[00:00] when i was writing my solar system program at uni i was lucky enough to have an SGI machine with hardware open gl... but the labs were all software 3d with mesa [00:00] shouldn't do a lot of things, but we do them ;) [00:00] but the code was no different on each [00:00] well, that's not really true [00:01] different implementations of opengl have different bugs [00:01] if you use a 3d engine you wont need to worry about any of that [00:01] that's another reason to use one [00:02] so you'd use ogra? [00:02] or however it is spelt [00:02] ogra is the ubuntu-arm developer :) [00:02] ogre3d is what i use for a 3d engine [00:02] i like it because it doesn'trailroad you into making a FPS game [00:02] but other engines are available [00:03] but then aren't you restricted by the engine? [00:04] well yes and no [00:04] I mean, if you let your creative juices flow [00:04] not really because what are you going to do? [00:04] I intend to code a custom morph sorta thing [00:04] all the 3d engine does for you is load the objects from files and manage the scene graph (aka where are the objects) and do culling and fancy effects [00:05] I want to create the objects in the program [00:05] you can do that in ogre, no problem [00:05] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCeUqKeks2U [00:05] ^ the whole race track is generated procedurally [00:05] damn it [00:05] I have youtube blocked [00:06] :( [00:06] whyyyyy [00:06] I was asked to block sites that distract people [00:06] ;) [00:06] so block it for everyone but you? [00:06] bofh 101 [00:07] I do normally have my own tunnel [00:07] but been setting all my stuff up fresh [00:07] :) [00:07] NEW COMP \o/ [00:08] so with orge3d I can draw things from individual squares? [00:08] drag the vertices around [00:08] no [00:08] and stuff [00:08] nor can you do that in opengl [00:08] you need to write a whole 3d editing program either way [00:09] why can't opengl be used for that? [00:09] :/ [00:10] opengl doesn't even have any mouse functions [00:10] it's only for drawing [00:10] oh, I used SDL with opengl [00:10] with a sample thing [00:10] you can make objects with modifiable geometry in ogre [00:11] but you still need to write a whole UI either way [00:11] it was only using the fixed function pipeline though [00:12] it didn't do anything useful, was just playing :) [00:17] ali1234, so I should use C++ too? :/ [00:17] sure [00:18] hello again! [00:18] you don't need to use the advanced stuff like templates [00:18] I hate my C++ book [00:18] stuart__: hi, did it work? [00:18] still not got through it [00:18] Ok, here is the craic... new user -- works in gnome and xfce. [00:18] you can use ogre with python too btw, although it's kind of tricky to set up, and very hard indeed to package for windows [00:19] But not for me. [00:19] no way am I learning python [00:19] ;/ [00:19] either C or C++ ty [00:19] so just use C++ like it was C [00:20] my book encourages a C coder to use modern C++ ways for things [00:20] oh, not C++ for C programmers is it? [00:20] feels like I don't even know how to code when reading some of it [00:20] no [00:20] i have that book, it sucks [00:20] but it starts with more advanced stuff to get stuff going [00:21] then teaches more of the stuff I know, nearer the back [00:21] stuart__: so....... it's something in your gnome config then i guess [00:21] ;) [00:21] * hamitron likes to reset his home directory every now and then [00:22] I compare it to formating windows every few months [00:22] ;) [00:22] So I see. But all my lovely settings ;( [00:23] stuart__: there are some settings in keyboard -> layouts -> options [00:23] i don't know what any of them do but some seem to change the right alt behaviour [00:24] I have looked in all of those settings and to no avail... [00:24] It is an odd one though. [00:24] input methods? [00:24] That is a possibility. [00:35] amazing [00:35] looks like another fan is causing me problems [00:36] unless removing power to my graphics card did it [00:46] don't you hate when companies use weird-ass usb cables so you can't charge your toys when you need to :( [00:46] :) [00:47] Whoah.... é [00:47] It has reset. Somehow!!!! ♯ [00:50] Well thank you all for your time. Have a great night. [00:52] i just got a tip on some amazing microcontroller hardware: [00:52] http://mbed.org/handbook/mbed-NXP-LPC1768 [00:52] £40 from farnell [00:52] that blows away any arduino :) [00:59] that actually looks good [00:59] well small too [01:00] yes, and it fits in standard protoboard [01:05] and there's no IDE, it's all tied into their online platform. luckily you get a (Single) license key with the device. [01:05] this place changes ideologies quicker than I can spell it ;) [01:06] no IDE? [01:06] it's arm [01:06] just use gcc :) [01:10] think I'll just get a fpga [01:10] but gonna complete existing projects first [01:11] do you guys aquire loads of junk to "do stuff sometime"? [01:11] i try not to [01:11] I try ;) just fail badly [01:11] don't see jtag exposed on the pinout there. so I guess you just gotta hope the 'mbed' interface is easily hackable [01:12] it's programmed on serial [01:12] but the first thing i would do is write a usb bootloader [01:14] also, the jtag is exposed, it's multiplexed with other stuff === tomtom is now known as module0x90 [01:18] right [01:18] off to bed [01:18] tired and staring at toys ali1234 is linking me to [01:19] overly active brain before sleep is bad.... [01:19] o/ === tomtom is now known as module0x90 [01:53] hmm wait... the mbed actually has an interface chip between the usb and the lpc chip [01:53] so it's just as fail as the arduino [02:04] seems there's two different usb's on it [02:05] yeah [02:05] you can always wire up a second usb port to the real chip [02:05] it's still annoying and poitnless though [02:05] the mini-usb presents mass-storage via the 'mbed interface'; the one at the pinout is separate [02:05] yeah [02:05] that sucks [02:05] this is what i actually want: http://shop.ngxtechnologies.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_34&products_id=100 [02:07] seems most boards are doing the same thing. sticking the serial programmer on a dedicated usb port because no-one has serial ports anymore [02:07] right [02:07] but it's trivial to make a usb secondary bootloader [02:08] with no extra hardware [02:08] so you only need to use that serial programming interface once [02:08] but on boards like the mbed and arduino you're stuck with it forever [02:08] at least the mbed you can wire up a second plug [02:09] but that kind of defeats the purpose of buying a board with usb on it [02:10] I have arduino that simply don't have usb on them. whine solved :) [02:11] yeah [02:11] except that i'm not interested in interfacing a PC with anything other than USB [02:11] cos like you said, no one has serial ports any more [02:12] and with just a microcontroller all you can really do is blink some leds [02:12] so the most interesting thing to do with them is make USB devices [02:12] although this thing *does* have ethernet... [02:12] which kinds of puts it in a different ballpark really [02:13] but still i am quite surprised they did not include a USB bootloader in the mark ROM [02:13] sorta. would love me a bit of wifi [02:13] wifi is a gigantic pita [02:13] needs way too much software stack [02:14] bluetooth is more realistic with uCs [02:14] sure, but what point in having a thumb-sized board that needs to be hardwired [02:14] hence, bluetooth :) [02:14] and you can attach a bluetooth module on any serial port [02:14] so it is very much possible [02:15] then it needs a host on the other side again :/ [02:16] um... you need something else on wifi for it to talk to as well [02:16] yeah, but not 5 meters away [02:16] bluetooth is essentially adhoc wifi [02:16] my router's here all the time. my laptop, not so much [02:17] and bluetooth is up to 100m now [02:17] unlike wifi it degrades gracefully with range [02:21] modding a router for bluetooth is also quite easy :) [02:33] i guess one thing the mbed has going for it, you can wire it up for usb host, and still program it over usb [07:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vix6TMnj9vY&feature=related [07:38] will it run android I wonder === tim_ is now known as mistertim === tim is now known as mistertim [08:20] AlanBell, around? [08:23] Morning all [08:24] Daviey: indeed [08:34] Daviey: got a min? [08:36] good morning [08:37] AlanBell, Groovy! [08:37] nigelb, i think so [08:38] Daviey: hey, you have that bot to report planet uk posts, any chance you can get me the config for the supybot rss plugin for that? [08:38] Daviey: my attempts failed spectacularly :\ [08:39] nigelb, I could dig around, but you are best asking X3N - it's based on his code. [08:43] Morning [08:46] Next time someone says "Can you do a support call to Australia" remind me to say no [08:47] daubers: Timezone problems? [08:48] DJones: Doing switch config at 11pm hurts my head [08:48] especially when it's a switch I don't know [08:48] Heh, doing anything apart from lieing in bed hurts my head at that time [08:49] Morning [08:50] Morning czajkowski [08:50] daubers, Yeah.. last cycle I had the same issue with the west coast USA.. I was on the phone to upstream at Friday night, till passed Midnight.. Brain frazzled.. not fun. [08:52] urgh [08:53] morning all o/ [08:53] Hi Daviey, long time, no chat...You good? [08:54] selinuxium, Yep! Not too bad. Next time i'm in London, we must go for a beer to catch up. I trust life is good for you? [08:54] Daviey, indeed it is. Things are pleasantly well my side of the fence... :) [08:55] Daviey, always up for a beverage. :) [08:58] did someone say beer? [08:58] Morning TheOpenSourcerer [08:58] beer? [08:58] :) [08:58] Wake up call ;-) [08:58] Morning all. [08:58] Mornin [08:58] Who will be going to London for Natty release? [08:59] selinuxium: I'm in town tomorrow for a lunch with some old mates... [08:59] Daviey: thanks (sorry, stepped away) [08:59] Around Moorgate in fact. [09:00] TheOpenSourcerer, Cool... could pop out for one... :) [09:00] TheOpenSourcerer, Still got this display board here too... :) [09:00] It will probably run into late afternoon. [09:00] Indeed - that was my thinking selinuxium [09:02] TheOpenSourcerer, you got my number? [09:02] nope selinuxium [09:03] ALOHA!!! [09:04] Daviey: I will I think [09:04] if anyone is looking to poke me on saturday rea venue or tables or trying to find me, give me a shout and I give give you my mobile [09:04] Daviey: I will! [09:05] Groovy! I think i'll need some beer then.. :) [09:05] Morning peoples :) [09:05] bigcalm: howdy [09:18] morning czajkowski AlanBell bigcalm [09:20] hmm, any eta on when the new podcast can be downloaded? I missed it last night :( [09:21] kazade: later today [09:22] \o/ [09:22] thx czajkowski [09:22] * kazade waits [09:22] daubers: just linuxjobs post, \o/ minions [09:27] screen-x: I know! Desperate for them now [09:31] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/linuxjobs/2011-March/000581.html if anyones interested [09:34] daubers, can you move about 30 miles East? :) [09:36] what the hell.. Half of my search engines in Firefox have disappeared 0_O [09:36] Google, Wikipedia [09:37] the weird thing is, I've found them all again except Google's [09:37] kazade: Heh, bit too close to the European disty then [09:37] It's completely absent in the add-ons [09:46] well i just posted a comment on my facebook and challenged some friend to use ubuntu 10.10 for 1 week to see how they get on... and i put i would be happy to provide support etc... i wander who will accept ...... [09:47] sudo aptitude -y install random-greeting && random-greeting [09:48] (Don't try that command, I don't know if it will actually install anything!) [09:53] !info random-greeting [09:53] Package random-greeting does not exist in maverick [09:53] JamesTait: That answers that [09:54] DJones: You need the right PPA. ;) [09:54] Heh [09:59] Ahhh, bacon helps the brain switch gear [10:07] http://twitpic.com/49zdu4 whooo [10:08] http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhx9z21lLf1qzozj1.gif [10:09] Who plugged the cat into the mains [10:09] * screen-x spent an hour tripping in the world of osmos last night [10:10] seriously mellow [10:11] MartijnVdS: ropelight cat is ropey? [10:11] screen-x: No idea.. it hurts my eyes :) [10:13] MartijnVdS: hi [10:14] popey, (or anyone else that might know) - do you happen to know what the exec for chrome is called? (not chromium) - chromium is chromium-browser just wondering if chrome takes the same route [10:14] * mungojerry notes jcastro's use of \o/ emoticon on his unity article on omgubuntu. popey would approve [10:14] pass, not on an ubuntu box right now [10:14] :) [10:14] \o/ [10:15] gord: google-chrome [10:16] screen-x, you are a star, saved me a few boring minutes of downloading, thanks :) [10:16] * czajkowski throws toys at gord [10:16] sweet! toys! [10:16] * czajkowski has taffy [10:16] :D [10:16] anyone know where phpversion() gets its version string from? [10:17] i don't keep desktop toys at my desk, i bought some little magnets once for playing with whilst things built, really hard to get anything done when those are on your desk... [10:17] hi [10:17] gord: I make music with an old heatsink and a screwdriver [10:17] BigRedS: PHP_VERSION_ID ? [10:18] morning kaushal [10:18] Hello kaushal [10:18] * gord sends out more contributor agreements for unity - seems like there are more new people every week [10:21] jpds: mmm, I was more wanting to append to it, presumably at compile time [10:22] In case anyone cared, this fixed my search add-on woe: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/751010#answer-146360 [10:27] Thinking of migrating to Narwhal tonight.... [10:28] BigRedS: main/php_version.h looks like a good candidate [10:28] Hey BigRedS , How are you doing? [10:28] selinuxium: it may not help your frustration [10:28] czajkowski, at least it will be focussed... :) [10:28] screen-x: oh yeah. I've jsut been getting annoyed at that not being set in the configure options! I always forget I have the source... [10:28] And I will be able to shout... [10:29] BigRedS: that may well be generated by the build system.. [10:30] selinuxium: by migrating, do you mean your prod system? [10:30] mungojerry, God no! [10:31] selinuxium: i was gonna say... [10:31] mungojerry, my laptop... I can deal with pain on that... [10:31] there is pain [10:31] is there a command line tool which I can use to report cpu load counter. Something like a mile-o-meter on a car. Not an instantaneous value (via top etc)? [10:31] but lots of fun if you like reporting bugs [10:31] * screen-x considers mungojerrys philosphical statement [10:31] mungojerry, are there still large show stoppers out there? [10:32] Bollinger: by not instantaneous do you mean graphs? [10:32] Bollinger: cpu usage by %, or load average? [10:33] selinuxium: showstoppers, probably not, but annoyances without workarounds as yet , yes :) [10:33] Bollinger: top/htop will show you cumulative cpu time for each process (time+) [10:33] screen-x, I would like something that gives me a number, which I can take a look at once a day to get a delta. If the delta one day is huge I know something is very cpu intensive [10:34] you can do that yes [10:34] you could use a tool like rrd to put the cpu load into a db periodically then ask it for an average per day [10:34] i do that with my house electricity usage [10:34] mungojerry, Cheers :) [10:35] Bollinger: even vmstat 60 (substitute for n seconds) would give some useful info [10:36] Bollinger: sar could also be useful [10:36] ooo, both also good suggestions [10:36] Bollinger: have you heard of conky? [10:36] mungojerry, I like to have a slightly broken system... Ubuntu has been so stable I haven't needed to fix it... Losing my linux foo.. [10:36] !info sysstat [10:36] sysstat (source: sysstat): system performance tools for Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 9.0.6.1-2 (maverick), package size 247 kB, installed size 1144 kB [10:36] conky lets you put this info onto the desktop background as a little chart and numerical info [10:37] including cpu temperature etc [10:38] mu [10:38] \o/ mu [10:39] Bollinger: have you stopped beating your wife yet? [10:39] Bollinger: e.g. check out pics http://fak3r.com/geek/howto-conky-config-conkyrc-for-debian-part-2/ [10:39] mungojerry, I cant use a gui app, I am looking for a command line [10:39] ah ok :) [10:39] screen-x, just installing trying to get working sar [10:44] gobmsacked [10:44] Has all work stopped on 9.04? I haven't been notified of an update for weeks on my parents' machine [10:45] Will attempt to upgrade that machine to 10.10 this weekend when we visit [10:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS [10:45] in short, yes [10:45] popey: ouch @ mailing list link [10:45] Fair enough :) [10:45] bigcalm: it's not an LTS [10:45] bigcalm: yah 9.04 is EOL [10:45] czajkowski: I know that :) [10:46] Cheers. I guess it went EOL recently [10:46] popey: That thread is a bag of #fail [10:46] yeah, not an LTS, but the dates for non-lts are on the LTS page too [10:46] Gotcha [10:46] * screen-x wonders why czajkowski is gobsmacked [10:46] * kazade really needs to implement "Retweet" in his Twitter client [10:47] My bytemark host is still using 8.04 :S [10:47] 9.04 went EOL in october [10:47] bigcalm: 8.04 is LTS though innit? [10:47] mungojerry: it is [10:47] Just didn't realise that I have had the host for so long [10:47] screen-x: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg05037.html [10:48] 10.04 has been my fave release ever [10:48] Or bytemark are slow to offer new LTS installs [10:48] MartijnVdS: hi [10:48] < MartijnVdS> ipband - daemon for subnet bandwidth monitoring with reporting via email [10:49] I still grumble at PHP 5.3 being made the default. Breaks a lot of PHP 5.2 sites. Ah well, progress 'n all that [10:49] shall i pastebin the ipband.conf ? [10:51] Any 'specy 4 eyes' here got any tips on how to stop the bridge of the nose from getting sore? [10:52] I've used glasses for 4 years and still haven't figured this one out [10:52] bigcalm: my wife has recently started poking small bits of plastic into her eyes in the morning. [10:52] looks painful, but may solve the problem [10:53] screen-x: sadly I'm only slightly long sighted, so use specs for computer useage [10:53] kaushal: I don't know it. I only apt-cache search'd [10:53] bigcalm: slightly sounds like a good thing :) [10:54] MartijnVdS: ok [10:54] np [10:54] screen-x: I guess, but it means that I can't use contacts as I need to take my glasses off when I leave the room [10:54] MartijnVdS: i dont see anything on the webpage ? [10:54] kaushal: I don't know [10:54] screen-x: hi [10:54] hoover: hi [10:54] MartijnVdS: ta for the 2nd playlist. It was very well received :) [10:54] since you greeted me [10:56] MartijnVdS: can i seek help somewhere ? [10:57] TheOpenSourcerer: yup [10:57] * czajkowski has an itchy nose [10:57] ever good [10:58] *never [10:58] * popey puts the pepper away [10:58] I get that while eating out sometimes [10:58] Still haven't figured out the cause [10:58] bigcalm: In case you didn't know here is a useful PPA for 10.04 servers https://launchpad.net/~txwikinger/+archive/php5.2 :-) [10:58] i get it just after putting on aftershave [10:59] TheOpenSourcerer: most interesting [10:59] TheOpenSourcerer: ah, I already have it all pinned in 10.10 :) [11:06] admin [11:07] oops [11:07] :D [11:07] this is not openerp [11:07] lol [11:07] AlanBell: at least you didnt type the next line ;-) [11:07] password: [11:07] 8x0sa0(((nqwojdow09-08lm *** [11:07] Ahh [11:07] \o/ [11:07] * popey hax0r3s the gibson [11:07] I just made that one up :-) [11:07] You can use it if you like [11:07] that is indeed a two handed mash on the keyboard [11:08] i can tell by the pixels [11:08] wut [11:08] couscous = pixelated food [11:08] good morning everyone, [11:09] haha [11:09] i like that [11:09] 8 bit food [11:10] * AlanBell ponders [11:10] Amusing indeed [11:11] Just applied a plaster to the bridge of my nose. Maybe it'll help :) (Yes, I look like a dork) [11:11] bigcalm: maybe lighter glasses would help? [11:11] ones that don't weigh anything :p [11:12] frames filled with helium \o/ [11:12] bigcalm: are you sure they're fit correctly? [11:12] Pendulum: they possibly do not :) [11:12] remembers the conkywizard application for producing conky setups that look like branded ubuntu :) [11:13] even has the canonical dots :) [11:17] Going by the release date of StarTrek, I got my last pair of specs in May 2009. I guess it's soon to be time for a new test/glasses [11:19] TheOpenSourcerer: bug 734077 [11:19] Launchpad bug 734077 in OpenERP Addons "Analytic Account Code sequence not working" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/734077 [11:20] i wonder if there is any truth in the idea that lots of computer work means you need glasses sooner [11:21] popey: i'm concerned by that thread that you tweeted about [11:21] mungojerry: I had to get glasses a wee while after getting this office job [11:21] mungojerry: they stopped the headaches [11:21] * mungojerry has been using computers for 30 years [11:21] 10 hours a day without many breaks? [11:21] but always insisted on good refresh rates on CRT montiors [11:22] People are different :) [11:22] bigcalm: working fulltime since 15 yrs ago [11:22] yeah, the rest of my family have good eyesight [11:24] although i get this googly eye problem a lot now [11:24] which is hard to explain [11:25] but my eyes suddenly want to defocus and won't focus on things. it usually happens when i don't get enough sleep [11:25] but it could be physcological [11:25] I was going to say that it sounds like sleep deprivation [11:26] Stress can make my eyes twitch :) [11:26] mungojerry: I've been using computers daily since the Vic 20 came out, I only wear glasses for driving/distance [11:26]