[04:39] <afuentes> hi
[04:39] <afuentes> owners of nvidia 8400GS (me included) had this bug since maverick
[04:40] <afuentes> i heard of the nvidia testing cards group
[04:40] <afuentes> i and i wondered if i could help to fix this
[04:40] <afuentes> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/660596
[04:40] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 660596 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Black screen after installing Nvidia drivers on 10.10 (affects: 48) (heat: 242)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:56] <mads> Hi: The ISO images on http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/, what time zone are the "time modified" set at. or what i really what to know is at what time are the daily iso updated for download?
[08:09] <mads> Hi: The ISO images on http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/, what time zone are the "time modified" set at. or what i really what to know is at what time are the daily iso updated for download?
[08:48] <jibel> ara, good morning
[08:49] <jibel> ara, can you update the topic to "Testing Natty nVidia proprietary drivers", please ?
[08:51] <ara> jibel: do you remember how I get op permissions? :D
[08:51]  * ara really needs to write that down
[08:52] <jibel> ara, really not.
[10:25] <guillemhs> hi
[10:26] <jibel> guillemhs, hi, welcome to the qa team!
[10:26] <guillemhs> hello
[10:26] <guillemhs> let me introduce myself
[10:26] <guillemhs> I am a phd student
[10:26] <guillemhs> here in Barcelona
[10:26] <guillemhs> optical communications stuff
[10:26] <guillemhs> linux user since 2001
[10:26] <guillemhs> ubuntu user since 2004.10
[10:27] <guillemhs> now i am trying to contribute in ubuntu
[10:27] <guillemhs> i have several questions
[10:27] <guillemhs> automated tests
[10:27] <guillemhs> do you use checkbox?
[10:28] <jibel> guillemhs, first of all, thanks for your help
[10:28] <guillemhs> ok, you're welcome
[10:28] <jibel> guillemhs, we have some introduction material to QA activities
[10:28] <guillemhs> ok
[10:28] <jibel> If not already done, you can read our wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing
[10:29] <jibel> and our wiki http://qa.ubuntu.com/testing/
[10:30] <guillemhs> yeah, i read those pages
[10:30] <jibel> cool!
[10:30] <guillemhs> basically, I have runned some testcases
[10:31] <guillemhs> however, I reported some bugs that those bugs don't exists due to an old testcase
[10:31] <jibel> so you can participate to many of our activities bug triaging/reporting, iso testing, and contribute to automated testing
[10:32] <jibel> guillemhs, some testcases needs to be refreshed indeed
[10:32] <guillemhs> yes, that is my intention
[10:32] <guillemhs> ok, basically I want to run some testcases
[10:32] <jibel> currently, despite what the topic says, we are testing nVidia proprietary driver support in unity.
[10:32] <guillemhs> at least to learn and to be situated in the testing routine
[10:33] <guillemhs> I know, but my PC has an ATI
[10:33] <jibel> ok.
[10:34] <jibel> for automated testing we use 2 tools:
[10:34] <jibel> 1. checkbox which runs a serie of tests on your local machine
[10:34] <jibel> 2. and mago
[10:34] <guillemhs> ok
[10:34] <jibel> mago is used to test the applications automatically
[10:34] <jibel> did you had a look at mago ?
[10:35] <guillemhs> nop
[10:35] <guillemhs> is it a powerful tools?
[10:35] <guillemhs> tool, sorry
[10:35] <jibel> of course it is!
[10:36] <jibel> we are currently running more than 300 tests in Unity and Classic desktop nearly every day to check the applications installed by default on the desktop
[10:36] <guillemhs> wow!
[10:36] <jibel> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/
[10:36] <guillemhs> I have to learn how to use this
[10:37] <guillemhs> ok i see those bugs
[10:37] <guillemhs> but i don't know where those bugs are produced
[10:37] <guillemhs> those bugs are produced using mago
[10:38] <guillemhs> i see
[10:38] <jibel> You can help with mago by: maintaining the existing tests. Since Natty is a dev release the apps changes and tests needs to be changed accordingly
[10:38] <guillemhs> ok
[10:38] <guillemhs> any tutorial for mago?
[10:38] <jibel> or by creating new tests for applications you use and know well
[10:39] <jibel> the wiki is there http://mago.ubuntu.com/
[10:39] <jibel> and there is a step by step example http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/mago/tutorial/index.html
[10:39] <jibel> of course you can also contribute to mago itself
[10:39] <jibel> by extending/fixing and providing new feature to the tool
[10:39] <guillemhs> ok great
[10:40] <guillemhs> that's what i was looking for
[10:40] <guillemhs> one question
[10:40] <guillemhs> natty iso
[10:40] <jibel> mago uses ldtp which is based on a11y technologies, so you can be interested in joining #ldtp as well.
[10:40] <guillemhs> do you install natty in a virtual machine? or in your local machine?
[10:41] <jibel> I do both
[10:41] <guillemhs> ok
[10:41] <guillemhs> Virtualbox virtualization i guess
[10:41] <guillemhs> or kvm?
[10:42] <jibel> VM is great because you can install and trash a system very quickly and take advantage of the snapshot feature to test different aspects of the desktop without reinstalling it everytime
[10:42] <jibel> but if you want to test kernel, drivers or hardware that's not the right choice
[10:43] <guillemhs> to run some testcase with mago, what do you prefer?
[10:43] <jibel> VM is good because we are testing the applications
[10:43] <guillemhs> ok
[10:43] <jibel> and VirtualBox with guest additions can run Unity
[10:44] <guillemhs> ok i see
[10:44] <guillemhs> i use testdrive to synch the daily iso
[10:44] <guillemhs> then i runned the VM
[10:45] <guillemhs> now, i select a testcase from the qa wiki
[10:45] <guillemhs> i have reported bugs from those problems
[10:45] <guillemhs> I guess you install the Natty in a VM, and then you run your testcase, right?
[10:46] <afuentes> hi
[10:46] <afuentes> owners of nvidia 8400GS (me included) had this bug since maverick
[10:46] <afuentes> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/660596
[10:46] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 660596 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Black screen after installing Nvidia drivers on 10.10 (affects: 48) (heat: 236)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:46] <afuentes> i and i wondered if i could help to fix this
[10:46] <jibel> right, that what I do
[10:46] <jibel> the testcases should be run in a clean environment to avoid side effect from other applications
[10:47] <jibel> afuentes, Hi
[10:47] <guillemhs> ok, then I backup the initial installation
[10:51] <jibel> guillemhs, that's a good policy to run the test daily in a clean environment.
[10:51] <guillemhs> ok
[10:51] <jibel> afuentes, you're the reporter of the bug ?
[10:52] <jibel> there's a lot of noise in this bug.
[10:55] <afuentes> jibel, im not
[10:55] <afuentes> the noise is basically ppl saying me2
[10:55] <jibel> afuentes, yeah, that's why I say noise, it does bring useful info.
[10:56] <jibel> afuentes, anyway, we are currently testing nVidia proprietary drivers
[10:56] <jibel> afuentes, so there is a chance to give this report high attention.
[10:56] <afuentes> but in essence, ppl with nvidia 8400GS is not able to update to maverick
[10:57] <afuentes> i have got this card, so i was wondering how can i help to fix this, since is bothering me a lot :)
[10:58] <jibel> afuentes, did you tried with Natty too ? it looks like it is only affecting maverick
[10:59] <afuentes> jibel, this comment is mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/660596/comments/22
[10:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 660596 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Black screen after installing Nvidia drivers on 10.10 (affects: 48) (heat: 236)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:59] <afuentes> thats all i tried
[11:00] <jibel> afuentes, since it is a problem with the proprietary driver (which is a binary driver) there's little we can do.
[11:00] <jibel> afuentes, Did you tried the drivers downloaded from nVidia ?
[11:01] <jibel> afuentes, they should be the same but well.
[11:01] <afuentes> I think so, but when I saw this nvidia testing thing I wondered what is the testing about. How can it help?
[11:01] <afuentes> yep, It was 4 months ago, but I tried every combination possible of kernels and nvidia drivers
[11:01] <jibel> afuentes, we are testing the nVidia drivers in Natty, to discover this issue of thing before the release is out.
[11:02] <afuentes> jibel, only to discover them? :S
[11:03] <afuentes> I dont know much, but I tried the driver downloaded from nvidia. It installed fine without errors that I could see
[11:03] <afuentes> It just didnt work
[11:03] <jibel> afuentes, not only :-) fixing them before it reached a major audience if also a goal
[11:04] <afuentes> jibel, but do you target only errors in the package process of ubuntu?
[11:04] <afuentes> because if that it is so, I am afraid we are stuck with this problem
[11:05] <afuentes> since I think it has to do with some incompatibilito of the driver with modern kernels
[11:06] <jibel> afuentes, no all errors that affect the users of Ubuntu. If the problem is with the binary driver, there's nothing we can do in Ubuntu to fix the driver it must be reported to nVidia.
[11:06] <jibel> afuentes, what you can do to help and bring the bug to the attention of the developers
[11:06] <jibel> afuentes, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/Natty/WeeklyProgram
[11:07] <jibel> afuentes, subscribe to http://xorg.qa.ubuntu.com
[11:07] <afuentes> I could give natty a try and skip maverick all together. The problem is this is my production system and I cant be without it. The last time I did all the testing in maverick I had to reinstall lucid because all the kernels in maverick doesnt work with nvidia driver
[11:07] <jibel> afuentes, mark http://xorg.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/5154/977 as failed and link this bug report.
[11:09] <jibel> afuentes, if you use another partition there is limited risk for your system.
[11:09] <jibel> afuentes, at boot grub will propose which system to boot. Now if you're not comfortable with that, don't do it.
[11:10] <afuentes> Ok, lets get dirty. Ill try all those steps
[11:10] <afuentes> I am confortable messing around ;)
[11:10] <jibel> afuentes, you're awesome :-) Thanks for your help!
[11:11] <afuentes> yeah yeah, as long as this get fixed, whatever :)
[11:12] <guillemhs> jibel, i'll try mago later
[11:12] <guillemhs> we'll keep in touch
[11:12] <guillemhs> i know where to start
[11:13] <jibel> guillemhs, k, you're welcome!
[11:29] <afuentes> ok jibel. Im registered and added the output of lspci -v at the tracker
[11:29] <afuentes> what now?
[11:30] <afuentes> It tells me to add me to the list of participants on the page of the instructions, how do i do that?
[11:32] <jibel> afuentes, to do that, login to the wiki and edit the page, but that's not mandatory.
[11:32] <jibel> afuentes, now you need to reproduce the failure in Natty, for this you need to run natty in a different partition or a loopback device.
[11:33] <jibel> afuentes, wubi is ok if you have windows and don't want to mess up your linux partition
[11:34] <afuentes> I dont have windows
[11:34] <afuentes> jibel, Is there a way to add a wubi like instalation on ext3?
[11:35] <afuentes> that would be great
[11:36] <jibel> afuentes,  sure it's doable but I don't have the recipe on the top of my mind.
[11:37] <afuentes> jibel, im googling
[11:37] <jibel> afuentes, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Loopback-Root-FS.html old but still relevant
[11:38] <jibel> afuentes, really too old
[11:38] <afuentes> we should have a wubi in ubuntu
[11:38] <afuentes> its not really fair
[11:41] <jibel> afuentes, looks like it http://lubi.sourceforge.net/lubi.html
[11:41] <afuentes> what iso should I try? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/?
[11:42] <jibel> afuentes, I never tried it though, but I'll surely do
[11:42] <jibel> afuentes, the lp project https://launchpad.net/lubi
[11:42] <jibel> afuentes, yes latest daily,
[11:42] <afuentes> jibel, lubi seems nice, but I dont feel confortable installing outside the repositories :(
[11:43] <jibel> afuentes, you'd better use alternate
[11:43] <jibel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[11:43] <jibel> same than desktop but with the text based installer
[11:44] <afuentes> k
[11:59] <afuentes> lubi project seems pretty old. I wonder why is not in the repositories
[12:01] <afuentes> ill try to install from alternate
[12:01] <afuentes> brb
[13:17] <afuentes> hello
[13:27] <afuentes> hey jibel, im right now on natty
[13:27] <afuentes> X didnt work :/
[13:27] <jibel> afuentes, with nvidia-current ? Same bug ?
[13:29] <afuentes> mmm i dont really know
[13:29] <afuentes> i didnt get to the X
[13:29] <afuentes> i guess im using nv right now
[13:30] <jibel> afuentes, you can try the recovery session on boot and select failsafe session, it should use the vesa driver
[13:31] <jibel> afuentes, to get grub menu, hold left shift on boot
[13:31] <afuentes> ok, ill try
[13:31] <afuentes> bb
[13:34] <afuentes> jibel: i dont have such option on grub :/
[13:34] <afuentes> only recovery mode
[13:34] <afuentes> do you remember the package to get the mouse to work in cli?
[13:35] <jibel> that's it, select recovery mode, then it will boot in text mode and display a dialog where you can choose the X failsafe session
[13:35] <afuentes> it doesnt :/
[13:35] <afuentes> it goes to a menu where i can go to a shell
[13:35] <afuentes> or repare broken packages and the like with ncurses
[13:36] <jibel> afuentes, it's gpm IIRC, I didn't use for years
[13:36] <afuentes> thanks :)
[13:36] <afuentes> ill paste the last error i get
[13:37] <jibel> ok
[13:37]  * jibel trying the recovery menu
[13:37] <jibel> the recovery menu should have the following items:
[13:37] <jibel> resume
[13:38] <jibel> clean
[13:38] <jibel> dpkg
[13:38] <jibel> failsafeX
[13:38] <jibel> grub
[13:38] <jibel> netroot
[13:38] <jibel> ?
[13:38] <afuentes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/581582/
[13:39] <jibel> is that all ???
[13:39] <jibel> "is n"
[13:39] <afuentes> btw, pastebinit is a great package, jic you didnt know about it :D
[13:40] <afuentes> ill give it another try to see if i can find that failsafeX
[13:40] <afuentes> brb
[13:42] <afuentes> all ive got is resume, clean, dpkg, grub, netroot, root
[13:42] <afuentes> :(
[13:44] <afuentes> anything else i can do?
[13:44] <jibel> afuentes, can you use netroot and paste /var/log/syslog and /var/log/Xorg.0.log of the failed boot ?
[13:44] <afuentes> i used resume witch brings me to a shell
[13:45] <afuentes> can i paste you from here? or do i reboot to enter netroot?
[13:45] <jibel> paste it from here, but well, resume should have ... resume the boot,
[13:46] <afuentes> yep it gives some error, in the middle of the screen which i can not read because is erased with the ncurses
[13:46] <afuentes> but id say its the one on the dmesg
[13:47] <jibel> yup, that should be what's in dmesg or syslog
[13:47] <afuentes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/581585/
[13:48] <afuentes> I dont seem to have any Xorg log
[13:48] <afuentes> :/ i never really entered the X
[13:50] <guillemhs> afuentes, ghost in the shell fan? just wondering for your hostname....
[13:51] <afuentes> yup
[13:51] <afuentes> :D
[13:52] <afuentes> i bet tachikomas doesnt have this graphic cards issues
[13:53] <afuentes> why do i always pick cards that have problems... why, god, why
[13:53] <guillemhs> i don't know
[13:53] <guillemhs> i have an AMD
[13:53] <afuentes> 3d acceleration?
[13:53] <guillemhs> and i also have huge graphic card issues
[13:53] <afuentes> oh
[13:53] <afuentes> lol
[13:53] <guillemhs> what? 3d
[13:53] <guillemhs> are you joking
[13:53] <guillemhs> ?
[13:53] <guillemhs> amd sempron
[13:53] <jibel> afuentes, is it doesn't goes past the resume, it's no even the fault of the card
[13:53] <guillemhs> one core
[13:54] <afuentes> no, i am not really into cards lol
[13:54] <guillemhs> me neither
[13:54] <afuentes> yay...
[13:54] <afuentes> well, i can try with another iso
[13:55] <afuentes> what do you suggest to do next_
[13:55] <afuentes> ?
[13:57] <afuentes> All my cards used to be ati... I had huge issues with all of them
[13:57] <afuentes> i thought i was safe with nvidia
[13:58] <afuentes> I had huge issues at the begining, but for 1 year and a half it started to go all right with ubuntu, till maverick
[13:58] <afuentes> that it broke again :(
[13:58] <afuentes> it must have done some huge evil in a past life
[13:59] <jibel> afuentes, I'm running an nvidia and it's running great. Looking at the results of the testing there is only 1 serious bug reported
[14:00] <afuentes> thats what im saying... a gipsy must have cursed me
[14:01] <afuentes> jibel: any way i can start X from console?
[14:01] <jibel> afuentes, yes run startx
[14:02] <co_cari_ceww> hayy... who can resolve my problem
[14:02] <afuentes> mmm xinit was not installed :/
[14:02] <afuentes> wtf did i just installed
[14:02] <co_cari_ceww> want to hear?
[14:02] <afuentes> shot co_cari_ceww
[14:02] <jibel> afuentes, wow, you installed a minimum system, check if ubuntu-desktop is installed ?
[14:03] <afuentes> it was not
[14:03] <afuentes> :/
[14:03] <afuentes> ?.?
[14:03] <afuentes> i was coocking during the instalation
[14:04] <afuentes> I would had sware i selected to install :/
[14:04] <co_cari_ceww> my modem detected as memory storage on lucid
[14:04] <afuentes> it}
[14:04] <afuentes> it*
[14:04] <jibel> afuentes, boot to netroot and run "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[14:04] <afuentes> yup, its installing now
[14:05] <co_cari_ceww> understand my means?
[14:05] <afuentes> it booted up alrite :) no errors i guess
[14:05] <co_cari_ceww> come on...
[14:05] <co_cari_ceww> heelp me....:(
[14:05] <afuentes> no idea here co_cari_ceww :( can you make a the question again?
[14:05] <afuentes> with other words?
[14:06] <afuentes> co_cari_ceww: can you paste in paste.ubuntu.com the lines you are refering to?
[14:07] <co_cari_ceww> lucid lynx
[14:08] <afuentes> co_cari_ceww: i mean, where did u read your modem detected as memory storage?
[14:09] <co_cari_ceww> terminal
[14:09] <afuentes> after doing what
[14:10] <co_cari_ceww>  memory format is cdfs
[14:10] <afuentes> what are you trying to accomplish co_cari_ceww ?
[14:12] <afuentes> this is so yummi, damn i am a good cooker
[14:15] <co_cari_ceww> for what it is? how?
[14:16] <afuentes> co_cari_ceww: what are you trying to accomplish when you get that error?
[14:18] <co_cari_ceww> my modem is only detected when I go in and open the application the modem drivers on windows os and go back to ubuntu
[14:19] <afuentes> co_cari_ceww: now that i understan you, im afraid i cant help you with that. I dont know
[14:19] <afuentes> but similar thing happen to my microphone
[14:19] <afuentes> i gotta reboot
[14:19] <afuentes> brb
[14:19] <co_cari_ceww> i open drivers on windows without unplug modem
[14:20] <co_cari_ceww> kaaaaaappppppppppok
[14:20] <co_cari_ceww> jancok\
[14:24] <afuentes> ok, im in gnome now jibel
[14:25] <afuentes> should i install suggested nvidia drivers?
[14:25] <jibel> co_cari_ceww, #ubuntu might be a better place to get help, or #ubuntu-bug if you think it's a bug.
[14:25] <jibel> afuentes, did jockey shows up and recommend to install the proprietary drivers ?
[14:25] <afuentes> yup
[14:26] <jibel> afuentes, then go ahead and install the driver
[14:27] <afuentes> in progress
[14:27]  * jibel crosses fingers
[14:28]  * afuentes do the same
[14:29]  * patdk-wk wonders how you all type
[14:29] <afuentes> id be nice if it would show the actual version instead of saying current :/
[14:29] <afuentes> ok, it promts me to restart
[14:29] <afuentes> brb
[14:34] <testing_> my gosh... its working
[14:34]  * afuentes prays aleluya to the lord
[14:35] <afuentes> im installing some 3d game to see how good
[14:36] <afuentes> how is the firefox 3 package called?
[14:37] <jibel> afuentes, welcome back
[14:37] <afuentes> :D
[14:38] <afuentes> if there is any firefox3 available in natty
[14:40] <jibel> afuentes, the version available is 4, and the package is firefox
[14:42] <afuentes> quakelive does not run on ff4 :/
[14:43] <afuentes> im dling openarena
[14:43] <afuentes> so how do i report this is working jibel _
[14:43] <afuentes> ?
[14:44] <jibel> afuentes, in http://xorg.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/5154/419 on the line "Result" select "Passed"
[14:46] <afuentes> this is great news... I cant wait until natty! :D
[14:47] <afuentes> great... sound does not work now... too good to be true...
[14:49] <jibel> afuentes, that's good to hear
[14:50] <jibel> :)
[14:50] <jibel> maybe it's just muted ?
[14:51] <afuentes> jibel, nah... This ***ing sound card has been given me problems since the very begining...
[14:51] <afuentes> I go to sound hardware and its not there
[14:52] <afuentes> I have to reboot, not once or twice, but 3 times to make it appear as a sound card
[14:52] <afuentes> everytime i update
[14:52] <afuentes> at least until now...
[14:52] <jibel> afuentes, what's the card ?
[14:54] <afuentes> card 0: VT82xx [HDA VIA VT82xx], device 1: VT1708 Digital [VT1708 Digital]
 afuentes, in http://xorg.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/5154/419 on the line "Result" select "Passed" <-- done :D
[14:57] <jibel> afuentes, You rock ! Thanks
[14:57] <jibel> afuentes, there are few other testcases if you want to give them a try.
[15:05] <afuentes> 3D funcionality is working as well :D
[15:06] <afuentes> jibel now i understand the interface of the tests... i wasnt understanding it before :S
[15:06] <afuentes> not much ppl is doing the tests, aint they?
[15:08] <afuentes> well, jibel thank you very much for everything
[15:08] <afuentes> im glad my card is back to live in natty :)
[15:08] <afuentes> cya around ;D
[15:08] <jibel> it's only 2 days, and it requires and nVidia card. Thanks for your help in testing :-)
[15:09] <afuentes> sure, i cant do much, but i can test :D
[15:09] <afuentes> bb
[17:02] <Guest59186> Is a GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 a "GeForce 7 or newer" ??
[17:05] <patdk-wk> no
[17:05] <patdk-wk> that would be 6 :)
[17:13] <Guest59186> ta, 7000 series would have been clearer. I don't keep up with gfx card numbers :-)