[00:01] <akk> I'd love to see how those are created. I like 'em a lot too.
[00:32] <seidos> leonard nimoy does a voice on "transformers the movie" from 1986?
[00:32] <seidos> this might actually be cooler than i thought
[00:34] <m4gnus> Wait until you find out they cuss in the movie
[00:42] <seidos> :o
[00:56] <erichammond> I forgot to mention that when they broke into my car, they stole an Ubuntu 10.10 CD.  I made sure to include it in the police report.
[00:56] <erichammond> though the officer kept asking its real value when I said "free".
[01:15] <seidos> well, i guess that's the brightside
[02:14] <iheartubuntu> go la galaxy
[03:32] <iheartubuntu> are there any apps out there for handling business cards?
[04:12] <pleia2> aha, my problem wasn't init, it was the stop script for the firewall leaving it in a funky state after reboot
[04:12]  * pleia2 shakefist
[04:13] <pleia2> (no, I haven't been working on it all this time, I took a long break to clear my head :) )
[04:14] <akk> Whew, I'm glad for that.
[04:15] <pleia2> guess this explains why we never had a stop portion of that
[04:15]  * akk got syslogd working and is now writing a tutorial on it for her blog
[04:15] <pleia2> I thought I was fixing something by adding one :) oops
[04:15] <pleia2> oh great!
[04:44] <seidos> i saw that movie "zombieland"
[04:44] <seidos> twinkies and bill murray.  hilarious.
[04:45] <seidos> they even showed the scene from ghostbusters re: the 600 lb twinkie
[04:45] <seidos> i was pleasantly surprised
[05:56] <akk> Yikes, my little tutorial came out 160 lines, that's a bit more than I intended.
[05:56] <akk> (though compared to the 822 lines in the man page, maybe that's not so bad since a lot of it is examples)
[06:03] <seidos> hmmmm
[15:29] <seidos> hey iheartubuntu
[15:29] <iheartubuntu> whats up!
[15:29] <seidos> i was just going to tell folks on this thread about the ubuntu hour in pasadena
[15:30] <iheartubuntu> the next one is in april
[15:30] <seidos> but there was nothing @ this link:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours
[15:30] <seidos> what's the info, and i'll add it
[15:31] <iheartubuntu> everything is here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/778/detail/
[15:31] <iheartubuntu> a whopping one person attending so far (me)
[15:31] <iheartubuntu> :)
[15:31] <iheartubuntu> although you dont have to register on the site to go!
[15:32] <iheartubuntu> i need to shoot this over to the SGVLUG mailing list as well. Are you on their list?
[15:33] <seidos> all right, cool
[15:37] <seidos> iheartubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~mrandrzejak is a dead link.  do i have it right?
[15:37] <iheartubuntu> its dead. my link is https://launchpad.net/~iheartubuntu
[15:37] <seidos> got it
[15:37] <iheartubuntu> for some reason my openid is logging in as my old nick
[15:38] <iheartubuntu> have no clue or time on how to fix it
[15:38] <seidos> i'm thinking i should do an Ubuntu hour in downey now
[15:38] <seidos> i dunno, maybe it's an issue with launchpad
[15:39] <iheartubuntu> I just got word from my brother finally.
[15:40] <seidos> the one in japan?
[15:40] <iheartubuntu> He said the US embassy in Tokyo is sending out continual notices that Japan has everything under control and theres no need to worry.
[15:41] <iheartubuntu> He said he doesnt believe it and it all feels like a bad nightmare
[15:41] <seidos> i heard 10 thousand people are reported dead
[15:41] <iheartubuntu> his 102 yr old mother in law broke her hip in the earthquake
[15:41] <seidos> sounds hellish to me
[15:41] <iheartubuntu> thats what ive heard too
[15:41] <seidos> drowning sucks
[15:42] <seidos> dying sucks
[15:42] <iheartubuntu> he said one of the biggest concerns people have now is the volcanos going off
[15:42] <seidos> hmmm, there was volcanic activity in hawaii
[15:42] <seidos> i'm not sure about the geological science in japan
[15:43] <seidos> probably doesn't make sense to worry, just prepare for the shit
[15:43] <seidos> i'm sure more disasters are to come
[15:43] <seidos> not sure how california would handle an 9.0
[15:43] <seidos> probably not all that well
[15:44] <iheartubuntu> he said one problem he notices is that people are not watching the news because its truly devastating and pertinent info and updates are not getting out timely enough
[15:44] <seidos> the news is a waste of time
[15:44] <seidos> it is too sensationalistic
[15:44] <seidos> i hate to say it, but people probably could get more timely updates on twitter
[15:44] <seidos> assuming they find someone good to follow
[15:45] <seidos> perhaps there is a government agency on there one could follow
[15:45] <seidos> if not...well, i guess subscribe to the local paper's rss feeds
[15:45] <seidos> hmmm, i should do that, actually
[15:45] <seidos> well, google news has local news all the way at the bottom
[15:46] <seidos> i dunno
[15:46] <seidos> food, water, shelter
[15:46] <seidos> not sure if news addresses that
[15:46] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[15:47] <iheartubuntu> thanks seidos
[15:48] <iheartubuntu> i had edited another wiki with the info, but did not know this one existed
[15:48] <seidos> uh oh
[15:48] <seidos> there's more than one?
[15:48] <iheartubuntu> the main one
[15:48] <iheartubuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[15:49] <seidos> hmmm, interesting
[15:50] <seidos> hey...sao paulo, i wonder if my friend in brazil could go to that one
[15:50] <iheartubuntu> i have several people tell me they went to drug stores around los angeles and were told they needed prescriptions for iodide. this is BS by the way. its over the counter.
[15:50] <seidos> iodide?  is that the same as iodine?
[15:51] <seidos> perhaps they are rationing it now
[15:51] <seidos> for disinfection, alcohol should work fine
[15:51] <iheartubuntu> i dont know the specifics, i think iodide is a safer form of iodine?
[15:52] <akk> iodide is an ion of iodine
[15:53] <akk> like chloride in sodium chloride (the element is chlorine)
[15:53] <seidos> what's the solution for disinfecting wounds called, iodine, right?
[15:54] <akk> They used to sell iodine (I don't know if it was pure) for painting on wounds, but I wouldn't assume it was safe to ingest something like that.
[15:54] <iheartubuntu> you can get iodine naturally in foods, you dont need to drop $500 for a couple of pills on ebay
[15:54] <seidos> i'm not familiar with iodine the element, really
[15:54] <seidos> salt is typically iodinized
[15:54]  * iheartubuntu dad used to draw bunny rabbit faces on my skinned knees :)
[15:54] <akk> You can also get little bottles of some iodine compound in camping stores, for disinfecting water.
[15:54] <seidos> i have a "darth maul" bandaid on my knee right now
[15:55]  * akk still doesn't think it's worth worrying about, hasn't gone to the local camp store
[15:55] <seidos> huh, iodine for disinfecting water, that's interesting
[15:55] <seidos> i've heard of chlorine tablets, but never iodine
[15:56] <seidos> maybe people are getting iodine to try and treat a thyroid problem
[15:56] <akk> I don't think I've seen chlorine sold for camping purposes, just iodine.
[15:56] <seidos> hmmm, maybe they don't sell it
[15:56] <akk> Tastes nasty but apparently it kills Giardia.
[15:56] <seidos> or maybe what i read was a misnomer
[15:56] <seidos> when you're thirsty enough, doesn't matter what it tastes like
[15:57] <iheartubuntu> the CPM in San Fran is now at "30", yesterday it was in the 20s, and before that the teens. there is also a report that radiation has now reached Alaska but has not reached dangerous levels http://bit.ly/hdsm0X
[15:57] <seidos> not familiar with acronym "CPM"
[15:58] <seidos> greatest advice ever in a novel may be in Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy:  "don't panic"
[15:58] <akk> I remember CPM -- it was the hot OS before MS-DOS.
[15:58] <seidos> though, i suspect a lot of people don't take it literally :|
[15:59] <iheartubuntu> Chrome officially gets a new logo... http://bit.ly/hUWFjn
[15:59] <seidos> never used CPM, i've heard elders refer to it though
[15:59] <seidos> looks the same to me
[15:59] <seidos> firefox works fine for me.  i'll switch to chrome when ubuntu officially does
[16:00] <akk> I tried CP/M-86 briefly (on a PC compatible). The machine also had a Z-80 and was supposed to run real CP/M but they never released the specs for how to do that.
[16:00] <seidos> i was wasting too much time on the web anyway
[16:00] <akk> It was pretty similar to DOS, really.
[16:00] <seidos> hehe, that's funny
[16:00] <seidos> DOS
[16:00] <seidos> d-aw-s
[16:00] <seidos> not d-oh-s
[16:01] <seidos> i prefer d-oh-s
[16:01] <seidos> like the number 2 in spanish
[16:01] <seidos> chromium's logo is a bit different.  the logo still looks like a creepy HAL allusion to me
[16:07] <seidos> i know this sounds silly, but all this natural disaster stuff reminds me of "zombieland"
[16:07] <seidos> Eisenberg's character had these rules for surviving the zombie apocalypse
[16:08] <seidos> it seems like they were practical, whether there's a zombie apocalypse or not
[16:08] <seidos> like, keep your cardio up, don't be a hero, and wear your seatbelt :)
[16:09] <iheartubuntu> From RussiaToday: Damaged reactors at Fukushima out of control, catastrophic events may occur in hours - EU Energy Commissioner
[16:10] <seidos> :|
[16:10] <seidos> hmmm, mierda
[16:11] <seidos> i better look up the word hell in spanish
[16:11] <iheartubuntu> so I heard Fukushima had been storing 600,000 spent rods (40 yrs worth) and that was part of the explosions. that cant be good.
[16:11] <seidos> oh right, infierno
[16:11] <seidos> but, that presupposes there isn't a cold hell :|
[16:12] <seidos> my nuclear chemistry isn't good enough to understand why storing spent rods causes explosions
[16:12] <seidos> i guess the rods need to be cooled?
[16:12] <iheartubuntu> i believe so
[16:12] <iheartubuntu> otherwise they would catch on fire or something
[16:13] <seidos> i wonder when these reactors were built
[16:13] <iheartubuntu> i would think 10+ years ago?
[16:13] <seidos> makes me wonder what plants should be demo'ed now to build better ones
[16:13] <seidos> my guess is the 70s
[16:14] <seidos> pretty sure people aren't building nuclear anymore
[16:14] <seidos> i can't say i blame them, now that i think of it, it must be much more complex to operate
[16:14] <iheartubuntu> chinas new 5 year plan was to build 10 new nuclear plants. i wonder if they will change their 5 year plan now?
[16:16] <seidos> icy hell?  inhielo maybe
[16:16] <seidos> i don't know.  they are pretty arrogant.
[16:16] <seidos> they might go through with it just to try and prove they are better than the Japanese
[16:17] <seidos> of course, nuclear physicists probably aren't the ones making those decisions i would think
[16:17] <seidos> they aren't the ones making the decisions here, so they probably aren't the ones making the decisions in Japan, or China
[16:18] <seidos> i can't query in empathy :|
[16:18] <seidos> oh wait, yeah i can
[16:18] <seidos> it's just 3 steps instead of one
[16:19] <seidos> more people are downloading i386 ubuntu than 64bit from me
[16:20] <seidos> gotta' use the latest and greatest stuff, that's how tech works :|
[16:36] <nhaines> I have a bottle of iodine tabs for camping.
[16:37] <nhaines> It has a complementary bottle of tabs that make the water not taste like iodine.  :
[16:37] <nhaines> :)
[16:38] <seidos> :)
[16:40] <akk> I've used those -- it does help, water still doesn't taste good but it's a little better than the pure iodine taste.
[16:41] <seidos> what tastes worse, hard alcohol or water purified with iodine?
[16:43]  * nhaines enjoys hard alcohol.
[16:43] <nhaines> akk: it is better.  And a lot quicker than boiling it.
[16:44] <seidos> one can enjoy something despite it tasting like poison
[16:45] <nhaines> The sweetener of the future.  Tastes like sugar because it's made from sugar.  Alcohol or Splenda?  You decide!
[16:46] <seidos> never tried sugar alochol, which alcohol is this?
[16:46] <seidos> alcohol is serious business
[16:46] <seidos> cha ching
[16:47] <akk> rum is made from sugar, isn't it?
[16:47] <seidos> you must have a little captain in ya
[16:48] <iheartubuntu> akk yes
[16:48] <seidos> bacardi 151 does not taste sweet
[16:48] <seidos> it still tastes like poison to me
[16:48] <iheartubuntu> i saw a PBS special about alcohol making. it covered rum and tequila i think
[16:48] <seidos> oh right, it is fermented (read, rotten) sugar
[16:48] <akk> Dark rum tastes a bit sweet.
[16:49] <seidos> malibu rum is not hard alcohol
[16:49] <seidos> not that i'm advocating the consumption of hard alcohol
[16:49]  * akk doesn't like the taste of alcohol, though
[16:49] <iheartubuntu> i think even george washington made rum
[16:49] <seidos> me neither, that didn't stop me from drinking it when i was dumberer
[16:49] <seidos> poor george
[16:49] <seidos> he's dead
[16:50] <iheartubuntu> ??
[16:50] <seidos> :'(
[16:50] <iheartubuntu> seidos is on a "dead" vibe right now
[16:50]  * seidos poors some rum on the curb for General Washington
[16:50] <akk> yeah, seidos, I drank plenty of it too in my time.
[16:50]  * iheartubuntu drinks some for george washington :)
[16:50] <seidos> oh great, i didn't even know there was a "dead vibe"
[16:51] <iheartubuntu> its a new pontiac vehicle
[16:51] <seidos> i am not proud of it akk
[16:51] <iheartubuntu> i wouldnt want one though
[16:51] <seidos> it's the discontinued model
[16:51] <iheartubuntu> hahaa
[16:51] <iheartubuntu> im guessing it only came in black
[16:52] <seidos> with black or red leather interior
[16:53] <seidos> "en vino veritas" has not been verified via a double blind placebo controlled study :'(
[17:20] <iheartubuntu> my wife was watching a video of some russians in tokyo disneyland who were videotaping when the quake hit. the ground was separating and moving 6+ inches back and forth... everyone thought it was "part of the show" they were watching. only when the light posts started falling on people did they realize what was going on.
[18:49] <pleia2> jdeslip: great slides from the talk last night :) (peanut gallery: android dev talk, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/172219/JDeslippe-BALUG.pdf)
[18:56] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: Just sent an email about an opensource thingie up there
[18:56] <DarkwingDuck> NASA is hosting
[18:56] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: yeah, invite only, and we don't have invites
[18:56] <pleia2> there is remote participation though
[18:57] <DarkwingDuck> Remote participation is free
[18:57] <DarkwingDuck> Anyway. I spammed a few emails address' with the info
[18:58] <pleia2> I wish we could actually attend in person
[18:58] <pleia2> alas
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> interesting thanks pleia2 and jdeslip
[18:58] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, but, I will be there in remote
[18:58] <pleia2> plus I suppose my boss wants me to work during the day
[18:59] <akk> I'd love to see a summary of that NASA thing afterward.
[18:59] <akk> What their policies will be.
[19:00] <iheartubuntu> im surprised i dont here more open source info come out of JPL
[19:00] <DarkwingDuck> I do know that they have good open source stuff
[19:00] <DarkwingDuck> I also know that they use open stack for data
[19:00] <pleia2> yeah, they use a lot of open source
[19:00] <pleia2> have been using redhat-y things for ages
[19:02] <akk> Someone told me a long time ago that software produced for gov't agencies like NASA had to be public domain, but that's clearly not true (and also ignores issues like classified info)
[19:02] <akk> and I've been really curious what the real rules are on open code and open data.
[19:03] <pleia2> akk: oh! you are my hero today for http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/networkSchemes.html#hotpluggable
[19:03] <DarkwingDuck> There is a difference between open source software and classified information
[19:03] <akk> Some projects choose to make their data open (very few open their source code) but a lot of people don't share either one.
[19:03] <pleia2> allow-hotplug truly is mysterious
[19:03] <akk> pleia2: It is! I've actually wondered whether it was still relevant. Is it?
[19:04] <pleia2> it is, and debian defaults to it rather than auto in most configuratios now :(
[19:04] <DarkwingDuck> open information and FOSS is a large gap
[19:06] <pleia2> and using allow-hotplug on servers is not awesome, I had a race condition in networking because udev hadn't got it's head together fast enough for allow-hotplug before other things related to networking loaded
[19:06] <DarkwingDuck> Then again... we know all about open information and open source diffrences
[19:06] <DarkwingDuck> at least in here...
[19:07] <akk> pleia2: Wow, interesting, I didn't know it made that much difference in the boot sequence.
[19:07] <akk> I've never been clear what program is interpreting those lines and what they do with them.
[19:07] <pleia2> akk: I think usually it doesn't, but on VMs they boot so fast that you can have a case where udev hasn't finished starting before other things come up
[19:08] <pleia2> I am only having this race condition with VMs
[19:09] <akk> I need to update that network schemes page with the real WPA lines and my new beefed-up python scripts.
[19:37] <DarkwingDuck> Is twitter down for anyone else?
[19:38] <akk> working here (the web UI)
[19:39] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: it's been flakey for me all morning
[19:39] <pleia2> keep getting "Something is technically wrong."
[19:39] <akk> twitter being flaky is just normal
[19:39] <pleia2> clients seem to be working fine though
[19:39] <DarkwingDuck> This is flakier then normal
[19:40] <iheartubuntu> gwibber works
[19:40] <iheartubuntu> NASA (25 seconds ago)
[19:44] <DarkwingDuck> I sent from my phone.
[22:09] <iheartubuntu> hi guest
[22:21] <jtatum> hi iheartubuntu
[22:31] <iheartubuntu> hi jtatum
[23:19] <Guest28722> i told the sales lady at bestbuy about SCaLE
[23:19] <Guest28722> arg
[23:22] <iheartubuntu> what did she say?
[23:25] <seidos> she tried to say that knott's berry farm is better
[23:25] <seidos> i mean, not specifically
[23:26] <seidos> i tried to sell SCaLE's laser tag
[23:26] <seidos> and she said Knott's has laser tag
[23:26] <seidos> then i said i have a pass to disneyland
[23:27] <seidos> but i only go when my gf goes
[23:27] <seidos> and then she said she hasn't gone in awhile
[23:27] <seidos> then i said SCaLE is better
[23:36] <iheartubuntu> so you won basically
[23:37] <seidos> only if she goes >_<
[23:38] <akk> Scale isn't that great for linux first-timers, though.
[23:41] <iheartubuntu> what would you recommend akk
[23:42] <iheartubuntu> im interested in other linux events in california
[23:42] <nhaines> How about making appropriate recommendations?
[23:42] <iheartubuntu> ive got my first taste and want more. i am effectively drunk now on ubuntu ;)
[23:43] <iheartubuntu> (and linux in general)
[23:45] <akk> iheartubuntu: In SoCal I don't know what groups would be good for a beginner -- some LUGs are but many aren't.
[23:45] <jtatum> don't burn out! :)
[23:45] <akk> Some place that has interactive installfest-type sessions to help someone get started.
[23:45] <iheartubuntu> a jam?
[23:46] <nhaines> That's not a jam.
[23:46] <akk> Ubuntu Global Jams seem very focused on specific things, like writing docs or making deb packages. Are there other types of jams?
[23:47] <iheartubuntu> nhaines did something last year at his nearby university... i wanted to attend but did not make it.
[23:47] <iheartubuntu> it was a fest of some sort if i recall
[23:47] <iheartubuntu> (not oktoberfest)
[23:47] <seidos> was it at Chapman?
[23:47] <seidos> i might have been there
[23:47] <iheartubuntu> i think so
[23:47] <pleia2> at the berkeley one I'm bringing daily build xubuntu isos so people can do livecd testing (not exactly a fun activity for non-geeks, but the instructions for testing are simple and anyone can do it)
[23:47] <iheartubuntu> he may have done more than one
[23:47] <pleia2> berkeley one == berkeley jam
[23:48] <akk> A party/picnic, like Picnix or geeknics, would be fun for first timers, or an installfest if it's run well.
[23:48] <pleia2> yeah
[23:48] <akk> (I was disappointed with the couple of SVLUG installfests I went to)
[23:49] <akk> LiveCD testing could be fun for anyone, if you let them just play rather than following a specific testing script.
[23:49] <akk> "Here, see if you can follow the UI, find games, see if stuff generally works"
[23:50] <pleia2> good point, I'll be sure to encourage people to play beyond the script
[23:50] <nhaines> akk:  what could have been better at those installfests?
[23:50] <pleia2> I think our installfest last spring at noisebridge went pretty well, except for the scheduling snafu (same day as the Carnaval in the Mission, apparently the biggest festival of the year, oops)
[23:51] <pleia2> I mean, it can be difficult to avoid festivals in the spring in san francisco, but that mistake was pretty egregious
[23:52] <iheartubuntu> when is the generally accepted time to post Ubuntu Hour info the mailing list? one week or two weeks in advance?
[23:52] <iheartubuntu> or a month and then again a week before?
[23:53] <pleia2> the SF ones are monthly and I tend to post about a week before
[23:53] <iheartubuntu> ok
[23:53] <pleia2> so I don't have a monthly reminder, everyone knows it's monthly, I just remind them a week before :)
[23:53] <iheartubuntu> same for the forum UH page too i would assume
[23:53] <pleia2> you can update the UH page whenever you want
[23:53] <pleia2> I usually update the forums at the same time as I make the announcement
[23:53] <pleia2> on the mailing list
[23:53] <iheartubuntu> sounds good ty
[23:54] <pleia2> maybe I'll add these guidelines to our Hour page :)
[23:54] <pleia2> they will help me remember too
[23:54] <iheartubuntu> im thinking there might be many on the mailing list who arent active in IRC or forums so for a first time event, a month notice and then again a week before might be helpful.
[23:54] <pleia2> nothing wrong with that
[23:55] <iheartubuntu> im trying to sign up to the local LUG mailing list as well and post there
[23:56] <pleia2> fwiw I asked permission of the local lugs before posting
[23:57] <pleia2> I've never had a problem personally, but I know some locos have gotten off on a bad foot with local lugs for posting about their events on lug lists for whatever reason
[23:59] <nhaines> I posted and then talked to the OCLUG president later about being conscious of spamming.  He said that was silly and anything to promote Linux was great.
[23:59] <nhaines> But I felt better having talked to him about it.