[06:06] Hi, has anyone have any experiance on using Ubuntu 10 for a central syslog server using MySQL to log to? [06:20] hmmmm [07:03] G_Unit: nope, not specifically, but I don't imagine it to be too hard, I'm sure Google can help you out [07:06] that is where I need help with, if someone can point me in a direction to go look or a diff channel, it would be great [07:07] Maaz: google for Ubuntu syslog server [07:07] superfly: "Setting Up A Central Syslog Server - Softpedia" http://news.softpedia.com/news/Setting-Up-a-Central-Syslog-Server-44063.shtml :: "How to setup syslog server in UBuntu - Techie Corner" http://www.techiecorner.com/1479/how-to-setup-syslog-server-in-ubuntu/ :: "[ubuntu] How to set up ubuntu syslog server for nexus1kv? - Ubuntu ..." http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1459762 :: "Bacon and Tech » Blog Archive » Quick Guide: Ub [07:07] Those look promising, how about trying to Google some more? [07:08] Maaz is the awesome [07:09] So is Google [07:11] superfly: Google is the new evil (MS has lost the crown :p) [07:12] nlsthzn: why is that? [07:12] (I would actually say that Apple is the Evil, and has always been) [07:13] superfly: why is that? [07:13] * Vhata is intrigued by both claims [07:13] superfly: You know the saying that power corrupts right and what they say about absolute power... [07:13] Vhata: they specialise in vendor lock-in [07:13] superfly: and other companies don't? [07:13] linuxboy: less so [07:14] not saying no one else is doing it... just that Apple does it particularly well ;-) [07:14] superfly: they have enabled the independent software developer like no other entity in the world [07:14] Vhata: you mean Windows has no independent developers? [07:15] superfly: it does, but it's ridiculously hard for them to distribute their software, or receive payment for it [07:15] in addition, Apple is singlehandedly responsible for ridding the world of DRM'd music [07:15] Vhata: the shareware world has been going strong for many years [07:15] superfly: what does 'the shareware world' have to do with ease-of-distribution and ease-of-taking-payment? [07:16] Vhata: eh, I'm not entirely convinced about that one... though I won't discount that they had a hand in it [07:17] Vhata: apparently some people say that Windows has the easiest distribution method - just download the installer and run it [07:18] download it from where? [07:18] (anybody who says that has never clicked "install" on the mac store/iphone app store) (or installed anything on linux for that matter) [07:19] I had to give apple my credit card details before I could quickly and easily click "install" on a free app [07:19] Vhata: download it from the gazillions of shareware sites out there [07:19] that sort of sucked [07:20] superfly: but which one? how do I find the app? where do I look? which app do I install, since there are gazillions of shareware sites and I have no real way of knowing which one to go to or which apps are good? [07:21] superfly: that's exactly the point - it's impossible to get your app out there unless you go and upload it to all gazillion shareware sites or whatever, and even then, there's no real discoverability for users [07:21] anyway, that aside, how do you take payment now? ask the user to mail you a cheque? sign up for paypal (won't work in SA)? [07:22] Vhata: do you have to pay to put an app in Apple's App Store? [07:22] and what if I don't want to use ObjectiveC? I don't have a choice [07:22] I don't know, but I suspect you have to buy a license for the developer SDK or whatever. [07:22] you do have a choice, you can write in a bunch of languages as far as I know [07:23] As far as I am aware, the license details were updated recently to say you can only use ObjectiveC [07:23] or something like that... it seriously cut down the number of options available [07:23] maybe so [07:24] anyway, I was saying that Apple had enabled the independent software developer like no other entity in the world [07:24] pointing out flaws does not invalidate that [07:24] I don't need to buy some developer license to develop Windows apps [07:24] no, you don't, but good luck getting anybody to use your app, or pay you for it. [07:25] I have personal experience of both [07:25] *shrug* just because there are flaws in the shareware model doesn't invalidate it [07:26] I can't think of any "14 year old kid becomes rich from shareware game" stories [07:26] what does that have to do with anything? [07:27] there are dozens of stories of people getting rich from making iphone apps [07:27] I'm sure I can pull out various success stories from shareware too [07:27] I'm not sure you can [07:28] shareware is also a lot older than apple's app store, and thus these days is extremely diluted [07:28] if we're trying to see which software channel enables the developer more, we look for which channel has produced more success stories, and it seems quite clear that it's the apple channel [07:28] Duke Nukem Forevers failure was due to the success of shareware software [07:29] Vhata: it depends on your perspective... if you're measuring developer enablement (is that a word?) by success stories, then sure... I'm sure you can measure it other ways as well [07:30] anyway, I'm just countering your vendor-lockin=evil argument [07:30] you could say that shareware wins because there are more windows shareware apps than currently in the app store [07:30] I'd love to hear why nlsthzn thinks Google is the new evil [07:31] Vhata: I did answer higher up :p (Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely)... Google is currently like a bulldozer... does what it wants, when it wants... This normally doesn't end well... [07:32] so, Canonical/Ubuntu is evil? [07:33] Vhata: lol, Canonical is powerfull... absolute... I don't see it (but ask many others in FOSS and they might say they are :p) [07:33] nlsthzn: your only argument for why Google is evil is "it has power, which corrupts". Thus, anything with power must be evil. Thus, Canonical is evil. [07:34] but "you don't see it", so you must actually have some other criterion for saying whether something is evil [07:34] what is it? [07:34] Canonical just tossed out gnome-shell. They did what they want, when they want. By nlsthzn's logic they are as evil as google. [07:34] linuxboy: that's what I'm saying [07:36] I don't think doing what you want = to power which doesn't directly = "evil" ... but the more "powerful" you become the more you feel that "the rules" don't apply to you... [07:36] nlsthzn: have you read the google story? [07:37] linuxboy: no [07:37] nlsthzn: do it [07:39] nlsthzn: you're still saying that they're evil just because they have a lot of sway [07:39] nlsthzn: yet we have cases of them using their sway like this: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jan/19/20060119-105801-2649r/ [07:39] or using it to make sure that that band of wifi was left unlicenced [07:40] sorry (natty went a bit wonky) [07:40] I blame evil Canonical for that [07:41] I think it is the revenge of RMS but hey, that's just me... [07:41] (in this case it is more an issue with Empathy and typing more than one line of text for IRC actually) [07:46] Vhata: Seems that my comment hit a nerve (or pet peeve) of yours, sorry about that... but I mostly say that in jest, I am very much dependent on Google for a lot of the excellent services they have freely [07:46] why would you apologise for having an opinion? [07:47] you didn't hit a nerve at all, I was just asking you to give evidence for your statement (just as I asked superfly to) [07:47] I would've asked you the same if you'd said UNICEF was the new evil [07:48] Vhata: k, cool... [07:48] nlsthzn: have you ever seen the work that google are putting into: faster internet, ipv6, web standards... the list goes on [07:49] linuxboy: sure Google is doing great and awesome things... but when one entity gets to big and powerful and nothing can touch them things tend to go iffy [07:50] nlsthzn: are you basing this on Science? [07:50] nlsthzn: can you show me history that says that this will happen? [07:50] linuxboy: nlsthzn is saying Google is the new evil because one day they are going to start doing evil things [07:51] or, they probably are. [07:51] we should have smothered them at birth to stop their future (probable) misdeeds! [07:53] * nlsthzn dons his prophetic robe: "Mark my words... !!" [08:03] Vhata: I get your point... and can't argue against it (well, with anything sensible)... Let us hope what I say is just silly rambling and Google stays awesome and shows the world how it should be done [10:17] superfly: http://kevinrose.com/blogg/2011/3/14/apples-role-in-japan-during-the-tohoku-earthquake.html ;-) [10:24] Vhata: golly, that just totally makes Apple cool and unevil :-P [10:26] I think defeating DRM and putting software and music publishing in the hands of the independent artist/developer is what does that, but helping people in the earthquake is cool too :P [12:07] Vhata: wow. [13:39] * Symmetria stares at www.myadsl.co.za and shakes his head in disbelief [13:40] let me state, eduroam is in a pilot, it is not live, it is not an operational service, and that article is extremely misleading [13:55] maaz, coffee on [13:55] * Maaz puts the kettle on [13:59] Coffee's ready for queery! [14:06] thank you maaz [14:06] maaz, thank you [14:06] queery: Sure [14:20] * Symmetria seethes [14:20] I swear, microsoft needs to release windows ME for cisco routers, they will be more stable running that :P [14:20] * Symmetria hates [19:51] * inetpro wonders why many youtube videos have turned red these days