone one is busted [19:48] willwh: http://imagebin.org/143402 [19:49] that is a serious penguin [19:50] Hehe, yes [19:50] cyphermox, komputes: is ubuntu-qc doing anything for global jam? [19:51] hypatia: There are some others around, but not with feathers like this one. They use em here for Christmas decorations [19:52] dscassel: we discussed it and it will probably take place at SupInfo, a private tech school near McGill [19:53] uhhh [19:53] genii-around: haha - I am not quite sure what to say [19:53] I love penguins, don't get me wrong [19:53] but that one, is a little creepy :) [19:54] creepy, yet, the more I look at it, the more awesome it is [19:54] haha :) [19:54] Hangon. I'll get the two other "cute" ones :) [19:57] dscassel, yup, just waiting for the confirmation from the supinfo people that we're okay for the rooms, and I'll announce it [19:57] this time I haven't made a call for people who were interested in helping organize this because I don't have time :/ [19:58] but hopefully we'll have enough interest for some good bug finding -> bug fixing -> upload process going on [19:59] OK, got em. http://imagebin.org/143405 and http://imagebin.org/143407 [20:00] They're pretty dusty from being down here in the basement :( [20:10] willwh: I do like the feathery one best [20:12] cyphermox: Cool, drop a note here when you make the announcment. [20:12] I want to get something up on the ubuntu-ca.org site about it soon. [20:15] dscassel, yup, good plan. I'd probably need to fetch whomever updates the ubuntu-qc.org site too ;) [23:01] hey all [23:02] hey capmtripps [23:12] so, whats new with ubuntu? [23:12] i got 10.10 and didnt really find much difference with 10.04 (my first intall