[00:46] <jjesse> question:  does the locale i select in the install (time zone/keyboard) information carry over to Country/Region settings in System Setttings?  That is country, languages, money, calendar, etc?  or does it default to United States??
[01:22] <jjesse> what version of firefox is shipping in ubuntu?
[01:26] <c2tarun> Good Morning :)
[01:29] <jjesse> or late evening :)
[01:31] <yofel> jjesse: 3.6.15 in stable, 4.0~rc1 in natty
[01:31] <jjesse> yofel thanks :)
[01:31] <jjesse> for firefox or libreoffice?
[01:31] <yofel> firefox
[01:31] <yofel> tip: use 'rmadison firefox' :P
[01:33] <jjesse> ok thanks
[03:23] <shadeslayer> morning
[03:37] <yofel> morning shadeslayer, and I'm off to bed :P
[08:25] <c2tarun> when can I be the member of the team kubuntu members?
[08:37] <valorie> c2tarun: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Membership
[08:38] <c2tarun> valorie, it says nxt meeting is in jan, page is not updated. :/
[08:38] <valorie> right, read that page thoroughly
[08:38] <valorie> once you are ready, the steps are there to get a meeting called to consider your membership
[08:39] <valorie> page will be updated when the next candidate updates it
[08:39] <valorie> :-)
[08:40] <c2tarun> valorie, I am not sure I m ready or not :/ can you please take a look at my LP page and tell whether I am ready not :) https://launchpad.net/~c2tarun
[08:41] <valorie> that's a Launchpad page
[08:42] <valorie> you need to make a wiki page
[08:42] <valorie> right there in the wiki
[08:42] <valorie> it's important to learn how to do things like that, since we do some of our process documentation in the wiki
[08:43] <valorie> you are very energetic and persistent, I've noticed
[08:43] <valorie> admirable qualities
[09:03] <bambee> morning
[09:24] <c2tarun> valorie, what should I write in my contributions section?
[09:25] <c2tarun> I mean how can I get the list of the bugs I fixed
[09:27] <valorie> I think your launchpad will have that list
[09:27] <valorie> you can list a few you are proud of, and just link to the list
[09:28] <valorie> do you participate in the community in other ways also?
[09:28] <c2tarun> valorie, nope :( I mostly solved ftbfs and update bugs.
[09:29] <c2tarun> valorie, BTW what other participations do you mean?
[09:34] <valorie> such as helping out in IRC, on the list or forum
[09:35] <valorie> maybe being involved in your LoCo
[09:35] <valorie> there are tons of ways to participage
[09:35] <valorie> contribute
[09:35] <valorie> I don't seem to be able to type tonight
[09:36] <c2tarun> valorie, sure :) no prob I'll see thanks :)
[09:37] <valorie> killing bugs is GREAT!
[09:37] <valorie> plus you package
[09:38] <valorie> so you do a lot
[09:38] <valorie> but don't forget the community side
[09:38] <valorie> it's fun!
[09:38] <c2tarun> sure :)
[09:38] <valorie> and people are thrilled to meet and talk with a packager
[09:38] <c2tarun> well I am just a beginner :/
[09:38] <valorie> eventually you might want to give talks
[09:39] <valorie> well, I've filed bugs
[09:39] <valorie> but never fixed one
[09:39] <c2tarun> valorie, are you MOTU or kubuntu member?
[09:39] <valorie> and asked for packages, but never wrapped one up
[09:39] <valorie> I'm a Kub. member
[09:39] <c2tarun> valorie, wow :)
[09:39] <valorie> since last year
[09:40] <valorie> but those push rights are all wasted on me
[09:40] <valorie> lol
[09:40] <c2tarun> valorie, well I think they only give rights only when they ensure that is will not be wasted :) so definetly they are not wasted on you :)
[09:41] <valorie> heh
[09:41] <valorie> well, I won't misuse them
[09:41] <dpm> apachelogger, sorry, I never came back to you when you pinged me the other day. I think it was about adding sessions to AppDeveloperWeek, but seeing that you've already added a couple, I guess that's sorted?
[09:42] <c2tarun> valorie, I'll surely look into community side participations and I'll make my wiki page :) thanks a lot
[09:43] <valorie> super!
[10:02] <bambee> Arff my karma goes down... :(
[10:02]  * bambee slaps launchpad
[11:49] <c2tarun> Riddell, that kdeedu bug, no body committed fix still on that bug. Do I have to subscribe any team for that?
[11:51] <Riddell> c2tarun: no you have to poke us into uploading it
[11:51] <Riddell> what's the bug number again?
[11:51] <c2tarun> Riddell, bug 683439
[11:55] <Riddell> c2tarun: groovy, uploaded
[11:55] <c2tarun> Riddell, thanks :)
[11:58]  * c2tarun looking for packaging related bugs in kubuntu-bugs, if anyone knows any bug please ping me. Thank you
[12:01] <apachelogger> darts vader
[12:04] <Riddell> c2tarun: there's a new amarok beta if you want a challenge
[12:04] <c2tarun> Riddell, what is it?
[12:05] <Riddell> what's amarok?
[12:06] <c2tarun> yup
[12:07] <c2tarun> I mean its a player. Where can I get more information about new beta announcements?
[12:07] <Riddell> oh, phwe
[12:07] <Riddell> phew
[12:07] <Riddell> starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/amarok-2.4.0.90.tar.bz2
[12:07] <Riddell> starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/secret/amarok-2.4.0.90.tar.bz2
[12:08] <c2tarun> well I dont have permission to access that :|
[12:09] <Riddell> hmm
[12:09] <Riddell> c2tarun: try now
[12:09] <c2tarun> Riddell,  its started :)
[12:13] <c2tarun> Riddell, is that ec2 machine I used yesterday still running?
[12:13] <shadeslayer> hahah
[12:14] <shadeslayer> Starsky and Hutch
[12:14] <Riddell> c2tarun: no, although I can start another one if needed
[12:15] <c2tarun> Riddell, sure :) I am getting an awful speed of 8Kb/s here :(
[12:16] <shadeslayer> Interwebz in india sure does suck
[12:16] <c2tarun> shadeslayer, and I am at home now :( using BSNL limited connection. it really sucks ;'(
[12:17] <shadeslayer> yeah ... i know
[12:18]  * c2tarun its holi coming I was wondering who else on this channel is going to celebrate? o/
[12:18] <Riddell> c2tarun: ubuntu@ec2-50-16-130-68.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[12:19] <c2tarun> Riddell, thanks :)
[12:26] <shadeslayer> DERP
[12:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you should have stayed till holi
[12:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what happens then?
[12:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holi_celebrations,_Pushkar,_Rajasthan.jpg
[12:36] <apachelogger> :O
[12:36] <apachelogger> wicked
[12:36] <shadeslayer> At the end of the day people look like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Young_man_celebrating_Holi.JPG
[12:36] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:36] <apachelogger> also it is saint patrick's day :S
[12:36] <c2tarun> shadeslayer, they are too clean ;) wikipedia probably uploaded clean pick :P
[12:36] <shadeslayer> hahah :D
[12:36] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: probably
[12:36] <apachelogger> happy paddy's day everyone
[12:36] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: it's on Sunday right?
[12:37] <c2tarun> shadeslayer, yup
[12:37] <shadeslayer> alright
[12:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ouch, that looks painful
[12:43] <shadeslayer> what... no!!
[12:44] <shadeslayer> it's fun
[12:44] <c2tarun> Riddell, that not blood ;) that color :P
[12:44] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[12:45] <Riddell> who uses identi.ca? can someone send me a message @jriddell ?
[12:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just a quick question, does the U1 API support bookmark sync?
[12:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: done
[12:47] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[12:47] <apachelogger> technically it can replicate anything in desktopcouch
[12:47] <apachelogger> pratically half the stuff is broken 90% of the time
[12:48] <Riddell> ubuntu one supports any data structure in couchDB, but the formats have no defined stability
[12:48] <apachelogger> yay
[12:48] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:48] <apachelogger> svn segfault
[12:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: one of my friends made VLC Segfault
[12:50] <apachelogger> on windows?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> on Arch
[12:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah
[12:53] <apachelogger> see
[12:53] <apachelogger> distributions always mess with software
[12:53] <shadeslayer> mail to myowncloud away
[12:53] <apachelogger> which is a bad thing with software like vlc that targets mostly legacy systems
[12:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yofel_ you lazy people ... i'm making the announcement to kubuntu-devel
[12:53] <apachelogger> as it heavily depends on the underlying libraries and stuff to work well together
[12:54] <apachelogger> which is not always the case because distributions mess with the libraries and their versions and whatnot
[12:54] <apachelogger> ...
[12:54] <apachelogger> <3 linux
[12:54] <shadeslayer> hahah :D
[12:54] <c2tarun> Riddell, kdeedu failed. :/
[12:55] <c2tarun> I think for the same reason as koffice.
[12:57] <Riddell> c2tarun: hmm, maybe :(
[12:58] <c2tarun> Riddell, well this is rising as new FTBFS issue just like binutils-gold :/
[13:15] <Riddell> dpm: are natty translations open?
[13:15] <dpm> Riddell, yes
[13:17] <Riddell> ta
[13:31] <c2tarun> Riddell, amarok's new version failed, an source code error, may be by upstream, http://paste.kde.org/7475/
[13:35] <apachelogger> kaboom
[13:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^
[13:38] <shadeslayer> if only Amarok built in Neon
[13:38] <shadeslayer> then we could have caught this
[13:44] <Nightrose> apachelogger: please ask in the other channel - i asked for test building last night and was told it worked
[13:55] <c2tarun> Nightrose, what other channel?
[13:55] <c2tarun> I mean which other channel/
[13:56] <apachelogger> c2tarun: kde-nudists
[13:56] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:56] <c2tarun> nudist??
[13:56] <c2tarun> O_O
[13:56] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:56]  * apachelogger does not dare going in there
[13:56] <apachelogger> or else
[13:57] <apachelogger> if you know what I mean
[13:57] <c2tarun> obviously I dont know :)
[13:58]  * c2tarun anyone know what apachelogger mean?
[13:59]  * apachelogger is somewhat certain that valorie gets the drift
[14:00] <apachelogger> KRF: oh there you arec
[14:00] <apachelogger> c2tarun: KRF can halp you 
[14:00] <KRF> like the wind!
[14:00] <c2tarun> KRF, you looked at the error I got during build of amarok?
[14:01] <c2tarun> KRF, http://paste.kde.org/7475/
[14:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what do you think about a talk on wine for the DS?
[14:02] <apachelogger> oh, it is 3 already
[14:02]  * apachelogger opens a bottle of captain
[14:02] <KRF> c2tarun: what version are you trying to compile? both current git and 2.4.1b1 do not have a aboutData there
[14:03] <KRF> be sure to clean / reset your checkout
[14:03] <apachelogger> maybe we have a patch
[14:03] <KRF> your fault!
[14:03] <c2tarun> KRF, I am trying to compile amarok-2.4.0.90
[14:04] <KRF> apachelogger: btw, are you coming to that randa place again?
[14:04] <apachelogger> ./03_restricted_install.diff:+    dbusargs.append(aboutData.programName());
[14:04] <apachelogger> magic
[14:04] <KRF> or was it ruanda?
[14:04] <apachelogger> drop them patches!
[14:04] <apachelogger> kill them dead!
[14:04] <apachelogger> shoot them
[14:04] <apachelogger> KRF: randa
[14:04] <apachelogger> yes
[14:04] <apachelogger> I have to attend
[14:04] <apachelogger> *have to*
[14:04] <KRF> i think ruanda is a bit more off
[14:04] <KRF> okay
[14:05] <apachelogger> c2tarun: fakeroot make -f debian/rules clean
[14:05] <apachelogger> quilt pop -a
[14:05] <c2tarun> apachelogger, I think the error is due to a patch 03_restricted_install.diff what should I do?
[14:05] <apachelogger> quilt rm 03_restricted_install.diff
[14:05] <apachelogger> or maybe it was delete rather than rm
[14:05] <apachelogger> then try again
[14:05] <c2tarun> I can remove the patch manually.
[14:06] <apachelogger> let quilt do it
[14:06] <apachelogger> much safer
[14:06] <apachelogger> c2tarun: also don't forget to add a changelog entry about it :)
[14:06] <c2tarun> apachelogger, sure :)
[14:07] <apachelogger> rationale for dropping the patch: phonon-gstreamer which is default in natty installs codecs on demand
[14:07] <apachelogger> KRF: btw, does amarok still have the codec install plugin thing?
[14:07] <KRF> uhm, no idea
[14:07] <apachelogger> hm hmm
[14:07] <apachelogger> actually
[14:07] <apachelogger> c2tarun: you might want to wait
[14:07] <c2tarun> apachelogger, another prob, the patch on top is 14_soundmenu_fix_desktop_file_path.diff not 03_rest*
[14:08] <apachelogger> there is more implications
[14:08] <apachelogger> c2tarun: that is why you should first quilt pop -a and then quilt delete
[14:08] <apachelogger> then quilt takes care of the mumbo jumbo
[14:08] <c2tarun> apachelogger, ok, what complications are u talking about?
[14:09] <apachelogger> KRF: there is a genuine user experience problem with amarok only adding files that phonon supports to the database IMHO
[14:09] <KRF> ./src/EngineController.cpp:277:EngineController::installDistroCodec()
[14:09] <KRF> ./src/EngineController.cpp-278-{
[14:09] <KRF> ./src/EngineController.cpp:279:    KService::List services = KServiceTypeTrader::self()->query( "Amarok/CodecInstall"
[14:09] <apachelogger> ah, groovy
[14:09] <apachelogger> c2tarun: amarok not actually adding stuff phonon does not support at the time of scanning
[14:09] <apachelogger> so
[14:09] <apachelogger> user installs
[14:09] <apachelogger> starts amarok
[14:09] <apachelogger> amarok shows notification about not being able to play mp3
[14:10] <apachelogger> now amarok scans music
[14:10] <apachelogger> and comes up with an empty database
[14:10] <apachelogger> the user is now screwed(tm)
[14:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[14:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: why did we drop the codecinstall thing?
[14:11] <Riddell> what what?
[14:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: in earlier versions of Kubuntu we had this nice codec installer, which is tightly integrated into amarok
[14:13] <apachelogger> IIRC when amarok starts and detects no mp3 support it looks for such a codecinstaller and adds a button to install mp3 support to the notification it displays
[14:13] <apachelogger> seems like a much better solution than us calling out to dbus and triggering a system notification
[14:13] <Riddell> the only thing we've had for ages is the kubuntu/03_restricted_install.diff patch which calls kubuntu-notifications-helper on startup
[14:14] <Riddell> now there's the phonon install too
[14:14] <c2tarun> Riddell, so do we need kubuntu/03_rest.....diff now?
[14:15] <c2tarun> Riddell, that patch is creating problem in building of amarok's latest version.
[14:18] <yofel_> shadeslayer: sorry, I forgot about that :(
[14:18] <shadeslayer> yofel_: yeah i've posted now :P
[14:18] <Riddell> c2tarun: depends on how much we trust phonon
[14:18] <shadeslayer> i get all the beer now
[14:19] <shadeslayer> muwhahaha
[14:19] <Riddell> could also just replace  dbusargs.append(aboutData.programName());  with  dbusargs.append("amarok");
[14:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: phonon install does not help with Amarok though ... the collection scanner is mimetype sensitive, meaning it will only scan what phonon reports as supported
[14:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is a faulty change
[14:19] <apachelogger> it removes the possibility of localization
[14:19] <apachelogger> which is why it uses aboutdata to begin with
[14:20] <apachelogger> either the patch needs to grab the globabl kaboutdata object or find another way to get the local instance of it
[14:20] <Riddell> oh right enough
[14:21] <Riddell> then add a  KAboutData aboutData = KGlobal::mainComponent().aboutData();
[14:22] <Riddell> c2tarun: do you know how to edit patches?
[14:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/amarok-promo/2006-May/000022.html
[14:22] <c2tarun> Riddell, yup I think,
[14:22] <apachelogger> you even got cc'd :P
[14:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: this was many moons ago, KDE 4.0 happened since
[14:23] <c2tarun> Riddell, i'll remove all patches and then keep on pushing them one by one until 03_rest* comes at top and then I'll edit the file and refresh it :) am I right?
[14:23] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes that's right
[14:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, but apparently the new enginecontroller still supports it
[14:24] <steveire> Any idea when is the next kubuntu meeting?
[14:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/581599/
[14:25] <apachelogger> steveire: when there arises need for one
[14:25] <apachelogger> steveire: what's up?
[14:25] <steveire> Investigating kubuntu membership
[14:25] <c2tarun> Riddell, just making sure, I have to add KAboutData aboutData = KGlobal::mainComponent().aboutData(); in file App.cpp just above the line using aboutData
[14:26] <Riddell> c2tarun: it will also need a  #include <KAboutData>
[14:26] <apachelogger> steveire: ah, groovy, if you feel ready just add yourself to the meeting page and find someone to organize the meeting :)
[14:26] <c2tarun> Riddell, ok
[14:26] <apachelogger> probably also KComponentData
[14:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think .aboutData() returns a ptr btw
[14:27] <Riddell> oh, pointers, c++ is so evil
[14:27] <Riddell> KAboutData* aboutData = KGlobal::mainComponent().aboutData();  then
[14:28] <c2tarun> so the line becomes KAboutData *aboutData = KGlobal::mainComponent().aboutData()
[14:28] <c2tarun> ok got it
[14:28] <c2tarun> and what about KComponentData? do I have to include it as well?
[14:29]  * c2tarun header files seems to follow gramatical order, should I preserve that order?
[14:29] <c2tarun> Riddell, ^^\
[14:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: lazy? lol school
[14:29] <Quintasan> thx
[14:30] <shadeslayer> s/school/lazy
[14:30] <Quintasan> can't do much when I'm stuffed with homework
[14:30] <steveire> I tried to add it and got a internal server error
[14:31] <Riddell> steveire: reload the page, it should have saved, just wiki being rubbish
[14:32] <c2tarun> Riddell, if aboutData is a pointer are you sure aboutData.programName() is correct or it should be aboutData->programName()?
[14:32] <steveire> Touche. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/steveire Do I need to add more?
[14:32] <Riddell> c2tarun: that's what I copied out of src/aboutdialog/ExtendedAboutDialog.cpp
[14:33] <steveire> Would it be complex to make grantlee use launchpad for bug tracking?
[14:33] <Riddell> steveire: wiki page looks good to me
[14:33] <Riddell> steveire: it would be very easy to use launchpad
[14:34] <Riddell> just register the project and make sure bug tracking is turned on
[14:36] <c2tarun> Riddell, please look at line 91 in src/aboutdialog/ExtendedAboutDialog.cpp
[14:37] <c2tarun> I still think it should be aboutData->programName()
[14:38] <Riddell> c2tarun: try it and see
[14:39] <steveire> Hmm, that was easy...
[14:41] <c2tarun> Riddell, how can I compile that file directly?
[14:41] <apachelogger> c2tarun, Riddell: did you change the call to aboutdata itself?
[14:41] <c2tarun> apachelogger, what change?
[14:42] <apachelogger> .name() to ->name() or whatever it was called
[14:42] <c2tarun> apachelogger, yup I did that.
[14:42] <apachelogger> k
[14:42] <apachelogger> perfect :D
[14:43] <c2tarun> apachelogger, how can I compile that file directly? without doing whole debuild? (just for checking(
[14:44] <apachelogger> you cannot
[14:44] <apachelogger> c++ doesnt work that way ^^
[14:44] <tazz> ping jussi
[14:44] <tazz> oops
[14:45] <c2tarun> apachelogger, that way means? I just have to compile one cpp file. If I provide proper libraries than what problem can be?
[14:48] <c2tarun> apachelogger, ok before I start building please take a look at the patch http://paste.kde.org/7481/
[14:48] <Riddell> c2tarun: looks good, try it
[14:50]  * c2tarun building amarok
[14:54] <bambee> why don't use qdbusinterface ? (simpler and less lines)
[14:59] <Riddell> bambee: I doubt there's any paticular reason
[15:00] <c2tarun> Riddell, should I apply for kubuntu-members?
[15:01] <Riddell> c2tarun: that usually needs a couple of months of sustained and significant contributions
[15:01] <Riddell> so yes, but I think wait a bit
[15:01] <c2tarun> Riddell, sure :)
[15:02]  * Riddell fixes message indicator in choqok and enables it by default
[15:02] <c2tarun> Riddell, just curious, is my contribution significant?
[15:02] <bambee> Riddell: simplicity is not a good reason ?
[15:04] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes
[15:04]  * c2tarun good ;) I'll wait then
[15:04] <Riddell> bambee: I doubt there's any paticular reason it was done the way it has been, probably I just copied some dbus code from elsewhere
[15:05] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:05] <bambee> I was just a question don't worry ;)
[15:05] <shadeslayer> copying code ftw
[15:05] <bambee> s/I/It/
[15:05] <kubotu> bambee meant: "It was just a question don't worry ;)"
[15:05] <shadeslayer> time to study up on Model/View
[15:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: turn the sed plugin off
[15:08]  * bambee loves ask boring questions :P
[15:09] <debfx> Riddell: any news on a cmake+multiarch fix? it seems to break most of our packages
[15:10] <Riddell> debfx: I havn't even started
[15:21] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: so i hear you like Neon
[15:21] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's pretty cool. I don't have the bandwidth/time to play with neon on my computer currently, but yeah; it's cool.
[15:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: neon should get a story on http://www.ubuntu-news.org/
[15:23] <shadeslayer> and on OMGUbuntu
[15:24] <Riddell> well, not sure we want to be associated with that tabloid rag
[15:24] <shadeslayer> hahah :D
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> we already are. They did a review of alpha 3
[15:25] <shadeslayer> Kubuntu Alpha 3?
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> alpha 2, sorry
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> but yes: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/02/kubuntu-11-04-alpha-2-released/
[15:30] <c2tarun> apachelogger, got this error http://paste.kde.org/7482/ should I include const in the decalaration line?
[15:32] <c2tarun> apachelogger, or should I typecast?
[15:32] <c2tarun> Riddell, ^^
[15:35] <Riddell> add a const at a guess
[15:35] <Riddell> or rewrite Amarok in Python, that would solve the problem and make apachelogger happy
[15:36] <c2tarun> Riddell, hmm.. I'll prefer adding const, the problem is I have to start the whole build from begining :( is there any other way?
[15:36] <Riddell> c2tarun: edit, then debuild -nc
[15:38]  * c2tarun it worked :D
[15:39] <bambee> Riddell: I upgraded to natty by the way (on my ac100) , actually the base system is too unstable... so I've to wait
[15:40] <Riddell> oh well
[15:40] <bambee> I cannot start xorg for example 
[15:40] <Riddell> bambee: what needs doing to get ubuntu installed on an ac100?
[15:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: don't blame amarok for us making complicated solutions :P
[15:41] <bambee> Riddell: ac100 is a big androidphone with an internal eMMC (internal flash) fastboot as bootloader (but we can use nvidia sdk for some stuff) and the big problem is hardware => actually the kernel is built and customized by hand without an official support , this is the main problem
[15:42] <bambee> a nice thing would be have a official support for linaro
[15:45] <bambee> Riddell: actually we can find maverick preinstalled image for maverick with a customized kernel (not supported on upstream), the preinstalled image is just an armel image 
[15:45] <bambee> s/for maverick//
[15:45] <kubotu> bambee meant: "Riddell: actually we can find maverick preinstalled image  with a customized kernel (not supported on upstream), the preinstalled image is just an armel image"
[15:47] <bambee> maverick is stable, however some hardwares supports like sound, 3D, suspend, powermanagement are missing
[15:50] <bambee> to answer your question, you've just to put a preinstalled image on an SD card or usb drive, flash fastboot (using nvidia tools), and  it's done
[15:54] <Riddell> but not the preinstalled images we generate, I'd really like some hardware to test those
[15:58] <bambee> Riddell: I can give ssh accesses to some devs , however... it's not the same thing than have the hardware directly
[16:00] <Riddell> no
[16:05] <bambee> I asked on #linaro (about support)
[16:07]  * apachelogger is too stupid for autotools :/
[16:21] <bambee> well, actually not officially supported by linaro (since nvidia nor toshiba is a member) however it should work since it's a cortexA9 (we said that few days ago). About hardware ogra said there should be a lot of things improved in .36.
[16:22] <bambee> the main problem remains nvidia
[16:22] <bambee> so wait and see
[16:25] <c2tarun> Riddell, another error http://paste.kde.org/7490/
[16:29] <Riddell> c2tarun: best fix it then :)
[16:29] <Riddell> c2tarun: work out why it isn't build built, if that's the intention (it probably is) then remove it from the .install file
[16:30] <Riddell> run   dh_install --list-missing   to check for any more problems
[16:30] <Riddell> then debuild -nc to continue
[16:36]  * apachelogger wonders if he can sue google for making apachelogger cry
[16:37] <bambee> If I can help for something... highlight me ;)
[16:41] <Riddell> bambee: want to package koffice-l10n? :)
[16:50] <c2tarun> Riddell, need help :( looking why amarok_massstorage-device.so is not built, but failed to find :( can you please help a bit.
[16:51] <Riddell> c2tarun: well I think I'd start by going into the source of the old version and finding where it was build in the sources  find . -name CMakeLists.txt  | xargs grep massstorage-device
[16:51] <Riddell> which points me to src/core-impl/collections/db/sql/device/massstorage/CMakeLists.txt
[16:52] <Riddell> which has   kde4_add_plugin(amarok_massstorage-device
[16:52] <Riddell> in the new version I'd look at the same file
[16:52] <Riddell> and it says   kde4_add_plugin(amarok_device_massstorage
[16:52] <Riddell> so it has been renamed
[16:52] <Riddell> so that explains that
[16:52] <c2tarun> Riddell, thanks :) let me take a look
[16:53] <Riddell> so you want to rename the file in the .install file
[16:54] <c2tarun> sorry but what does xargs means?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: running calligra by any chance?
[16:55] <Riddell> c2tarun: it changes the output from one command into the arguments for the next
[16:57] <bambee> Riddell: sure
[16:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, I am running android
[16:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so you think
[16:58] <shadeslayer> whereas ... Android is running you!
[17:00] <apachelogger> yes
[17:00]  * apachelogger wonders why libpipeline with android toolchain decides to make a .a
[17:02] <c2tarun> Riddell, libamarokqtjson.so.1.0.0 file also missing and it is also not in previous version :/
[17:03] <Riddell> c2tarun: looks fine
[17:04] <c2tarun> looks fine means? that will not fail the build?
[17:05] <Riddell> c2tarun: right, it was previously defined in ./external/CMakeLists.txt but now isn't
[17:05] <c2tarun> Riddell, well I executed debuild -nc and it failed by missing libamarokqtjson.so.1.0.0 missing :(
[17:06] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes it's gone, so remove from the .install file
[17:06] <Riddell> and run   dh_install --list-missing   for the next issue
[17:09] <apachelogger> configure:11383: checking if libtool supports shared libraries
[17:09] <apachelogger> configure:11385: result: no
[17:09] <apachelogger> -.-
[17:09] <bambee> Riddell: back to home then I package it
[17:11] <c2tarun> Riddell, amarok_collection-playdarcollection.so missing so I looked into previous version and it was pointing to src/core-impl/collections/playdarcollection but there is no name changed or removed.
[17:12] <c2tarun> Riddell, and somehow the new one is using amarokqtjson. here is the diff b/w old and new CMakesList.txt for that folder http://paste.kde.org/7491/
[17:18] <Riddell> c2tarun: it doesn't get built before of the condition in src/core-impl/collections/CMakeLists.txt
[17:18] <c2tarun> Riddell, sorry, not getting what do you mean?
[17:21] <Riddell> src/core-impl/collections/CMakeLists.txt says it only gets built if QJSON is found but libqjson-dev isn't installed
[17:21] <Riddell> c2tarun: so you probably want to add libqjson-dev to the build-depends and rebuild 
[17:21] <Riddell> there should have been a message in the initial cmake output about that
[17:23] <c2tarun> Riddell, you mean this message http://paste.kde.org/7492/
[17:25] <c2tarun> Riddell, should there be any version associated with libqjson-dev?
[17:28] <c2tarun> Riddell, after adding libqjson-dev to builddepends I am getting kind of weird error msg http://paste.kde.org/7493/ its not something like unmet dependency.
[17:31] <yofel> c2tarun: you might want to fix koffice:
[17:31] <yofel>   koffice: Depends: kformula (>= 1:2.3.3-0ubuntu2) but 1:2.3.1-0ubuntu3 is installed.
[17:31] <yofel> kformula needs to be removed from the meta package
[17:32] <c2tarun> yofel, sure I'll do, meanwhile I am working on a amarok's new version, after this I'll surely fix koffice. Thank you
[17:32] <c2tarun> :)
[17:32] <Riddell> c2tarun: no version needed
[17:32] <c2tarun> Riddell, what about the error with dependency http://paste.kde.org/7493/
[17:32] <Riddell> c2tarun: it's missing a comma
[17:33] <Riddell> I wonder what libmygpo-qt is
[17:33]  * c2tarun oh... I am darn stupid 
[17:41] <nigelb> heh, http://www.flickr.com/photos/8748559@N04/5530955253/in/set-72157626152302813
[17:52] <apachelogger> nice booty
[17:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: halp!
[17:54] <shadeslayer> whut
[17:54]  * shadeslayer throws a life raft to apachelogger
[17:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: android is messing with my head
[17:55] <shadeslayer> that's fregl right?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what did it do nao?
[17:55] <apachelogger> /home/me/tmp/sdfsdfsdf-build-android/../sdfsdfsdf/main.cpp:9: undefined reference to `pipeline_new()'
[17:55] <c2tarun> yofel, done :)
[17:55] <shadeslayer> hah
[17:55] <shadeslayer> no piping in android for you my friend
[17:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: looks like fregl anyway
[17:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: but why!!!
[17:56] <apachelogger> this does not even make no sense
[17:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because android <3's Java
[17:56] <apachelogger> it finds the lib, it just cant find the symbol
[17:56] <apachelogger> which is all shitz
[17:56] <shadeslayer> lolz
[17:56] <apachelogger> because I compiled with exactly the same toolchain and stuff
[17:56] <shadeslayer> because it's a workaround
[17:56] <shadeslayer> O_O
[17:56] <apachelogger> why?
[17:56] <apachelogger> oh
[17:56] <apachelogger> ah
[17:56] <apachelogger> uh
[17:56] <apachelogger> eeeeeh
[17:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: android is  a workaround
[17:57] <shadeslayer> for Meego
[17:57] <apachelogger> I think I no why
[17:57] <apachelogger> C is screwing me over
[17:57] <apachelogger> ahahahaahaha
[17:57] <apachelogger> <3 extern "C"
[17:57] <apachelogger> it linx
[17:57] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:57] <apachelogger> it linx \o/
[17:58] <apachelogger> yayaaaaaa
[17:58] <shadeslayer> you mean lynx
[17:58]  * apachelogger needs to reportz bugs against libpipeline
[17:58] <apachelogger> apparently to build the androidz one needs newer config.sub and config.guess
[17:59] <apachelogger> also I'd like to note at this point that I could not remember for a billion INR what those 2 exactly do
[17:59] <apachelogger> also I'd like to note that I am rather happy about this
[17:59] <apachelogger> so
[17:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I needs a gui
[17:59] <shadeslayer> You are in a queue, please wait
[17:59] <apachelogger> I don't have time to wai!!Yaehy
[18:00]  * shadeslayer is sick
[18:00] <apachelogger> can't you just wip something up with one button that triggers something in a c++ thing?
[18:00] <apachelogger> like for all I care people can hardcore their login data
[18:00] <apachelogger> and then build
[18:00]  * apachelogger wants working solution
[18:00] <shadeslayer> you could probably whip it up faster
[18:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you overeat?
[18:00]  * apachelogger gets that alot
[18:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[18:00] <apachelogger> I haz no clues of the QML
[18:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dunno ... i've been eating at home for the past week
[18:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah i'm learning too
[18:01]  * apachelogger always falls over gluing it to C++
[18:01] <shadeslayer> so don't count on me
[18:01] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[18:01] <apachelogger> doing it in QML only is no problem
[18:01] <apachelogger> making the QML make love to my CPP is the problem
[18:01] <shadeslayer> yeah ask fregl .. he knows gluing to C++ parts
[18:01] <shadeslayer> or rather i assume he knows those parts
[18:02] <apachelogger> fregl: halp!
[18:02] <shadeslayer> okay i'm sleeping
[18:02] <shadeslayer> i don't feel good
[18:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are writing, not sleeping
[18:02] <shadeslayer> night...
[18:02] <apachelogger> nini
[18:13] <c2tarun> yofel, I fixed the prob with koffice and pushed the branch, please take a look
[18:17] <yofel> c2tarun: push to a different branch on launchpad and you didn't add a new changelog entry for your change
[18:20] <c2tarun> yofel, here https://code.launchpad.net/~c2tarun/koffice/2.3.3-new should I propose it for merging?
[18:22] <ScottK> Why don't we build QtAssistant?
[18:23] <c2tarun> yofel, what to mention in target branch when proposing for merge?
[18:23] <yofel> c2tarun: no, you edited the old changelog, revert your change and add a new ubuntu2 entry
[18:24] <yofel> c2tarun: same as last time, lp:~kubuntu-members/koffice/ubuntu
[18:29] <c2tarun> yofel, https://code.launchpad.net/~c2tarun/koffice/2.3.3-new2 here is with all the changes you told, please take a look
[18:30] <c2tarun> yofel, should I propose it for merging?
[18:30] <yofel> hm, still wrong, you didn't use bzr to rever the change bug simply edited it with dch, now the changelog date for the ubuntu1 entry is still wrong
[18:31] <yofel> and you don't need to push to a new branch every time
[18:31] <c2tarun> yofel, :| how to rever the change using bzr?
[18:32] <yofel> there was a way for that, but in this case it would be easiest to just start fresh
[18:32]  * yofel forgot how to revert commits in bzr...
[18:33]  * c2tarun starting again 
[18:35] <yofel> c2tarun: also, changelog entries are usually written as actions, meaning you write 'changing Y to X' instead of 'I changed Y to X' in the log usually
[18:36] <c2tarun> yofel, ok, so I should just write, removed kformula from koffice depends?
[18:36] <yofel> yep, that's short and tells the reader everything you did
[18:36] <yofel> c2tarun: actually, use present tense 'remove' not past tense 'removed'
[18:37] <c2tarun> yofel, sure :)
[18:38] <DarkwingDuck> oh is that how changelogs work? I normally like the more humor thing. "Yo bi**es, I make these changes yo." :P:P
[18:38] <c2tarun> :P
[18:39] <DarkwingDuck> yofel: I even used the present tense 'make' just for you. hehe
[18:39] <yofel> well, doesn't really matter I think, it's personal preference (I use present tense)
[18:39] <yofel> read some changelogs on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2011-March/date.html for example
[18:40] <c2tarun> yofel, since I started fresh, I should use a new branch name?
[18:40] <yofel> probably
[18:40] <yofel> (no idea what bzr would do in the other case)
[18:41] <c2tarun> yofel, https://code.launchpad.net/~c2tarun/koffice/2.3.3-0ubuntu2-fresh please take a look
[18:42] <yofel> that should be fine now
[18:43] <c2tarun> yofel, so I should propose for a merge?
[18:43] <yofel> yes
[18:44] <c2tarun> yofel, done :)
[18:44] <yofel> thanks
[19:14] <c2tarun> Riddell, amarok build successfully what should I write in change log? New upstream release and patch update. what else?
[19:16] <bambee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/581753/ => helper script which downloads all koffice-l10n (27 files) and tarball them automatically (orig.tar.gz) 
[19:16] <bambee> :)
[19:16] <bambee> future bumps will be faster ;)
[19:21] <c2tarun> Riddell, amarok build successfully and I signed it.
[19:34] <c2tarun> Riddell, its 1 am here, I need to go to bed, I signed the source.change file and there is an amarok.debian.diff file contains the diff b/w two debian folder. Good Night :) If any problem I'll again come in morning and then I'll try to fix it
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> ^just got an email about an upstream problem in amarok, actually
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/581758/
[19:39] <Martiini> anyone here who belongs to devel team?
[19:39] <Martiini> I have a questions
[19:39] <Martiini> question about ubuntu kernel .. kernel seems to configured not as well as some other distros
[19:41] <Martiini> I have installed .. fedora, opensuse, ubuntu ..  and .. opensuse seem have best kernel+modules .. most laptops work out-of-box with acpi modules .. etc etc
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> Kubuntu doesn't really do much at all in the way of the kernel. The folks in #ubuntu-devel would probably be of more help
[19:44] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[19:44] <_Groo_> guys can someone confirm this:
[19:44] <_Groo_> check that nepomuk and/or strigi are active in the systemsettings
[19:44] <_Groo_> open dolphin and go to the filter tab
[19:45] <_Groo_> is it greyed out?
[19:45] <yofel> Martiini: or #ubuntu-kernel since your question is kernel specific
[19:45] <yofel> _Groo_: it is once I enable it
[19:46] <_Groo_> yofel: didnt follow yofel, is greyed out or not? even with strigi/nepomuk enabled?
[19:46] <yofel> _Groo_: it is greyed out with strigi enabled
[19:46] <_Groo_> yofel: so its broken?
[19:46] <_Groo_> yofel: kubuntu specific, kde 4.6.1 specific?
[19:46] <yofel> I'm running on battery here, maybe that matters
[19:47] <yofel> _Groo_: no idea
[19:47] <yofel> I don't usually use it
[19:47] <_Groo_> yofel: no, if you enable nepomuk it should be enough, even strigi could be disabled
[19:47] <_Groo_> yofel: neither do it, not much at least, but it was SUPOSED to be enabled
[19:47] <_Groo_> yofel: something is broken
[19:48] <yofel> I did see it enabled in the past, but I have no idea since when it stopped working
[19:52] <_Groo__> someone said in kde-devel it works
[19:53] <_Groo__> maybe we forgot something in 4.6.1 that broke it?
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> lolwut @ bug 736294
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> linking problem with python?
[20:15] <_Groo__> ok, nepomuk is working, i can see that bangarang adds tags and it shows up in dolphin filter BUT its still greyed out??!!?!?
[20:18] <debfx> JontheEchidna: not exactly linking but python's dlsym() equivalent somehow fails to load symbols
[20:21] <bambee> Someone could upload this package for me ? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/koffice-l10n  thanks in advance 
[20:32] <debfx> aha
[20:33] <debfx> all related to multi-arch
[20:33] <debfx> ldconfig cache only contains lib in multi-arch paths
[20:34] <ScottK> debfx: Make sure slangasek knows about multi-arch path issues.
[20:35] <debfx> ScottK: yeah, there is already a bug assigned to him
[20:35] <ScottK> Ah.  Good.
[20:39] <_Groo__> ScottK: hey scott
[20:41] <ScottK> Hello _Groo__.
[20:41] <_Groo__> ScottK: hey hey, are you using 4.6.1?
[20:41] <ScottK> On my netbook.
[20:44] <_Groo__> ScottK: does dolphin filter window work for you? aka, are the buttons/tags greyed or not?
[20:44] <ScottK> No idea.
[20:44] <ScottK> Let me check.
[20:44] <_Groo__> ScottK: k, tks
[20:46] <ScottK> _Groo__: Is that the same as Filter Bar?
[20:46] <_Groo__> ScottK: yes, the one with tags, documents, audio, etc...
[20:46] <_Groo__> ScottK: is it greyed out?
[20:48] <ScottK> No, but mine just seems to filter on file name.
[20:48] <debfx> Riddell: I've filed bug #737137 to track the cmake multiarch issue
[20:48] <ScottK> Menu -> Tools -> Filter Bar
[20:49] <_Groo__> ScottK: no, not the filter bar
[20:49] <_Groo__> ScottK: the filter TAB
[20:49] <_Groo__> ScottK: panels -> filter
[20:49] <_Groo__> ScottK: hotkey f12
[20:50] <ScottK> Yes.  It's greyed out.
[20:50] <_Groo__> ScottK: is nepomuk working in systemsettings?
[20:51] <ScottK> Probably not.
[20:51] <ScottK> Nepomuk on a netbook is death.
[20:51] <ScottK> If it's running it's only because I made a mistake killing it off.
[20:52] <ScottK> Actually it claims it's active.
[20:52] <ScottK> Fixed that.
[20:53] <_Groo__> ScottK: its nepomukfilesearch that kills the netbook, i always disable that one service
[20:53] <_Groo__> ScottK: anyway we havea  problem
[20:53] <ScottK> OK.
[20:54] <_Groo__> ScottK: nepomuk is working, i tested with bangarang for example (and akonadi too since im using new kmail), the greyed filter tab even updated my custom tags BUT i cant click on anything
[20:54] <ScottK> Weird.
[20:54] <_Groo__> ScottK: and acording to kde-devel "its working" there
[20:54] <ScottK> Maybe something isn't installed in the location it's expected.
[20:54] <_Groo__> ScottK: i suspect something is broken in our packages but i cant pinpoint what
[20:55] <ScottK> I'm low on the list of people who would know how to help with Nepomuk problems.
[20:55] <_Groo__> ScottK: would be a good idea trying to trace that before 11.04 , no? :D
[20:55] <ScottK> The only times I've ever run it were by accident.
[20:55] <ScottK> Agreed.
[20:55] <_Groo__> ScottK: im trying to pinpoint what it is, but kde folks arent exactly jumping to help me :P
[20:56] <ScottK> I'd be glad to help if I knew anything on the topic.
[20:56] <_Groo__> ScottK: do you know some kde dev that could help me debug this? someone aproachable? in the sense of not being "its working, go away"?
[20:56] <ScottK> I bet apachelogger knows who to ask.  IIRC he's recently been involved in some Nepomonkery in Phononland.
[20:57] <_Groo__> ScottK: yeah i saw the new dependency in phonon-gstreamer ¬¬
[20:57] <_Groo__> apachelogger: poke!
[20:58] <_Groo__> ScottK: well anyway, its not just me, thats what i wanted to confirm
[20:58] <_Groo__> ScottK: another thing
[20:58] <_Groo__> ScottK: this one is more "delicate"
[20:58] <ScottK> OK
[20:59] <_Groo__> ScottK: can i propose we change the default volume mixer in 11.04 from shitty kmix to awesome veromix?
[20:59] <apachelogger> wah?
[20:59] <ScottK> _Groo__: It's after feature freeze.  We can discuss such things for 11.10.
[20:59] <_Groo__> ScottK: awwww :(
[20:59]  * apachelogger notes that kmix gets a makeover so google will
[20:59] <_Groo__> ScottK: ok then, but you guys are aware of it?
[21:00] <ScottK> I'm not.  I hadn't particularly rated kmix crappy either.
[21:00] <ScottK> Does the job for me.
[21:00] <_Groo__> apachelogger: not a question of makeover, veromix is getting VERY good, support for mpris2, full suport for pulseaudio, etc... its miles ahead of kmix
[21:00] <ScottK> Generally if we're going to deviate from KDE upstream we want it to be for a very definite reason.
[21:00] <_Groo__> ScottK: try it
[21:01] <_Groo__> ScottK: its a plasmoid made in python, so just add it
[21:01] <apachelogger> it *only* does PA
[21:01] <_Groo__> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Veromix+-+volume+control+%2B+soundmenu?content=116676
[21:01] <apachelogger> that disqualifies it from any sort of default
[21:01] <_Groo__> apachelogger: and whats the default mixer for kubuntu? isnt PA?
[21:01] <apachelogger> also it is absurdly fat
[21:01] <ScottK> I'm pretty unlikely to care.  As long as I can get my mic unmuted for Skype, I'm happy.
[21:02] <ScottK> Which is way easier in Kmix now that it used to be.
[21:02] <apachelogger> _Groo__: that does neither mean that everyone works nor that it works with every setup
[21:02] <_Groo__> apachelogger: veromix, fat??? why fat?
[21:02] <_Groo__> apachelogger: and kmix does? :D 
[21:02] <ScottK> _Groo__: You shoulnd't have mentioned Python if you wanted apachelogger's support.
[21:02] <_Groo__> apachelogger: im not saying to remove kmix, just to make veromix the default for "normal" users
[21:02] <_Groo__> ScottK: im a python fan myself :P
[21:02] <apachelogger> we are not going to have 2 mix guis
[21:03] <_Groo__> apachelogger: did you at least checked latest 0.10.1?
[21:03] <apachelogger> what for?
[21:03] <_Groo__> apachelogger: with support for players, complete support for input/output and even one request i bugged the developer a lot (put volume above 100%)
[21:03] <apachelogger> it was fat, it still is fat
[21:04] <_Groo__> apachelogger: its a plasmoid... isnt even binary, just dowload it, plasmapkg it and give it a spin
[21:04] <apachelogger> it not being binary is part of the reason why it is fat
[21:04] <apachelogger> an application that for the better part of the day just sits there doing nothing should not be fat
[21:04] <apachelogger> no
[21:04] <apachelogger> must not be fat
[21:05] <_Groo__> apachelogger: hes 8MB, kmix is 5MB!!!
[21:05] <_Groo__> apachelogger: hows that fat?
[21:05] <_Groo__> apachelogger: hes operation is smooth as silk, has much better performance then kmix IMHO
[21:05] <apachelogger> emit sigh();
[21:06] <apachelogger> _Groo__: how did you measure this?
[21:06] <_Groo__> apachelogger: just for the sake of discussion, test it pls!
[21:06] <_Groo__> apachelogger: ctrl -esc, advanced memory
[21:06] <_Groo__> kmix, veromix
[21:06] <apachelogger> well
[21:06] <apachelogger> as you said
[21:06] <apachelogger> it is a plasmoid
[21:06] <_Groo__> dont forget its a plasmoid so the gui is basically plasma-desktop itself, the only thing it does is loading python
[21:06] <apachelogger> so what you see is only the appendix of it
[21:07] <_Groo__> same for kmix :P it uses a ton of shared libs
[21:07] <apachelogger> shared libraries are part of the process
[21:07] <apachelogger> a plasmoid is part of plasma
[21:07] <_Groo__> and plasmoid using plasma-desktop api isnt part of the process?
[21:07] <apachelogger> anyhow
[21:07] <apachelogger> this discussion is pointless
[21:07] <apachelogger> it only supports PA
[21:07] <_Groo__> last ime i checked plasma-desktop is a plasmoid per se :D
[21:08] <_Groo__> apachelogger:  but PA IS the kubuntu default!
[21:08] <_Groo__> pa runs on top of alsa... 
[21:08] <_Groo__> if advanced users want to use alsa directly , just do alt-f2, kmix!
[21:08] <apachelogger> [22:02:56] <apachelogger> we are not going to have 2 mix guis
[21:09] <_Groo__> veromix has the advantage of tabs, meters, selective outputs, sinks, pipes, media player control (with covers), its almost a gnome sound clone
[21:10] <ScottK> Sounds like overkill, but then sound isn't very important to me.
[21:10] <_Groo__> apachelogger: cant you even just take a look at it you stubborn irish :D
[21:10] <ScottK> In any case, it's a discussion for the next cycle.
[21:10] <_Groo__> ScottK: yeah im discussing it for the next cicle
[21:11] <ScottK> Fix Nepomuk for this one first please.
[21:11] <apachelogger> _Groo__: I know it
[21:11] <_Groo__> i remember having a similiar discussion about rekonq last year :D
[21:11] <_Groo__> ScottK: oh yeah
[21:11] <apachelogger> # pidof vpnc                                                                                                                                                                                    
[21:11] <apachelogger> 20544
[21:11] <apachelogger> hrrrr
[21:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I haz got QVpnc on android :D
[21:12] <_Groo__> apachelogger: changing of topic... do you know of a kde developer that can help me debug why OUR dolphin filter bar is greyed out although nepomuk/strigi are working?
[21:13] <apachelogger> what filter bar?
[21:13] <_Groo__> [17:49] <_Groo__> ScottK: panels -> filter [17:49] <_Groo__> ScottK: hotkey f12
[21:14] <ScottK> _Groo__: We only picked Rekonq becaue the competition was Konqueror.  Had there been an actual browser in the running it would have one.
[21:14] <ScottK> one/won
[21:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: according to kde-devel.. its "working"
[21:14] <apachelogger> sebastian trueg or peter penz
[21:14] <apachelogger> or both of them
[21:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: aparently its specific to kubuntu
[21:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: are you sure they are aproachable?
[21:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: there was, just that no one felt like actually looking into whether it fits on the CD :P
[21:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i know trueg, i bugged him a lot about nepomuk already
[21:15] <ScottK> True.
[21:15] <apachelogger> _Groo_: sure they are, why wouldn't they be
[21:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: k, its #nepomuk channel?
[21:16] <apachelogger> for example ;)
[21:16] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you really dont wanna take a look at it? oO http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Veromix+-+volume+control+%2B+soundmenu?content=116676 ^-o
[21:16] <apachelogger> I HAVE
[21:16] <bambee> why name it veromix by the way ? 
[21:17] <_Groo_> bambee: its is mother name, veronica
[21:17] <_Groo_> bambee: seriously ive no idea :D
[21:18] <bambee> no seriously the name sucks :D
[21:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and? did you test it with amarok or clementine? it works very well :) 0.10.1 works like a charm, im testing 0.11 now...
[21:18] <bambee> what about brandamixer ? :P
[21:19] <_Groo_> bambee: well IF it would be default we could talk with the author to change it for sound mixer and leave veromix in about box... for usability sake
[21:19] <_Groo_> bambee: its python, easy to change :)
[21:19] <_Groo_> brb
[21:19] <bambee> it's mpris2 compliant ?
[21:22] <ScottK> Why does a normal user care about mpris2?
[21:25] <apachelogger> _Groo_: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot158.png
[21:25] <apachelogger> works here
[21:25] <apachelogger> bambee: otherwise it would not be able to control the players ;)
[21:26] <ScottK> Riddell: Can we promote qt-assistant-compat to main so we can build the Python bindings for it?
[21:26] <bambee> apachelogger:  w00t indeed "Media Player Controls (aka nowplaying)" => I did see that
[21:26] <bambee> I did not *
[21:29] <_Groo_> apachelogger: strange, are you using 4.6.1?
[21:30] <_Groo_> apachelogger: btw what do you mean, veromix only supports pa? he shows alsa streams just like kmix, btw kmix shows the same stuff that veromix does, kmix by default has PA enabled, to use alsa solo you need to open it with a variable
[21:30] <_Groo_> apachelogger: can you point me to an app that DOESNT show in PA or veromix?
[21:31] <_Groo_> bambee: veromix supports both mpris and mpris2
[21:32] <bambee> great :)
[21:32] <_Groo_> bambee: hes actually a pleasure to use, i dont use kmix for a very long time
[21:32] <_Groo_> bambee: with kmix its a pain to redirect sound from for ex, external to hdmi, in veromix is one dropdown box away
[21:33] <bambee> interesting...
[21:33] <_Groo_> bambee: its a plasmoid.. go play with it :P
[21:34] <_Groo_> bambee: its not like its gonna break your system or anything
[21:34] <_Groo_> bambee: you dont even need to compile it, its python, interpreted, download the .plasmoid. plasmapkg -i and be happy
[21:35] <_Groo_> bambee: also he integrates with the systray, aka it uses new systray so hes avaible in the apps settings of it.. it doesnt even need to be a separate plasmoid
[21:35] <bambee> _Groo_: I asked you these questions because there is a proposal with equivalent features for kde gsoc 
[21:35] <bambee> I am just curious
[21:35] <bambee> I will try it 
[21:35] <bambee> sure
[21:35] <ScottK> _Groo_: kmix uses the new systray too, doesn't it?
[21:36] <_Groo_> bambee: i saw it.. the guy wants to implement veromix with c++ revamp the kmix to do what veromix already does.. nothing against, but veromix is here and hes its just a proposal
[21:36] <_Groo_> ScottK: yep, go to systray settings, apps, click on veromix.. voila..
[21:36] <Riddell> ScottK: python bindings for qt-assistant-compat ?
[21:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  The QtAssistant bindings are still in PyQt4.
[21:37] <ScottK> Not building that .so is part of our diff with Debian.
[21:37] <bambee> _Groo_: they want to implement it in c++ and qml :)
[21:38] <_Groo_> bambee: like i said.. nothing against... looking forward to.. but veromix is one click away :D
[21:38] <_Groo_> bambee: competition is good and all that
[21:39] <Riddell> ScottK: moved
[21:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[21:40] <bambee> if veromix already has these features it's clear that it's useless to re-code everything from scratch I agree... however I am not the best one to talk about it
[21:40] <_Groo_> bambee: just test the damn thing
[21:41] <_Groo_> bambee: download, plasmapkg install, go to systray, enable it...
[21:41] <_Groo_> bambee: open amarok, skype, clementine, firefox with youtube, vlc... be amazed!
[21:42] <bambee> _Groo_: dude I said "I will try it", give me a sec
[21:42] <_Groo_> bambee: and he DOES show alsa streams.. dont know why apachelogger says it doesnt
[21:42] <apachelogger> alsa streams?
[21:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you said he only does PA
[21:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im not following on that one
[21:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: btw are you using 4.6.1?
[21:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: because my and ScottK dolphins are greyed out, and nepomuk is working :P
[21:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so something is strange in dolphon filter bar
[21:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: dolphin*
[21:44] <apachelogger> strigi needs to be on too
[21:44] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its on and with 14k files indexed
[21:44] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ironically if i add a tag it shows in the greyed out filter bar, i just cant click on anything
[21:44] <debfx> ScottK: is there a package actually using the QtAssistant python bindings?
[21:45] <ScottK> debfx: Hard to say, the universe of software isn't packaged.
[21:46] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok i found the bug
[21:46] <_Groo_> apachelogger: aparently filter tab is folder  specific
[21:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: you restarted all instances of dolphin I suppose?
[21:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: I had none going and I started one.
[21:46] <_Groo_> apachelogger: documents is clicable, mp3 for ex it isnt
[21:46] <debfx> luckily we don't support the whole universe ;)
[21:46] <_Groo_> apachelogger: can you create a empty folder , go there and see if the filter tab gets greyed out?
[21:47] <ScottK> debfx: Yes, but I think we ought to support it until upstream drops the class.
[21:47] <apachelogger> doesn't
[21:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: still works?
[21:48] <apachelogger> yes
[21:48] <_Groo_> apachelogger: do you have the nepomuk filewatch service active?
[21:48] <apachelogger> yes
[21:48] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ah... ScottK can you check if you have nepomuk filewatch service running? 
[21:48] <_Groo_> apachelogger: might be it
[21:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: would be bizarre but,....
[21:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: now... can you explain the "only  supports PA"? i really didnt get it that one
[21:49] <apachelogger> I don't get alsa streams
[21:54] <_Groo_> apachelogger: here http://wstaw.org/m/2011/03/17/veromix2_.png
[21:55] <_Groo_> apachelogger: now tell me if that isnt the cuttiest thing you ever seen? :)
[21:55] <_Groo_> ScottK: are you there?
[21:56] <apachelogger> _Groo_: that is still just a pulseaudio stream
[21:56] <apachelogger> originating from alsa
[21:56] <_Groo_> apachelogger: exactly.. pulse passes it when theres no specific plugin, or something in that order... so what am i mssing here?
[21:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: cause kmix needs a variable in order to be pure alsa agaim
[21:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: KMIX_PULSEAUDIO_DISABLE=1 kmix
[21:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so the kubuntu default is exactly the same thing has veromix is
[21:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and i doubt 99,999999999999999999% of the users know how to swtich it :)
[21:58] <apachelogger> ehm
[21:58] <apachelogger> pardon my language but that is bullshit
[21:58] <apachelogger> if PA is not running kmix uses alsa
[21:58] <_Groo_> apachelogger: which part? :)
[21:58] <apachelogger> if alsa is not there it will try to use oss
[21:58] <apachelogger> and so on
[21:58] <_Groo_> apachelogger: but how many users would remove PA?
[21:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and that scenario is worth loosing all the veromix advanced funcionalities?
[21:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: like single click audio switching (between internal and hdmi for ex).
[21:59] <yofel> actually several users asked in #kubuntu how to disable/remove pulse
[22:00] <yofel> so that is actually the case
[22:00] <_Groo_> yofel: and those power users dont know how to do altf2 kmix?
[22:00] <apachelogger> [22:08:54] <apachelogger> [22:02:56] <apachelogger> we are not going to have 2 mix guis
[22:00] <yofel> probably? I didn't know about that variable either until just now
[22:00] <apachelogger> _Groo_: add the features to kmix and we get it all for free
[22:01] <apachelogger> also we will get translations and documentation and QA and whatnot for free
[22:01] <_Groo_> yofel: while the vast majority would just open kubuntu and amarok and see, wow, covers in this audio mixer thingy, hmm wow, i can switch hdmi by clicking here, wow, i can control audio streams just like windows 7
[22:01] <_Groo_> apachelogger: true, but veromix is here, kmix+++++ isnt
[22:01] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im all for switching WHEN its here
[22:01]  * apachelogger is not going to stand for repating errors of the past
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> technically veromix is not "here", since you are having to ask for its inclusion
[22:01] <apachelogger> just because we are having a nerdgasm right now does not mean it is the right choice
[22:01] <yofel> _Groo_: well, I'm fine with that, as long as I can get rid of pavucontrol by you implementing that
[22:02] <_Groo_> yofel: veromix implements most if not all of pavucontrol features..., i need to see the code to check if he actuually calls it, but i dont think so
[22:03] <_Groo_> yofel: even one of my favourites, the ability to put the volume above 100% was implemented recently (i bugged the author a lot :D)
[22:03] <_Groo_> yofel: although that one its from gnome sound control i think
[22:03] <yofel> oh, with that I agree wholeheartedly :D
[22:04] <bambee> _Groo_: yeah but it does not make coffee :P
[22:04] <_Groo_> bambee: lol... neither does kmix!
[22:05]  * _Groo_ thinks that if he had started by omitting veromix is written in python, i might have had a chance :P
[22:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: cryojenx on identi.ca makes an interesting point about rekonq
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> people still microblog?
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> that is so 2010
[22:07] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: lol
[22:07] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: whats the trend for 2011?
[22:07]  * JontheEchidna shrugs
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> I came on to microblogging half a year late
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> I'll let you know in 6 months
[22:08] <_Groo_> oh btw, for the first time in a long time im gtk jealous
[22:08] <yofel> mind-communicating using meego, they just didn't implement it
[22:08] <_Groo_> that webkit backend is very cool
[22:08] <_Groo_> yofel: telepathy-mind-control-kde
[22:08] <_Groo_> hope that aseigo and friends implement one too, very soon
[22:09]  * yofel realizes he's behind the news too...
[22:09] <_Groo_> yofel: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTIyNA
[22:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^ now this is very 2010
[22:10] <apachelogger> possibly even 2009
[22:10] <yofel> yeah, they probably should create a webbrowser that behaves as a desktop, since they don't seem to have a working desktop with GTK3 currently
[22:11] <_Groo_> yofel: lol
[22:11] <_Groo_> yofel: i found it interesting when im behind a proxy and cant use port forwarding
[22:11] <_Groo_> yofel: it might has its uses
[22:11] <_Groo_> have*
[22:11] <yofel> true
[22:11] <_Groo_> anyway im a sucker for old stuff done in new ways... or the other way around
[22:12] <apachelogger> there has been a qt labs experiment on that stuff some time ago
[22:12] <apachelogger> some time > 1 year
[22:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i know, but they actually implemented the stuff
[22:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hope "our" version quicks ass
[22:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: maybe even with window borders ;) aparently they forgot that part :D
[22:13]  * apachelogger finds it unlikely there will be our version
[22:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok just to put a end to the discussion, can you admit that veromix could be  a viable default for kubuntu and that im awesome?
[22:16] <_Groo_> an irish and a portuguese debating, prolly the two most stubborn entities on the planet :D
[22:17] <bambee> lol
[22:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: dont forget my ancestors discovered a lot of stuff cause they where too stubborn to go back :D
[22:18] <_Groo_> well anyway, i need to go home
[22:18]  * apachelogger does not fee like lying :P
[22:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: LOL
[22:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: not even the awesome part?
[22:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: at least a smart minion?
[22:19] <apachelogger> _Groo_: smart you are, no doubt there
[22:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i am??? oO but but.. i dont feel smart... i.. ii.. really dont :P
[22:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: annoying... perhaps... smart... not so much :D
[22:22] <_Groo_> seeya tomorrow ppl
[22:23] <ScottK> _Groo_: Wasn't here and not with the netbook anymore.
[22:31]  * apachelogger picks his nose a bit
[22:34] <jjesse> find anything good?
[22:39] <apachelogger> depends on whether one finds spaceships good
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> http://polentino911.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/kmix-qml-applet-the-real-one/
[23:04]  * apachelogger thinks the text element on QML on android is a bit broken
[23:04] <apachelogger> actually a lot
[23:04]  * apachelogger does not see no text
[23:07] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: You know a VM that does NOT emulate hardware but, will use my video hardware?
[23:08] <apachelogger> wouldn't be very virtual then, would it? :P
[23:08] <apachelogger> don't know any
[23:09]  * apachelogger wonders how to get debug this qml mumbo jumo considering qdebug does not work and writing a file apparently does not either
[23:13] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: well, it would be better then dualbooting
[23:21]  * apachelogger throws stones at android