[03:03] jono: going to be working on how the Beginners Team can improve the Dev Focus Group and increase development and packaging participation. [03:04] jono: going to catch daniel in the morning. Thought I would see if you had any thought on the subject as well :) [04:23] duanedesign, sounds awesome :-) [04:40] good morning [04:43] o/ [04:45] finally found out why i have been having dual boot problems. Seems Adobe Flexnet is writing to the MBR [04:46] * duanedesign wishes he did not have to have Adobe Creative Suite for work [04:47] hey nigelb, I wrote something for syn just for you [04:47] paultag: oh? [04:47] nigelb: yarp :) [04:47] nigelb: one second [04:47] * nigelb looks at repo [04:47] nigelb: pasting it [04:48] * nigelb reads paultag's commits and LOLs [04:48] 'doing some good stuff. seems to "work" ' [04:48] 'never open the red door ' [04:48] nigelb: let's be honest, no one else is hacking on this [04:48] haha it crowd [04:48] lol [04:49] nigelb: super alpha -- http://pastebin.com/yqyGTSBF [04:49] nigelb: the email thing is a known bug [04:49] and deps [04:49] but other then that, it works fine [04:49] it installs and links OK [04:49] so that means that I can build up a debian chroot via syn without dpkg [04:50] whoah. [04:50] neat [04:50] nigelb: I should be able to get my server to crunch unstable pkgs into syns for me [04:50] (heh, sins) [04:51] I'm sure you thought of that when you called in syns ;) [04:51] nigelb: I did it so I can call myself a `synner' [04:52] hehe [04:52] I can think of T-shirts displaying that [04:53] heh :) [04:54] nigelb: did you see that python run? [04:54] it linked and unlinked the whole of python three is just about one second [04:55] iirc it was under [04:56] :) [04:56] kk, night ti r for me [04:56] one love [04:56] time for [04:56] g'nite :) [05:13] mr nigelb doing well today? [05:13] duanedesign: internet still down :( [05:13] ugh [05:14] I've been wanting to hack on something with qt, but I have no internet :( [05:15] nigelb: me too! [05:15] nigelb: u have been helping a BT mentee with a project [05:15] s/u/I [05:15] heh [05:15] \o/ [05:15] it uses QT [05:15] and it has me interested [06:55] nigelb: mr holbach comes in pretty soon doesnt he? [07:11] duanedesign: yeah [07:14] yaaa, finally got Gwibber working. been 128 days since I launched it last :\ [07:17] that was the rime of the last tweets and dents listed when it opened [07:22] heh [07:22] kde has this really cool thing on the desktop that does twitter [07:22] I use that these days [07:27] nigelb: so completely converted to KDE? [07:27] m4n1sh: yup, though I do use chromium and firefox instead of konqurer [07:27] anyway chromium and firefox were never gnome apps [07:28] true, but they're not KDE either ;) [07:28] nigelb: yeah i was complaining about my gwibber not woking earlier and DarkwingDuck reminded me that his gwibber app on kde was working :P [07:29] i mean twitter app on kde [07:29] duanedesign: hehe [07:30] dpm: morning and sorry about the cal thing last night, my internet provider is being very unfriendly right now :\ [07:30] duanedesign: wow that blog post titled 'AWESOME' is really good. [07:31] hi nigelb, no worries, Pendulum took care of it :-) [07:31] good morning all! [07:31] dpm: Yeah, I owe her a hug :) [07:36] nigelb: which ISP? [07:36] m4n1sh: airtel [07:36] oh shit hairtel [07:36] yeah :\ [07:36] same here when it goes down [07:37] either they fix in one day [07:37] or you need to scream to each and every person you can reach out at hairtel [07:37] they said, it would be fixed by "tomorrow 1:30" (which was yesterday) [07:37] that's from the template [07:37] everytime I also hear the same [07:38] exact 1:30PM on next working day [07:38] except that the technical never turns up [07:38] Aha [07:38] neither does he call and tell I am coming [07:38] that's what happened to me! [07:38] *technician [07:38] it happened to me 6 times [07:38] hey ara :) [07:39] nigelb: there wa a good tweet i saw. something to the effect of Gnome vs. Unity endless discussion while 99% of the market moves on [07:39] morning nigelb [07:40] duanedesign: Yeah. [07:40] duanedesign: we should just move on [07:43] duanedesign: nigelb which tweet? [07:44] m4n1sh: we were talking about http://www.shermann.name/2011/03/awesome.html [07:44] and it reminded me of a tweet i saw a couple days ago [07:45] good morning [07:46] duanedesign: true [07:47] hello dholbach [07:49] hi duanedesign [07:49] dholbach: going to be spending some time today working on how the Beginners Team Development Focus Group can help to increase packaging and development contributions [07:50] dholbach: was wanting to hear any thoughts you might have, and I think I have a couple questions [07:54] duanedesign, sure, just ask [07:54] morning dholbach [07:54] hola dpm [07:54] hey m4n1sh, ara and nigelb [07:55] and duanedesign :) [07:55] hi dpm [07:55] o/ [07:56] duanedesign, that sounds great - what kind of stuff are you planning to do? [07:58] Morning [08:06] dholbach: our focus this cycle has been better community integration. Getting the people we introduce into the community better integrated with the teams that make up that area of the community the contributor is interested in [08:06] nice [08:07] dholbach: we have made some good headway with the Bug Squad. Working on cooperation between the Bug Focus Group and Bug Squad Mentor program [08:08] that's awesome - I'm glad you're working so hard getting new contributors up to speed - what was the feedback like? was it hard for them to learn the ropes? [08:08] getting those two teams cooperating and better integrated with one another [08:10] dholbach: the problem, if you want to call it that, we have been having is that a lot of developers interested in contributing end up goin to work on upstream projects [08:10] I wouldn't call that a problem :) [08:10] dholbach: right :) lask of a better term [08:10] it'd be a problem if they said "getting stuff done in Ubuntu is too hard, I'll go to XYZ instead" [08:10] lack* [08:11] * duanedesign nods [08:11] but if they enjoy working upstream we all benefit from it :) [08:11] especially if they, additionally, know how to do stuff in Ubuntu, like getting a new version in, when to patch stuff, and so on [08:13] hey kim0 [08:13] dpm: hey man [08:14] dholbach: morning o/ [08:14] hey kim0 [08:14] where's nigelb [08:14] :) [08:14] dholbach: i agree. HOwever I think the beginners team needs to do a better job at getting people involved in Ubuntu who want to get involved. [08:14] thanks a bunch for working on this! :) [08:15] dholbach: so i am looking over some of the information on the wiki [08:15] * dholbach nods [08:16] dholbach: i am familiar more with MOTU and per-package uploaders. Some of the others I was wondering about [08:16] dholbach: specifically looking at this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers [08:17] dholbach: so if someone was more interested in coding then packaging, Ubuntu Prospective Developers would be their first step? [08:17] no [08:17] the UbuntuDevelopers page is merely about upload rights [08:17] that's something that people should not primarily think of in the beginning anyway [08:18] they should just focus on fixing stuff and do stuff they enjoy doing [08:18] aha [08:18] once they worked with a bunch of reviewers and sponsors they will quickly figure out what kind of upload rights they could go after to make their lives easier [08:20] dholbach: that makes sense. [08:20] ok good :) [08:20] you might find http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/guide useful - it's what the new packaging guide is going to be... one day :) [08:20] (it's not the new definite home yet) [08:21] dholbach: hey, were you able to talk to jcastro about a classroom event right before UGJ? [08:21] dholbach: My internet at hoeme is down, so I end up being not able to catch him :( [08:21] nigelb, no, sorry [08:21] *home [08:21] dholbach: I'll mail :) [08:22] good thinking :) [08:23] i dont often find myself saying, 'I wish Launchpad had X'. However I wish Launchpad had a way to search by programming language [08:23] wishlist bug time! [08:24] I'm fairly sure the data is there [08:24] there just needs to be a UI + api to deal with it. [08:24] there's a bug open for harvest [08:24] that requests something similar [08:24] :) [08:24] so we can actually log a bug for lp linking the harvest bug [08:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/harvest/+bug/705481 [08:25] Launchpad bug 705481 in harvest "Sort by project development language" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [08:25] ncie [08:25] err [08:25] n i c e [08:25] but nobody's working on it yet [08:26] I really want the "figure out what kind of programming language it is" functionality to be external, so Harvest does not become a gigantic crazy thing that tries to know and deal with everything [08:26] omg, appdev week has been taken over by QT! [08:26] :) [08:26] I think that looking at the build-depends of a package could be a good indicator, etc [08:29] thanks dholbach for your help this morning [08:30] no worries - thanks for YOUR help :) [09:02] thread on the forums warning about the latest GDM update for those on Natty [09:04] bug 735805 [09:04] Launchpad bug 735805 in gdm "GDM fails to start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735805 === daker_ is now known as daker === m4n1sh_ is now known as m4n1sh [12:21] quiet in here today [12:21] * popey tickles dholbach [12:22] so I'm the entertainer in here? [12:22] o/ [12:22] ara, ^ [12:22] ;-) [12:22] popey: I'd just poke you for entertainment :p [12:22] \o/ [12:22] ( ) [12:23] | | [13:35] Moving Day! Yay! :-) [13:36] czajkowski, can you send me the link for Sunday's AW? I missed it and since our TV isn't hooked up at the new house I'll get caught up tonight :-) [13:45] akgraner: wil do [13:45] thank you! [13:45] have to do it later on as it's on home pc [13:45] it's pretty amazing.... [14:00] dholbach: hey, a unity bugfix from dylan mccall! [14:00] (finally!) :) [14:00] NICE [14:01] HELLO JORGE BARK BARK BARK! [14:02] hah [14:06] That reminded me of this: http://spamusement.com/index.php/comics/view/41 [14:06] that reminded me of south park [14:07] Cartman: No, really, Kyle, I'm, I'm seriously. Here, talk to my robot dog. [14:07] K-10: Bark bark. Hello, Kyle. Bark bark. [14:50] dpm, thanks again for the feedback - I think I can send it to the design for a second look now :) [14:51] cool :) [14:54] 6 minutes? [14:55] yep [14:57] * popey is reminded of Doug E Fresh [14:57] * popey is showing his age [14:57] man, nate dogg died [15:03] * jcastro plays around with dholbach before the call [15:03] dholbach, jcastro, dpm, kim0 all set? [15:03] * dholbach is [15:03] YEAH! [15:03] yep [15:03] jono, dpm said he was busy leading the revolution in Catalunya [15:04] hehe [15:04] lol [15:04] dholbach, yeah, doing it from Stuttgart this week [15:04] death to king ferdinand! [15:05] kim0, ring ring [15:05] skype is mad [15:05] killing it [15:06] jono call me [15:34] dpm: https://launchpad.net/~unity-bitesizers [15:34] I knew this team would be useful! [15:35] ok, awesome, thanks jcastro! [15:49] jcastro: you forgot jamal [15:53] I think I invited him already, I don't really just put people in the team [15:54] *yawns* 40 more mins and then out of here for 6 days! [15:54] roll on [15:54] where you headed? [15:55] m4n1sh: since I have you here [15:55] 4 day weekend mates are over here from ireland so we're going on a wee bit of a session [15:55] dpm's looking for people to do appdeveloper week [15:55] then heading to ireland for a meeting on monday but going by ferry which means travelling through the night on the way back [15:55] jcastro: yeah [15:55] it'd be sweet to do a "how to make your application rock with zeitgeist" [15:56] jcastro: I was the first to add mys session :) [15:56] check it [15:56] \o/ [15:56] jcastro: tis Paddys day tomorrow so refuse to work on that day [15:56] czajkowski: heh [15:56] jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable [15:56] Tuesday [15:56] nice! [15:56] sorry [15:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable [15:56] oh cool, a touchegg session too, nice nice [15:57] jcastro: and I asked Jason to do a GStreamer session too :) [15:57] czajkowski: I totally forgot it's paddys [15:57] two multi-touch sessions [15:57] 5 Qt sessions.. [15:58] czajkowski: I have like 3 irish bars within walking distance of my place. [15:58] whooo [15:58] :D [15:58] jcastro: have a pint tomorrow in at least one of them === evilvish is now known as vish [16:01] jcastro, yeah, I spoke to the touchegg guy just today [16:01] m4n1sh, thanks! [16:02] dpm: welcome [16:02] I see no one is ready to take up 20UTC slots on any day [16:05] m4n1sh, yeah, people tend to prefer the early sessions, especially those in Europe, but the reason why the 20:00 UTC slots are empty is because we've still looking for sessions [16:05] dpm: then the situation would be even bad for people on eastern side of the globe [16:05] for me 20UTC sessions finish at 21UTC = 2:30AM night [16:06] we can arrange for extra slots on both sides of the timetable [16:08] There is still time, if I can come up with one more good topic, then I can try with a 20UTC sessions [16:41] m4n1sh, that'd be awesome [16:42] but if that's too late for you, we can try to swap sessions with someone else [16:45] ok my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! HUGS [16:53] same here, see you all tomorrow! [17:05] jcastro: thanks, :) [17:05] jcastro: I'll put in the work to organize [17:37] anyone want to take part in a fun project? [17:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnityFeatureWalkthrough [17:53] yeah so I was going to make a video [17:53] but it's more of a "here's how I use Unity" and go into feature stuff, etc. [17:53] jono: have you blogged about it yet? === daker is now known as daker_ [18:46] Hey folks, can I get RTs on https://twitter.com/#!/ubuntucloud/status/48085343873929216 [18:46] thanks [18:49] kim0: done [18:49] thanks :) [18:57] on it! [19:52] * popey wonders if jcastro can confirm (or deny) bug 736363 [19:52] Launchpad bug 736363 in compiz "New Windows on an empty desktop appear over launcher" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736363 [19:52] (assuming you have two screens on nvidia) :D [19:52] yep [19:52] * jcastro looks [19:53] whats the package that drives the notify on screen popups? [19:53] if i want to file bugs about those [19:53] notify-osd [19:53] let me guess [19:53] notifications on the 2nd screen [19:53] not the main one [19:54] yes [19:55] it's filed [19:55] I confirmed it a while ago [19:55] let me find it [19:55] bug 336848 [19:55] popey: do you know the bug that launches firefox even though it might not be set as your default browser? [19:55] confirmed, low [19:55] popey: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/336848) [19:56] no [19:56] bug 331369 [19:56] Launchpad bug 331369 in notify-osd "regression vs. notification-daemon: positioning when multiple screens are available" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331369 [19:57] * popey subscribes [19:57] popey: also, see devel-discuss, there's a call for nvidia testing [19:57] yeah, i saw [19:57] cool [19:57] y'know what [19:57] also, do this [19:57] in ccsm [19:57] get the developers to stfu saying "use intel" and I'd be more inclined to help [19:58] heh [19:58] set hide animation to "Slide only" to remove that crap fading launcher ghost thing [19:58] popey: luckily I never have problems with my intel video .... OH WAIT. [19:59] indeed [19:59] uhm, where is that? [19:59] in ccsm [19:59] experimental tab [19:59] nope [19:59] also, launcher at 32pixels is SO nice ... [19:59] no tabs [19:59] ccsm [19:59] click on Unity [20:00] then you have 2 tabs, behavior and experimental [20:00] ubuntu unity plugin? [20:00] yes [20:00] got it [20:00] ok here is magic [20:00] set backlight to Toggles [20:01] otherwise it looks like Las Vegas in the launcher [20:01] also [20:01] another fave of mine :) [20:01] launch to pulse until runnning, urgent to Wiggle, panel to around .75, launcher icon size to 32, Hide to Slide only, and Blur to static blur [20:01] maximise something on both screens [20:01] that's how you roll [20:01] heh [20:01] make the focus the thing on the second screen [20:02] what do you mean [20:02] now, if you want to unmaximise the thing on the first screen, you have to click it first before grabbing the top bar to unminimize [20:02] ah right [20:02] that's brutal [20:02] neil told me last week it'd be fixed this week [20:03] oh, and the one other thing is to remove indicator-appmenu, it's very much not-ideal in twinview [20:05] popey: neil's been hitting monitor stuff hard for 2 weeks in a row, just waiting for the final bits and we should be good [20:06] though design never sorted how to do appmenus in this mode [20:06] cool [20:06] for example, there should be a panel on the 2nd monitor [20:06] with whatever menu of the app that is there [20:06] so when you maximize it the widgets are on that monitor [20:06] yeah [20:06] this was highlighted on day one [20:07] instead of the close buttons for it all the way over there. [20:07] dont get me wrong, I like unity [20:07] it looks scarily like my default OSX desktop! [20:08] http://popey.com/~alan/osx.png [20:08] looks familiar :) [20:09] * popey sets his dock to auto hide for the full unity experience :) [20:09] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/loltwinview.png [20:09] that's been life for me all cycle ^ [20:10] :) [20:10] but other than that [20:10] it's feature parity with GNOME 2.x on twinview; crap. :) [20:10] but neil told me to wait until thursday, who knows, maybe I'll get lucky [20:15] gwibber seems broken for me for some days [20:15] doesnt update [21:34] sigh one day I'll actually get to meet dave neary my fellow irish oss person [21:40] the first day I met Neary I had to drag him home that night. [21:41] we've actually been at the same events just missed one another each time [21:41] he's in the irish lug channel so we're having a wee banter about the emails/tweet/dents gone by [21:41] so much easier on irc at times [21:48] nod [21:56] jono: any idea where I'd find a definitive answer on the following [21:56] I get asked it a lot [21:56] and well honestly I do not know the asnwer or where to point them [21:56] 21:50 < balor> czajkowsk: my greatest bugbear with Unity is that I've never seen an explanation of the new user experience. I'd love to know *why* things were done in a certain way. One advantage of gnome-shell (from the POV of a crusty old academic) is that all the design docs are in the public arena. [22:02] half the design team don't know where the design docs are it seems [22:14] mpt mail today was actualy amusing to read, so they have a bug, but told not to disucs it on the bug but take it to the ML [22:14] *boggles* they all sit near one another [22:22] http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/03/16/s04e02-stranger-in-a-strange-land/ [22:22] *cough* [22:23] * czajkowski passes over the cough syrup to popey [22:24] * Pendulum beats her head on the wall [22:24] OMG Lauras is in this one [22:24] * jcastro downloads [22:24] jcastro: they didn't even have to edit her out for swearing :P [22:24] this may cut down the UUPC listerns in half this time [22:24] czajkowski: nonesense! it'll increase listeners [22:25] czajkowski: have you poked the Irish LoCo about it yet? ;) [22:25] popey: oh dude this popup listening thing is nice [22:25] Pendulum: they listened in last night [22:25] yay [22:25] czajkowski: I doubt all of them did [22:25] just poked on irc [22:25] I thought it was very well done live [22:25] :) [22:25] it was [22:25] I like the live shows [22:26] because I stopped listening to podcasts when I stopped commuting [22:26] but if I schedule in a listen to the live show, I actually manage to listen [22:26] ooh that sounds good [22:26] I used to listen on the train [22:26] yeah I find myself not listening to many podcasts lately [22:26] the sound of popey's voice just sent me off to sleep nicely [22:26] haha [22:26] hah [22:26] AlanBell: is that code for soothing! [22:27] I don't even really listen, I just like the accents [22:27] * czajkowski hugs jcastro [22:27] not sure czajkowski's voice is quite so soporific [22:30] lol @ 6 minutes in stallman [22:32] yeah :) [22:39] you guys have been talking about RMS for 15 minutes [22:39] when can I ffwd? [22:41] jcastro: 20:42 [22:41] wow [22:41] 20 minutes [22:50] I don't know how I feel about this new chromium icon [22:50] too angular? [22:51]