| G_Unit | Hi, has anyone have any experiance on using Ubuntu 10 for a central syslog server using MySQL to log to? | 06:06 |
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| Chat6794 | hmmmm | 06:20 |
| superfly | G_Unit: nope, not specifically, but I don't imagine it to be too hard, I'm sure Google can help you out | 07:03 |
| G_Unit | that is where I need help with, if someone can point me in a direction to go look or a diff channel, it would be great | 07:06 |
| superfly | Maaz: google for Ubuntu syslog server | 07:07 |
| Maaz | superfly: "Setting Up A Central Syslog Server - Softpedia" http://news.softpedia.com/news/Setting-Up-a-Central-Syslog-Server-44063.shtml :: "How to setup syslog server in UBuntu - Techie Corner" http://www.techiecorner.com/1479/how-to-setup-syslog-server-in-ubuntu/ :: "[ubuntu] How to set up ubuntu syslog server for nexus1kv? - Ubuntu ..." http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1459762 :: "Bacon and Tech » Blog Archive » Quick Guide: Ub | 07:07 |
| superfly | Those look promising, how about trying to Google some more? | 07:07 |
| nlsthzn | Maaz is the awesome | 07:08 |
| superfly | So is Google | 07:09 |
| nlsthzn | superfly: Google is the new evil (MS has lost the crown :p) | 07:11 |
| superfly | nlsthzn: why is that? | 07:12 |
| superfly | (I would actually say that Apple is the Evil, and has always been) | 07:12 |
| Vhata | superfly: why is that? | 07:13 |
| * Vhata is intrigued by both claims | 07:13 | |
| nlsthzn | superfly: You know the saying that power corrupts right and what they say about absolute power... | 07:13 |
| superfly | Vhata: they specialise in vendor lock-in | 07:13 |
| linuxboy | superfly: and other companies don't? | 07:13 |
| superfly | linuxboy: less so | 07:13 |
| superfly | not saying no one else is doing it... just that Apple does it particularly well ;-) | 07:14 |
| Vhata | superfly: they have enabled the independent software developer like no other entity in the world | 07:14 |
| superfly | Vhata: you mean Windows has no independent developers? | 07:14 |
| Vhata | superfly: it does, but it's ridiculously hard for them to distribute their software, or receive payment for it | 07:15 |
| Vhata | in addition, Apple is singlehandedly responsible for ridding the world of DRM'd music | 07:15 |
| superfly | Vhata: the shareware world has been going strong for many years | 07:15 |
| Vhata | superfly: what does 'the shareware world' have to do with ease-of-distribution and ease-of-taking-payment? | 07:15 |
| superfly | Vhata: eh, I'm not entirely convinced about that one... though I won't discount that they had a hand in it | 07:16 |
| superfly | Vhata: apparently some people say that Windows has the easiest distribution method - just download the installer and run it | 07:17 |
| Vhata | download it from where? | 07:18 |
| Vhata | (anybody who says that has never clicked "install" on the mac store/iphone app store) (or installed anything on linux for that matter) | 07:18 |
| linuxboy | I had to give apple my credit card details before I could quickly and easily click "install" on a free app | 07:19 |
| superfly | Vhata: download it from the gazillions of shareware sites out there | 07:19 |
| linuxboy | that sort of sucked | 07:19 |
| Vhata | superfly: but which one? how do I find the app? where do I look? which app do I install, since there are gazillions of shareware sites and I have no real way of knowing which one to go to or which apps are good? | 07:20 |
| Vhata | superfly: that's exactly the point - it's impossible to get your app out there unless you go and upload it to all gazillion shareware sites or whatever, and even then, there's no real discoverability for users | 07:21 |
| Vhata | anyway, that aside, how do you take payment now? ask the user to mail you a cheque? sign up for paypal (won't work in SA)? | 07:21 |
| superfly | Vhata: do you have to pay to put an app in Apple's App Store? | 07:22 |
| superfly | and what if I don't want to use ObjectiveC? I don't have a choice | 07:22 |
| Vhata | I don't know, but I suspect you have to buy a license for the developer SDK or whatever. | 07:22 |
| Vhata | you do have a choice, you can write in a bunch of languages as far as I know | 07:22 |
| superfly | As far as I am aware, the license details were updated recently to say you can only use ObjectiveC | 07:23 |
| superfly | or something like that... it seriously cut down the number of options available | 07:23 |
| Vhata | maybe so | 07:23 |
| Vhata | anyway, I was saying that Apple had enabled the independent software developer like no other entity in the world | 07:24 |
| Vhata | pointing out flaws does not invalidate that | 07:24 |
| superfly | I don't need to buy some developer license to develop Windows apps | 07:24 |
| Vhata | no, you don't, but good luck getting anybody to use your app, or pay you for it. | 07:24 |
| superfly | I have personal experience of both | 07:25 |
| superfly | *shrug* just because there are flaws in the shareware model doesn't invalidate it | 07:25 |
| Vhata | I can't think of any "14 year old kid becomes rich from shareware game" stories | 07:26 |
| superfly | what does that have to do with anything? | 07:26 |
| Vhata | there are dozens of stories of people getting rich from making iphone apps | 07:27 |
| superfly | I'm sure I can pull out various success stories from shareware too | 07:27 |
| Vhata | I'm not sure you can | 07:27 |
| superfly | shareware is also a lot older than apple's app store, and thus these days is extremely diluted | 07:28 |
| Vhata | if we're trying to see which software channel enables the developer more, we look for which channel has produced more success stories, and it seems quite clear that it's the apple channel | 07:28 |
| linuxboy | Duke Nukem Forevers failure was due to the success of shareware software | 07:28 |
| superfly | Vhata: it depends on your perspective... if you're measuring developer enablement (is that a word?) by success stories, then sure... I'm sure you can measure it other ways as well | 07:29 |
| Vhata | anyway, I'm just countering your vendor-lockin=evil argument | 07:30 |
| superfly | you could say that shareware wins because there are more windows shareware apps than currently in the app store | 07:30 |
| Vhata | I'd love to hear why nlsthzn thinks Google is the new evil | 07:30 |
| nlsthzn | Vhata: I did answer higher up :p (Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely)... Google is currently like a bulldozer... does what it wants, when it wants... This normally doesn't end well... | 07:31 |
| Vhata | so, Canonical/Ubuntu is evil? | 07:32 |
| nlsthzn | Vhata: lol, Canonical is powerfull... absolute... I don't see it (but ask many others in FOSS and they might say they are :p) | 07:33 |
| Vhata | nlsthzn: your only argument for why Google is evil is "it has power, which corrupts". Thus, anything with power must be evil. Thus, Canonical is evil. | 07:33 |
| Vhata | but "you don't see it", so you must actually have some other criterion for saying whether something is evil | 07:34 |
| Vhata | what is it? | 07:34 |
| linuxboy | Canonical just tossed out gnome-shell. They did what they want, when they want. By nlsthzn's logic they are as evil as google. | 07:34 |
| Vhata | linuxboy: that's what I'm saying | 07:34 |
| nlsthzn | I don't think doing what you want = to power which doesn't directly = "evil" ... but the more "powerful" you become the more you feel that "the rules" don't apply to you... | 07:36 |
| linuxboy | nlsthzn: have you read the google story? | 07:36 |
| nlsthzn | linuxboy: no | 07:37 |
| linuxboy | nlsthzn: do it | 07:37 |
| Vhata | nlsthzn: you're still saying that they're evil just because they have a lot of sway | 07:39 |
| Vhata | nlsthzn: yet we have cases of them using their sway like this: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jan/19/20060119-105801-2649r/ | 07:39 |
| Vhata | or using it to make sure that that band of wifi was left unlicenced | 07:39 |
| nlsthzn | sorry (natty went a bit wonky) | 07:40 |
| Vhata | I blame evil Canonical for that | 07:40 |
| nlsthzn | I think it is the revenge of RMS but hey, that's just me... | 07:41 |
| nlsthzn | (in this case it is more an issue with Empathy and typing more than one line of text for IRC actually) | 07:41 |
| nlsthzn | Vhata: Seems that my comment hit a nerve (or pet peeve) of yours, sorry about that... but I mostly say that in jest, I am very much dependent on Google for a lot of the excellent services they have freely | 07:46 |
| Vhata | why would you apologise for having an opinion? | 07:46 |
| Vhata | you didn't hit a nerve at all, I was just asking you to give evidence for your statement (just as I asked superfly to) | 07:47 |
| Vhata | I would've asked you the same if you'd said UNICEF was the new evil | 07:47 |
| nlsthzn | Vhata: k, cool... | 07:48 |
| linuxboy | nlsthzn: have you ever seen the work that google are putting into: faster internet, ipv6, web standards... the list goes on | 07:48 |
| nlsthzn | linuxboy: sure Google is doing great and awesome things... but when one entity gets to big and powerful and nothing can touch them things tend to go iffy | 07:49 |
| linuxboy | nlsthzn: are you basing this on Science? | 07:50 |
| linuxboy | nlsthzn: can you show me history that says that this will happen? | 07:50 |
| Vhata | linuxboy: nlsthzn is saying Google is the new evil because one day they are going to start doing evil things | 07:50 |
| Vhata | or, they probably are. | 07:51 |
| Vhata | we should have smothered them at birth to stop their future (probable) misdeeds! | 07:51 |
| * nlsthzn dons his prophetic robe: "Mark my words... !!" | 07:53 | |
| nlsthzn | Vhata: I get your point... and can't argue against it (well, with anything sensible)... Let us hope what I say is just silly rambling and Google stays awesome and shows the world how it should be done | 08:03 |
| Vhata | superfly: http://kevinrose.com/blogg/2011/3/14/apples-role-in-japan-during-the-tohoku-earthquake.html ;-) | 10:17 |
| superfly | Vhata: golly, that just totally makes Apple cool and unevil :-P | 10:24 |
| Vhata | I think defeating DRM and putting software and music publishing in the hands of the independent artist/developer is what does that, but helping people in the earthquake is cool too :P | 10:26 |
| drubin | Vhata: wow. | 12:07 |
| * Symmetria stares at www.myadsl.co.za and shakes his head in disbelief | 13:39 | |
| Symmetria | let me state, eduroam is in a pilot, it is not live, it is not an operational service, and that article is extremely misleading | 13:40 |
| queery | maaz, coffee on | 13:55 |
| * Maaz puts the kettle on | 13:55 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for queery! | 13:59 |
| queery | thank you maaz | 14:06 |
| queery | maaz, thank you | 14:06 |
| Maaz | queery: Sure | 14:06 |
| * Symmetria seethes | 14:20 | |
| Symmetria | I swear, microsoft needs to release windows ME for cisco routers, they will be more stable running that :P | 14:20 |
| * Symmetria hates | 14:20 | |
| * inetpro wonders why many youtube videos have turned red these days | 19:51 | |
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