 how can i remove a package that has a failed prerm and postinst script?
[00:58] <EvilPhoenix> it cant be removed through the standard methods, hence why i'm asking
[00:58] <twb> EvilPhoenix: when I get into that situation, I usually edit the prerm/postinst
[00:59] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  the problem is...
[00:59] <twb> EvilPhoenix: they're in /var/lib/dpkg/info/.  Do be careful, though
[00:59] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  i only need to remove one line to fix it i think
[01:00] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  the issue is i cant remove the file nor can i install the updates due to failed scripts
[01:03] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  also, the package is a package I built, i screwed up the scripts :P
[01:07] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  so i know the changes i need to make.  thanks
[01:18] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  the package still fails, any MANUAL removal processes you can point me to for failed packages?
[01:18] <twb> EvilPhoenix: nope
[01:18] <twb> EvilPhoenix: pastebin the transcript of dpkg -P foo
[01:19] <EvilPhoenix> http://pastebin.com/A4QzZqvi  <-- ignore the bash highlighting
[01:20] <telive> hello everyone . i have just installed  apache2 in ubuntu and found that there is no apache2.conf file in /etc/init dir . so apache do not stat at the boot time .
[01:21] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  i mean, I could just manually go through and erase the files, including the stuff in dpkg relating to the package, no?  would that not fix it?
[01:21] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  again, considering I originally built the package so its my fail that's the issue
[01:21] <twb> EvilPhoenix: I really wouldn't do that
[01:22] <twb> EvilPhoenix: just remove the "set -e" from the broken pre/post inst/rm
[01:22] <twb> And ideally fix your new version to not given an error if bbot isn't running at the time
[01:23] <telive> can anyone help ?
[01:23] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  i'd need the bash script to test if the process is actually running
[01:23] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  i'm not pro at bash scripting
[01:24] <twb> EvilPhoenix: pastebin it
[01:24] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  that's the thing, i dont have code for such a script...
[01:24] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  as i said, i'm not pro at bash scripting
[01:24] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  i just have `kill -9 bbot` in the script
[01:24] <EvilPhoenix> which is why it'd be triggering
[01:24] <EvilPhoenix> :/
[01:25] <EvilPhoenix> ah there we go
[01:25] <EvilPhoenix> the "being careful" with the dpkg/ files fixed :P
[01:25] <EvilPhoenix> s/fixed/worked/
[01:26] <twb> EvilPhoenix: uh, kill takes a pid
[01:26] <EvilPhoenix> twb:  killall, not kill
[01:26] <EvilPhoenix> sorry
[01:26] <EvilPhoenix> i'm semi tired :P
[01:27] <twb> You ought to have more like "invoke-rc.d bbot stop"
[01:27] <EvilPhoenix> problem is its a .py file, the executable is just a shell script that calls the .py file :/
[01:27] <EvilPhoenix> i'll remove the kill part, hope it all works :P
[01:28] <twb> "killall -9 bbot" is totally wrong, but you could try "killall -9 bbot || :" to ignore errors from that one command.
[01:31] <EvilPhoenix> i'll test it in the next build i do, which will be tomorrowishi :P
[01:45] <hallyn> telive: is this on lucid?  natty?
[01:45] <telive> hallyn, it is lucid
[01:48] <hallyn> telive: what happens when you do '/etc/init.d/apache2 start' ?
[01:48] <EvilPhoenix> it starts the apache2 webserver
[01:48] <EvilPhoenix> unless its already started
[01:48] <EvilPhoenix> oh wait a sec nevermind
[01:48] <EvilPhoenix> i misread hallyn's message :P
[01:49] <hallyn> :)
[01:49] <EvilPhoenix> hallyn:  such is the nature of skimming scrollbacks :p
[01:51] <telive> hallyn, it starts the apache2 as expected  , but it didn't start apache2 at boot time , i have checked in sysc-rc-conf and the apache2 is on .
[01:56] <hallyn> telive: hm.  Perhaps you'd best file a bug.  After boot, type 'ubuntu-bug apache2'.
[01:57] <JanC> finding the reason why it doesn't start would be nice though  ;)
[01:59] <hallyn> yeah but i think we need to look at various log and config file contents...
[01:59] <hallyn> JanC: do you have an idea offhand?
[02:00] <JanC> I already proposed to look into logs in another channel  ☺
[02:00] <JanC> (before i saw telive moved here)
[02:02] <hallyn> JanC: sorry, didn't mean to interfere!  carry on :)
[02:05] <telive> JanC, hallyn , actually i have no idea which log to watch . as there is nothing wrong in /var/log/apache2/error.log
[02:06] <JanC> hallyn: you were already answering here before I answered in the other channel, so you don't really interfere ☺
[02:09] <JanC> telive: is this with a default apache2 config, or did you change anything?
[02:10] <telive> JanC, i just install from apt-get , nothing has been changed .
[02:15] <telive> JanC, hallyn , nobody is interfere , and i am really appreciate for your help , thanks you two .
[02:17] <JanC> you could try increasing the apache log level, but that's useless if apache is never run...   ☺
[02:21] <JanC> telive: do other sysvinit scripts get run?
[02:21] <JanC> especially ones that ony get started at the same runlevel as apache?
[02:21] <JanC> only
[02:23] <KB1JWQ> telive: This isn't a virtualized box by any chance?
[02:23] <Godfather> I'm looking to run a pop3/smtp on 10.10 any sugestions on the dameon?
[02:23] <KB1JWQ> Dovecot.
[02:24] <JanC> dovecot for POP3 (& IMAP), postfix for SMTP
[02:30] <hallyn> telive: say, what does 'runlevel' show, and what is in /etc/rc2.d/ ?
[02:34] <telive> KB1JWQ, it is a physical machine , not a virtual one
[02:35] <telive> JanC,  the vsftpd doesn't work too .seems that sysv doesn't work in my machine
[02:36] <JanC> telive: sounds like we are on the right track there  ☺
[02:36] <telive> hallyn, ls /etc/rc2.d | grep apache K01apache2
[02:37] <telive> hallyn, it is stop in runlevel 2  . i think u mean rc5.d ?
[02:37] <telive> hallyn, ls | grep apache S91apache2
[02:38] <telive> JanC, means sysv doesn't work ?
[02:39] <JanC> telive: eh?
[02:39] <JanC> default runlevel on Debian & Ubuntu is 2
[02:40] <telive> JanC, not 5?
[02:40] <JanC> no ☺
[02:41] <JanC> unless you changed something of course
[02:41] <telive> JanC, 5 means the the graphic mode , it is ?
[02:41] <JanC> no
[02:42] <JanC> default runlevel on Debian/ubuntu is always 2, 3-5 are reserved for the sysadmin to do with whatever he/she likes
[02:42] <JanC> it's not Red Hat  ;)
[02:42] <telive> JanC, god , jessus . i am always told that level 5 means graphic mode in red hat series
[02:43] <twb> And the stuff in upstart doesn't understand runlevels much, either
[02:43] <JanC> it is, in red hat
[02:46] <telive> JanC, thanks for your time . i am so ashamed . i thought the run level is the same in the two distribution .
[02:47] <twb> No need to be ashamed
[02:48] <JanC> ... unless you make the same error again in the future ;-)
[02:48] <JanC> well, "error", more like a misunderstanding
[02:53] <hallyn> telive: phew  :)  have a good night
[02:55] <telive> hallyn, it is day time here. have a good night to u .
[02:59] <telive> JanC, thanks a lot . hehe .
[03:45] <Doonz> I just got a VPS box with ubuntu 10.04 installed. I created 2 new users. How do i get them to have the same terminal feel as the original user (sorry i dont know what to call it)
[06:07] <kaushal> hi
[06:07] <kaushal> Just trying to understand about any server which gets freezed.
[06:07] <kaushal> I have checked dmesg, syslog and various logs
[06:08] <kaushal> is there a way to trouble shoot it ?
[06:08] <kaushal> dont see any issues
[06:08] <kaushal> How do i know whats causing the issue
[06:08] <kaushal> the only way to set it right is to reboot the server
[06:09] <kaushal> Please help me understand
[06:10] <Tohuw> kaushal: The first question is always: what was happening with the server when it stopped working?
[06:10] <kaushal> Tohuw: its not accessible at all
[06:11] <Tohuw> kaushal: if it isn't accessible, you can't troubleshoot it until you make it accessible again.
[06:11] <kaushal> yeah
[06:11] <kaushal> since its located in Data Center
[06:11] <Tohuw> kaushal: they provide you no facility to remotely restart your server?
[06:12] <kaushal> yeah
[06:12] <kaushal> so we had IPMI too it did not responded
[06:14] <Tohuw> Well, until you can access the server, you cannot troubleshoot it. If it is impossible to boot the server, perhaps /var/log (or better all of the files) can be recovered.
[06:25] <chilli0> Hello I installed ubuntu 10.10 ( server and I'm having a few issues with samba)
[06:25] <chilli0> I can't seem to restart samba, I'm not sure why though. I did install samba4 and then  uninstall it but it is still there. It's confusing.
[06:38] <jmarsden> kaushal: If you have a separate IPMI NIC and its associated control processor setup, and *it* does not respond, then I would guess that you either have a network issue reaching it, or else a hardware issue that is killing both the main server board/CPU *and* the IPMI board... which I think would probably mean a power-related issue of some sort?
[06:38] <jmarsden> IPMI stuff is *supposed* to run completely independently of the main server hardware.  If you (and the data center tech staff) cannot get to the IPMI board, they should probably swap out the whole dedicated server chassis for you.  (If it is coloed -- your hardware, so your problem!)
[07:30] <ttx> jiboumans: yes, there is a plan in this direction. I have no clue how mature it is or how reactive they are, though.
[07:31] <ttx> jiboumans: the perceived gains for us are detailed in http://wiki.openstack.org/UseCeleryAsQueueManager
[07:32] <ttx> jiboumans: not sure how much this was compared to other equivalent solutions... I don't know of any in Python that would be so advanced, and we are Python-oriented.
[08:19] <RoyK> Happy Paddy's day :)
[09:11] <eagles0513875> hey guys i created a user and for some reason tab completion is not enabled as well as i cant backspace if i make a mistake on a command any ideas how i can fix it
[09:16] <ikonia> eagles0513875: how did you create the user ?
[09:16] <eagles0513875> useradd jaquilina -d /home/jaquilina -m
[09:17] <ikonia> interestingly basic
[09:18] <eagles0513875> i found that command from googling
[09:18] <ikonia> has it copied all the default files into her home directory
[09:18] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you're running a business server and you had to google on how to add a user ?
[09:18] <eagles0513875> yes tha .baschrc .bash  profile
[09:18] <eagles0513875> ikonia: this is a new vps im migrating slowly to it
[09:18] <ikonia> that doesn't change what I've said
[09:19] <eagles0513875> i know how to add a user just not have it generate a home dir for that user that is what i keep forgetting
[09:19] <ikonia> if your running a business server as you say you are and you can't add a user without googling you are in a lot of trouble and I suggest you install the desktop gui
[09:19] <eagles0513875> cant afford to with what will be on it
[09:19] <ikonia> why ?
[09:20] <eagles0513875> dont have that much ram available
[09:20] <ikonia> how much do you have ?
[09:20] <eagles0513875> 2gb
[09:20] <ikonia> that's tons
[09:20] <ikonia> the desktop with no effects won't touch that
[09:20] <eagles0513875> but once i get my sites migrated over here the dbs will eat that up pretty quick
[09:20] <ikonia> eagles0513875: I very very much doubt your database will eat 2GB of ram
[09:21] <eagles0513875> my server before i upgraded had only 1 and it got eaten up rather badly
[09:21] <ikonia> then your server is missconfigured
[09:21]  * eagles0513875 goes back to googling
[09:21] <ikonia> how big is the database and how many TPS does it do ?
[09:22] <ikonia> (or databases I should say as you suggesed you have more than 1)
[09:22] <eagles0513875> its 3 databases for 3 websites the db for my crm then for cacti then database for shopping cart
[09:22] <ikonia> ok, what sort of usage are they getting ?
[09:22] <ikonia> (rougly I'm looking for detailed figures)
[09:22] <eagles0513875> detailed figures i dont have but they will eventually be getting high usage
[09:23] <ikonia> define high usage
[09:23] <ikonia> roughly
[09:23] <eagles0513875> in terms of queries
[09:23] <ikonia> well, queries, is a good start, or anything that you think defines high usage
[09:25] <ikonia> just what in your mind do you class as high usage?
[09:25] <ikonia> however you want to summerise/define it
[09:25] <eagles0513875> couple of thousand queries bout 5,000 queries or more
[09:25] <ikonia> per day/minute/hour
[09:26] <eagles0513875> atm per day
[09:26] <eagles0513875> which then again wont be that high usage but i am expecting it to climb
[09:26] <ikonia> ok, what about when you think it's busy
[09:26] <eagles0513875> ?
[09:26] <ikonia> it's currently doing roughly 5000 per day, what sort of numbers are you expecting it to climb to
[09:27] <ikonia> the reason I'm asking this is I've just picked one of my mysql database machines randomly, with a 800 meg DB, it's doing over 1800 transactions per hour, with 3 of those regular queries quite large and complex, and it's using under 38 meg of ram
[09:27] <eagles0513875> O_o
[09:28] <eagles0513875> i think some tweaking is due on my end then
[09:28] <ikonia> and I'd consider that very light use
[09:28] <eagles0513875> probably poor optomization on my part
[09:28] <eagles0513875> in regards to my user issue what do i need to do to remedy that issue
[09:28] <ikonia> hence why I'm auerying it and suggestin 2GB of ram is super ammounts to stick the gui on and make your life easier
[09:29] <ikonia> "querying"
[09:29] <eagles0513875> tbh i prefer command line and would like to get familiar with it
[09:29] <eagles0513875> work with it more then i have in the past
[09:29] <ikonia> you've been learning it for more then 2 years and you're not progressing, if your genuinly trying to run a serious server, use the tools to help you do it
[09:30] <ikonia> having the gui on there doesn't mean you can't use the command line at the same time
[09:30] <ikonia> it's just a useful set of tools
[09:30] <eagles0513875> how much space does gnome take up outa curiosity
[09:30] <ikonia> I think it's about 600 meg for a full install,
[09:31] <ikonia> (roughly)
[09:31] <eagles0513875> O_O from what im seeing its showing 2,144MB (2.1gb) O_o
[09:32] <eagles0513875> can always purge the desktop environment when im fedup of it
[09:33] <RoyK> eagles0513875: 2GB for a server install???
[09:33] <RoyK> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[09:33] <RoyK> /dev/mapper/idun-root 124G  1.7G  116G   2% /
[09:33] <eagles0513875> gnome
[09:33] <RoyK> oh
[09:33] <eagles0513875> ya big time travesty
[09:33] <RoyK> on a server...
[09:33]  * RoyK once setup linux servers with 32MB RAM drives
[09:35] <ikonia> eagles0513875: with regard to your user issue, setup another user, see if it has the same issues
[09:35] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:35] <eagles0513875> i just realized i wont be able to access the desktop lol if i put one on there
[09:37] <ikonia> why can't you access the desktop ?
[09:38] <eagles0513875> i have never had much luck with forwarding x to another machine like this
[09:38] <ikonia> that's easy to setup, we can help you with that
[09:39] <eagles0513875> i would prefer to stay on commandline
[09:39] <ikonia> why ?
[09:39] <ikonia> you can't use it
[09:39] <eagles0513875> yes i can
[09:39] <ikonia> having the desktop will m ake it easy for you and you can still use the command line
[09:39] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you can't use it, lets be honest,
[09:40] <eagles0513875> i can use it
[09:40] <ikonia> and you can still use it even with the gui, but for serious tasks that are important you won't have teh worry of messing up
[09:40] <eagles0513875> this isnt on my server now this is on a vps
[09:40] <ikonia> eagles0513875: come on, you've just had to google how to add a user, I'm not putting you down for that, but that is basic stuff for running a server on the command line
[09:40] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i know how to add a user
[09:40] <ikonia> it doesn't matter if it's a vps or a physical server
[09:40] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you had to google it
[09:40] <eagles0513875> i just dont remember when adding a user hwo to add a user with a home directory
[09:41] <ikonia> eagles0513875: ok, so if you knew how to use the command line you could do man useradd read the man page for the -d and -m option and add it, you wouldn't need to google it and copy and paste a command
[09:41] <ikonia> (not that there is anything wrong with googling)
[09:46] <ikonia> eagles0513875: have you created another usert to to test yet ?
[09:47] <eagles0513875> doing so now
[09:48] <eagles0513875> same issue
[09:48] <ikonia> try adding the user like this
[09:49] <ikonia> sudo useradd -g users -d /home/test -s /bin/bash -m -k /etc/skel test
[09:50] <eagles0513875> what exactly does the -k /etc/skel test do?
[09:50] <_Techie_> eagles0513875, sets the skeleton directory
[09:50] <ikonia> test is the username
[09:50] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:52] <eagles0513875> its not working saying group doesnt exist
[09:52] <ikonia> the users group doesn't exist ?
[09:52] <ikonia> show me the output of uname -a please
[09:52] <eagles0513875> im on 10.04.2
[09:52] <eagles0513875> Linux EagleEyeT 2.6.32-29-server #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 11 21:06:51 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:52] <eagles0513875> i changed up that command a bit to try and create the user i would like to use
[09:53] <ikonia> eagles0513875: why did you change it
[09:53] <ikonia> it is a test
[09:53] <_Techie_> ikonia, maybe he didnt want to have to redo it if it worked
[09:53] <eagles0513875> that worked actually
[09:53] <_Techie_> why do you suggest stupid things?
[09:53] <ikonia> ?
[09:54] <ikonia> what  stupid thing did I suggest ?
[09:54] <_Techie_> naming it test because its a test when its clearly better to use a proper username, and if it works just migrate
[09:55] <ikonia> _Techie_: not at all, as those settings may not have been right for him, I wanted to do a test to see if it worked,
[09:55] <eagles0513875> it seems to look fine now
[09:55] <ikonia> eagles0513875: so it works with the auto completion ?
[09:55] <eagles0513875> yes
[09:55] <ikonia> but the two users you made without the -k option didn't work
[09:56] <eagles0513875> nope
[09:56] <_Techie_> ikonia, i hear that you suggested that eagles0513875 install a GUI because he wasnt that well versed with all the commands?
[09:56] <ikonia> for some rason your machine is not defaulting to /etc/skel
[09:56] <ikonia> _Techie_: correct yes
[09:57] <eagles0513875> ikonia: wouldnt kubuntu-offtopic be more appropriate for this offtopic chit chat
[09:57] <ikonia> it's not offtopic chit chat
[09:57] <_Techie_> ikonia, i dont care if i get banned for this or not, but its shitheads like you suggesting people withought perfect CLI knowledge use a GUI, they will never learn if you say that, so next time dont try scapegoat and help them the fuck out
[09:57] <ikonia> _Techie_: just tone down the language please
[09:58] <_Techie_> and with that being said
[09:58] <_Techie_> i wish you a good day
[09:58] <ikonia> _Techie_: I'm not critisising someone for not having perfrect command knowledge, however if you are trying to run a server and you've not picked up the basics in over 2 years of learning, using the gui as a fall back is a good tool
[09:58] <ikonia> ooh, why did it underline him ?
[10:00] <jkg> ikonia: because <underscore><string><underscore>
[10:00] <ikonia> jkg: my client normally doesn't do it
[10:01] <jkg> oh huh, yeah, mine either a few lines prior
[10:01] <jkg> guess it doesn't do it for nicks in channel
[10:48] <\sh> hmmm...what needs to be done in an upstart pre-start script to tell upstart to not actually exec a job? is an exit code of != 0 enough to give upstart the order to not "exec <service daemon>" ?
[10:49] <\sh> forget about my question...
[11:06] <Daviey> \sh, What was the answer?
[11:07] <airtonix> Daviey: isn't that awesome?
[11:08]  * airtonix rages
[11:08] <Daviey> airtonix, Need more words... :)
[11:11] <airtonix> Daviey: when someone asks for help then neglects to pass on the solution
[11:11] <Daviey> ahh!
[11:11] <Daviey> I'm sure \sh will when he comes back to irc.. :)
[11:12] <airtonix> always the optimist
[11:12] <Daviey> But generally yes, i 'love' forum threads where it just says "fixed it!"
[11:14] <\sh> Daviey: the solution is: script \n # doing some checks \n if [ <whatever is true> ]; then \” exec <service> \n fi \n end script.. I just was to complicated with my thinking of pre-start script .. end script exec ...
[11:15] <\sh> I should always think twice before I ask a question...the answer is sometimes too obvious ;)
[11:15] <Daviey> \sh, ah!  Yes - i see
[11:15] <Daviey> airtonix, told ya so :P
[11:29] <jamespage> Morning all - can someone give me some help understanding how the library path works in Ubuntu?
[11:29]  * jamespage thinks things have moved on since LD_LIBRARY_PATH was used....
[11:34] <Daviey> jamespage, You can overide using LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[11:35] <Daviey> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/jamespage/something/ ./somebin
[11:36] <jamespage> But ldconfig with files in /etc/ld.conf.d is the 'proper' way todo it?
[11:36] <Daviey> dave@voodoo:~$ cat /etc/ld.so.conf
[11:36] <Daviey> include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf
[11:37] <jamespage> Daviey: thats the one :-)
[11:37] <jamespage> so LD_LIBRARY_PATH could be used to localise a change to support say a Non-Ubuntu installed application?
[11:39] <Daviey> jamespage, Well that is a funny question... I used LD_LIBRARY_PATH on lucid just the other day, and it seemed to work... but just doing some quick searching people are saying that it doesn't..
[11:40] <Daviey> I understood setting the env variable was good for local usage, (doesn't require root!), but /etc/ld.conf.d was the place to do it for packaging etc.
[11:41] <jamespage> Daviey: so the context to my question was about bug 735296 - it looks like a local PostgreSQL install is getting included at the system level which kills winbindd
[11:41] <jamespage> wanted a nice solution to allow the reported to continue with the local install without conflicting with system installed components.
[11:43] <Daviey> jamespage, Yeah... LD_LIBRARY_PATH i would think would be the correct fix for that... my i'm not certain as i'm not in doubt that still works!
[11:43] <Daviey> jamespage, I wonder why he is using non-packaged postgres?
[11:44] <jamespage> Daviey: good question
[11:44] <Daviey> Still, i'm intrigued to know the answer now :)
[11:46] <jamespage> Daviey: not sure its a full installs - looks like it may be a locally compiled version of http://pgfoundry.org/projects/psqlodbc/
[11:46] <zul> morning
[11:47] <Daviey> late-morning zul o/
[11:47] <zul> Daviey: no really early
[11:47] <Daviey> jamespage, Ah, that makes more sense
[11:47] <Daviey> zul, not on real o'clock... ie, UTC. :)
[11:48] <zul> Daviey: heh my biological clock says its really early
[11:48] <Daviey> heh
[12:09] <zul> SpamapS: you didnt know about augeas?
[12:35] <zul> nxvl: ping when you are around
[12:52] <\sh> hmmm...lucid -> rabbitmq-server failed to install ? no bugs open? grmpf
[12:57] <zul> SpamapS: yes i know about php 5.3.6 ;P
[13:01] <Doonz> I just got a VPS box with ubuntu 10.04 installed. I created 2 new users. How do i get them to have the same terminal feel as the original user (sorry i dont know what to call it)
[13:02] <ikonia> Doonz: please don't cross-post you've already asking in #ubuntu
[13:03] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[13:08] <\sh> zul: somehow something is wrong with rabbitmq-server on lucid: 1. it warns me that I'm upgrading from an old version (which is not true, because it's a fresh server) and it failes to start during "configure", but it's running already
[13:08] <zul> \sh: known bug
[13:08] <\sh> zul: bug #653495 eventually?
[13:09] <daxroc> Hey all
[13:09] <zul> \sh: its fixed in maverick and above we need to do an sru for it
[13:12] <daxroc> with 10.10 , More often than not when downloading files speeds drop below 10Kb ps , this is both for local and external network requests , i've tried disabling ipv6 both through sysctl and through grub to no avail, ( also tried seperate switches, ports, cables. Has any one seen this problem or have any suggestions ?
[13:14] <daxroc> Local is Cat5e, downloads are external http, ftp and apt is also slow
[13:15] <daxroc> Internal http,ftp  are fine upto 25Mb ( roughly 1second ) then slow to < 10Kb
[13:15] <n1md4> hello.  i've installed uec on cc server, with 2 network interfaces.  network/interfaces has both configured for dhcp, surely 1 should be a public address, and the other static for dchp to the rest of the cluster.  I'm following https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/uec.html but it's not clear what should be configured for multiple interfaces.  Can someone pastebin their network/interfaces and dhcp.conf files please.
[13:16] <n1md4> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CDInstall guide even.
[13:16] <daxroc> box is a dell precision T1500 with NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe (rev 01) Nic
[13:16] <daxroc> consistant over other hardware too Dell 2850 with bonded nics
[13:19] <RoAkSoAx> zul: howdy! Do we have to subscribe needs-packaging bugs to ubuntu-archive once the package gets uploading and its sitting in the new queue?
[13:19] <RoAkSoAx> s/uploading/uploaded
[13:20] <zul> RoAkSoAx: no
[13:20] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ok thanks. python-ethtool is there now so I guess it's just matter of time
[13:20] <zul> RoAkSoAx: yep
[13:29] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, If it's not been looked at before Tuesday, i'd start asking ~ubuntu-archive directly
[13:31] <Daviey> \sh, Regarding the rabbitmq-server bug, you can preseed that value to go away.
[13:32] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: will do ;)
[13:33] <Daviey> \sh, rabbitmq-server rabbitmq-server/upgrade_previous note
[13:37] <orudie> for some reason I don't get a ping reply from some domains, for ex. I can ping yahoo.com but no ping reply from google.com
[13:51] <Tricks> alright guys our server went down earlier so I've forwarded all web traffic to our backup server
[13:52] <Tricks> it was running fine but now it's serving pages REALLY slowly and I can see about 10 processes (/usr/sbin/apache2 -k start) open with ps -aux
[13:52] <Tricks> anybody know why these processes are running?
[13:55] <patdk-wk> cause you told it to?
[13:55] <Tricks> nope
[13:55] <Tricks> just started happening
[13:55] <patdk-wk> what do you mean just started happening?
[13:56] <Tricks> tried apache2ctl -stop and start to clear them and they come back :S
[13:56] <patdk-wk> apache always runs several copies of itself
[13:56] <Tricks> patdk-wk, surely not the start command though?
[13:59] <patdk-wk> heh?
[13:59] <patdk-wk> what part of apache starts several copies of itself ==1?
[14:02] <resno> having hdd issues errors pop-up: http://dpaste.com/510513/. not sure how to fix
[15:13] <SpamapS> zul: no I just discovered augeas a bit ago. Very cool.
[15:13] <zul> SpamapS: ah ok
[15:15] <SpamapS> zul: seems like it would be very useful when paired w/ debconf
[15:15] <SpamapS> zul: I'm using it in ensemble formulas to tweak config files.
[15:15] <zul> SpamapS: agreed
[15:26] <iggi> Can anyone help me troubleshoot an apache issue? I had a virtual host setup and it worked fine, but ever since I rebooted all of the pages state "The server is taking to long to respond"
[16:18] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: has anything from today's updates might have broken something with KVM/VNC?
[16:19] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: even though while trying to upgrade It shows that qemu-kvm has been kept back, when trying to view it with virt-viewer or virt-manager it just shows a black screen
[16:45] <jamespage> hggdh - time to move to Jenkins?
[16:47] <hggdh> heh
[16:47] <hggdh> jamespage, certainly
[16:48] <jamespage> hggdh: so I'm pretty happy with the state of the current from source packaging in the testing PPA.
[16:48] <jamespage> I'm just pushing through a bit of refactoring; and I have polished up the jenkins-slave package to replace the existing hudson-slave package from usit (athough it will still work with Jenkins)
[16:49] <jamespage> I guess the question is how and when.
[16:49] <jamespage> I'd also like to get the ec2 testing stuff I've been working on in a Jenkins instances as well - maybe the same one.
[16:50] <jamespage> (oh - and where - do we still want to be cloud based)
[16:52] <hggdh> jamespage, on the last question: we will need a lot more of preparation for getting out of the cloud -- we will have to check with IS how to get it running, and still be able to use the slaves we have now
[16:53] <hggdh> so I do not think we will be able to do it *right* now
[16:53] <hggdh> jamespage, about when... right now would be a good time, the ISOs are broken
[16:53] <jamespage> doh!
[16:54] <hggdh> jamespage, and finally, on how: IDK ;-)
[16:54] <jamespage> Well we can either have a nice clean install and move over the jobs we want to keep;
[16:55] <jamespage> or we can snapshot the current system and move over in-place - it should be fairly clean
[17:00] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: just proposed a eucalyptus branch for you to review
[17:01] <hggdh> jamespage, which one would be easier? Sounds like snapshot would work, correct?
[17:01] <jamespage> hggdh: yes but I will test it first :-)
[17:02] <jamespage> is there anything else we want to change at the same time - for example adding some extra storage etc..  which would be easier on a clean install
[17:03] <jamespage> migrating from one server to the other is a quick scp of /var/lib/hudson -> tgt:/var/lib/jenkins
[17:03] <jamespage> And we can move the elastic IP when we are happy with the new server.
[17:03] <hggdh> jamespage, we might want a bit more of sotrage, just in case
[17:03]  * patdk-wk borrows the tgt
[17:03] <hggdh> let me check how much we use right nwo
[17:04] <jamespage> I reckon a new server is best bet then; we also need to discuss ec2 automated testing
[17:04] <jamespage> as that can be run on the master server as it has no special hardware requirements.
[17:04] <jamespage> However it does require more resources - I tried to run more that 2 in paralell on a t1.micro and it ran out of memory.
[17:07] <hggdh> heh
[17:07] <hggdh> now, how much more memory you think?
[17:07] <hggdh> and the t1.micro is really, er, micro...
[17:13]  * RoAkSoAx off to lunch
[17:18] <iggi> I had a virtual host setup and it worked fine, but ever since I rebooted all of the pages state "The server is taking to long to respond"
[17:24] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey nver mind uploaded wrong branch gonba fixed after lunch
[17:30] <iggi> So... How can a website have a viewable website, but not a complete A record? i.e.- bandcommunications.com (this is obviously not legit)
[17:31] <jkg> your browser is probably auto-adding the www subdomain (which in this case does have an A record)
[17:32] <iggi> How did I miss that? I'm really off today lol
[17:34] <n1md4> hello.  Is this the right place to ask about uec?
[17:35] <iggi> n1md4: You can ask, depends if people are around that can answer.
[17:38] <brosseaub> hello
[17:39] <brosseaub> anyone know hot to install php 5.3.3 on ubuntu 10.04 ?
[17:39] <n1md4> I'm following this guide http://cssoss.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/eucabookv2-0.pdf I'm on page 9/10.  I've a 2 server model, 1 controller and 1 node.  The node is behind the controller, but I can't connect to the internet; i.e. aptitude fails.
[17:40] <brosseaub> i could compile this by hand but there must be a PPA or something to automate the process
[18:02] <b0ot> I'm new to snmp... is there an easy way to install net-snmp or opennms on ubuntu
[18:02] <b0ot> 10.04
[18:03] <iggi> b0ot: sudo apt-get install net-snmp net-snmp-utils I believe, could be wrong, that might be for CentOS though.
[18:06] <zul> nxvl: ping again
[18:06] <nxvl> again?
[18:06] <nxvl> when was the 1st one?
[18:06] <zul> this morning
[18:06] <zul> so augeas
[18:06] <nxvl> really
[18:06] <zul> really
[18:07] <zul> check the logs ;)
[18:07] <zul> so agueas
[18:07] <zul> is it possible we can get 0.8?
[18:08]  * nxvl checked and no ping
[18:08] <nxvl> sure
[18:08] <nxvl> i can update it liek now
[18:08] <nxvl> like*
[18:08] <nxvl> one sec
[18:08] <zul> ill ask for FFE then or I can get Spamaps to :)
[18:09] <iggi> nxvl: I see a ping (but didn't have timestamp on) was about 10:45-10:50 EDT
[18:10] <nxvl> 0.8 is already in natty
[18:10] <nxvl> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/augeas/0.8.0-0ubuntu1
[18:12] <nxvl> zul: ^^
[18:13] <zul> seriously?
[18:13] <nxvl> and it builded
[18:14] <zul> nxvl: sorry about that then
[18:14] <zul> nxvl: you might want to update it in debian then :)
[18:14] <nxvl> nope, we are waiting for doc something
[18:15] <SpamapS> 0.8 in natty works beautifully
[18:15] <SpamapS> 0.7 in lucid seems confusing and a bit broken. :-/
[18:15] <SpamapS> but I may be abusing it
[18:15] <SpamapS> just the -s flag makes augtool a lot simpler to use from the cmdline. :)
[18:18] <SpamapS> nxvl: are you extremely familiar w/ augeas? I could use a couple of pointers on a common scenario..
[18:19] <nxvl> used to be
[18:19] <nxvl> haven't touch it in a long time
[18:19] <SpamapS> What were you going to use it for?
[18:20] <nxvl> i was going to write a central managment/configuration tool
[18:20] <nxvl> but i have no time left
[18:20] <SpamapS> ahh...
[18:21] <SpamapS> well I am trying to figure out how to do this all in one augtool command..
[18:21] <SpamapS> mysqldpath=`augtool ls /files/etc/mysql/my.cnf | grep ' = mysqld$'|head -1`
[18:21] <Hashyri> Hi, I installed ubuntu server, and I'm trying to setup a SQL database on it, is it recommendable ?
[18:21] <Hashyri> It's for personal use only, for learning.
[18:21] <SpamapS> Hashyri: very. Which SQL database did you want to use?
[18:22] <Hashyri> 10g
[18:22] <SpamapS> Oh
[18:22] <SpamapS> Oracle doesn't support Ubuntu IIRC
[18:22] <SpamapS> Hashyri: I assume you meant Oracle 10g
[18:22] <Hashyri> yes
[18:22] <SpamapS> you know.. there are other SQL databases. ;)
[18:22] <patdk-wk> 10g is old
[18:22] <nxvl> SpamapS: yeah, no, i'ven't use it that far, but raphink_ might know
[18:23] <SpamapS> raphink: ping? around? want to answer an augeas question?
[18:24] <raphink> I'm around ;-)
[18:24] <raphink> the question might be better asked on #augeas though
[18:24] <Hashyri> I had the Oracle 10g installed on windows server 2003, before... since I use in school I guess I should use the same version in home, don't ?
[18:24] <SpamapS> good point. :)
[18:24] <raphink> I'm about to leave so in case it lasts a bit ;-)
[18:25] <Hashyri> augeas, ok, will look around
[18:25] <Hashyri> thx
[18:25] <SpamapS> Hashyri: no, not augeas
[18:25] <Hashyri> oO
[18:25] <SpamapS> Hashyri: thats something I'm working on. ;)
[18:25] <Hashyri> ahh
[18:25] <Hashyri> Ok
[18:25] <SpamapS> Hashyri: You should try PostgreSQL .. its free and has similar features to oracle
[18:27] <Hashyri> hmm, ok will give a try.
[18:30] <Hashyri> Can I have diferent versions of SQL databases in one linux server ? Will it generate conflicts ?
[18:46] <RoAkSoAx> DavidLevin: ok the eucalyptus branch should be read, proposed the merge into the wrong branch
[18:46] <RoAkSoAx> argh
[18:47] <RoAkSoAx> DavidLevin: sorry >P
[18:47] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: ^^
[18:47] <DavidLevin> no worries
[18:59] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, ok great
[19:03] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, What was the reasoning for switching from pycentral to dh_python2?
[19:05] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: Debian is kinda neforcing it for what I can see, so I just decided to go ahead with the change, that doesn't really affect in anything http://wiki.debian.org/Python/PyCentral2DhPython2
[19:08] <Daviey> yeah, it seems to be the direction all the cool kids move in.
[19:10] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Okay, it looks good to me, i'll merge and upload it first thing in my morning.  However, can you also add bug #697753 to it?
[19:11] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: sure
[19:11] <zul> hallyn: ping
[19:12] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: will do it before you wake up :)
[19:12] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, rocking
[19:12] <Daviey> (you forget i never sleep)
[19:12] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: I was changing that to "I'll do it before UK Morning" :P
[19:12] <zul> thats why he is slightly nuts
[19:12] <RoAkSoAx> zul: *slightly*
[19:13] <zul> Daviey: the stories i heard would send chills down your spine
[19:14] <Daviey> heh
[19:14] <zul> hallyn: what do you think of bug 737027?
[19:26] <ivoks> urgh...
[19:26] <ivoks> advice: avoid btrfs at any cost
[19:26] <ivoks> rather use ntfs :(
[19:27] <KB1JWQ> Hating upstart at the moment.
[19:27] <netritious> Does anyone here know anything about SunFire E25K?
[19:27] <KB1JWQ> Specifically its half implemented brokenness.
[19:27] <KB1JWQ> netritious: Not if you don't ask a real question. :-)
[19:27] <netritious> KB1JWQ well stated :)
[19:28] <netritious> I don't know much about them, but in a meeting today I found out there is one in a Memphis TN warehouse just released from probate being sold for $35K
[19:29] <netritious> I thought if anyone knew anything about that server they might just be hanging out here :)
[19:30] <KB1JWQ> netritious: And you intend to run *Ubuntu* on this?!
[19:30] <netritious> uh no
[19:30] <netritious> although I would try if I could lol
[19:32] <netritious> I have seen some nice Sun workstations run Ubuntu though.
[19:34] <KB1JWQ> netritious: #solaris may be a better fit for the question. :-)
[19:36] <netritious> KB1JWQ: good point...will do thx
[19:44] <iggi> Does anyone know why before a reboot my virtual host in apache2 worked fine, but after a reboot it gives me a "The Server is taking to long to respond"
[19:56] <_jws> hi all - quick question regarding user-data: I have an ec2 image I've prepped and rolled out an AMI. The user-data I try passing to my AMI isn't getting run - I assume it's b/c it was already run once. Can I turn it back on? (sorry for the crap terminology)
[20:01] <KB1JWQ> _jws: user-data in what context?
[20:03] <_jws> KB1JWQ: sorry - the user-data script I have (eg changing hostname), isn't being run on the AMI I  created from an ubuntu image (which ran the user-data script) the first time (I then futher tweaked the instance and rolled an ami from it)
[20:03] <KB1JWQ> _jws: The only user-data stuff I have is "running puppet." :-)
[20:04] <KB1JWQ> Kicking the can to something that isn't EC2 specific tends to lead to better infrastructure down the line.
[20:05] <_jws> KB1JWQ: yeah, I'd like to get puppet up and running, but can't convince the boss of the extra time to get things running (I know, f'in stupid. i've tried pushing) - maybe I should just impl. pupppet and say the hell with it
[20:07] <jiboumans> _jws: i'm a bit late to the conversation, but mathiaz has a great blog post on using puppet + cloudinit from the comfort of your shell
[20:07] <jiboumans> _jws: read oldest -> newest of course: http://ubuntumathiaz.wordpress.com/category/puppet/
[20:10] <_jws> jiboumans: thanks. this will help
[20:10] <jiboumans> _jws: our infrastrcuture is implemented along those lines wiht several extensions, so feel free to shoot a question here and i'll do my best to answer
[20:11] <_jws> jiboumans: excellent. thank y'all so much. should have this up and running in no time :)
[20:11] <jiboumans> _jws: be sure to run the latest versions of puppet though. and you're welcome
[20:14] <orudie> can someone please help me? I installed vmware tools and at boot I get error: no such disk , I posted this on vmware forums but i'm not getting any responses http://communities.vmware.com/message/1718892#1718892
[20:24] <guntbert> orudie: this is the support channel for ubuntu server, are you certain that you want to ask here?
[20:26] <orudie> guntbert, the boys over at #vmware are telling me its not vmware related
[20:27] <guntbert> orudie: I was just asking - your guest is ubuntu server I guess?
[20:27] <orudie> guntbert, yup
[20:27] <orudie> guntbert, it starts after the disk checker, and everything seems working
[20:27] <orudie> guntbert, but there is no grub loader during boot, and those errors there
[20:29] <guntbert> orudie: no grub loader? you mean no grub menu? press left <shift> during boot to get it
[20:30] <orudie> guntbert, by other VM which is also ubuntu 10.04 shows "grub loader" right after post
[20:31] <guntbert> orudie: there is (with ubuntu) *always* grub - so please try the left <shift> key
[20:35] <orudie> guntbert, i tried it, didn't come up
[20:35] <orudie> guntbert, can you help me check to see if my disk is properly mounted ?
[20:36] <guntbert> orudie: strange  In my memory there is only one way to mount a virtual HD in vmware
[20:38] <guntbert> orudie: you could boot your system from a live CD (iso) and see if there is anything gone wrong
[20:45] <shlm> hello
[20:45] <shlm> there anyone
[20:45] <shlm> anyone know what is postfix server ?
[20:45] <oCean> !mta
[20:47] <orudie> can anyone help me with my problem please ?
[20:47] <shlm> postfix is it pmta ?
[20:47] <shlm> postfix is itpmta ?
[20:47] <shlm> postfix is it MTA ?
[20:47] <oCean> :)
[20:47] <oCean> correct
[20:47] <oCean> !postfix
[20:47] <shlm> well
[20:47] <shlm> i wonder using ubuntu
[20:48] <shlm> with one iP i got several vhost
[20:48] <shlm> apache vhost
[20:48] <shlm> i installed postfix
[20:49] <shlm> i got 3 domain name : domain1.tld, domain2.tld & domain3.tld
[20:49] <shlm> working with one ip
[20:49] <guntbert> orudie: I tried but you didn't respond
[20:50] <shlm> my question is : with postfix is it possible to create several email ID related with domain name ?
[20:50] <orudie> guntbert, I really do not see how booting from live CD will help me
[20:50] <shlm> for example : info@domain1.com, contact@domain2.com, pingme@domain3.com
[20:50] <shlm> is that possible ?
[20:50] <oCean> sure
[20:51] <shlm> all with one IP
[20:51] <oCean> postfix can handle multiple domains. You have to setup proper mx records for each domain, they can have same ip (your vps)
[20:51] <guntbert> orudie: if the virtual HD is properly mounted you will see it in the live session too, and you can work on configuration problems too
[20:51] <KB1JWQ> shlm: You probably want to outsource the mail to a provider.  Running a mailserver isn't for the faint of heart.
[20:52] <guntbert> KB1JWQ: ++1
[20:52] <oCean> shlm: start here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto, though I agree with KB1JWQ on the fact that is might not be very easy
[20:52] <linuxtech> I have been running mail since 1995, and now I use exim4.
[20:52] <KB1JWQ> Not to mention that the internet doesn't need more badly run mailservers. :-p
[20:53] <KB1JWQ> linuxtech: I've run that in the past, I tend to prefer postfix.
[20:53] <KB1JWQ> The exim root exploit late last year / early this year wasn't exactly endearing. :-)
[20:53] <shlm> I'm ready for the challenges
[20:53] <linuxtech> Yes, which is why I am packaging the lateset exim for my servers.
[20:54] <linuxtech> Bind is already done, mailman is also on the todo list.
[20:54] <guntbert> shlm: try/train first in a completely pivate network - open mail relays are very much frowned upon
[20:55] <KB1JWQ> linuxtech: I guess I'm not sure why you'd go to that level, but okay. :-)
[20:55] <shlm> i simply wanna know the basic things and essential things ?
[20:55] <shlm> the rest i can manage it myself
[20:55] <KB1JWQ> #postfix may be a better resource, but you're expected to read.
[20:56] <shlm> i m already present but ppl there not so much helpfull than here
[20:56] <guntbert> shlm: if you are beginner with mail servers: don't connect it to the internet!!
[20:58] <TheInfinity> guntbert: +1
[20:58] <shlm> for  outsource, there is no question as i often to have problem
[20:58] <shlm> why ? guntbert
[20:59] <TheInfinity> shlm: its very easy to make a open relay -> other ppl sent spam over your server
[20:59] <TheInfinity> shlm: -> my poor little server has more to fikter
[21:00] <TheInfinity> *filter
[21:00] <guntbert> shlm: you can get yourself in troubles - providers don't like open mail relays either - it even can get expensive (not to mention criminals using it...)
[21:01] <shlm> so what would like to tell ?
[21:01] <TheInfinity> shlm: test your server at home
[21:01] <shlm> do not install postfix and to use gmaiL as it is free ?
[21:02] <shlm> how they can send spam over my server ?
[21:02] <TheInfinity> shlm: at home means nobody can reach it from outside. behind a router or something like that.
[21:02] <TheInfinity> shlm: they can when you make the config wrong. which happens quite easy as a beginner.
[21:03] <shlm> without giving access on my cli how they use my server for spam ?
[21:04] <TheInfinity> shlm: bad config options, so smtp auth for example
[21:04] <TheInfinity> *no
[21:04] <guntbert> shlm: they don't  need access to your CLI for that
[21:04] <TheInfinity> shlm: my first mailserver installation took 2 weeks, every evening. just plan some time till everything works save and secure :)
[21:04] <guntbert> shlm: we *are* trying to scare you, yes, but for a very good reason
[21:05] <TheInfinity> the reason is spam:nonspam ration = around 100:1 @ my server *g*
[21:05] <shlm> i don't really need the utility to use a mail server at home
[21:06] <shlm> i mean the necessaty of using mail server at home
[21:06] <guntbert> shlm: then don't run it at all - but if you want to learn then run it at home
[21:07] <TheInfinity> shlm: you dont need one at home (in my opinion) unless you want to learn / test or unless you have several clients
[21:07] <shlm> ok let 's talk about cms
[21:07] <shlm> CMS
[21:08] <shlm> Content management system
[21:08] <TheInfinity> shlm: but server security is more then just a good mail server config. for example: ssh with password is baaaad. ssh with pubkey auth is fine. *g+
[21:08] <shlm> when we can see there are lots of cms providing the mail server module
[21:09] <shlm> which do what to do
[21:09] <shlm> without doing anything
[21:09] <guntbert> shlm: my absolutely last word in this regard: forget the mail server thing
[21:10] <shlm> what is your point of vue on it ?
[21:10] <shlm> is that secure to use that one or not ?
[21:12] <shlm> ok leave it
[21:13] <shlm> what is the raid soft can do ?
[21:35] <RoyK> http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/c+-.html
[21:38] <deedubb843> Hello. I am having a problem with "preseed" installation of ubuntu 10.04.2 server. if I use ks=<pathtofileonhttpserver> which contains url --url "<directory of ubuntu 10.04.2 insallationmedia>" it works perfectly. If i used a preseed file and preseed/url=<pathtopreseedfileonhttp> it gets to the Checking Ubuntu archive mirror and errors out. I believe I need to tell the preseed where to find the installation files but I have been unable to find t
[21:42] <deedubb843> anyone? I don't understand how its suppose to know where its installing from
[21:42] <deedubb843> I tried settings the local0/repository line, no love