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[16:01] <mvo> hello
[16:01] <robbiew> o/
[16:01] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is robbiew.
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[16:02] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Apologies
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Apologies
[16:02] <robbiew> barry, ev, and doko are at PyCon
[16:02] <robbiew> so "might" show up
[16:03] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:03] <robbiew> jhunt_?
[16:03] <jhunt_> Updated Upstart vim syntax and sent to vim.org upstream. Fixed "make
[16:03] <jhunt_> distcheck" bug with upstream Upstart. Investigating D-Bus issues in
[16:03] <jhunt_> chroot environments. Fixed bug 734736. Working on Upstart intro doc (not
[16:03] <jhunt_> published yet). Lots of Upstart branch massaging between upstream and
[16:03] <jhunt_> ubuntu branch with help from cjwatson and eventually got visualisation
[16:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 734736 in portmap (Ubuntu) "portmap does not advertise upstart event emission" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/734736
[16:03] <jhunt_> feature for Upstart pushed out (we saw a buildd failure which I'm
[16:03] <jhunt_> still investigating). Investigating chroot issues (bug 728531). Working
[16:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 728531 in upstart "chroot support is not reliable" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728531
[16:03] <jhunt_> on bug 735805.
[16:03] <jhunt_> EOT
[16:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 735805 in gdm (Ubuntu) "GDM fails to start" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735805
[16:04] <jhunt_> Think I might now have resolved 735805.
[16:04]  * jhunt_ crosses everything :)
[16:04] <psurbhi> jhunt: the vim support sounds cool! :)
[16:04] <cjwatson> if you upgrade it's in natty :)
[16:05] <jhunt_> yeah - we have the support in the natty vim-runtime now although the upstream is more up-to-date (I'm working on the apt-get source update to our pkg).
[16:05] <psurbhi> nice!
[16:05] <jhunt_> we also have bash completion for initctl :)
[16:05] <robbiew> jhunt_: how severe is bug 728531 for Ubuntu?
[16:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 728531 in upstart "chroot support is not reliable" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728531
[16:05] <psurbhi> cool!
[16:05] <robbiew> I realize it's "Low" for Upstart project
[16:05] <psurbhi> heh
[16:05] <psurbhi> :D
[16:05] <robbiew> jhunt_: skaet was asking me yesterday, and I wasn't sure
[16:06] <jhunt_> robbiew: well, it basically doesn't appear to work at all reliably. I'm unsure what sort of audience would need this facility.
[16:06] <jhunt_> when I say reliably, it doesn't crash or anything - it just gives unexpected results.
[16:07] <robbiew> whoops...sorry
[16:07] <jhunt_> part of the problem is that working in the chroot env gives its own set of problems wrt debugging, building upstart and d-bus.
[16:07] <robbiew> jhunt_: so it doesn't affect our PPAs or anything, right?
[16:08] <robbiew> basically trying to determine if this is release critical...seems like it's not
[16:08] <cjwatson> audience> would be nice to get rid of the gross hack in openssh
[16:08] <cjwatson> (we have special arrangements there to keep the old init script around as well, so that people can run openssh in chroots, which is a fairly common use case)
[16:09] <jhunt_> well, I don't know what upstart is used for in the ppas? I think that before the feature was added /sbin/initctl was just a link to /bin/true so that might be the fallback :)
[16:09] <cjwatson> Launchpad build daemons won't be affected by this
[16:09] <cjwatson> as you say, they stub things out to ensure that daemons are never started during build
[16:09] <robbiew> ack
[16:09] <robbiew> thnx
[16:09] <cjwatson> I expect that would remain the case even after upstart chroot support works
[16:10] <cjwatson> chroot sessions are for users trying to run server environments in chroots
[16:10] <robbiew> ack...so if we get LXC solid, then who needs em!
[16:10] <robbiew> j/k
[16:11] <robbiew> moving on...
[16:11] <robbiew> thnx jhunt_
[16:11] <jhunt_> np
[16:11] <robbiew> mvo?
[16:12] <mvo> apt-clone: make dpkg-repack option, simplify commandline interface (argparse ftw), work on restore --simulate
[16:12] <mvo> apt: debug/fix bug in mirror method when selecting the next mirror, debug/fix bug where apt prompts for the CDROM on each update, merge debian work, fix some issues in the cdrom/udev automount code
[16:12] <mvo> rnr-server: bug triage/prioritizing, push lp:~mvo/rnr-server/trivial-test-fail-fix, work on the production instance testing
[16:12] <mvo> Software-center: branch review, create test-case that can trigger DatabaseCorruptError, debug #731724, found in libgl1-mesa-glx, debug hang in --measure-startuptime (inconclusive), fix incorrect stats for utf-8 appnames (e.g. dejadup), fix locking issue with the threaded db query code, update rnrclient to the latest upstream revision and fix the code, upload new version
[16:12] <mvo> Update-manager: fix changelog download when there is no network (#19372), work on usb-based upgrades
[16:12] <mvo> update-notifier: fix upgrade from usb-sticks
[16:12] <mvo> misc: release-meeting (prepared a bit too much probably :)
[16:12] <mvo> (done9
[16:12] <mvo> )
[16:12] <robbiew> heh
[16:12] <robbiew> thnx
[16:13] <robbiew> psurbhi: ?
[16:13] <psurbhi> *) analysed the scripts in local-bottom/ and init-bottom/
[16:13] <psurbhi> *) Added upstart scripts to execute the local-bottom scripts followed by the init-bottom for now. Added an upstart script for moving the sys and proc fs to the newly mounted rootfs after the execution of the current local-bottom. Converted the moving of devfs to new rootfs as a part of the post-stop for udevd upstart job.
[16:13] <psurbhi> *) worked with Raphaël Pinson on the patch for bug 654545.
[16:13] <psurbhi> *) worked on mdadm bug: wrote two patches for the same bug - one patch to stop the arrays found in /proc/mdstat beore trying the --assemble --scan --run code path. The other patch to just go ahead and start an md array when there is no member device found. Sent both the patches to Neil Brown. For now, its much safe to have the first patch (stopping arrays) as a SAUCE patch in mdadm for natty.
[16:13] <psurbhi> *) worked on samba bug: 526464. went through the ntlmssp authentication code path, wireshark and log output. Waiting for the wireshark output (linux-side)
[16:13] <psurbhi> (DONE)
[16:13] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 654545 in mountall (Ubuntu) "mountall does not honor nobootwait flag on /var/* and /usr/* filesystems" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654545
[16:13] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 526464 in samba (Ubuntu) "intermittent authentication: check_ntlm_password: Authentication for user [someuser] -> [someuser] FAILED with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526464
[16:14] <robbiew> thnx psurbhi
[16:14] <robbiew> cjwatson: ?
[16:15] <cjwatson> done: wubi bug-fix of death, new localechooser (supports some more languages - Telugu folks were asking about it), sponsored new upstart, fixed some fatal ubiquity bugs, finished getting merges.ubuntu.com working again
[16:15] <cjwatson> todo: review apw's graphics reorganisation, bigger-than-usual pass over release-meeting bugs
[16:15] <cjwatson> --
[16:16] <robbiew> "wubi bug-fix of death"
[16:16] <robbiew> lol
[16:17] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Natty
[16:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty
[16:17] <robbiew> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html
[16:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html
[16:17] <cjwatson> we've had a fair bit of installer instability.  as of tomorrow it should at least work, but that does mean we've been light on testing for a while
[16:17] <robbiew> burndown looks good...as expected
[16:17] <robbiew> cjwatson: ack
[16:18] <robbiew> yeah.../me is glad we don't have a bug burndown :/
[16:18] <cjwatson> also http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[16:18] <mvo> I'm on the dpkg ordering problem stuff currently (just fyi)
[16:19] <robbiew> in terms of bugs we do have - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-03-11#Foundations
[16:19] <robbiew> http://www.sadtrombone.com
[16:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.sadtrombone.com
[16:19] <doko> hi
[16:20] <robbiew> doko: oh...hey
[16:20] <robbiew> any status you want to relay?
[16:20] <cjwatson> jhunt_: can bug 723846 be closed now?  I realise that there's more to be done, but the features have landed AIUI
[16:20] <doko> @PyCon, but more working on porting issues :-/
[16:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 723846 in upstart (Ubuntu Natty) "Feature Freeze Exception request for Upstart in Natty" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723846
[16:21] <jhunt_> I think so, yes (although, we still don't have tests for some of keybuks branches).
[16:22] <cjwatson> right - but that isn't feature freeze exception material
[16:22] <cjwatson> (at this point)
[16:23] <jhunt_> sure
[16:24] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Oneiric
[16:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oneiric
[16:24] <robbiew> I'll try to get a wiki page up for ideas
[16:24] <robbiew> by next week, hopefully
[16:25] <robbiew> will make another pass through N blueprints too...the ones we deferred due to lack of resources/time
[16:25] <cjwatson> do we have a sense yet of what's coming down from on high
[16:25] <cjwatson> ?
[16:26] <cjwatson> we got off lightly last time, I'm sort of assuming it won't last
[16:27] <robbiew> heh
[16:27] <mvo> apt-mirror method by default would be nice
[16:27] <robbiew> both jasonwarner and I are gathering internal requirements and allison is going to help lead a call for community requirements
[16:27] <mvo> but yeah, next week is early enough to put ideas in
[16:28] <psurbhi> can we have delta debian uploads for updates?
[16:28] <psurbhi> delta.deb
[16:28] <robbiew> funny you ask...mvo and I chatted about that
[16:28] <robbiew> we can at least discuss it :D
[16:28] <mvo> this will need some integration work with apt, but it would definitely be a good idea
[16:28] <psurbhi> yeah
[16:29] <cjwatson> debdelta or similar would be most excellent; we tried before and it got stalled
[16:29] <jhunt_> cjwatson: +1000 !
[16:29] <robbiew> would need some LP love too, right?
[16:29] <cjwatson> somebody motivated to deal with the infrastructural side of things could make a seriously beneficial dent here
[16:29] <cjwatson> right
[16:30] <robbiew> jml and flacoste will be at UDS...we can corner them there ;)
[16:30] <mvo> yeah, the server side
[16:30] <cjwatson> (well, in principle you could do it with a separate server, but I suspect that wouldn't fly - it would be OK for experimentation)
[16:31] <robbiew> hmm...yeah, we could at least test client-side implementation with that approach
[16:31] <robbiew> anyway...definitely need to look into that
[16:32] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB/GoodNews?
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB/GoodNews?
[16:34] <cjwatson> what a depressive bunch you all are
[16:34] <psurbhi> heh
[16:35] <cjwatson> I haven't booted Windows for a whole four days
[16:35] <robbiew> lol
[16:35] <robbiew> I think I've figured out how to pronounce Oneiric
[16:36] <robbiew> not sure if I know how to spell it though
[16:36] <robbiew> lol
[16:36]  * doko is still using o-series
[16:36] <robbiew> lol
[16:36] <robbiew> okie dokie
[16:36] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:36] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:36.
[16:36] <robbiew> thnx all
[16:36] <mvo> thanks!
[16:36]  * mvo goes back to bug triage
[16:37] <psurbhi> thanks!
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