[01:29] <lostson> home again home again
[01:43]  * nickmoeck is preparing to make the leap to Natty
[01:45] <lostson> been there done that unity was a bust for me
[01:45] <lostson> not impressive at all
[01:46] <lostson> tiling window manager that is shiny and has fancy effects
[01:46] <lostson> interesting concept though
[01:51] <nickmoeck> I won't be using Unity. I'm a KDE guy
[01:53] <mikeputnam> i'm very happy with Lucid. in fact the happiest i've been so far with desktop Linuxen
[01:54] <mikeputnam> only a Fedora 12 install from a few years back comes in a close second
[01:54] <mikeputnam> i really want to love OpenBSD but i can't yet
[01:54] <mikeputnam> i'm too impatient
[01:55] <mikeputnam> there are many things OpenBSD does better than any other
[01:55] <mikeputnam> yet there are things that they severely lack in as well
[01:55] <mikeputnam> i wish i was a c savant so i could contribute
[02:21] <twopoint718> mikeputnam: yes, I want to help on those kinds of projects but it seems kinda daunting
[02:23] <mikeputnam> my experience has been: it seems attractive, get all revved up about helping, file a bug report or two, help some newbs out with a few easy questions, but after a while that just isn't enough to keep me revved up.
[02:23] <mikeputnam> i'm not vested enough
[02:23] <twopoint718> I need to develop the skill of diving into an existing codebase.  It can be really tough.
[02:25] <lostson> i love C its my favorite to work with hence the new mimic project im working on but that is a mix of C and Lua
[02:25] <twopoint718> I was also going to say (about what loston was saying before) that I'm giving a lightning talk at the next MadLUG meeting on tiling window managers.
[02:25] <mikeputnam> dwm!
[02:25] <lostson> mimic!
[02:25] <twopoint718> yes, dwm and xmonad
[02:26] <lostson> both excellent tiling window managers
[02:26] <twopoint718> I've only got 10 min or so, but I think I can show (really briefly) how to tweak their configurations
[02:27] <lostson> dwm shouldnt be a problem but xmonad i think you will be pressed for time seeing as its haskell
[02:27] <twopoint718> I'll start with an existing config file and just change something like a basic keybinding, just to give a flavor of it.
[02:28] <twopoint718> and say something like "oh and there's xmobar for if you want a status bar and trayer if you want a systray"
[02:31] <twopoint718> ...would there be anything that even a 10min talk on tiling window managers *must* include?
[02:34] <mikeputnam> tmux?
[02:34] <mikeputnam> (more openbsd <3)
[02:38]  * h00k is here
[02:39] <h00k> I saw a guy at one of the release parties use xmonad
[02:39] <twopoint718> h00k: I like it very much.
[02:39] <h00k> twopoint718: I tried to set it up once.
[02:39] <h00k> I got scared and gave up.
[02:40] <twopoint718> It really helps to start with a config file that someone else set up. Or start with no config file and use the defaults.  The tutorial is a *must*
[02:41] <h00k> rails s -d
[02:41] <h00k> wrong terminal.
[02:46] <lostson> you wait h00k when mimic is done you will like that : )
[02:47] <h00k> lostson: what is this?
[02:47] <lostson> its my continuation of the ion3 work but its called mimic
[02:47] <lostson> another tiling wm
[02:47] <h00k> Gotcha
[02:47] <h00k> I knew you couldn't leave for the Windows forever.
[02:49] <h00k> heroku db:pull
[02:49] <h00k> bah, stop it!
[02:49] <lostson> nah i cant stand windows too damn slow
[02:50] <h00k> one bug down
[02:52] <h00k> I'm working on wedding-rsvp again
[02:55] <h00k> And how did I miss this Ratatat album?
[02:55] <h00k> LP4
[02:57] <mikeputnam> today i made this pointless exercise of node.js + express + mongodb + mongoose orm on a free server from joyent  http://dhmn.no.de/
[02:57] <mikeputnam> i ran apache bench against this and an equally pointless app i cobbled on google app engine and node.js won
[02:58] <mikeputnam> scientific proof!
[02:58] <mikeputnam> that i write pointless apps   :/
[02:58] <h00k> mongodb
[02:58] <h00k> is that the one with Web Scale?
[02:58] <mikeputnam> doesn't sound familiar
[02:59] <h00k> Ahahaha, there was this dumb video...hang on
[02:59] <mikeputnam> mongodb is a nosql, json based db
[02:59] <h00k> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
[03:01] <h00k> er, some language apparently is NSFW
[03:01] <mikeputnam> lol
[03:02]  * h00k facepalms
[03:02] <h00k> yeah...
[03:02] <h00k> whoops.
[03:02] <mikeputnam> lolol
[03:02] <mikeputnam> omg lol
[03:04] <mikeputnam> lolol
[03:05] <h00k> :D
[03:05] <twopoint718> so what is this "webscale" meme?
[03:05] <h00k> no clue
[03:05] <mikeputnam> that is the awesomest
[03:06] <mikeputnam> i'm guilty of becoming enamored with such things
[03:07] <mikeputnam> they're the android/iPad/3dTV/$shinynewthing of web app dev
[03:07] <h00k> webscale.
[03:08] <mikeputnam> i hadn't realized that mongo doesn't actually store writes immediately
[03:08]  * mikeputnam learns from pop humor videos
[03:08]  * h00k unplugs server before commit
[03:09] <mikeputnam> for most stupid crap (or pointless apps) on the internet this is acceptable
[03:09] <h00k> yep.
[03:09] <h00k> Dougipad: wat
[03:09] <h00k> Dougipad: no
[03:09]  * h00k disbeliefs
[03:09] <Dougipad> H00k you can add another I'd
[03:10] <h00k> Dougipad: I see that.
[03:10] <h00k> Dougipad: here, check out this sweet flash video.
[03:10] <mikeputnam> but! i'd bet as these things come and go, relational db's will eventually adopt some of the fly-by-night things
[03:10] <h00k> oh, just kidding :(
[03:10] <h00k> mikeputnam: probably, yeah.
[03:10] <Dougipad> This interface is unusable. Can't see typing and chat at sa,
[03:10] <Dougipad> Me time. Peace
[03:10] <mikeputnam> there have to be some neat ideas in there somewhere
[03:15] <douglasawh> h00k: I didn't see your responses...BECAUSE I COULDN'T SEE THE TEXT
[03:15] <douglasawh> there was an IRC app, but I never know what to put which is why I use quassel because it always has freenode defaulted in
[03:15] <twopoint718> Okay, yeah that xtranormal video gives me a headache
[03:15] <douglasawh> irc999 I believe it is called
[03:16] <h00k> douglasawh: no prob :D
[03:17] <h00k> douglasawh: my future in-laws have one too, but it's for work related things/research
[03:18] <h00k> Worst. Video. And. Or. Song. Ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
[03:18] <nickmoeck> Rebecca Black ?
[03:18] <h00k> ahahahahahahaha
[03:18] <h00k> nickmoeck: yes.
[03:18] <douglasawh> you [not coc approved] caused me to miss the goal in the Galaxy game
[03:19] <h00k> douglasawh: ! I bet there exists a replay somewhere
[03:19] <nickmoeck> from what I understand, daddy paid for someone to write the song for her to sing, etc
[03:21] <douglasawh> h00k: yeah, I saw it on the TV right after it.
[03:21] <h00k> douglasawh: see, I'm not terrible
[03:21] <h00k> nickmoeck: they *paid* someone for those lyrics
[03:22] <douglasawh> but this brings up an intesting point.  If I were to want to discuss a fatherless child or a female canine, how would I go about doing that?
[03:22] <h00k> "tomorrow is saturday, and sunday comes afterwords"
[03:22] <h00k> douglasawh: a bastard or a bitch?
[03:22] <h00k> douglasawh: in context, sure
[03:22] <nickmoeck> Or, you could, you know, just say "female canine" or "fatherless child"
[03:22] <h00k> that too, sure
[03:22] <douglasawh> ubuntulog2 you saw what h00k said, right?
[03:23] <h00k> locobot_2: what
[03:23] <douglasawh> a bastard or a bitch. shame.  He's supposed to be our moral compass
[03:23] <douglasawh> ubuntulo1 seems to be missing a 'g'
[03:23] <mikeputnam> George Carlin was our moral compass
[03:24] <h00k> George Carlin. Oh my.
[03:24] <douglasawh> IRC needs a way to fav posts, because that would be one.
[03:24] <h00k> yes
[03:24] <douglasawh> ubuntulo1 better find that 'g' before he needs to pay up or he might be missing more than that
[03:25] <h00k> we could start a quotebook or something
[03:27] <douglasawh> the coc should have like afterhours rules for LoCos
[03:27] <douglasawh> wouldn't work in a global channel for obvious reasons
[03:29] <h00k> Apparently she is 13.
[03:32] <mikeputnam> ?
[03:33] <douglasawh> who is 13?
[03:34] <mikeputnam> h00k: are you using the wrong window again?
[03:36] <h00k> mikeputnam: no...er...sorry, that girl in the video I linked
[03:36] <h00k> the terrible Friday song
[03:52] <douglasawh> gonna do updates which usually means I lose connection on natty...we shall see
[03:53] <h00k> douglasawh: good luck
[03:53] <h00k> I found a funny bug
[03:54] <h00k> douglasawh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/734865
[17:14] <h00k> hello
[23:37] <h00k> guests are deleting themselves again
[23:37] <h00k> from wedding-rsvp