[06:06] <G_Unit> Hi, has anyone have any experiance on using Ubuntu 10 for a central syslog server using MySQL to log to?
[06:20] <Chat6794> hmmmm
[07:03] <superfly> G_Unit: nope, not specifically, but I don't imagine it to be too hard, I'm sure Google can help you out
[07:06] <G_Unit> that is where I need help with, if someone can point me in a direction to go look or a diff channel, it would be great
[07:07] <superfly> Maaz: google for Ubuntu syslog server
[07:07] <Maaz> superfly: "Setting Up A Central Syslog Server - Softpedia" http://news.softpedia.com/news/Setting-Up-a-Central-Syslog-Server-44063.shtml :: "How to setup syslog server in UBuntu - Techie Corner" http://www.techiecorner.com/1479/how-to-setup-syslog-server-in-ubuntu/ :: "[ubuntu] How to set up ubuntu syslog server for nexus1kv? - Ubuntu ..." http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1459762 :: "Bacon and Tech » Blog Archive » Quick Guide: Ub
[07:07] <superfly> Those look promising, how about trying to Google some more?
[07:08] <nlsthzn> Maaz is the awesome
[07:09] <superfly> So is Google
[07:11] <nlsthzn> superfly: Google is the new evil (MS has lost the crown :p)
[07:12] <superfly> nlsthzn: why is that?
[07:12] <superfly> (I would actually say that Apple is the Evil, and has always been)
[07:13] <Vhata> superfly: why is that?
[07:13]  * Vhata is intrigued by both claims
[07:13] <nlsthzn> superfly: You know the saying that power corrupts right and what they say about absolute power...
[07:13] <superfly> Vhata: they specialise in vendor lock-in
[07:13] <linuxboy> superfly: and other companies don't?
[07:13] <superfly> linuxboy: less so
[07:14] <superfly> not saying no one else is doing it... just that Apple does it particularly well ;-)
[07:14] <Vhata> superfly: they have enabled the independent software developer like no other entity in the world
[07:14] <superfly> Vhata: you mean Windows has no independent developers?
[07:15] <Vhata> superfly: it does, but it's ridiculously hard for them to distribute their software, or receive payment for it
[07:15] <Vhata> in addition, Apple is singlehandedly responsible for ridding the world of DRM'd music
[07:15] <superfly> Vhata: the shareware world has been going strong for many years
[07:15] <Vhata> superfly: what does 'the shareware world' have to do with ease-of-distribution and ease-of-taking-payment?
[07:16] <superfly> Vhata: eh, I'm not entirely convinced about that one... though I won't discount that they had a hand in it
[07:17] <superfly> Vhata: apparently some people say that Windows has the easiest distribution method - just download the installer and run it
[07:18] <Vhata> download it from where?
[07:18] <Vhata> (anybody who says that has never clicked "install" on the mac store/iphone app store)  (or installed anything on linux for that matter)
[07:19] <linuxboy> I had to give apple my credit card details before I could quickly and easily click "install" on a free app
[07:19] <superfly> Vhata: download it from the gazillions of shareware sites out there
[07:19] <linuxboy> that sort of sucked
[07:20] <Vhata> superfly: but which one?  how do I find the app?  where do I look?  which app do I install, since there are gazillions of shareware sites and I have no real way of knowing which one to go to or which apps are good?
[07:21] <Vhata> superfly: that's exactly the point - it's impossible to get your app out there unless you go and upload it to all gazillion shareware sites or whatever, and even then, there's no real discoverability for users
[07:21] <Vhata> anyway, that aside, how do you take payment now?   ask the user to mail you a cheque?  sign up for paypal (won't work in SA)?
[07:22] <superfly> Vhata: do you have to pay to put an app in Apple's App Store?
[07:22] <superfly> and what if I don't want to use ObjectiveC? I don't have a choice
[07:22] <Vhata> I don't know, but I suspect you have to buy a license for the developer SDK or whatever.
[07:22] <Vhata> you do have a choice, you can write in a bunch of languages as far as I know
[07:23] <superfly> As far as I am aware, the license details were updated recently to say you can only use ObjectiveC
[07:23] <superfly> or something like that... it seriously cut down the number of options available
[07:23] <Vhata> maybe so
[07:24] <Vhata> anyway, I was saying that Apple had enabled the independent software developer like no other entity in the world
[07:24] <Vhata> pointing out flaws does not invalidate that
[07:24] <superfly> I don't need to buy some developer license to develop Windows apps
[07:24] <Vhata> no, you don't, but good luck getting anybody to use your app, or pay you for it.
[07:25] <superfly> I have personal experience of both
[07:25] <superfly> *shrug* just because there are flaws in the shareware model doesn't invalidate it
[07:26] <Vhata> I can't think of any "14 year old kid becomes rich from shareware game" stories
[07:26] <superfly> what does that have to do with anything?
[07:27] <Vhata> there are dozens of stories of people getting rich from making iphone apps
[07:27] <superfly> I'm sure I can pull out various success stories from shareware too
[07:27] <Vhata> I'm not sure you can
[07:28] <superfly> shareware is also a lot older than apple's app store, and thus these days is extremely diluted
[07:28] <Vhata> if we're trying to see which software channel enables the developer more, we look for which channel has produced more success stories, and it seems quite clear that it's the apple channel
[07:28] <linuxboy> Duke Nukem Forevers failure was due to the success of shareware software
[07:29] <superfly> Vhata: it depends on your perspective... if you're measuring developer enablement (is that a word?) by success stories, then sure... I'm sure you can measure it other ways as well
[07:30] <Vhata> anyway, I'm just countering your vendor-lockin=evil argument
[07:30] <superfly> you could say that shareware wins because there are more windows shareware apps than currently in the app store
[07:30] <Vhata> I'd love to hear why nlsthzn thinks Google is the new evil
[07:31] <nlsthzn> Vhata: I did answer higher up :p (Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely)... Google is currently like a bulldozer... does what it wants, when it wants... This normally doesn't end well...
[07:32] <Vhata> so, Canonical/Ubuntu is evil?
[07:33] <nlsthzn> Vhata: lol, Canonical is powerfull... absolute... I don't see it (but ask many others in FOSS and they might say they are :p)
[07:33] <Vhata> nlsthzn: your only argument for why Google is evil is "it has power, which corrupts".  Thus, anything with power must be evil.  Thus, Canonical is evil.
[07:34] <Vhata> but "you don't see it", so you must actually have some other criterion for saying whether something is evil
[07:34] <Vhata> what is it?
[07:34] <linuxboy> Canonical just tossed out gnome-shell. They did what they want, when they want. By nlsthzn's logic they are as evil as google.
[07:34] <Vhata> linuxboy: that's what I'm saying
[07:36] <nlsthzn> I don't think doing what you want = to power which doesn't directly = "evil" ... but the more "powerful" you become the more you feel that "the rules" don't apply to you...
[07:36] <linuxboy> nlsthzn: have you read the google story?
[07:37] <nlsthzn> linuxboy: no
[07:37] <linuxboy> nlsthzn: do it
[07:39] <Vhata> nlsthzn: you're still saying that they're evil just because they have a lot of sway
[07:39] <Vhata> nlsthzn: yet we have cases of them using their sway like this:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jan/19/20060119-105801-2649r/
[07:39] <Vhata> or using it to make sure that that band of wifi was left unlicenced
[07:40] <nlsthzn> sorry (natty went a bit wonky)
[07:40] <Vhata> I blame evil Canonical for that
[07:41] <nlsthzn> I think it is the revenge of RMS but hey, that's just me...
[07:41] <nlsthzn> (in this case it is more an issue with Empathy and typing more than one line of text for IRC actually)
[07:46] <nlsthzn> Vhata: Seems that my comment hit a nerve (or pet peeve) of yours, sorry about that... but I mostly say that in jest, I am very much dependent on Google for a lot of the excellent services they have freely
[07:46] <Vhata> why would you apologise for having an opinion?
[07:47] <Vhata> you didn't hit a nerve at all, I was just asking you to give evidence for your statement (just as I asked superfly to)
[07:47] <Vhata> I would've asked you the same if you'd said UNICEF was the new evil
[07:48] <nlsthzn> Vhata: k, cool...
[07:48] <linuxboy> nlsthzn: have you ever seen the work that google are putting into: faster internet, ipv6, web standards... the list goes on
[07:49] <nlsthzn> linuxboy: sure Google is doing great and awesome things... but when one entity gets to big and powerful and nothing can touch them things tend to go iffy
[07:50] <linuxboy> nlsthzn: are you basing this on Science?
[07:50] <linuxboy> nlsthzn: can you show me history that says that this will happen?
[07:50] <Vhata> linuxboy: nlsthzn is saying Google is the new evil because one day they are going to start doing evil things
[07:51] <Vhata> or, they probably are.
[07:51] <Vhata> we should have smothered them at birth to stop their future (probable) misdeeds!
[07:53]  * nlsthzn dons his prophetic robe: "Mark my words... !!"
[08:03] <nlsthzn> Vhata: I get your point... and can't argue against it (well, with anything sensible)... Let us hope what I say is just silly rambling and Google stays awesome and shows the world how it should be done
[10:17] <Vhata> superfly: http://kevinrose.com/blogg/2011/3/14/apples-role-in-japan-during-the-tohoku-earthquake.html  ;-)
[10:24] <superfly> Vhata: golly, that just totally makes Apple cool and unevil :-P
[10:26] <Vhata> I think defeating DRM and putting software and music publishing in the hands of the independent artist/developer is what does that, but helping people in the earthquake is cool too :P
[12:07] <drubin> Vhata: wow.
[13:39]  * Symmetria stares at www.myadsl.co.za and shakes his head in disbelief
[13:40] <Symmetria> let me state, eduroam is in a pilot, it is not live, it is not an operational service, and that article is extremely misleading 
[13:55] <queery> maaz, coffee on
[13:55]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[13:59] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery!
[14:06] <queery> thank you maaz
[14:06] <queery> maaz, thank you
[14:06] <Maaz> queery: Sure
[14:20]  * Symmetria seethes
[14:20] <Symmetria> I swear, microsoft needs to release windows ME for cisco routers, they will be more stable running that :P
[14:20]  * Symmetria hates
[19:51]  * inetpro wonders why many youtube videos have turned red these days