=== Bertrand is now known as bl8 [01:21] Reinstallation of telepathy-haze is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. [01:21] in natty, afaik it can be :-\ [01:25] while testing an unrelated patch to nautilus, I find that my system menu is back and the minimize/maximize/close icons are back on the right side of the window. This is still the case after downgrading packages. The menus are normal if I log in as another user. What about my profile got screwed up to cause this? === asac_ is now known as asac [06:06] Good morning [06:09] dobey: ah, I never noticed that; yes, it adds the .bzr-builddeb/ dir, as this is not part of debian/, but also not part of upstream [06:09] dobey: kind of a shortcoming of bzr-bd === Bertrand is now known as bl8 [06:18] hey pitti - the langpack stuff doesn't work with dh7 does it? [06:19] hey robert_ancell [06:19] robert_ancell: not yet, no; we didn't yet create a dh_langpack for the magic, it's all in the cdbs langpack.mk so far [06:19] pitti, ok, cheers [06:21] pitti, actually you might be able to help me with this one. You seem to be a regular uploader to aptdaemon, is it OK to change it to cdbs so it uses langpack.mk? [06:22] robert_ancell: which parts do we need from it actually? just pot file building? [06:22] pitti, the .policy file conversion to using gettext-domain and stripping the xml translations [06:22] bug 690270 [06:22] Launchpad bug 690270 in ubuntu-translations "Translated String (zh_TW) Not Showed within aptdaemon" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690270 [06:24] robert_ancell: so, not sure whether glatzor/mvo would mind a cdbs conversion; TBH I'd rather ask them first [06:24] pitti, ok np, I'll flick them the bug [06:24] robert_ancell: we haven't had the problem so far, but as we do now I can also look into creating a dh_langpacks [06:24] pitti, can we do it without duplicating the code? [06:25] robert_ancell: the code would move to dh_langpacks, and cdbs langpack.mk would then just call that [06:25] oh that's good - that sounds like the best solution [06:26] main question is in which package to ship it [06:26] I guess I could build it from pkgbinarymangler [06:26] and produce a new dh-langpack package [06:26] which cdbs would then depend on [06:27] then it would be seamless for cdbs [06:30] seamless always sounds good :) [06:50] robert_ancell: I just made compiz depend on cdbs for langpack stuff even though it uses a dh7-style build system [06:50] Amaranth, so you can get around it? Thanks [06:51] Hmm, actually I'm not even sure where this code came from [06:52] But yeah, there is code in the compiz debian/rules for calling out to cdbs stuff for handling .desktop and .schema files for language packs [06:52] I must have copied it from another package in Ubuntu, either that or didrocks did it [06:55] Amaranth: so it seems it gets high time for dh --with=langpack [06:56] * mvo hugs glatzor [06:56] hey glatzor, hey mvo, guten Morgen [06:57] hey pitti, guten morgen! [06:59] good morning [07:00] morning didrocks [07:00] hey Amaranth [07:00] didrocks: hey, did you add the code in the compiz debian/rules for using cdbs stuff for langpacks? [07:00] I suppose I could just bzr blame but this seems easier [07:00] Amaranth: IIRC, I did port that [07:00] why? [07:01] robert_ancell, Amaranth: bug 735934 FYI, feel free to subscribe [07:01] Launchpad bug 735934 in pkgbinarymangler "Build dh_langpack" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735934 [07:01] didrocks: ^ I think you were interested in that as well [07:01] I remember having issues building it on a PPA that I didn't locally because I had cdbs already so I thought I copied it from somewhere [07:01] Amaranth: I don't use cdbs, it's all dhè [07:02] didrocks: Oh, we were just talking about that bug and I started thinking about it [07:02] 7* [07:02] didrocks: But you call out to perl scripts installed by cdbs [07:02] /usr/lib/cdbs/strip-schema.pl [07:02] right [07:03] pitti: yeah, that's part of I wanted to do [07:03] what* [07:03] still have the task, working on more urgent stuff, right now, though [07:03] didrocks: I'll work on it [07:03] ok :) [07:03] didrocks: just want to point it out because I remembered that you were interested in using it [07:04] pitti: btw, is the gnome-session stuff still scheduled? [07:04] yeah [07:04] didrocks: I have kept getting RCish bugs to work on so far :/ [07:05] pitti: not only for you, I would think that the whole team was concerned about gnome-session :) [07:07] thanks robert_ancell for the analysis on 690270 [07:07] pitti: I'll try to get some time this evening to work on it [07:07] mvo, np [07:58] morning [08:14] anyone heard of mousetweaks segfaulting in maverick? [08:45] hey [08:47] bonjour seb128 [08:47] hello pitti [08:47] how are you? [08:48] seb128: I'm great, thanks! [08:49] was nice last night, had both our parents over, made pizza, and had some sparkling wine :) [08:49] hi seb128, pitti [08:49] hey rodrigo_, how are you? [08:49] pitti, I'm fine, thanks [08:50] hey rodrigo_ [08:50] pitti, great! [08:50] pitti, so you drink wine now? ;-) [08:50] seb128: well, we call that "Sekt", it's similar to champagner [08:50] I do drink that, yes [08:50] :) [08:51] I don't drink red wine at all, but recently I started to try some light white wine [08:51] (oh, and wine isn't off-topic here! ask YokoZar!) [08:52] there is an ubuntu package for wine, so no, not off-topic here :) [08:52] rodrigo_: yeah, YokoZar is the maintainer [08:52] ah :) [08:53] * pitti CPRs seb128 - are you back yet? [08:56] urg, internet went flacky and back [08:57] *phew*, he's back [08:57] pitti, hey again ;-) [08:57] * pitti hugs seb128 [08:57] bah, seems the gdm update fails to start for some users [08:57] * seb128 hugs pitti [08:57] hate gdm! [08:57] my fault? [08:58] nfc [08:58] there are changes in it [08:58] one ipv xdmcp git backport which I doubt would break things [08:58] jhunt's upstart tweaking [08:58] your's git backport for this login crash thing [08:58] doesn't start at all, or crashes? In the former case, I'd blame the upstart changes [08:58] I don't see anything obviously wrong [08:59] could be the upstart one? [08:59] I haven't rebooted since this morning's updates yet [08:59] they say it randomly doesn't start [08:59] seb128: depends on the symptoms -- crash or not start [08:59] but my backported login crash is fairly obvious [08:59] bug #735805 [08:59] Launchpad bug 735805 in gdm "GDM fails to start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735805 [08:59] it just hides a widget under some condition which we don't have by default [08:59] bdrung, ^ do you have specifics? [09:06] seb128: hm, can't see anything obviously broken in the upstart changes either [09:06] unless "runlevel PREVLEVEL=S" is true very early in the boot, in which case it would fail to start [09:06] or calling runlevel fails [09:09] seb128: replied to the bug [09:09] pitti, thanks [10:11] pitti: good news, the gnome-session change isn't needed anymore. Now unity will disable itself if it launched and can't run [10:12] didrocks: oh, that's great! [10:27] hum, dear update-manager stop freezing and triggering apport if someone dismiss the password dialog by error [10:30] seb128: yes, just noticed [10:30] that [10:31] hey cdbs ;-) [10:31] seb128: hi, how are you doing? [10:32] seb128: my 4 month long study leave just ended, unfortunately I was not very active in this cycle because of exam [10:32] s [10:32] cdbs, I'm fine thanks, how are you? [10:32] rockin' [11:18] seb128, why did you drop the armel workaround from telepathy-glib [11:19] ogra_, because I hate freedom and armel as well ;-) [11:19] haha [11:19] quoted [11:19] :) [11:19] ogra_, joke aside what workaround? [11:19] ogra_, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-glib/+changelog [11:20] looks screwed up to me [11:20] ogra_, we are on sync for a while [11:20] telepathy-glib (0.11.13-1ubuntu2) maverick; urgency=low [11:20] * use -O0 on armel builds to work around FTBFS due to failing selftests [11:20] issue is described in launchpad bug 623979, failing buildlog is attached [11:20] to that bug. [11:20] Launchpad bug 623979 in telepathy-glib "telepathy-glib fails to build on armel due to two unsuccessfull selftests" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623979 [11:21] apt-get soruce telepath-glib gets me a pretty different changelog btw [11:22] ogra_, right, it gives you the debian one since we synced [11:22] without any ubuntu entries [11:22] ogra_, right, it's coming from debian [11:22] ogra_, why would they have ubuntu entries? [11:22] hmm [11:23] ogra_, on why we dropped the -O0 because I had no clue if that was still an issue with the new gcc, telepathy stack, etc [11:23] and it's easier to sync with debian during the unstable cycle [11:23] dunno why *they* would have them, but it would be good to not lose our entries for being able to look stuff up [11:23] ogra_, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-glib/+changelog is what you are looking for [11:23] ogra_, we will not start merging every package that had ubuntu uploads rather than sync just for the changelog [11:23] sure ... [11:24] that wouldn't make sense [11:24] well, it was a bit irritating [11:24] ogra_, to start why nobody sent the workaround to debian? [11:25] debian doesnt need it, they dont use our optimization levels [11:25] (they build for armv5 etc etc) [11:25] could we be smart and only turn it on where needed? [11:26] tricky [11:26] so we could keep the source without diff over debian [11:26] well, we could send them a patch with a dpkg-vendor call [11:26] i.e just enable it on Ubuntu [11:26] ... and make sure that we have a gcc bug filed for this [11:27] its definitely a but that we need it at all, someone should fix it in the code i guess [11:27] s/but/bug/ [11:29] for now i would just like to have images again though [11:31] ogra_, then get someone from linaro to work on the gcc issue? [11:31] seb128, well, that will take weeks (by experience) gcc uploads dont just happen every day [11:31] well it's over a cycle [11:31] i will have to apply the workaround anyway to get images back i fear [11:32] ogra_, ok, that's fine, it just made our job easier to sync during the unstable cycle, but I will drop it again next cycle [11:32] k [11:33] ogra_, you should really open a gcc bug and maybe makes a patch that debian could take meanwhile, like using dpkg-vendor and set the workaround on Ubuntu [11:33] well, first lets see if it fixes it still ;) [11:33] yes, i will talk to linaro and open a bug [11:33] thanks [11:33] seb128: i confirm that it's a breakage in the upstart job (bug #735805). [11:33] Launchpad bug 735805 in gdm "GDM fails to start" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735805 [11:34] bdrung, thanks [11:34] seb128: anything else you want to know? [11:34] bdrung, can you maybe ping jhunt on #ubuntu-devel? [11:34] bdrung, he's the one who did the change and he's investigating the breakage now but he doesn't get the issue [11:35] kklimonda, did you have any luck getting mongodb working with the latest mozjs? [11:43] chrisccoulson: no, I did fix some issues but I hit weird errors like http://pastebin.com/Pn4udv5z - I've commented on the upstream ticket, and I will probably give it another shoot next week, but now I'm swamped with work (both Ubuntu-related and not) so I can't tell if I'll get it into any shape before beta. [11:43] rodrigo_, do you think you could upstream the patch from bug #736042? [11:43] Launchpad bug 736042 in gnome-media "add "PULSE_PROP_media.role" to gnome-sound-recorder" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736042 [11:44] seb128, looking [11:44] kklimonda, thanks. where is the upstream ticket? [11:44] rodrigo_, hum, that's probably still in gnome-media which you don't maintain upstream, I guess we better git format that and send the bugzilla rather [11:44] chrisccoulson: http://jira.mongodb.org/browse/SERVER-2683 [11:44] seb128, that's what I was going to do [11:45] thanks [11:45] rodrigo_, if you want to do it please do ;-) [11:45] rodrigo_, thanks [11:45] seb128, ok [11:47] seb128, hmm, where else do we use that PULSE_PROP thing? [11:47] rodrigo_, http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/ApplicationProperties [11:48] rodrigo_, in ubuntu it's useful for the indicator sound [11:48] rodrigo_, it will show input sliders when you start an application which set it to phone or production see bug #736049 [11:48] Launchpad bug 736049 in indicator-sound "show record level control on PULSE_PROP_media.role=production" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736049 [11:49] ok [11:49] kklimonda, is the WIP patch anywhere? [11:51] pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/712725 could you give the merge another try? [11:51] Launchpad bug 712725 in nlpsolver "[MIR] libreoffice-nlpsolver" [Medium,Confirmed] [11:51] seb128: looks like the new glibmm release build-depends on mm-common for building documentation and mm-common is in universe. [11:52] (see the latest comment on the issue) [11:53] chrisccoulson: no, but I can push what I wrote to github.. actually, there isn't much so I can just git you a diff itself ;) [11:54] kklimonda, yes please. i'll take a look later on [11:55] chrisccoulson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/581055/ [11:55] thanks [11:55] hum, we need to do a fake upload to pull in a package which is in debian NEW? we can't get the dsc file from it? [11:55] no you can't [11:56] ok, thanks Laney :) [11:56] :-) [11:57] grab it from $VCS and upload, then sync when it's uploaded [12:04] Laney: yeah, I'm asking to the maintainer to do it if possible, then I will NEW it :) [12:04] woo [12:07] kklimonda, oh, i didn't realise that mongodb's malloc override was declared inline. that might be the real issue with assigning it to a pointer [12:12] chrisccoulson: afair the problem I was trying to solve wasn't about it being assigned to pointer, but about malloc being expanded to mongo::ourmalloc in some xulrunner header, but I will happily agree with you - I'm much more of a C coder, than the C++ one. If you can describe it in detail I'd be thankful. === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:14] seb128: IIRC, you were talking about some gdm issue this morning? [12:14] seb128: seems people on the french forum get a black screen at start since then [12:23] didrocks, right, there is an issue with jhunt's upstart job tweaks [12:23] ok, it's upstart then [12:23] didrocks, they can switch to a vt and start gdm there [12:24] didrocks, no, it's the gdm job [12:24] oh? ok [12:24] seb128: yeah, they already found the vt tweak :) [12:24] didrocks, bug #735805 [12:24] Launchpad bug 735805 in gdm "GDM fails to start" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735805 [12:26] seb128: ok, reading, thanks :) [12:27] didrocks, see that's when I'm happy about my no upload on friday rule ;-) [12:27] didrocks, I was pondering uploading that or not ;-) [12:27] seb128: oh, you already know I totally agree with this rule :-) [12:27] oh really? [12:27] heh ;) [12:27] like "uploaded kthxbye" [12:28] well that's rather that I merged jhunt's fix and there was a crash fix pending [12:28] so I pondered uploading with those or not [12:28] yeah [12:28] well, stick to this rule :) [12:28] ;-) [12:28] (I still think Friday morning is okayish) [12:28] as long as it hits the repo before lunch :) === njpatel is now known as njpatel_ [12:48] hey mterry [12:48] is your recent merge request fixing bug #730976 [12:48] ? [12:48] Launchpad bug 730976 in libdbusmenu "LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-DEBUG: Could not handle image type 0" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/730976 [12:49] seb128, ah, yes! [12:49] seb128, didn't think to look for a bug [12:50] seb128, do you know of a bug for the "dbusmenu_gtk_parse_get_cached_item: assertion `GTK_IS_MENU_ITEM(widget)' failed" message? [12:51] mterry, ted did a merge request for it yesterday [12:52] seb128, oh, swell [12:52] mterry, see https://code.edge.launchpad.net/dbusmenu/+activereviews [12:52] if you want to review and ack it ;-) [12:53] mterry, it's the no spam for seb one [12:53] yup [12:53] mterry, btw ted's tarball are due today [12:53] if you have things to get in [12:54] seb128, naw [12:54] seb128, my empathy menu fix is empathy-side [12:55] seb128, just realized I have the ability to review dbusmenu branches. Do you know policy? Should I merge it myself? [12:56] (i mean, for ted's branches that I approve) [12:56] mterry, not sure, check with ted, usually other dx-ers ack it but don't merge but I guess that's because they don't have a local checkout handy etc [12:56] i.e it's easier for them to just ack and ted handle the merge [12:56] k [12:57] the unity team tends to let whoever did the request merge his work it seems [12:57] then they do a review of approved things not merged once a week before rolling tarballs [12:58] didrocks can probably confirm that or not ;-) [12:59] seb128: yeah, when you have commit right, it's better you merge it [12:59] seb128: I think you are in ~unity-team, isn't it? [12:59] oupss [12:59] mterry: ^^ [12:59] mterry: you have one pending merge :) [13:00] didrocks, so I should be merging branches of mine that get approved? But not branches that I approve? [13:01] mterry: right [13:01] for unity at least :) [13:01] yar [13:23] mterry, woot, you fixed empathy's contact menu! [13:23] * kenvandine high fives mterry [13:24] what was wrong with it? [13:25] oh right, it didn't show..correct? [13:26] bcurtiswx, no, this one showed, but didn't do anything when clicked [13:26] a race condition [13:26] mterry, wow, great then :) [13:27] bcurtiswx, the not showing part was fixed in dbusmenu last week [13:27] well, i must be captain oblivious this past weekend :-\ [13:27] have been* [13:30] pitti: hrmm, are you going to do a new upload of distutils-extra with mandel's patch? i've been trying to make a .deb, but quilt hates me :( [13:32] ah, stupid patch levels === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:42] pedro_, did you get my ping from last night? [13:46] bcurtiswx, yes, i was going to point you to bug 731708 , is that the same you're facing? [13:46] Launchpad bug 731708 in nautilus "nautilus doesn't run, Unique-DBus-WARNING, assertion 'watcher_id > 0' failed" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731708 [13:47] pedro_, yes that would be it, thx [13:48] bcurtiswx, you're welcome, please follow up there ;-) [13:48] pedro_, i figured a killall nautilus would help, except it just keeps respwaning [13:48] quite annoying [13:48] pedro_, hey, that bug got fixed yesterday [13:49] seb128, is it in the repos yet? [13:49] bcurtiswx, yes, since yesterday [13:49] bcurtiswx, what issue do you get? [13:50] hrmm, i had this bug last night. I can't access the machine right now (it's my desktop at home) but nautilus would just hang, heating up my system with CPU usage. I can't killall nautilus because it respawns, so I did it by terminal and got the same warning as that bug [13:51] it was right after a dist-upgrade from M-->N [13:52] could be a different issue than the warning [13:52] but without details or a stacktrace not easy to say [13:53] i can see what info i can grab when I get home later this evening GMT-4 (Eastern) === ogra_ is now known as ogra === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [14:43] seb128, OK, I started my CoreDev application page. If you want to help me along, leave an endorsement! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mterry/CoreDev [14:46] That goes for anyone else too. I like all endorsements [14:46] mterry, \o/ [14:46] mterry: oh, great! will add my praise as well [14:47] yay [14:50] dobey: are you blocked on the new p-d-e? I can upload today if you need it, but it seemed to be a corner case [14:51] pitti: i got an upload into our nightlies ppa to fix it there, but we will need it in 11.04 also at some point soon i suspect, but not super urgent [14:52] Sweetshark: replied in 712725 [14:52] dobey: you have windows builds there? [14:53] dobey: we are talking about the ValueError crash when scanning over ctypes imports, right? [14:54] pitti: yes because ctypes.wintypes exists on linux, though it fails with the valueerror. which is why this is a problem at all [14:55] ah, ok [14:59] dobey: uploaded [15:00] pitti: cool, thanks [15:01] seb128, there's a bug with a patch proposed upstream that we need in natty for automated testing. [15:01] seb128, bug 690657 [15:01] Launchpad bug 690657 in gnome-utils "Text Widget under combo box is not exposing accessibility" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690657 [15:02] seb128, how to proceed to have it included in natty, is subscribing the desktop team ok and enough ? [15:03] jibel: ubuntu-sponsors usually [15:03] jibel: I noticed it but I was waiting for an upstream review [15:07] seb128, okay, I'll wait for a review but target it to natty b1 to not forget it. [15:08] pitti: re replied in 712725. It would be a FFE. === vuntz_ is now known as vuntz [15:10] jibel: I will try to get it in today or tomorrow === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [15:25] pitti: is jockey driving dpkg/python-apt in a way that makes it not write logs to /var/log/apt/term.log ? I am triaging a bunch of package install failures and a lot of nvidia, b43 releated ones have failures but empty logs. any idea about this? [15:28] mvo: it's basically using apt.Cache()[pkg].markInstall(), and cache.commit() [15:28] mvo: all the apt code is in jockey/oslib.py, do you see anything wrong with it? [15:28] mvo: I don't deliberately disable logging [15:29] mvo: (off to long phone call now) [15:31] pitti: thanks, I have a look (I have a call now as well). the above should be fine but I will double check [15:34] seb128, great! thanks [15:43] jibel: yw [15:44] mterry, ok, unity doesn't like your indicator-datetime-preferences desktop for some reason [15:44] seb128, probably just too awesome for unity [15:44] seb128, how doesn't it like it? [15:45] mterry, it doesn't match indicator-datetime-preferences to it [15:45] like the launcher doesn't get the right title etc [15:45] guh [15:46] it gives an empty launcher title here with a fuzzy icon [15:46] mterry, does it work for you? [15:47] mterry, I'm trying indicator-datetime trunk with karl's pending work [15:47] seb128, does it show in the applications place? [15:48] mterry, yes and it in gnome-panel menus [15:48] I've tried running in on a command line, from the indicator or from gnome-panel [15:48] seb128, you installed it via a deb, right? [15:48] yes [15:49] I did bzr merge lp:indicator-datetime in the current packaging vcs and bzr bd that [15:49] indicator-datetime-preferences.desktop indicator-datetime-preferences [15:49] it's correctly listed in the index [15:50] well I should restart my session to be sure I guess [15:50] brb [15:54] uh oh... log session restart [15:55] hope he isn't busted :) === evilvish is now known as vish [16:08] mterry killed seb128 this time, not me :P [16:08] * kenvandine runs out for a bit, bbl [16:11] re [16:11] ok, restarting was not the best idea, disk check and then gdm upstart issues [16:11] mterry, I'm back ;-) [16:11] seb128, :) [16:11] mterry, still the same after a restart, empty title and fuzzy icon [16:11] :( OK, looking into it [16:12] mterry, do you get it as well? [16:12] seb128, I have to build trunk, I'm not running it right now [16:13] mterry, don't bother [16:14] seb128, ? [16:14] mterry, it's a cosmetic issue, it can wait today's tarball and tomorrow to be debugged [16:15] mterry, I though you had the .desktop installed locally since you worked on it [16:15] I did but via a deb, so when I switched debs... [16:15] doesn't seem an indicator issue anyway [16:16] the .desktop is installed and listed correctly by the places and menus etc [16:19] seb128: do you have a moment? new glibmm release requires updated mm-common (and it's in universe for now) to build documentation. How should I proceed on gettinng it into main? [16:20] kklimonda, the wiki has mir requirements details [16:20] you need to file a bug asking for promotion with some details [16:21] kklimonda, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements [16:23] thanks. Should I first update it to the new version, and then request MIR? [16:23] mterry, ok, I've the feeling it doesn't like the "&" in the Name= [16:24] mterry, if I replace it then it works [16:24] mterry, sorry for the noise, not your fault [16:24] it's DBO's fault [16:24] or didrocks's ;-) [16:24] hum? [16:24] hum? [16:25] didrocks, unity launcher displays and empty title when there is a "&" in the name [16:25] indicator-datetime-preferences.desktop:Name=Time & Date [16:25] removing the & makes it work [16:25] seb128: already fixed by a kind contributor :) [16:25] not in trunk though [16:26] so now wth is it displaying a blurry icon when there is a 48x48 svg [16:27] in fact it's not [16:27] mterry, ok, sorry for the noise, everything is ok [16:27] or will be when didrocks's merge the contributor patch in trunk ;-) [16:29] seb128, in your GDM upstart, did you see any plymouth errors? [16:30] bcurtiswx, no [16:31] seb128, 'more /var/log/syslog | grep plymouth' [16:32] no error [16:32] seb128, Ok thx [16:32] btw you can "grep plymouth syslog" [16:32] it's less to type ;-) [16:32] im too lazy... wait... :P [16:33]