[03:15] <locodir-user> I would like to learn how to program in the GNU/Linux environment any pointers?
[06:55] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[09:28] <Ronnie> mornin
[10:03] <cjohnston> mornin
[10:15] <dholbach> mhall119, cjohnston: did you have a chat with Bilal about the HoF?
[13:06] <mhall119> not yet, is he done with his exams?
[13:09] <nigelb> I think yes
[13:09] <nigelb> I saw something of that extent today some time
[13:47] <locodir-user> hi how do you do 
[13:51] <Ronnie> We have a new locodir-user record, 16 seconds after asking, (s)he left the room
[14:14] <YoBoY> it's me making a simple test
[14:17] <locodir-test-use> The alert message when we want to quit the page is short and can have more informations in it in relation of the time to stay to have an answer :)
[16:16] <czajkowski> cjohnston: mhall119 what do yiu think https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/736208
[16:16] <czajkowski> is that possible 
[16:16] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 736208 in loco-directory "Team name in the URL for an event would be great (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[16:17] <mhall119> czajkowski: I think it's valid, something I've considered in the past
[16:18] <czajkowski> popey: ^^^
[16:19] <popey> :)
[16:20] <czajkowski> popey: me too the descriptive bug please :) 
[16:20] <czajkowski> see not a 1 liner 
[16:22]  * popey looks for a full stop
[16:23] <YoBoY> somthing like "loco.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-uk/2011/03/19/rugby_meet_up" ?
[16:23]  * czajkowski hands popey the pedantic book 
[16:23] <popey> one line :)
[16:23] <czajkowski> YoBoY: yes, something that has Ubuntu-uk in it would be great 
[16:23] <popey> $teamname, $eventname
[16:24] <popey> not sure about $yyyy $mm $dd tbh
[16:24] <czajkowski> team name /event name would be nice alright 
[16:25] <YoBoY> the date can help for referencing
[16:26] <mhall119> okay, now you're asking for a lot
[16:26] <YoBoY> but yes, it's just an idea
[16:26] <mhall119> I was just going to do /events/ubuntu-uk/$$$/detail
[16:26]  * YoBoY hugs mhall119 
[16:27] <mhall119> and by "I" I mean probably Ronnie 
[16:30] <czajkowski> mhall119: yes event/teamname/detail is good 
[16:30] <czajkowski> pleae 
[16:30] <czajkowski> please 
[16:30]  * czajkowski hugs mhall119 
[16:32] <YoBoY> btw why the /detail ? can't we just have http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/615 ? it's not enought information for the default view ?
[16:34] <mhall119> YoBoY: I think we currently use /detail
[16:34] <mhall119> don't we?
[16:35] <mhall119> we do
[16:35] <mhall119> so I was going with the "Don't make more changes than is necessary"
[16:38] <YoBoY> yes, I was just thinking if django is like some  php frameworks I used, it should have a great rewrite url engine and a default view parameter to simplify urls and not display unnecessary parameters
[17:01] <Ronnie> czajkowski: what if an event consitst of 2 teams?
[17:06] <YoBoY> this is possible, an event registered with 2 teams ?
[17:21] <Ronnie> no, but the database is ready
[17:21] <Ronnie> i created a function which returns the first team
[17:21] <Ronnie> should be OK for now
[17:22] <Ronnie> so the bug is fixed now, but ill add the same for venues and meetings
[17:22] <Ronnie> czajkowski: ^
[17:23] <czajkowski> ronnie only one team xan create the event uness its a global event
[17:24] <czajkowski> bbiab
[17:25] <Ronnie> czajkowski: yes, its a limitation of the interface, the backend code is different. but because the limitation of the interface i can pick the first team without function loss
[17:30] <mhall119> Ronnie: first team would be fine, we'll still have the event id in the URL, so technically would could pull it up whatever the team name part says
[17:30] <mhall119> s/would/we/
[17:34] <YoBoY> Ronnie: you want to make something like in launchpad and the subscribe function where you can subscribe a team where you are in ? (for exemple https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+subscribe )
[17:37] <mhall119> Ronnie: venues don't have a team association
[17:38] <Ronnie> YoBoY: there are other thing i want to do first (multi team page for example)
[17:38] <mhall119> so I don't think you'll be able to do the same for them
[17:38] <Ronnie> mhall119: your right
[17:38] <Ronnie> i nituced that when i wanted to change
[17:38] <Ronnie> mhall119: could we use country for that?
[17:39] <mhall119> we should add a "Primary team" or something to venues, it'll help us filter the list too
[17:39] <YoBoY> Ronnie: that was just a question ;)
[17:40] <YoBoY> +1 for the venues, country should be better http://loco.ubuntu.com/venue/country/ID...
[17:44] <Ronnie> Almost done
[17:46] <Ronnie> mhall119: we need to so something to speed up import-live-data
[17:46] <mhall119> Ronnie: yeah, 90% of the users we probably don't need
[17:46] <Ronnie> it takes very long now, and will be even longer in the future
[17:47] <mhall119> Ronnie: it's not to bad loading into postgres, it's sqlite on ext4 that is slow
[17:47] <Ronnie> mhall119: your rigth, but its a pain for developers
[17:48] <mhall119> true
[17:48] <Ronnie> could we make somehow a daily sqlite3 clone?
[17:50] <Ronnie> mhall119: event 337 has no team attached (database error)
[17:50] <mhall119> not good
[17:56] <Ronnie> i build a check so the pages dont crash
[17:56] <Ronnie> but its not good indeed
[17:59] <mhall119> what pages crashed?
[18:00] <Ronnie> the event list
[18:01] <Ronnie> can somebody write a regular expression for countryies (space allowed?)
[18:01] <mhall119> loco.ubuntu.com/events/ works for me
[18:01] <Ronnie> yes, but not with the new code, which require team.lp_name in the url
[18:03] <mhall119> ok
[18:03] <mhall119> I guess just default it to using 'teams' if no team is attached
[18:04] <Ronnie> but a tean cannot be 'null' in the database setup
[18:04] <Ronnie> its a database inconsistency
[18:05] <mhall119> well it's a manytomany between team and event, so it will allow not having any
[18:06] <Ronnie> oh, its manytomany indeed
[18:06] <Ronnie> ill see what i can do
[18:06] <Ronnie> somebody on the regex?
[18:06] <mhall119> what do you need the regex for?
[18:06] <Ronnie> the county filter in the urls.py
[18:07] <mhall119> matching a country in the url?
[18:07] <mhall119> ok
[18:08] <mhall119> either [\w\s]+ or [^\/]+
[18:08] <mhall119> I think will work
[18:09] <mhall119> if this is going to cause too many problems or complexity, just tell czajkowski that she can't have it
[18:10] <Ronnie> its almost finished ;)
[18:11] <mhall119> Ronnie: make sure the old-style URLs will still work for lookups
[18:11] <Ronnie> mhall119: any suggestions on that one?
[18:11] <Ronnie> didnt take that in mind
[18:11] <mhall119> just leave the old urlconf line
[18:12] <Ronnie> mhall119: but then we need to write 2 functions? (one which 'wrap' the old function ?)
[18:13] <mhall119> you shouldn't need to, no
[18:13] <mhall119> you can point 2 urlconfs to the same view
[18:13] <Ronnie> but one has more parameters than the other, wouldn't that cause problems?
[18:14] <mhall119> the view doesn't need any extra parameters
[18:14] <mhall119> the view can ignore the team name, all it needs is the event id
[18:14] <czajkowski> mhall119: eh she just filed it as a bug, wasn't looking for it to be done today. 
[18:14] <czajkowski> mhall119: eh she was quiet happy with it being a wish list 
[18:15] <mhall119> czajkowski: I meant if it was going to put a bunch of complex hacks all over LD in order to make it work
[18:15] <czajkowski> :)
[18:54] <Ronnie> mhall119: done https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/736208-url-name/+merge/53683
[18:57] <mhall119> dang you're fast
[18:58] <Ronnie> its about the quality, not the speed. but i hope the first is good too ;)
[19:53] <Ronnie> Yoboy https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/723375
[19:53] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 723375 in loco-directory "Problem with the menus and some translations (affects: 2) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed]
[19:55] <YoBoY> updating my local branch
[19:56] <YoBoY> Ronnie: do I need to do some database update ?
[19:56] <Ronnie> not that im aware of, but an "./manage.py migrate"  is always safe
[20:02] <czajkowski> mhall119: any idea where I'd find the mail archive of the annoucement of the meeting feature on the LD ?
[20:02] <Ronnie> cjohnston: do you know if this merged fix works: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/728766 , if yes, the status can go to "Fix Committed"
[20:02] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 728766 in loco-directory "Crash when running lpupdate (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Confirmed]
[20:03] <mhall119> czajkowski: good question, let me see if I can find it
[20:03] <YoBoY> the top menu is really great, I like it (don't like the order :p )
[20:04] <YoBoY> Ronnie: I haven't anymore the space between the menus
[20:04] <YoBoY> thanks
[20:05] <Ronnie> great, bug solved
[20:07] <YoBoY> Ronnie: don't sure if it's 100% solved, you deleted the login item, but what if the translations break that again ? ^^"
[20:07] <mhall119> czajkowski: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2011-February/005226.html
[20:08] <czajkowski> mhall119: thanks 
[20:08] <Ronnie> YoBoY: in the future probably loco-council and about-loco will be merged
[20:08] <YoBoY> great idea :p
[20:08] <Ronnie> till then, keep the translation strings not too long
[20:08] <YoBoY> I'll try
[20:09] <Ronnie> i know its difficult in french
[20:09] <Ronnie> the dutch version is also longer than the english one
[20:10] <mhall119> you guys can use a non-exact translation if it's shorter and gets the same meaning across
[20:11] <YoBoY> not really difficult, the translators don't really use the loco directory, so it's not well translated at the moment, most of the string can be shortened
[20:11] <Ronnie> mhall119: were not in trouble here, if we were, i know some items which could be shorter here
[20:16] <mhall119> ok
[20:18] <Ronnie> mhall119: there is a list of merge request waiting, do you need information on these, or didn't you have the time to review?
[20:18] <mhall119> Ronnie: probably lack of time on my part
[20:18] <Ronnie> thats ok, we stay volunteers ;)
[20:55] <czajkowski> mhall119: cjohnston Ronnie evening, meet airurando
[20:55] <mhall119> good evening airurando 
[20:55] <Ronnie> he airurando
[20:55] <czajkowski> we;re just chatting in our meeting and the meeting feature came up 
[20:55] <Ronnie> welcome
[20:58] <czajkowski> once the meeting is over 
[20:59] <czajkowski> airurando: has some thoughts
[21:00] <mhall119> and code?
[21:01] <jono> effie_jayx, btw, apologies for the continued delay, my video camera has gone missing
[21:02] <airurando> evening everyone
[21:02] <jono> but I think it is at a friends house who is checking for it
[21:02] <airurando> mhall119 no code unfortunately
[21:02] <czajkowski> airurando: what are the comments, maybe it doesnt need code 
[21:03] <airurando> for the meeting events could we have a tab for past meetings on the team page just as we do for past events?
[21:04] <airurando> when populating the agenda could we type in proposer as not all agenda item proposers for our meetings are registered
[21:04] <Ronnie> airurando: at the moment, the space does not allow it to put it there
[21:05] <Ronnie> there is a new design for the team page http://ubuntuone.com/p/eF8/ maybe it fits there
[21:06] <airurando> Ronnie thats nice.
[21:06] <czajkowski> moylan: ello 
[21:07] <Ronnie> airurando: dut even in the new design there is not space reserved for past events/meetings
[21:07] <Ronnie> do you think the link should be on the teams page
[21:07] <moylan> czajkowski:hi, looking forward to been in dublin where you can procure a decent sozzie sambo?
[21:07] <Ronnie> or could it on the teams events / meetings overveiw page?
[21:07] <mhall119> airurando: if you click "All Meetings", that page has a "Past Meetings"
[21:07] <czajkowski> moylan: first thing I do after the meeting on Monday! 
[21:09] <airurando> mhall119 Ah. I didn't see that.  That is exactly what I wanted.  
[21:10] <airurando> Ronnie. mhall119 has the answer.
[21:10] <airurando> now onto my second query
[21:10] <czajkowski> see not code :) 
[21:10] <airurando> any thoughts on manual entry for agenda item proposer?
[21:10] <effie_jayx> jono: that's terrible
[21:11] <airurando> czajkowski yo are absolutely right.
[21:11] <effie_jayx> jono: hope you find it... the severed fifth stuff is cool. a video like that would be good ;)
[21:11] <effie_jayx> quality is ok I mean.
[21:11] <effie_jayx> jono: you should try to get into That Metal Show... :P
[21:11]  * effie_jayx runs
[21:11] <czajkowski> airurando: I fully believe having teams coming in here and discuss things makes things a lot easier for everyone all round 
[21:12] <Ronnie> airurando: i didt understand your second question
[21:13] <airurando> Ronnie OK
[21:14] <Ronnie> could you formulate it another way?
[21:14] <airurando> When I tried to backfill the agenda items from our wiki page for the january LoCo Dir meeting some of the proposers were not available for selection on the list.
[21:15] <czajkowski> ahhh can you only select certain people from a list 
[21:15] <Ronnie> airurando: that means these people didnt register on loco.ubuntu.com i think
[21:15] <airurando> proposer = owner
[21:16] <airurando> yes Ronnie
[21:16] <Ronnie> we could make a normal input field for it, but i think its not desired
[21:17] <airurando> but I would like the flexibility to be there for those folks
[21:17] <Ronnie> mhall119: ^ what are your toughts?
[21:17] <YoBoY> it's in the bug 714040
[21:17] <czajkowski> airurando: to help us understand 
[21:17] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 714040 in loco-directory "missing Team Members (affects: 1) (heat: 7)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/714040
[21:18] <czajkowski> is this for people who are not registed to be part of the loco but want to add stuff to the meeting 
[21:18] <airurando> at the moment the LoCo Dir is more restrictive in this regard than the wiki system
[21:19] <airurando> czajkowski I'm not sure of the ins and outs of registrations
[21:19] <airurando> but infoturtle and imgarysmith can't log an agenda item in the loCo Dir while the can on the wiki.
[21:20] <czajkowski> are they a member of the Irish LoCo 
[21:20] <airurando> no idea
[21:21] <airurando> don't know if they are registered on the website only or launchpad or whatever
[21:21] <czajkowski>  airurando he is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ie/+members#active
[21:22] <airurando> czajkowski  both are
[21:23] <airurando> thanks for that
[21:23] <airurando> so whats required?
[21:23] <Ronnie> logging in once to loco.ubuntu.com
[21:23] <czajkowski> Ronnie: but surely they are if they are trying to add meeting agenda to it, they are logging in...
[21:24] <Ronnie> indeed
[21:24] <airurando> Ronnie we are experiencing some resistance to this.
[21:24] <Ronnie> i can imagine
[21:24] <airurando> to clarify
[21:24] <Ronnie> for now a normal textbox could do
[21:24] <Ronnie> but im not aware of the future plans
[21:24] <airurando> they may never have tried to add to the loco dir
[21:24] <airurando> this could just be a problem with the transition
[21:25] <airurando> if we switch from the wiki to the LoCo Dir completely then that should fix it.
[21:26] <Ronnie> that should fix it, but i dont know if thats the desired behaviour
[21:26] <airurando> the problem became apparent when I tried to transcribe the january agenda from the wiki
[21:28] <Ronnie> there are a lot of people working on loco's that are not registred on launchpad or loco.ubuntu.com
[21:29] <Ronnie> in our loco we encourage people to register, but its not a requirement for 'belonging to our loco team'
[21:32] <airurando> Ronnie: would a comment section field be possible?
[21:32] <Ronnie> comments on agenda items?
[21:33] <airurando> if a registered member populates the agenda for A.N Other then the owner name could be manually inserted.
[21:34] <Ronnie> there is an description field isnt there?
[21:35] <airurando> yes
[21:35] <Ronnie> or do you want an additional field for such things?
[21:36] <airurando> Ronnie: No, perhaps the description field will do.
[21:37] <Ronnie> Again no coding :D
[21:37] <airurando> :)
[21:37] <Ronnie> airurando: if you have additional questions / ideas
[21:37] <Ronnie> feel free to ask them (even when they do need coding)
[21:37] <YoBoY> can't we just enter a launchpad OpenID URL to make the link to a non-yet-registered user ?
[21:38] <Ronnie> openid url, no. LP username maybe, but thats gonna be hard
[21:38] <airurando> Ronnie, mhall119: thanks so much for the help.
[21:39] <YoBoY> Ronnie: yes launchpad url or just the username :p
[21:40] <Ronnie> i know it can cause a lot of openid troubles if we want to implement that
[21:40] <Ronnie> but it could be a very nice feature
[21:44] <Ronnie> who are going to the UDS-O ?
[21:45] <YoBoY> don't decided yet ^^"
[21:47] <YoBoY> didn't
[21:48] <YoBoY> you are going Ronnie ?
[21:48] <Ronnie> not decided to apply for sponsorship. never been to an uds
[21:53] <YoBoY> I was at the uds-m last year, really great :)