[00:12] New bug: #735830 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.37-1ubuntu5.5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735830 [00:53] I'm translating /etc/bind to /etc/nsd3. [00:53] What's the nsd equivalent of "auth-nxdomain no"? Do I even need it? [01:41] In this named snippet: http://paste.debian.net/110811/ [01:42] Is "notify yes" applying to the master, or the (presumably downstream) zonedit nameservers? === twister004_ is now known as twister004 === twister004_ is now known as twister004 [04:15] <^Mike> How can I run SMART tests on a HDD? [04:17] apt-get install smartmontools [04:17] smartctl [04:18] smartctl [04:18] RTFM; I can't remember what the options are [04:19] something like smartcl -A /dev/sda1 I thought [04:19] er [04:19] IIRC -A reports all info [04:19] smartctl [04:20] smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda [04:20] smartctl -t short # or long, if you have a couple hours [04:21] -A looks lit it reports all smart attributes [04:21] You may also need -d ata for SATA disks, if you're on an old system. [04:21] Datz: right, but most of those are misleadingly scary [04:21] inaccurate I've noticed for some things [04:22] but right, not tests [04:25] <^Mike> thanks [04:26] <^Mike> bah [04:26] <^Mike> "Device does not support SMART" [04:28] <^Mike> Well, if you can make any sense of these logs, I'd appreciate the help: http://sprunge.us/bBGh?txt [04:30] ^Mike: maybe you're behind a RAID card [04:30] twb: Error: "Mike:" is not a valid command. [04:30] <^Mike> I doubt it, it's just a cheap external HDD connected to the machine by USB [04:30] ^Mike: "unable to read inode block" I reckon you've made the filesystem slightly larger than the partition -- did you dd it from one to another? [04:30] twb: Error: "Mike:" is not a valid command. [04:31] Also your name is stupid :-/ === ^Mike is now known as \bMike\b [04:31] \bMike\b: hmm, you're getting it for several partitions, so more likely is just that either the copy is hosed or the disk is dying [04:31] <\bMike\b> no, but I could well have messed up the partition/filesystem sizes anyways [04:32] Oh, and you can't do SMART to a USB enclosure -- if you take the disk out and put it in a SATA slot, then SMART will work [04:32] <\bMike\b> oh, ok [04:32] <\bMike\b> huh, that disk also reports "Partition table entries are not in disk order" [04:50] <`3Shades> Anyone any good at configuring virutal networks? I am having problems remoting into my virtual machine. I can ssh but not remote in. [04:52] <`3Shades> I am running ubuntu server 10.10 and I have VM's set up and I would like to be able to remote into those as well from outside my network. I have a standard linksys wireless router. [04:53] <`3Shades> I have googled to no avail, or at least I'm not understanding what I'm doing wrong. [04:54] What does "remote in" mean [04:54] <`3Shades> vnc [04:55] Are you running a VNC server in the VM? [04:55] <`3Shades> I was using remote desktop so... [04:55] <`3Shades> I set up remote desktop [04:55] "remote desktop" often means RDP, not VNC. Make sure you which you mean [04:55] <`3Shades> I installed gnome gui on the server then set up remote desktop [04:55] <`3Shades> I went into admin and clicked the allow remote desktop connections... [04:56] `3Shades: last time I looked that will display a prompt on the VM's local display saying "accept connection? [Yes|no]" [04:56] <`3Shades> allow users to take control of this computer [04:56] <`3Shades> yes I clicked accpet connections [04:56] <`3Shades> well first I"m just tring to get into the host [04:57] I don't know [04:57] <`3Shades> See it's weird, because i can ssh in. [04:57] If you were using a simple X VNC server, I could help. I'm not familiar with this GNOME stuff [04:58] <`3Shades> my dhcp table is set to have the mac address go to an ip address yet when I look up the address you should remote into it says some weird address, but either address I try I cannot remote in. [04:58] <`3Shades> I know it has something to do with the VM bridge and settings in my linkxys router, but I am lost. [04:59] <`3Shades> what do you recommend I install then [04:59] <`3Shades> just vncserver [04:59] <`3Shades> lol [04:59] xvncserver4 IIRC [04:59] <`3Shades> can I apt-get that [04:59] Or just tunnel X over your ssh connection [05:00] tightvncserver, on my system, appears to be a simple headless VNC X server [05:00] What you have is probably exporting an existing display over VNC, which is more stupider [05:01] <`3Shades> tightvncserver is already installed [05:05] <`3Shades> It seems stuck at security type requested [05:06] Oh yeah, IIRC the vinagre/vino stuff in GNOME implements some non-standard encryption option [05:07] So if you checked "encrypt connection" or whatever, then you can't connect to it except from the GNOME VNC client [05:07] And your client will probably just hang showing a black screen [05:15] <`3Shades> vnc works thanks.. [05:16] <`3Shades> still need to figure out how to route these VM's to a port though [05:16] <`3Shades> I'll wait to ask until I have another 10 hours on it lol [08:06] New bug: #735950 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "LOCK TABLE WRITE; does not obtain an exclusive table lock " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735950 [08:20] bonjour [08:27] hello to all. i have a strange problem with memcached. it give me allways this error here => DataMemCache Error, Purge Old File from Cache Dir [08:28] where is this Cache Dir of MemCached ? i have searched it but could not find it === Gormatjoff is now known as stygg [08:39] xperia_: caches usually go in /var/cache, occasionally /var/lib [08:40] hello all === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk [08:42] I just installed ubuntu server w/ apache2, mysql, and rails. tring to configure a developmentserver to bounce code off of [08:43] I'm new to this and I want to know where i can get information navigating the command line [08:44] I have the ubuntu server guide [08:44] it's all installed I just don't know enough to get into it to configure it [08:45] twb okay thanks will just look at it. /var/cache i checked allready but could not find anything related to memcached [08:49] twb hmm strange even in /var/lib i can not find memcached ! any other help [08:51] xperia_: read the config file? === Gormatjoff is now known as stygg [08:51] not till yet i will look at it just right now [09:00] I seem to have a IO bottleneck issue but i dont quite understand what it is telling me. -> http://pastebin.com/Vz1btnbn [09:20] <_ruben> fakhir: i assume sdb is a single sata disk? [09:21] _ruben, yes [09:21] what i am seeing is high load average but low CPU usage on a MySQL server. [09:22] <_ruben> then having ~40 random IOs per second is pretty consistent with the 50% utilization [09:22] <_ruben> a sata disk can do about 100 of 'em per second [09:22] <_ruben> and a (busy) (my)sql server tends to do a fair bit random IOs [09:25] any idea why i might be seeing what i am seeing if io is fine? [09:31] <_ruben> how high is the load average? [09:33] _ruben, always above 1 typically ~1.5 . CPU percentage is nearly always 0. [09:44] <_ruben> iowait is only 6% btw .. or does it go up a lot? [09:45] <_ruben> and a load of 1 on a 8way system isn't really that much of problem [09:45] <_ruben> 1 core is "occupied" while the other 7 are idle (on average) [09:46] ohh i see [09:56] twb, Interesting that you prefer to maintain your own netfilter rules. [09:56] Why is that? [09:57] Daviey: you mean with respect to blacklisting? [09:57] It's a static ruleset [09:57] http://paste.debian.net/110844/ is the active ingredient [09:58] twb, I have a call now, but in an hour or so - i'd like to talk to you further about it. [09:58] It'll have to be tomorrow, or trentbuck@gmail.com -- I'm going home shortly [09:59] twb: I've never worked out what the difference is between --state and --ctstate. [09:59] I guess I never tried to work it out either. :-/ [09:59] soren: ctstate is "better" [09:59] twb, ok, thanks! [10:00] I *strongly* recommend anyone writing netfilter rules read http://jengelh.medozas.de/documents/Perfect_Ruleset.pdf [10:00] ...which is cited by #netfilter [10:07] twb: Yeah, the good mr. Engelhardt knows what he's talking about. [10:07] twb: The only thing in that doc that I didn't know was the ctstate thing. I wonder why the --state thing isn't just replaced entirely by --ctstate. [10:08] Probably hysteria [10:08] Yeah, there's a lot of that going around. [10:09] * soren is excited about ipset being included in 2.6.39, by the way. [10:10] Eh, DKMS xtables makes that a non-issue [10:11] I need xtables for something else anyway, I forget what [10:11] Maybe just -j CHAOS [10:12] twb: There's a dkms variant? [10:13] It's new in Debian [10:13] twb: Or are you thinking of the module-assistant thing? [10:13] Maybe you suckers don't have it yet [10:13] twb: Oh, shiny. [10:14] * soren files sync request [10:15] done [10:15] \o/ [10:15] twb: Thanks for the hint. [10:15] np [10:15] * soren smells an openstack patch brewing [10:16] Meanwhile flipping nsd3 definitely *will not* DTRT WRT upstart [10:16] twb: I didn't fully understand your problem with that. [10:18] one moment [10:23] soren: http://paste.debian.net/110845/ [10:25] twb: It gets a new PID when you HUP it? That sounds *incredibly* broken. [10:25] YES [10:26] soren: it *is* smart enough to update its own pidfile [10:26] But even so [10:47] If you don't specify an allow-transfers {} list, does bind9 default to allowing AXFRs from 0/0 (i.e. everyone)? [10:49] It sure looks like it, which explains a lot [11:03] Fuck, I missed tea-time [11:03] Looks like I'm having ramen for supper again [11:04] "ramen"? [11:05] Ah, noodle stuff. [11:08] good morning [11:10] twb: easy on the language please [11:12] Sorry. [11:16] how do i run dropbox as a service? this guide is outdated because start-stop-daemon doesnot exist on 10.04? http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall/UbuntuStartup [11:17] /etc/init.d/dropbox: 60: start-stop-daemon: not found [11:21] azizLIGHTS: it does. it's part of the 'dpkg' package [11:21] azizLIGHTS: you just need either a proper $PATH variable set or use the absolute path to the binary [11:22] oh hm [11:22] do i have to undo step 2 listed in the guide to edit /etc/init.d/dropbox ? [11:22] specifically this line: sudo update-rc.d dropbox defaults [11:23] azizLIGHTS: why would you? [11:23] azizLIGHTS: the "init script" is also lacking a proper shebang [11:23] i dont know im new to linux? [11:23] what is that [11:24] what is the proper shebang i mean [11:24] azizLIGHTS: the first line of a script should contain a pointer to the interpreter which will run the script, e. g. #!/bin/sh to use /bin/sh [11:24] oh [11:24] azizLIGHTS: you could also easily use the upstart-script from the dropbox wiki [11:24] ugh [11:25] so this is wrong? [11:30] joschi: ok well putting full path /sbin/start-stop-daemon, and adding #!/bin/sh to first line, now the script works with service dropbox start, confirmed it with ./dropbox.py status [11:32] I'm trying to create a disk image of my ubuntu install, with clonezilla... but it's telling me that the partitiont able in the disk is illegal/invalid, not supported by parted, with the error "can't have overlapping partitions", anyone know how I deal with this? [11:32] err, partition table* -_- [11:37] ok i edited the dropbox wiki for it, ty for input joschi [12:15] How can I see and change the port used by my Ubuntu server to access the internet? [12:16] We're planning on using it to create and distribute images to computers using PXE. [12:17] But it isn't able to reach the ubuntu archives, like the ones specified in the sources.list file. [12:18] MarkAng: that'll be on destination port 80/tcp (http). the source port is random [12:19] The reason I'm asking is that we're operating under a company-wide network that has restrictions on certain ports. For instance, the port used by uTorrent is blocked. Is it possible to instruct my server to use or not use a certain port? [12:21] Anyone? [12:22] <_ruben> if they're blocking based on source port, hit 'em with a cluebat, a lot [12:22] <_ruben> if they're blocking port 80, you should probably use the proxy they provide [12:23] They're not blocking port 80, as I'm able to access web pages. \ [12:24] do you have a specific error from trying to reach the archives? [12:24] <_ruben> what does your sources.list look like then? those tend to list http urls [12:25] They do. But whenever we issue a command that should use the repositories inside to update and/or install programs (in this case, a GUI for the text-based server) [12:26] t says it cannot reach the destination files. [12:26] Cannot reach/cannot find. [12:26] "a GUI for the text-based server"? [12:27] Yes. It's command-line as you know, and we know there are GUI skins available. [12:28] We try to install one to make life a little easier for us, but so far no good. [12:28] * Pici scratches his head [12:28] Which package are you trying to install? [12:28] Hang on, let me check [12:28] .. [12:28] MarkAng: you most probably need to configure a proxy for apt-get [12:28] We use either of the following commands, but neither one works: [12:28] sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [12:29] sudo aptitude install --no-install-recommends ubuntu-desktop === rbniknej is now known as squishy [12:31] Both commands should fetch a desktop-like environment and overlay it over the command-line. [12:31] But like said before, they don't work. [12:33] Guys? [12:34] MarkAng: well. is your company using a proxy or not? [12:34] I think they are, yes. Im an IT intern, so I'm not sure what it is. [12:34] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto#Setting%20up%20apt-get%20to%20use%20a%20http-proxy [12:37] you would need a statement like "Acquire::http::proxy "{proxy URL}"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf file [12:44] It's a large organisation, spanning multiple cities and with hundreds of schools. The only persons that could tell me what the proxy is are out of reach. === oljas_ is now known as oljas [12:46] * _ruben puts a sticker MarkAng's server: Warranty void if desktop packages are installed === Gormatjoff is now known as stygg [12:52] MarkAng: don't you have a web browser somewhere that would be configured with the same proxy ? [12:59] I just asked an admin that returned to the office, and we have no proxy. [13:00] MarkAng: confirm that your server can reach the internet in general? [13:01] you might want to try 'wget http://www.google.com' to see if you can hit the Internet [13:03] Caribou: are you dumming down my comments or do you not see what i'm writing? [13:04] w3m is installed by default I believe. [13:04] no, I'm just adding a suggestion to your comment : he could confirm that he can reach the internet by doing that. Sorry if it seems rude [13:05] Caribou: alright === ehw_ is now known as ehw [13:28] morning all [13:30] RoAkSoAx: howdy === ahs3` is now known as ahs3 [13:31] SpamapS: how's it going man, up early today huh? [13:37] Webmasters, you interested in some HQ, 24h ip unique, content and geotargeted traffic? [13:39] RoAkSoAx: always.. the baby knows just when to wake me up so I can't go back to sleep :p [13:43] SpamapS: look the bright side.. you can now say you wake up earlier than everybody else her ein the US >P [13:43] (everybody else on the team) [13:50] SpamapS: its genetic ;) === ogra_ is now known as ogra [14:04] Caribou, howdy [14:05] * Caribou waves back === tm_ is now known as tm [14:39] hello! what is the most appropriate package to provide the command "mail" - mailutils? [14:41] there is also bsd-mailx... [14:41] i think i usually install mailutils [14:42] dunno why. works, though. [14:42] I used to use mailx. [14:42] yann2: It used to be something like bsd-mailutils but I think just the mailutils now [14:42] In acient times, at least. [14:42] For the last decade, I've used mutt, though. [14:42] ..but if I needed "mail", I'd use mailx. No particular reason. [14:42] soren, so used I, but http://pastealacon.com/27001 [14:43] yann2: bsd-mailx == mailx, IIRC. [14:43] well, mailx == rh mail, and most other peoples mail command [14:44] ok, I ll go for that [14:44] thanks [14:51] New bug: #736149 in bind9 (main) "Ubuntu 10.10 host command ignores all conf files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736149 [15:05] I set up some logrotate config files for my web server logs (monthly rotation), it's been running well over the last 6 months -- except for some reason it decided to rotate things yesterday (15th). Anyone else experience this? Any hints as to how I might diagnose why? === iulian_ is now known as iulian [15:18] bricas, Depends on the rotate rule.... Did it rotate on filesize, rather than date? [15:20] Daviey: http://nopaste.snit.ch/37851 # changed real domain to example.com for the paste, but everything else is straight copy+paste. === klaas_ is now known as klaas [15:24] bricas, how odd... Nothing obvious is jumping out at me. [15:25] Daviey: yeah, i didn't think my config was off -- like i said, it's been running well for the last 6 months. on the 1st of each month, it seems to fire. [15:25] Daviey: there's no obvious place that would log something like "logrotate running .. rotating log $foo because of $bar" ? [15:26] not really.. [15:27] of course not :) [15:48] * patdk-wk teachs bricas to use symlinks :) [15:50] patdk-wk: ...? rather than a copy of the log, perhaps? :) [15:50] ya :) [15:51] patdk-wk: i only did a copy because i was afraid someone was going to mess that file up, honestly. paranoid am i. :) [15:58] Daviey: if you'd like to chat sometime about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-server, please ping me. === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen [16:00] hallyn: hallyn include me on your conversation ^^ [16:04] hallyn / RoAkSoAx: Yes! That would be wonderful.. I'm so pleased you are both enthusiastic about that one. :) [16:09] Daviey: :) [16:16] New bug: #736205 in squid (main) "package squid 2.7.STABLE7-1ubuntu12.2 failed to install/upgrade: подпроцесс установлен сценарий post-installation возвратил код ошибки 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736205 === cmagina is now known as cmagina-lunch === cmagina-lunch is now known as cmagina-afk === cmagina-afk is now known as cmagina [17:34] http://wiki.spamaps.org/ [17:40] 1.7sec page load time :( [17:43] soren, ttx, are you guys likely to head the celery way for messaging? http://wiki.openstack.org/UseCeleryAsQueueManager [17:52] * RoAkSoAx goes out for lunch [18:17] patdk-wk: no surprise when your mysql db is on a t1.micro ;) [18:25] SpamapS, actually, it's more of an issue of only using 1 dns name for the server :) [18:25] 500ms per request, and they are getting delayed :) [18:30] so its not 1 dns name, but that you didn't have the dns name cached [18:31] my resolver responds in 50 - 100 ms once its cached.. [18:31] your browser shouldn't be requesting it multiple times [18:35] <_ruben> hm, a dig +trace wiki.spamaps.org doesn't go beyond the .org servers [18:39] jiboumans: probably not but check on #openstack [18:39] zul: will do [18:48] kirkland: around ? [18:49] kirkland: the vgabios package's links file is still sending links to /usr/share/kvm. is tehre a reason for that? or can i fix that to /usr/share/qemu? [18:49] kirkland: bc otherwise if you isntall vgabios first and then qemu-kvm, then qemu-kvm doesn't find vgabios [18:50] hallyn: howdy [18:51] hallyn: please put it in /usr/share/qemu [19:05] what is the minimum ram required for ubuntu server 64 bit ? [19:06] orudie: I have a box here with 192Mb it runs on [19:07] I've seen a minimal install use 32Mb [19:07] so 64 bit is recommended ? [19:08] if your cpu is 64 bit [19:08] <_ruben> 128MB seems to be the documented minimum [19:51] hallyn: you've been on a bug triaging tear :-) [19:51] hallyn: my bug-mail inbox is *full* :-) [19:53] hallyn: also, i see the vgabios merge proposal ... don't you have upload rights to vgabios? [19:53] hallyn: or do you just want a sanity check? [19:58] question, is there something lightweight that can be installed if i only want to do outgoing mail from my server and dont care about incoming mail? [20:02] geekbri: smail might be what you're looking for [20:05] SpamapS: thanks === elm_ is now known as elm__ [20:16] I need to set up an smtp server to act as a relay for my ec2 instances, can one of you guys point me to a decent tutorial for that? [20:18] apt-get install postfix [20:18] Follow directions. [20:19] thanks cloakable [20:19] thats awesome [20:19] jsemar: ubuntu is pretty easy to use :) [20:20] yeah i know, but your answer is useless, obviously i can install postfix, but i need for the ec2 instance to have its postfix .cnf file send mail to my postfix installation on probably linode === medberry is now known as med_tmp === med_tmp is now known as medberry [20:21] so theres authentication, and all sorts of things besides 'sudo apt-get install postfix' [20:22] By default ubuntu postfix uses system accounts. You want smarthosting. [20:22] <_ruben> well, you didn't mention authentication in the first place [20:23] Also, does your linode have a static ip? Use that for authentication. [20:23] <_ruben> no experience with ec2, but if the ips are static, you can just use those as restrictions [20:23] yea === medberry is now known as med_brb [20:29] you wouldnt recommend using sasl/smpt auth [20:32] <_ruben> depends on the scenario [20:40] damnit, is there anyway to find out why another mail server is refusing your connection... I know i must be missing something that is causing it to make me marked as spam and refusing my connection but they just say error 550 connection refused === med_brb is now known as medberry [20:41] <_ruben> contact its postmaster [20:46] heh, ip's for ec2 are static per instance [20:47] so if you use ebs fs's, and stop/start, ip will change [20:48] kind of like a cable modem :) [20:48] as long as it doesn't go down, your likely to have the same ip forever [20:48] but no guarrentee :) [20:54] well yeah that i know [20:54] but i have an elastic IP assigned to the instnace [20:56] jsemar: given that your instances will be ephemeral, you'll probably want to use sasl+tls [20:57] jsemar: Its similar to the config I use for my laptop to relay through a smart host. [20:57] natty installation was quite nice, btw, at least on the desktop - it starts installing in the background before asking stupid questions like username/timezone etc :) [20:57] geekbri: EC2 ips, even the elastic IPs, are pretty much banned by now [20:57] too much abuse out there. [20:58] RoyK: I think Maverick did that too.. [20:58] i guess that makes sense... its just unfortunate when you want to send automated emails to yourself :) [20:58] does.. shouldn't refer to the stable release in the past tense.. ;) [20:58] SpamapS: oh - dunno - haven't installed a maverick desktop yet - only upgraded to it... [21:01] you know whats nice? [21:01] ubuntu on ec2, i haven't found a server distro with as much support as it yet. === ejv_ is now known as ejv [21:23] Hi there [22:03] kirkland: I don't yet have the upload rights [22:03] (I test with a vmbuilder push that I want to do every morning :) === MTeck is now known as MTecknology [22:39] hallyn: still around? [22:40] yup [22:41] kirkland: what's up? [22:41] hallyn: just sent you the kvm auto install magic [22:41] ah, thanks. [22:41] hallyn: essentially, it's: [22:41] boot an ubuntu server ISO and append "priority=critical locale=en_US url=http://bit.ly/ubuntu-nqa" to the kernel command line [22:42] hallyn: noting that we might need to tweak the preseed file which is pointed to by url=http://bit.ly/ubuntu-nqa" [22:42] nqa is my acronym for "no questions asked" [22:42] and so i should test it and send it on to the kvm-autotest folks? [22:43] * hallyn is watching grub compile and his memory is failing him [22:45] hallyn: right [22:46] hallyn: what i've never quite been clear on [22:46] hallyn: is what/how they want to call this [22:46] hallyn: note that the preseed pointed to by that bit.ly link should probably go into kvm-autotest's source control [22:46] hallyn: and it'll need to be web-retrievable from somewhere, perhaps a raw git print [22:46] hallyn: and you can shorten that with bit.ly or the like [22:47] hallyn: does that make sense? [22:47] are bit.ly links permanent? [22:47] hey yall, quick question, what exactly is Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud? Is it a virtualization platform? I've got a quadcore amd 6 gig rig, is that enough to support it? [22:47] (that is, until .ly goes down :) [22:48] hallyn: yeah [22:48] hallyn: sure [22:48] hallyn: full urls are fine too in there [22:48] hallyn: and if it's called by a script, there's no need to obfuscate it behind a url shortener [22:49] kirkland: ok, i'll take a look at that next week. (i'm out rest of this week). thanks [22:49] hallyn: if you're typing it in by hand (which i do often do to quickly get a vm installed, hands off) [22:49] hallyn: it's nice to have a bit.ly link :-) [22:49] hallyn: sure [22:49] you control your dns don't you so you could shorten p.c.c/~kirkland/preseed.cfg [22:49] hallyn: heh [22:49] hallyn: i reckon i could [22:50] hallyn: i'm at austin java, at the moment though [22:50] hallyn: and i haven't pwned their dns....yet.... :-) [22:50] ah been back to thunderbird? [22:50] hallyn: i haven't, actually [22:50] hallyn: i just finished the bag of beans i bought there, though, so i was thinking about it yesterday [22:50] hallyn: i didn't pick you to be one for march madness [22:51] huh? [22:51] you'd have been right [22:51] *robbiew is taking the rest of the week off to watch basketball :-P [22:51] kirkland: maybe magic can be put into cobbler to install images with koan using that presseed [22:51] oh :) [22:51] RoAkSoAx: either there, or in orchestra [22:51] unrelated :) [22:51] hallyn: i know, i was kidding [22:52] hallyn: i assume you care none whatsoever for NCAA basketball :-) [22:52] right, but apparently our esteemed prez does [22:53] no love? [22:53] so i found 'conboy' for the n900 today. it does tomboy format, and syncs to ubuntu one! yay [22:53] oraqol: kirkland could answer you best i think :) [22:53] kirkland: definitely in orchestra. But with koan we can easily install KVM images using it on the host, but right now the use of koan to install Ubuntu images is broken :) [22:53] oraqol: what's your question? [22:54] (just hit up-arrow twice i think) [22:54] is it a virtualization platform? [22:54] uec [22:54] oraqol: UEC = Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud [22:55] oraqol: i suppose you could call it a virtualization platform; your hardware is enough to support it, yes [22:55] oraqol: it's intended for making clusters. what is your intended use? [22:55] oraqol: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CDInstall#STEP%201:%20Prerequisites [22:55] right now im running two vms on vanilla ubuntu server, one of which is a pbx, should i just be using uec as the host os? [22:56] hallyn: i'll commit/upload vgabios now, if you like [22:56] oraqol: do you often need to spin new vm's up and down? [22:57] no, they tend to be always running [22:57] kirkland: please do, thanks [22:57] oraqol: probably not necessary in your case [22:57] oraqol: kvm + libvirt is probably enough [22:57] ok cool, thanks guys, much more responsive than the #ubuntu chan [22:57] ttyl! [22:58] all right one more attempt at building grub2 in my vm. then i give [22:58] up [22:58] hallyn: oh [22:58] hallyn: actually, we need one more thing to make this vgabios work [22:59] ? [22:59] $ dpkg -S /usr/share/qemu/vgabios.bin [22:59] qemu-common: /usr/share/qemu/vgabios.bin [22:59] hallyn: qemu-common puts symlinks in that particular path [22:59] hallyn: so we'll have dpkg conflicts [22:59] hold on - maybe not (checking) [23:00] oh [23:00] so why does qemu-common create that link? if it doesn't provide the file? [23:00] hallyn: so actually, i think we just need to remove vgabios/debian/links entirely [23:00] hallyn: okay, here's the logic ... [23:00] well then qemu-common needs to add a bunch more [23:00] (vgabios.qxl.bin, etc) [23:00] hallyn: vgabios puts its bios files in a path that it "owns", /usr/share/vgabios/* [23:01] hallyn: qemu-common depends on vgabios to be functional [23:01] hallyn: and qemu, itself, expects those vgabios files to be in /usr/share/qemu/* [23:01] hallyn: so it should be up to qemu to put symlinks in its owned path to the data it needs [23:02] hallyn: and if qemu needs to add more links, then so be it [23:02] hallyn: but it should be up to qemu package to do that [23:02] hallyn: makes sense? [23:02] sure [23:02] it does make sense [23:03] so scratch that merge request :) [23:03] hallyn: okay, i'm going to fix that in the branch and upload [23:03] which branch? [23:03] both should be done at once, probably, so if you wanted to wait until monday... [23:04] i.e. you can't remove the links from vgabios without fixing qemu-common, without biting some people, right? [23:05] hallyn: hmm, no, i don't think that's a problem [23:05] hallyn: what extra links are needed in qemu-common? [23:06] hallyn: vgabios uploaded [23:06] hallyn: i'm looking at qemu now [23:08] Well, vgabios has all those oterh bios names now... [23:09] hallyn: ah, yes, i see [23:09] hallyn: i'll get those fixed now [23:10] kirkland: thanks! [23:15] hallyn: gotta run now, but i'll get it uploaded tonight [23:15] hallyn: bzr is really slow over public wifi :-( [23:17] kirkland: s/over.$// [23:18] oh no did i say that? [23:18] kirkland: thanks, ttyl [23:19] kirkland: btw, it helps to preseed (if you will) your laptop... I have one shared bzr repo which makes subsequent re-fetches of a tree pretty fast no matter what