=== Craig_Dem_ is now known as Craig_Dem === Amaranth__ is now known as Amaranth === jjohansen1 is now known as jjohansen === deegee_ is now known as plustwo === plustwo is now known as plustwo_ === plustwo_ is now known as plustwo === plustwo is now known as deegee === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === 16SAABRMD is now known as ian_brasil === apachelogger is now known as apachelogger_ === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger__ === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger___ === apachelogger___ is now known as apachelogger === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:00] froop [15:00] mooo [15:00] #startmeeting [15:00] Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is NCommander. [15:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:01] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110317 [15:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110317 [15:02] hello [15:03] * davidm waves [15:03] [topic] Action Items [15:03] New Topic: Action Items [15:03] [topic] NCommander to build mono stack by hand and confirm 2.10 fixes mono regression [15:03] New Topic: NCommander to build mono stack by hand and confirm 2.10 fixes mono regression [15:04] Done both by builoding from source, and reusing Ubuntu binaries. Appears our regression still in 2.10 [15:04] why is it called a regression, when did it work? [15:05] janimo: it works on UMP machines. Its a regression in functinality :-P [15:05] ah, a bug :) [15:05] In truth, it only recently started working on Single Core. [15:05] that is progression then [15:05] It's only a regression if it worked before. [15:05] anyway I was curious, it may have worked while built for armv5 or something [15:05] [topic] ogra to determine if mono still crashes on tegra [15:05] New Topic: ogra to determine if mono still crashes on tegra [15:05] damn it [15:06] ops [15:06] you scared him [15:06] * NCommander waits to see if ogra returns [15:06] ogra: 11:06:05 < MootBot> New Topic: ogra to determine if mono still crashes on tegra === ogra is now known as Guest53848 === Guest53848 is now known as ogra_ [15:07] oh how i hate freenode [15:07] mono works fine [15:07] at least tomboy does, havent had time to test anything else yet [15:07] ogra_: please test with f-spot when you get a chance :-) [15:07] sure [15:07] Tomboy has always worked. Not a valid test. [15:08] valid for the above task :P [15:08] mono doesnt crash :P [15:08] No it isn't. [15:08] Tomboy works on panda too. Not a valid test. [15:08] the task doesnt talk about which apps :P [15:09] anyway, move on, i'll test f-spot [15:09] [topic] Standing Items [15:09] New Topic: Standing Items [15:10] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [15:10] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [15:10] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html [15:10] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html [15:10] beta-1 should look better soon [15:10] I moved by gles WI to beta 2, as there's nothing I can do about it [15:10] need to wait linaro work and see if it'll be possible to hit the archive [15:11] Beta 2? [15:11] but probably something to be postponed soon, if no good progress is made [15:11] yep [15:11] ENO Beta 2 on my schedule. [15:11] sure there is [15:11] GrueMaster: beta 2 is the new RC [15:12] there is no milestone in the WI tracker though [15:12] neither a RC one [15:12] Hmmm. Must have changed just after I posted teh schedule on my wall. [15:12] april 14th [15:13] Ah, ok. [15:13] there is a releaseCandidate milestone on the schedule [15:13] just no image it seems [15:13] (april 21st) [15:14] anyway, nothing to see, if the gles stuff moves we look quite fine [15:14] NCommander, move ? [15:14] [topic] Unity 2D Status [15:14] New Topic: Unity 2D Status [15:14] weird :) [15:14] I'll add the headless images to the iso tracker during the next milestone testing (next week). [15:15] uploaded latest trunk this week and we found a very very strange bug [15:15] number? [15:15] or not reported yet? [15:15] not reported, upstream works on it actively [15:15] oh, ok [15:15] if you build locally the icon backgrounds are properly colored [15:16] if you use the package from the archive they are grey [15:16] hm, weir [15:16] weird [15:16] the source is identical, the build deps too [15:16] there is no real explanation why that happens but it makes the launcher look ugly [15:16] Are the icons actually different? [15:16] beyond that, we have a beta buglist from upstream [15:17] https://launchpad.net/unity-2d/+milestone/3.8 [15:17] Ubuntu bug 3 in Launchpad itself "Custom information for each translation team" [Low,Fix released] [15:17] i will add that to the weekly release status [15:17] silly bot :P [15:17] davidm, it happens on the same system if you just replace the unity-2d-panel package with a locally built one [15:17] Is there a way we could get more frequent build releases? They have a daily ppa, but it is x86 only. [15:17] so the icons are identical [15:17] hm, quite many high and critical bugs [15:18] GrueMaster, the maverick daily ppa is armel too [15:18] rsalveti, they say all should be fixed by beta [15:19] cool [15:19] also note that the majority of these bugs is already fix committed [15:19] Beta is next week btw. [15:19] yes [15:19] no [15:19] beta freeze is [15:19] beta is in two [15:20] * GrueMaster needs to clean glasses. [15:20] i mix them up too all the time ;) [15:20] we'll get a last upload right before freeze [15:21] then the list should only have high and critical bugs left [15:21] which can be fixed between the two betas [15:21] can I move on? [15:21] yes [15:21] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [15:21] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [15:22] currently for omap 4 we're already using 38, but with DVI [15:22] sebjan send a branch with new DVI patches and HDMI support! [15:22] \o/ [15:22] * ogra_ saw some alsa stuff pass by in his bugmail [15:22] GrueMaster, ^^^ [15:22] Yep. [15:22] any comment from luke yet ? [15:22] None. [15:22] :( [15:22] should be similar as we had for maverick, not fully functional yet, lots of conflicts but should be integrated at our tree soon [15:23] rsalveti, please tell me if i can drop the cmdline option [15:23] so I believe that with our next upload we can switch back to hdmi as default again [15:23] 720p looks so odd on my monitor ;P [15:23] ogra_: sure [15:23] that would be nice. [15:23] Will hdmi support have a better default resolution? [15:23] and I'm working at the pvr kernel driver to have sgx again with 38 [15:24] ++ [15:24] GrueMaster: will try to use the best supported one from the monitor [15:24] like maverick [15:24] Maverick didn't like my HDMI switch. [15:24] GrueMaster, for DVI i just picked the lowest that all DVI monitors should support [15:24] but I believe it should be better this time [15:24] it could have been 1080p [15:25] that's the problem I have with EDID support at omap 3 [15:25] but i wanted to make sure i dont trash it on cheap monitors [15:25] highest and best resolution is 720p [15:25] edid detection is only nice to have in case the monitor doesn't support 720p [15:25] yup [15:26] A lot of dvi monitors don't. [15:26] cool, nice to know, never saw one [15:26] 1280x720 ? [15:26] * ogra_ never saw one either [15:26] I had one that was 1024x768. [15:26] 15" [15:26] hmm, i would have expected if there is DVI it would do 720p [15:27] GrueMaster: do you still have it? [15:27] No. [15:27] It died a while ago. [15:27] from using a beagle ubuntu image on it ? [15:27] *g* [15:27] No, it died before arm. [15:27] ah [15:28] * ogra_ guesses NCommander can move [15:28] yup [15:29] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:29] New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:29] some slow progress, some package fixes. some give-backs [15:29] nothing unusual [15:29] * ogra_ poked on telepathy-glib, would be good if someone could identify the root cause [15:29] the kde ones still need GL/GLES fix [15:30] mono remains broken. Going to take some time out and doing normal FTBFS work before returning to that [15:30] i only added a quick workaround [15:30] others still waiting for a faster build machine [15:30] janimo: which GL/GLES fix? [15:30] scribus-ng looks like a finger training in qreal fixing [15:30] NCommander, rewrites is more adequate [15:30] Qt uses GLES on ARM [15:30] NCommander: need to change the packages that uses GL [15:30] janimo: I plan to work on this [15:31] some KDE apps hardcode desktop GL API [15:31] which is not present on GLES [15:31] probably at the weekend [15:31] let me know if you jump on it [15:31] rsalveti, I also had a look. Gto intimidated by the large change that GLES 2.0 vs desktop GL 1.X (which KDE uses) is [15:31] janimo: you're talking about e.g. koffice? [15:32] There's others too. [15:32] Riddell, yes, and screeensavers, edu (algebra), etc [15:32] it shuoldn't be that big [15:32] I know some people work on this already [15:32] I think avogadro too. [15:32] yup [15:32] yep [15:32] everything that uses avogadro and glew [15:32] a proper fix is either GLES port so ifdef on GL/GLES or using entirely Qt abstractions which make things slower and probably less flexible [15:32] same thing needed for mumble and mythtv [15:33] janimo: just disable GL when available [15:33] all upstreams I think are aware of this but it takes time [15:33] proper fix should come from upstream probably next cycle [15:33] linaro is working to get gles support at glew [15:33] right [15:33] kwin should support gles for kde 4.7 [15:33] and a few others [15:33] right, but still non-GLEW APIs are used a lot [15:34] yup [15:34] kunal and I are looking at packaging the kwin with gles for natty [15:34] many apps would need to include libmatrix or a similar lib to compensate for lack of matrix operations in GLES aPI [15:34] so not just a few ifdefs but real refactoring rewrite which upstream is more in a position to do than us [15:35] yes [15:35] Riddell: packaging it separately from kde? [15:35] rsalveti: yes [15:36] Riddell: I know linaro is planning to have it at least at a ppa [15:36] would be good to have it on natty [15:36] but then needs a ffe [15:36] are the pandas making it before natty in the build center or do we stick with the handful of FTBFS because of timeouts and their reverse deps [15:37] davidm: ^? [15:37] Sorry [15:37] janimo: How many packages in main are affected? [15:37] * janimo just looked. Only 77 unity-2d bugs targeted at beta. Piece of cake [15:37] GrueMaster, nothing in main afaik, so it is not critical [15:37] (to prevent going over, I think we need to take this offline and move on) [15:38] GrueMaster, see the ftbfs list ;) [15:38] right, move on [15:38] janimo, rthe good thing is that we dont need to work on them ;) [15:38] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:38] New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:38] ogra_, we may need to if we don't want a crashy U-2d on arm :) [15:38] netbook looks fine again since today [15:38] The panda buildd might make it I just got some PO's for parts but I'm not sure, I still have more to do [15:38] weeks yet [15:39] headless requires more research about the oem-config bug [15:39] once thats done we need to find out why we edn up without user [15:39] beyond that all is fine atm [15:39] NCommander, move unless there are questions [15:40] I would switch the priority there. Not having user is worse than not having serial oem-config. [15:40] well, i want to have both fixed [15:40] And the netbook images are looking good so far, except jasper doesn't transfer dvi settings past first boot. [15:40] both are high prio [15:41] oh ? [15:41] it should [15:41] I'm looking at a 640x480 GDM login. [15:41] file a bug, assign me [15:41] Yep. [15:41] but you had 720p on first boot ? [15:41] yes [15:41] k [15:41] is the plymouth bug fixed already ? [15:42] no. [15:42] * ogra_ hasnt tested netbook for a while [15:42] bah [15:42] We haven't had netbook for a while to test plymouth. [15:42] works fine with the text theme [15:42] so i think its not our fault and not arch specific [15:44] * NCommander moves on [15:44] [topic]QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:44] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:45] seems he drowned in bugs :) [15:46] Ooops. Was on the panda. [15:46] Working on clearing up old bugs still. [15:47] Also working on getting command-not-found fixed for armel (and all of ports). [15:47] * ogra_ finds it funny that he thinks he remembers it worked in maverick [15:47] Tested a UCM patch for alsa-lib yesterday. Looks ok (doesn't break anything). [15:47] ogra_: It has never fully worked on ports. [15:48] yeah [15:48] The way it generates it's data is by crawling the pool of .debs. [15:48] thats why i find it weird [15:48] What we get is arch=all. [15:48] So some of it works. [15:48] i would have sworn iu saw it working but i know its impossible [15:48] ah [15:49] then i only tried on arch all packages possibly [15:50] Going forward, it looks like bugs that affect our team and that we need to take ownership will temporarily be assigned to canonical-arm. [15:50] as long as we dont lose the subscription :) [15:50] At least until we can figure out a better way to track bugs we need to be responsible for. [15:51] That will be added as part of my triage process. :) [15:52] Bugs that we are interested in, but owned by other teams (linaro) will still have ubuntu-armel-porters subscribed. [15:52] yup, thats the point [15:53] I hope by next meeting that http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-arm-assigned-bug-tasks.html will be accurate for us. [15:53] Right now it appears blank. [15:53] weird, i thought it is generated hourly [15:54] it should already pick up the ones you assigned [15:54] It should also have bugs assigned to individuals of that team. [15:54] yeah [15:54] Not sure why it is blank. May be a glitch in the scripts or timing. [15:54] bdmurray might know [15:55] Yep. Meeting with him & the rest of the possie tomorrow. [15:55] great [15:55] * GrueMaster is done. [15:56] [topic] AOB [15:56] New Topic: AOB [15:57] if nothing else [15:57] going once [15:57] twice [15:57] three times [15:58] #endmeeting [15:58] Meeting finished at 10:58. === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === zul_ is now known as zul === itnet7_ is now known as itnet7 === ogra_ is now known as ogra [19:02] #startmeeting [19:02] hallo! [19:02] Meeting started at 14:02. The chair is charlie-tca. [19:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [19:03] this is the regularly scheduled Xubuntu Community Meeting [19:03] hey [19:03] the full agenda is always available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:04] [TOPIC] Old Business [19:04] New Topic: Old Business [19:04] ask knome to do some drafts with a grey background and a black background [19:04] any progress on this one? [19:04] not really, but i'll work on those today or tomorrow [19:04] thanks knome :) [19:05] as i've said a few times lately, i've been dead busy with commercial work [19:05] Thank you, knome [19:05] no problem [19:05] [TOPIC] Team updates [19:05] New Topic: Team updates [19:05] pleia2, can you get back on me tomorrow @#shimmer or so? [19:05] [TOPIC] Packaging & Development [19:05] New Topic: Packaging & Development [19:05] mr_pouit: your turn? [19:05] knome: sure [19:06] * As usual, uploaded fixes for xubuntu-default-settings and xubuntu-artwork. [19:06] * Uploaded fixes to correctly display translated desktop file names in Thunar and Xfdesktop4. [19:06] * Some bugfix in garcon as well. [19:06] pleia2, thanks. i definitely hope i'll have more time tomorrow for FOSS work [19:06] * Included more mimetypes in xfburn.desktop to make lubuntu happy. [19:06] Thank you, mr_pouit. Your efforts are really appreciated! [19:06] (and I'll need the full-sized wallpapers to include them in the xubuntu-wallpapers package ;p) [19:07] We will decide that one today, and get them to you [19:07] Anything else for Packaging and Development? [19:07] nope, that's all [19:07] [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing [19:07] New Topic: Bug Triage & Testing [19:08] Images were broken all week, the alternate image installs great! [19:08] Any questions? [19:08] any specific reasons for being broken? [19:08] um, something with the partitioner [19:09] rright... so were the ubuntu images broken as well? [19:09] yup [19:09] okay [19:09] good to know [19:09] sorry, all desktop images were broken this week [19:09] ubiquity is buggy [19:09] alternate was hit and miss, for the most part [19:10] We think it is fixed today, but will know if tomorrows images work [19:10] [TOPIC] Website & Marketing [19:10] New Topic: Website & Marketing [19:10] any updates? [19:10] no, still waiting on canonical to set up wordpress [19:10] Thank you [19:11] [TOPIC] Artwork [19:11] New Topic: Artwork [19:11] now this is harder [19:11] I made a serious mistake in not verifying the licenses of the wallpaper submissions [19:12] At this point, I have two we were supposed to vote on. One is licensed cc-by-sa, unfortunately, it contains images licensed cc-by-nc-sa === beardygnome_ is now known as beardygnome [19:12] That has to carry forward to the wallpaper [19:12] We can not use that wallpaper [19:13] which one was that charlie-tca? [19:13] I am declaring the wallpaper submitted by knome the winner today! [19:13] The man with umbrella is unusable because of the license [19:13] To refresh memories, the wallpaper are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty [19:14] doesn't xubuntu count as nc? [19:14] knome did a lot of work on his, but to keep the contest fair, those changes are not reflected on that page. The final wallpaper is at: [19:14] http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/nattywall/draft3e.png [19:14] LINK received: http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/nattywall/draft3e.png [19:14] (which i'm preparing for packaging right now) [19:15] Thank you [19:15] beardygnome: no, we don't count as non-commercial [19:16] will you note the author of that wallpaper? [19:16] knome: i like the new version very much! [19:16] yes, I will [19:16] beardygnome, thanks [19:16] now, also, on the artwork page is three images that took two votes each. One of those is copyrighted by the author, "all rights reserved". [19:17] That is also a complication for us, since it would then have to be reassigned to canonical [19:17] therefore, we now have three wallpapers. knome's will be the default [19:17] I can only include one more on the cd, so we will vote on earth or dolphins. [19:18] I would like to keep this simple, so I am not using VOTE [19:18] or vote and -1 is for other and +1 fo the other ? [19:18] please designate either earth or dolphins to be included as a wallpaper for Xubuntu. [19:19] vote now, and we will count the votes manually. [19:19] EARTH [19:19] dolphins [19:19] * micahg likes both :( [19:19] one vote only [19:19] earth [19:19] dolphins [19:19] charlie-tca: can new-comers vote or just members? [19:20] earth\ [19:20] anyone helping with xubuntu can vote. [19:20] go ahead, Sysi and drc [19:20] dolphins [19:20] Dolphins [19:20] earth [19:21] 4/4 [19:21] I count that as 4 and 4 [19:21] Is there anyone wishing to cast a vote? [19:21] me too [19:21] As Project Lead, I will then break the vote and throw it to earth [19:21] but micahg likes both, so can that be 5-4 to dolphins :-) [19:22] charlie-tca, weird, you voted for dolphins [19:22] haha [19:22] ;) [19:22] It will be EARTH, I will inform the artist we need the full size image [19:22] solidarity? [19:22] hihi [19:22] charlie-tca, are the licenses okay? :P [19:22] such things happen [19:22] yes [19:22] okay, good [19:23] It is fully public domain and cc-by-sa [19:23] I want to thank every artist for their work, apologize for the license issue [19:24] I don't have any other announcements. [19:24] I did not get any work done on the Strategy document proposal. [19:24] [TOPIC] Any Other Business [19:24] New Topic: Any Other Business [19:24] o/ [19:24] go ahead, micahg [19:25] we should be getting a new gmusicbrowser version (1.1.7) next week, if people can test, that would be great [19:25] That is great! [19:25] micahg: will it be in the maverick ppa? [19:26] beardygnome, do we have a maverick PPA? [19:26] Also, anyone that can test the installs, we really need to verify things are working, along with the applications [19:26] speaking of testing, the Global Jam is coming up in a couple weeks https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam - my loco team will be doing some xubuntu testing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Testing [19:26] ubiquity slideshow is coming together [19:26] beardygnome: as far as I know, yes, it will hit maverick ppa [19:26] charlie-tca: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing up to date? [19:26] we had a soft deadline today, but we're postponing that to sunday, so translators could start their work on monday [19:26]