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MootBotMeeting started at 11:01. The chair is robbiew.16:01
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]16:01
robbiew[TOPIC] Apologies16:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Apologies16:02
robbiewbarry, ev, and doko are at PyCon16:02
robbiewso "might" show up16:02
robbiew[TOPIC] Lightning Round16:03
MootBotNew Topic:  Lightning Round16:03
jhunt_Updated Upstart vim syntax and sent to vim.org upstream. Fixed "make16:03
jhunt_distcheck" bug with upstream Upstart. Investigating D-Bus issues in16:03
jhunt_chroot environments. Fixed bug 734736. Working on Upstart intro doc (not16:03
jhunt_published yet). Lots of Upstart branch massaging between upstream and16:03
jhunt_ubuntu branch with help from cjwatson and eventually got visualisation16:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 734736 in portmap (Ubuntu) "portmap does not advertise upstart event emission" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73473616:03
jhunt_feature for Upstart pushed out (we saw a buildd failure which I'm16:03
jhunt_still investigating). Investigating chroot issues (bug 728531). Working16:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 728531 in upstart "chroot support is not reliable" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72853116:03
jhunt_on bug 735805.16:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 735805 in gdm (Ubuntu) "GDM fails to start" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73580516:03
jhunt_Think I might now have resolved 735805.16:04
* jhunt_ crosses everything :)16:04
psurbhijhunt: the vim support sounds cool! :)16:04
cjwatsonif you upgrade it's in natty :)16:04
jhunt_yeah - we have the support in the natty vim-runtime now although the upstream is more up-to-date (I'm working on the apt-get source update to our pkg).16:05
jhunt_we also have bash completion for initctl :)16:05
robbiewjhunt_: how severe is bug 728531 for Ubuntu?16:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 728531 in upstart "chroot support is not reliable" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72853116:05
robbiewI realize it's "Low" for Upstart project16:05
robbiewjhunt_: skaet was asking me yesterday, and I wasn't sure16:05
jhunt_robbiew: well, it basically doesn't appear to work at all reliably. I'm unsure what sort of audience would need this facility.16:06
jhunt_when I say reliably, it doesn't crash or anything - it just gives unexpected results.16:06
jhunt_part of the problem is that working in the chroot env gives its own set of problems wrt debugging, building upstart and d-bus.16:07
robbiewjhunt_: so it doesn't affect our PPAs or anything, right?16:07
robbiewbasically trying to determine if this is release critical...seems like it's not16:08
cjwatsonaudience> would be nice to get rid of the gross hack in openssh16:08
cjwatson(we have special arrangements there to keep the old init script around as well, so that people can run openssh in chroots, which is a fairly common use case)16:08
jhunt_well, I don't know what upstart is used for in the ppas? I think that before the feature was added /sbin/initctl was just a link to /bin/true so that might be the fallback :)16:09
cjwatsonLaunchpad build daemons won't be affected by this16:09
cjwatsonas you say, they stub things out to ensure that daemons are never started during build16:09
cjwatsonI expect that would remain the case even after upstart chroot support works16:09
cjwatsonchroot sessions are for users trying to run server environments in chroots16:10
robbiewack...so if we get LXC solid, then who needs em!16:10
robbiewmoving on...16:11
robbiewthnx jhunt_16:11
mvoapt-clone: make dpkg-repack option, simplify commandline interface (argparse ftw), work on restore --simulate16:12
mvoapt: debug/fix bug in mirror method when selecting the next mirror, debug/fix bug where apt prompts for the CDROM on each update, merge debian work, fix some issues in the cdrom/udev automount code16:12
mvornr-server: bug triage/prioritizing, push lp:~mvo/rnr-server/trivial-test-fail-fix, work on the production instance testing16:12
mvoSoftware-center: branch review, create test-case that can trigger DatabaseCorruptError, debug #731724, found in libgl1-mesa-glx, debug hang in --measure-startuptime (inconclusive), fix incorrect stats for utf-8 appnames (e.g. dejadup), fix locking issue with the threaded db query code, update rnrclient to the latest upstream revision and fix the code, upload new version16:12
mvoUpdate-manager: fix changelog download when there is no network (#19372), work on usb-based upgrades16:12
mvoupdate-notifier: fix upgrade from usb-sticks16:12
mvomisc: release-meeting (prepared a bit too much probably :)16:12
robbiewpsurbhi: ?16:13
psurbhi*) analysed the scripts in local-bottom/ and init-bottom/16:13
psurbhi*) Added upstart scripts to execute the local-bottom scripts followed by the init-bottom for now. Added an upstart script for moving the sys and proc fs to the newly mounted rootfs after the execution of the current local-bottom. Converted the moving of devfs to new rootfs as a part of the post-stop for udevd upstart job.16:13
psurbhi*) worked with Raphaƫl Pinson on the patch for bug 654545.16:13
psurbhi*) worked on mdadm bug: wrote two patches for the same bug - one patch to stop the arrays found in /proc/mdstat beore trying the --assemble --scan --run code path. The other patch to just go ahead and start an md array when there is no member device found. Sent both the patches to Neil Brown. For now, its much safe to have the first patch (stopping arrays) as a SAUCE patch in mdadm for natty.16:13
psurbhi*) worked on samba bug: 526464. went through the ntlmssp authentication code path, wireshark and log output. Waiting for the wireshark output (linux-side)16:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 654545 in mountall (Ubuntu) "mountall does not honor nobootwait flag on /var/* and /usr/* filesystems" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65454516:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 526464 in samba (Ubuntu) "intermittent authentication: check_ntlm_password: Authentication for user [someuser] -> [someuser] FAILED with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52646416:13
robbiewthnx psurbhi16:14
robbiewcjwatson: ?16:14
cjwatsondone: wubi bug-fix of death, new localechooser (supports some more languages - Telugu folks were asking about it), sponsored new upstart, fixed some fatal ubiquity bugs, finished getting merges.ubuntu.com working again16:15
cjwatsontodo: review apw's graphics reorganisation, bigger-than-usual pass over release-meeting bugs16:15
robbiew"wubi bug-fix of death"16:16
robbiew[TOPIC] Natty16:17
MootBotNew Topic:  Natty16:17
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html16:17
cjwatsonwe've had a fair bit of installer instability.  as of tomorrow it should at least work, but that does mean we've been light on testing for a while16:17
robbiewburndown looks good...as expected16:17
robbiewcjwatson: ack16:17
robbiewyeah.../me is glad we don't have a bug burndown :/16:18
cjwatsonalso http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html16:18
mvoI'm on the dpkg ordering problem stuff currently (just fyi)16:18
robbiewin terms of bugs we do have - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-03-11#Foundations16:19
MootBotLINK received:  http://www.sadtrombone.com16:19
robbiewdoko: oh...hey16:20
robbiewany status you want to relay?16:20
cjwatsonjhunt_: can bug 723846 be closed now?  I realise that there's more to be done, but the features have landed AIUI16:20
doko@PyCon, but more working on porting issues :-/16:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 723846 in upstart (Ubuntu Natty) "Feature Freeze Exception request for Upstart in Natty" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72384616:20
jhunt_I think so, yes (although, we still don't have tests for some of keybuks branches).16:21
cjwatsonright - but that isn't feature freeze exception material16:22
cjwatson(at this point)16:22
robbiew[TOPIC] Oneiric16:24
MootBotNew Topic:  Oneiric16:24
robbiewI'll try to get a wiki page up for ideas16:24
robbiewby next week, hopefully16:24
robbiewwill make another pass through N blueprints too...the ones we deferred due to lack of resources/time16:25
cjwatsondo we have a sense yet of what's coming down from on high16:25
cjwatsonwe got off lightly last time, I'm sort of assuming it won't last16:26
mvoapt-mirror method by default would be nice16:27
robbiewboth jasonwarner and I are gathering internal requirements and allison is going to help lead a call for community requirements16:27
mvobut yeah, next week is early enough to put ideas in16:27
psurbhican we have delta debian uploads for updates?16:28
robbiewfunny you ask...mvo and I chatted about that16:28
robbiewwe can at least discuss it :D16:28
mvothis will need some integration work with apt, but it would definitely be a good idea16:28
cjwatsondebdelta or similar would be most excellent; we tried before and it got stalled16:29
jhunt_cjwatson: +1000 !16:29
robbiewwould need some LP love too, right?16:29
cjwatsonsomebody motivated to deal with the infrastructural side of things could make a seriously beneficial dent here16:29
robbiewjml and flacoste will be at UDS...we can corner them there ;)16:30
mvoyeah, the server side16:30
cjwatson(well, in principle you could do it with a separate server, but I suspect that wouldn't fly - it would be OK for experimentation)16:30
robbiewhmm...yeah, we could at least test client-side implementation with that approach16:31
robbiewanyway...definitely need to look into that16:31
robbiew[TOPIC] AOB/GoodNews?16:32
MootBotNew Topic:  AOB/GoodNews?16:32
cjwatsonwhat a depressive bunch you all are16:34
cjwatsonI haven't booted Windows for a whole four days16:35
robbiewI think I've figured out how to pronounce Oneiric16:35
robbiewnot sure if I know how to spell it though16:36
* doko is still using o-series16:36
robbiewokie dokie16:36
MootBotMeeting finished at 11:36.16:36
robbiewthnx all16:36
* mvo goes back to bug triage16:36
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