[00:00] <iheartubuntu> ok thanks
[00:10] <pleia2> nhaines: yeah, that's mostly been my experience too :) I even had one lug *ask me* to post announcements to their list too
[00:10] <nhaines> pleia2: well, I do have a good relationship with OCLUG anyway, so I'm sure that helps.  :)
[00:11] <pleia2> yeah, I was at a meeting for that lug when they asked me so the relationship was there
[00:11] <pleia2> and I ran the philly lug so I always gave myself permission to post :D
[00:11] <pleia2> I do sometimes argue with myself over debian vs ubuntu though
[00:12] <akk> nhaines: sorry, didn't see your q earlier. The svlug installfests I went to were a bunch of guys who knew each other sitting at tables talking to each other
[00:13] <akk> nhaines: so it was kinda hard to break in if you were new and shy.
[00:13] <nhaines> akk: awww.  Yeah, that's something to try and avoid.
[00:14] <akk> If I were organizing one, I'd have some kind of indicator (t-shirt, armband, sign or whatever) people could wear to indicate "I'm a helper, ask me your questions!"
[00:14] <seidos> that reminds me, i lost my ubuntu pin :(
[00:14] <seidos> i still have my SCaLE pin
[00:15] <seidos> i should check the ubuntu store for a replacement
[00:15] <seidos> armbands would be cool
[00:15] <akk> and maybe a little more organization so there's some clue that "at this table, we're helping this newbie get ubuntu installed, but over at this table we're brainstorming about this weird X or programming problem, and at this table we're trying to figure out why sound doesn't work on this laptop"
[00:16] <akk> not quite sure how you indicate that, but it's tough for someone walking in to know where they can go to ask questions (maybe a "start here" person?)
[00:16] <seidos> would there be a fun table?
[00:16] <seidos> party hats and juggling
[00:16] <akk> I was showing up as "I can help anyone who needs help, or if not, I have this sound problem and would love people to brainstorm with me about it"
[00:17] <akk> but I ended up just sitting by myself hacking on something because I couldn't figure out who was already busy vs. who might be interested in helping
[00:17] <seidos> i was being serious, the IBM guys at SCaLE told me to juggle after i called him Batman...he actually looked like Bruce Wayne
[00:17] <akk> sure, random fun stuff is always ... fun :)
[00:17] <seidos> ohhhhh
[00:18] <seidos> "interested" is the key word there
[00:18] <akk> though I'm not sure nonstop juggling makes for an ideal installfest either
[00:18] <seidos> i'm also interested, just not very useful in able to help
[00:18] <seidos> unless you need someone to talk the problem about with
[00:18] <seidos> because you are tired of talking to yourself
[00:18] <akk> Sometimes that helps a lot, just having a sympathetic ear to listen and help brainstorm.
[00:18] <seidos> which i can relate to, since talking to yourself is often frowned upon
[00:19] <seidos> yeah, a person to bounce ideas off
[00:19] <akk> I've solved programming problems just by describing them to someone who doesn't program much themselves.
[00:19] <pleia2> akk: at one of the philly ones we had a sign in sheet that we had a sign near, people could indicate why they were there (helper? giant computer in your car you help bringing in?) and someone lurking near the sign in sheet to help direct people
[00:19] <akk> But you don't want to start unloading on someone who might not be interested.
[00:19] <seidos> multiprocessing ;)
[00:19] <akk> pleia2: Right! That would have helped immensely.
[00:20] <akk> You don't want to saddle somebody with "do nothing but sit by yourself by the sign-in table in case someone comes in"
[00:20] <akk> but having someone keeping an eye on the door to greet people and show them the sign-in as they come in would be great.
[00:20] <pleia2> mostly the sign-in sheet wasn't actually used, but it was nice for when no one was right at the door to direct people, they at least felt there was something they could do (sign in) rather than standing around
[00:20] <seidos> i would offer to walk around asking everyone what they are working on, etc. but that would be annoying
[00:20] <akk> and yeah, doesn't need to be a formal sign-in sheet -- just somebody know knows who's there, who knows what, who's busy or not
[00:21] <seidos> what about a table that's like "a bar"
[00:21] <akk> "Oh, you have a sound problem? Sara over there is really good with sound"
[00:21] <seidos> a free for all table
[00:21] <seidos> where you can snoop
[00:21] <seidos> legally
[00:21] <seidos> okay fine, not snoop, but "inquire"
[00:21] <akk> seidos: I tried shoulder-surfing on a convo that was already going on, but I felt sort of unwelcome doing that.
[00:22]  * seidos sneezes
[00:22] <seidos> akk: was it at the free for all table?
[00:22] <seidos> or the "this is our clique, and you must earn your entry into it" table?
[00:23] <akk> seidos: shrug, there were just a bunch of tables, you tell me
[00:23] <seidos> i wasn't there, so i don't know
[00:24] <akk> It's not like tables are labeled as "clique" and "free"
[00:24] <seidos> and even if i was...
[00:24] <akk> but none of them seemed to have space for a new shy person to join in
[00:24] <seidos> i know, i was running with your idea
[00:24] <seidos> i think i got lost in my own imagination
[00:24] <seidos> sorry
[00:24] <seidos> hehe
[00:25] <seidos> they were probably just too busy thinking about something to do the social thing
[00:25] <pleia2> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Installfest-HOWTO/ is actually quite good for planning
[00:25] <seidos> i should wear a sticker on my forehead that says "talk to me, i'm absent minded"
[00:26] <seidos> just in case
[00:27] <seidos> i always get stumped at "where"
[00:27] <seidos> i should probably go to the adult school here
[00:27] <nhaines> pleia2: ooh, it's still being updated.
[00:27] <seidos> see if there is space there
[00:27] <akk> That howto does look useful.
[00:28] <pleia2> nhaines: yeah :)
[00:28] <pleia2> it's the only thing on tldp.org that's being updated ;)
[00:28] <nhaines> pleia2: that's what surprised me.
[00:29] <pleia2> I tend to be more relaxed about food/drink money stuff, a donation bucket for food tends to work out great, I rarely end up with out of pocket expenses
[00:29] <pleia2> but I guess that depends on the area, you do have to be willing to handle the financial burden if you end up with one :)
[00:30] <seidos> what's the worse case scenario in terms of the $?
[00:30] <pleia2> you spend $100 on pizza and no one donates anything
[00:30] <seidos> hmmm $100, that's quite a bit
[00:30] <pleia2> well not every event requires $100 of pizza ;)
[00:30] <seidos> i think i'd bring beans and bolillos
[00:31] <pleia2> and as I said, I've never had a problem with donations
[00:31] <nhaines> pleia2: what I like most about the document is the time frame given.  Too many people in this LoCo would call for 3-hour-long installfests.  :P
[00:31] <pleia2> people are mostly good and I more often than not end up with too much money
[00:31] <nhaines> pleia2: seed money for the next one.
[00:31] <seidos> where do you usually have them pleia2?
[00:31] <pleia2> nhaines: oh yeah, people are horrible at estimating how long it will take
[00:32] <pleia2> I think the shortest one I've done was 6 hours, and it was tight
[00:32] <nhaines> pleia2: I'm sure I've been called unreasonable.  :)  I always recommend 5 minimum and refuse to do less than 4.
[00:32] <seidos> for a second i thought you were saying 3 hours was too much
[00:32] <nhaines> And by "recommend" I mean as in "Recommended Minimum System Requirements" like on PC game boxes.  ;)
[00:33] <seidos> or for ubuntu
[00:33] <pleia2> seidos: back in philly we often had companies host them (usually a member of the lug/loco would offer space at the company they worked at) or at a local hackerspace (we did one in philly at hive76, one in SF at noisebridge)
[00:33] <seidos> i'm surprised there isn't more going on at CSULB
[00:33] <seidos> i remember the being programming competitions there
[00:33] <seidos> i'm probably just not in the loop
[00:35] <seidos> i'll have to go again, see if i can talk to someone in the comp sci department...not sure about the business department
[00:35] <seidos> they didn't use linux at all when i was going there
[00:35] <pleia2> oh, we did one at a local computer recycling place ones too, that was cool, lots of spare parts!
[00:36] <pleia2> s/ones/once
[00:40] <seidos> the computer recycling place here is at ucla
[00:41] <seidos> only one i know of
[01:31] <seidos> ubuntu, gets all the tough stains out, now with turbo handling!
[06:20] <iheartubuntu> although Chrome has always had its little bugs for me, i notice i can have tons more tabs open than if i were to have the same # of tabs open in FF. wasnt that the idea for each tab when chrome was conceived?
[07:58] <seidos> kind of weird, looks like empathy doesn't authenticate to nickserv on a reconnect
[07:58] <seidos> i downloaded the source code, but i can never make heads or tales of multiple files
[08:00] <seidos> chrome is quite zippy, with it's breaking out each tab as a separate process
[08:00] <seidos> but i'm trying to rally around the default install of ubuntu
[08:00] <seidos> i should try out natty in a vm
[08:04] <iheartubuntu> i notice in the newest version of chrome, you can view "background pages" from the wrench icon and then see what pages are using the resources
[08:11] <seidos> there was something like that in chromium
[08:15] <iheartubuntu> not like she would ever know
[08:16] <iheartubuntu> im not suggesting. just sayin :)
[08:21] <iheartubuntu> the national tour?
[08:21] <iheartubuntu> you would think itsgoing to be right here in LA
[08:22] <seidos> i dunno, stuff could get linked on the site unofficially
[08:22] <seidos> probability of win
[08:22] <iheartubuntu> i would go
[08:23] <iheartubuntu> have u checked prices?
[08:24] <iheartubuntu> could be cause for a road trip
[08:24] <iheartubuntu> im going to have a(nother) beer
[08:24] <iheartubuntu> not
[08:24] <iheartubuntu> actually its about time for my next triple shot
[08:26] <iheartubuntu> i can go till 6am, shower and then head out to work
[08:30] <iheartubuntu> notice how twitter grinds to a halt at 2am
[08:30] <iheartubuntu> philip
[08:30] <philipballew> dave
[08:30] <philipballew> whats up
[08:30] <philipballew> see i am on irc now
[08:31] <iheartubuntu> we are doing a one way road trip fueled by espresso and redbull to see hashtagwinning
[08:32] <philipballew> red bull is key, what keeps you up exactly?
[08:32] <iheartubuntu> espresso
[08:32] <iheartubuntu> triple shot
[08:32] <iheartubuntu> 10pm and 2am
[08:32] <philipballew> for what reasons?
[08:32] <iheartubuntu> 630am im out the door
[08:33] <philipballew> where to?
[08:33] <iheartubuntu> who the heck is this iheartubuntu guy anyways
[08:33] <iheartubuntu> to work
[08:34] <philipballew> for sure. yes. this iheartubuntu guy is pretty cool. or at least that website makes him look cool!!!
[08:34] <iheartubuntu> probably the 2nd one
[08:34] <philipballew> perhaps i need something to make me cool
[08:34] <iheartubuntu> especially if you turn the monitor upside down to see the secret characters like a beatles album
[08:35] <philipballew> or play there album backwords...have you heard of that
[08:35] <iheartubuntu> you need hashtagubuntu
[08:35] <iheartubuntu> i mean
[08:35] <iheartubuntu> hashtagubuntu-us-ca
[08:35] <iheartubuntu> thats coolness
[08:36] <iheartubuntu> yes
[08:36] <iheartubuntu> but their album covers speakvolumes
[08:37] <philipballew> i often do #ubuntu or #linux. perhaps now that im trying to help get a ubuntu hour started here ill do the .ca one. but in a month im moving back up north for summer...
[08:37] <iheartubuntu> i feel the real paulmccartney passed away in an auto accident
[08:37] <philipballew> so hes really dead but elvis is alive?
[08:38] <iheartubuntu> i think elviss soul is still alive
[08:38] <iheartubuntu> does that count?
[08:39] <philipballew> well does  soul ever die?
[08:39] <philipballew> most would say no :)
[08:39] <iheartubuntu> you are talking about r&b right?
[08:39] <iheartubuntu> just kidding :)
[08:40] <philipballew> i got sole...but im not a soldier!
[08:40] <iheartubuntu> amen
[08:41] <philipballew> perhaps with a great media player like banshee you can play that. btw, that player crashed on me today. i should probably not have the ppa installed but i like the new version
[08:42] <iheartubuntu> do u knwo the version number
[08:42] <iheartubuntu> it has been pretty stable for me lately. but not sure what version im running. i think i went back to the stable release
[08:43] <philipballew> im running 1.95. i get daily updates of it. sometimes two or three times a day
[08:43] <iheartubuntu> im running 1.8.1
[08:43] <iheartubuntu> 87 GB of music
[08:44] <philipballew> theres talk of them putting dvd support into it soon i have 85..darn, perahaps a music swap someday?
[08:44] <iheartubuntu> i dont now why i have so much now with then et you can just listen to stuff on the fly
[08:44] <iheartubuntu> ive got a ton of reggae (owned record label)
[08:44] <iheartubuntu> so ive got some marley and tosh tracks unreleased
[08:45] <iheartubuntu> tosh son did some demos with me in pasadena back in the day
[08:45] <iheartubuntu> i bought all the beatles discs in moscow for $1 haha
[08:45] <philipballew> when you live in a college dorm room and a 16 gig flash drive music seems to build fast. ive never done rege (played drums for 9 years) but sounds intresting. are you from russia?
[08:46] <iheartubuntu> nyet. wife is
[08:46] <iheartubuntu> drums? nice
[08:46] <iheartubuntu> ive heard one too many drummer jokes in my day
[08:47] <iheartubuntu> what r u listening to
[08:47] <iheartubuntu> i liek a lot of old ragtime jazz
[08:47] <philipballew> hum. my brother dated a girl from passidena area full russian. its a great insturment. though i dont have it here. it is chilling back home in the small town of auburn california
[08:47] <philipballew> currently the band is called animal collective
[08:47] <iheartubuntu> when my house turns 100 im doing a big house birthday bash with live jazz band
[08:47] <iheartubuntu> welcome to come!
[08:48] <philipballew> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zol2MJf6XNE this is what they sound like. when will that be?
[08:49] <iheartubuntu> 5 yrs from now :)
[08:50] <philipballew> i didnt know so cal has been around that. (yes, i am new to this area)
[08:51] <iheartubuntu> cool music
[08:51] <seidos> it kind of has a keane vibe
[08:51] <seidos> at the risk of sounding weak, that stuff makes me cry if i'm in the right mood
[08:51] <philipballew> thank you. perhaps you should start dancing!!!
[08:51] <philipballew> real men cry!
[08:52] <seidos> i wouldn't know how to dance this stuff
[08:52] <philipballew> it shaws abaility to know how to deal with problems
[08:52] <seidos> maybe spinning, spinning, spinning towards freedom
[08:52] <iheartubuntu> so yur bro is in that band? with 5 million page views?
[08:52] <philipballew> let the music move you
[08:53] <philipballew> perhaps all 3 of us have a IRC DANCE PARTY!!!
[08:53] <iheartubuntu> hell yah
[08:53] <iheartubuntu> ohhh ohhhh yaaaa
[08:53] <iheartubuntu> bump bump bump
[08:53] <philipballew> that would make a good twitter
[08:53] <iheartubuntu> hashtag
[08:53] <philipballew> i might tweet that out one day
[08:53] <seidos> when i dance, i carry a 600 lb twinkie that represents the psychickinetic energy of NY
[08:54] <iheartubuntu> done
[08:54] <iheartubuntu> so youre horny seidos?
[08:54] <iheartubuntu> sorry, espresso kicking in
[08:54] <iheartubuntu> tweeted
[08:55] <philipballew> i got the text. dancing seemes like a good choice
[08:55] <philipballew> more people will get it
[08:55] <iheartubuntu> #tigerblood
[08:55] <iheartubuntu> the music stopped
[08:56] <iheartubuntu> so yur bro is in that band? with 5 million page views?
[08:56] <iheartubuntu> what wmusic would you call it... techno?
[08:57] <philipballew> he is not. but this is him http://www.flickr.com/people/stuballew/
[08:57] <seidos> that isn't techno
[08:57] <seidos> i dunno what i would call it
[08:57] <seidos> newer wave :P
[08:57] <seidos> #zebrablood
[08:57] <iheartubuntu> a buddy of mine reached #1 on the dance charts in europe last year... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5sckYGBQtI
[08:57] <philipballew> almost techno but most wikipedia calls it neo-psychedelic
[08:57] <iheartubuntu> jahamark
[08:57] <iheartubuntu> whoops
[08:58] <iheartubuntu> jahmark
[08:58] <seidos> neo-wave
[08:58] <philipballew> i would say its not techno that is made popular by europian techno
[08:58] <seidos> it's cold
[08:58] <philipballew> go inside
[08:58] <seidos> relatively speaking
[08:58] <seidos> i am
[08:58] <seidos> i would like to be acclimated to my surroundings
[08:59] <seidos> windows is open
[08:59] <iheartubuntu> you still use windows???
[08:59] <iheartubuntu> sheez!
[08:59] <iheartubuntu> im wrapped warmly in an ubuntu blanket
[08:59] <philipballew> who doesnt! Windows r00lz!!!
[08:59] <philipballew> DOS 4 LIFE!!!
[09:00] <iheartubuntu> that would be a good geek tat across a waist
[09:00] <seidos> fscking nerds
[09:00] <seidos> no, the window
[09:00] <seidos> it's open
[09:00] <seidos> :D
[09:01] <seidos> more like a good geek tramp stap right above the nalgas
[09:01] <seidos> hell...
[09:01] <seidos> stap?  who says that?
[09:01] <philipballew> geeks rule!!!
[09:01] <seidos> yeah, like Rich Franklin
[09:01] <seidos> dude is an English teacher and he beat Chuck Liddel
[09:01] <seidos> in fistacuffs
[09:02] <seidos> i haven't seen the fight
[09:02] <seidos> i don't like violence
[09:02] <philipballew> this geek rules... http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2617/4186388972_27be190d4b.jpg
[09:02] <philipballew> i dont think many people like voilance
[09:02] <iheartubuntu> so once a day right?
[09:03] <seidos> geek writes a script to reboot his computer 1000x a day
[09:03] <seidos> dies from exhaustion
[09:03] <iheartubuntu> different version (better) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwZd-KFk4OQ
[09:03] <seidos> every jujitsu teacher i ever had did
[09:04] <philipballew> i reboot my computer to many times each day. i have to turn it of. if i close the lad and re open it it wont boot back again
[09:04] <seidos> i like Linkin Parks "waiting the end"
[09:04] <seidos> that's a fun song to dance to i think
[09:04] <iheartubuntu> have u heard this song??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrO5J7TdS7c
[09:04] <iheartubuntu> the trolololo man
[09:04] <seidos> do you use s3 suspend?
[09:05] <philipballew> whats s3? yes i am kinda dumb
[09:05] <seidos> it's like the random assignment for "sleep"
[09:06] <seidos> some number, just ignore that
[09:07] <philipballew> hum. i was gonna have dave look at it if hes at the ubuntu hour next week. im trying to find a way to have when i close my lid on the laptop my music still plays. like insomniax
[09:07] <seidos> nirvanic :)
[09:07] <philipballew> when you go to a college where most of the people use osx you get to know the applactions
[09:09] <iheartubuntu> Happy St.Patricks Day to all!
[09:10] <seidos> i'm trying to find highlights of the liddel franklin fight
[09:10] <iheartubuntu> a liek a lot of french chanson music too
[09:11] <philipballew> if i knew what you were wearing i might have to pinch you
[09:12] <iheartubuntu> why
[09:12] <iheartubuntu> ohhh
[09:12] <iheartubuntu> here is typical russian pop music... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jJR4MhUDtc
[09:13] <iheartubuntu> we're still dancing right?
[09:13] <iheartubuntu> or should i sit down
[09:13] <philipballew> im kinda winded personally
[09:14] <iheartubuntu> so ive been dancing and youve been at the punch bowl this whole time?
[09:14] <iheartubuntu> hhhhmmppfff!
[09:14] <seidos> i get like "girl with a dragon tattoo" vibe from this song
[09:15] <dragon> o.O
[09:16] <seidos> -_-
[09:16] <dragon> Good night california!
[09:16] <seidos> it's funny how girls stay girls, and boys become guys or men
[09:16] <iheartubuntu> and hear i thought dragon was a bot
[09:17] <seidos> funny sad, not funny ha ha
[09:17] <seidos> i've never met him/her
[09:17] <philipballew> its a very cultural thing that determines what happens to them and their gender
[09:18] <seidos> gender?  or sex?
[09:19] <seidos> this song is win:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpRfC8Vl1q4
[09:19] <philipballew> gender.
[09:20] <seidos> it's like transcendental nirvanic potential pure abode
[09:20] <seidos> cultural pretty much encapsulates all human behavior
[09:20] <seidos> form choices
[09:20] <iheartubuntu> its good
[09:20] <seidos> magic
[09:21] <seidos> unreal acting, not real hell
[09:21] <seidos> fear the pain, not the reaper
[09:22] <seidos> front lobe concentration causes drowsiness
[09:22] <iheartubuntu> another russian pop song.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHX8tIGPNAY
[09:22] <iheartubuntu> by the group "Vintage"
[09:22] <iheartubuntu> featuring Elena Korikova
[09:22] <iheartubuntu> very popular overthere
[09:22] <seidos> future communicates with the past
[09:22] <philipballew> these russians know how to boogie
[09:22] <seidos> manifestation in the now, of beings of tomorrow
[09:23] <iheartubuntu> there is a lot of subtext to the video
[09:23] <seidos> head in the clouds, feet on the ground
[09:23] <seidos> hermetic philosophy
[09:23] <seidos> as above so below
[09:24] <seidos> heaven and hell demand relinquishment
[09:24] <iheartubuntu> i wonder if gwibber crashed again
[09:24] <philipballew> i used it yesterday
[09:25] <seidos> reasons for placement in the matrix, invisible
[09:25] <iheartubuntu> nope. i posted that 30 minutes ago
[09:25] <iheartubuntu> u guys still at the punchbowl?
[09:25] <philipballew> are we talkin litteral punchbowl?
[09:25] <iheartubuntu> we can hit Dennys after this
[09:25] <seidos> haha "punch bowl", is that UFC?  MMA?
[09:26] <seidos> i never go to Denny's anymore
[09:26] <philipballew> im out of it. i live in the college bubble
[09:26] <seidos> after i was choked unconscious there
[09:26] <seidos> IHOP ftw
[09:26] <philipballew> come to sd and theres a denneys here!
[09:26] <seidos> let the fail crumble away
[09:26] <iheartubuntu> only when im coming down the 395
[09:26] <iheartubuntu> i usually got o a bakery, not dennys
[09:26] <seidos> this song isn't that great without the video
[09:26] <seidos> heh
[09:26] <iheartubuntu> haha
[09:27] <iheartubuntu> thats the clean version
[09:27] <seidos> porn music videos?
[09:27] <seidos> i won't mind if i'm not around to see it
[09:27] <seidos> what is the cost for formed bliss?
[09:27] <iheartubuntu> its typical russian pop. im not saying yay or nay
[09:28] <seidos> how many butchered bodies line the road to Eternal Entanglement?
[09:29] <seidos> possible and impossible are unknown, not even probable is calculated by mere unscientific mortals
[09:29] <iheartubuntu> im seeing double
[09:29] <seidos> precogs lay in sensory deprivation tanks
[09:29] <philipballew> glass of water always helps!
[09:30] <seidos> i'm almost ready to let consciousness slip into oblivion, only rearise again
[09:30] <seidos> perhaps a metaphor for being itself
[09:30] <seidos> where are the flatliners to verify it?
[09:30] <iheartubuntu> fudge bar
[09:30] <seidos> i don't trust doctors
[09:31] <seidos> they probably already did it at the CIA
[09:31] <seidos> they may even be watching now
[09:31] <seidos> high on dimethyltriptamine
[09:31] <philipballew> but the cia uses linux?
[09:31] <iheartubuntu> dmt huh?
[09:31] <seidos> beats me
[09:31] <iheartubuntu> i believe some groups
[09:31] <seidos> i'm not in the CIA :|
[09:31] <seidos> where are the men who stare at goats?
[09:31] <philipballew> were all in the cia
[09:32] <philipballew> employed as test subjects!
[09:32] <iheartubuntu> not if youre at the punchbowl
[09:32] <seidos> who's the NOC?
[09:32] <seidos> oh damn
[09:32]  * seidos gets knocked out at the punchbowl
[09:32] <philipballew> i really need to get more knowlege of this punchbowl thing
[09:33] <seidos> maybe it's where charlie sheen knocks me out
[09:34] <philipballew> its funny it took a natural distster to get him off the news
[09:34] <iheartubuntu> yah
[09:34] <iheartubuntu> #punchbowl
[09:34] <seidos> here's another pleasant tune:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5ti4OERTiw
[09:34] <seidos> push
[09:35] <iheartubuntu> thats melodic
[09:35] <iheartubuntu> very good tune
[09:38] <iheartubuntu> has anyone here finished the UCP?
[09:39] <iheartubuntu> Ubuntu Certified Professional
[09:39] <philipballew> how long does that take to do?
[09:40] <iheartubuntu> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=533
[09:40] <iheartubuntu> Its either $350 or $400
[09:40] <iheartubuntu> no idea. im still doing it in my spare time... which is zero right now
[09:40] <philipballew> would i do that on my own or a school somewhere
[09:41] <philipballew> i wonder if anyone has spare time
[09:41] <philipballew> not me personally but i as in people
[09:42] <iheartubuntu> its just a PDF course
[09:42] <iheartubuntu> then go to a testing facility for the exam
[09:42] <iheartubuntu> although the new course says it replaces several older ones
[09:43] <iheartubuntu> so the exam might even be online now
[09:43] <iheartubuntu> dont know
[09:43] <iheartubuntu> i bought it
[09:43] <seidos> i don't place much value in certs
[09:43] <iheartubuntu> but its the old course
[09:43] <philipballew> is that testing place in europe
[09:43] <seidos> i'd rather try building something
[09:43] <iheartubuntu> its online
[09:43] <iheartubuntu> testing facilties around the USA too
[09:43] <iheartubuntu> i need some sort of training
[09:44] <seidos> training?  persistence.  what do you want to build?
[09:44] <seidos> my problem isn't training, it's lack of motivation
[09:44] <seidos> i should build an ecommerce config for my site
[09:45] <seidos> i wonder if content in a database is indexed just as good as straight html by google
[09:48] <iheartubuntu> thats scary
[09:48] <iheartubuntu> there must be some redundancy so google couldnt just query anything.
[09:48] <iheartubuntu> some sort of wall
[09:50] <iheartubuntu> have you heard of the SuperGamer LiveCD? its actually a DVD
[09:50] <iheartubuntu> Quake Wars
[09:50] <iheartubuntu> Doom 3
[09:50] <iheartubuntu> Prey
[09:50] <iheartubuntu> Unreal Tournament
[09:50] <iheartubuntu> Quake 4
[09:51] <iheartubuntu> whoops
[09:53] <iheartubuntu> http://supergamer.org/
[09:53] <iheartubuntu> its like 8GB so needs a dual layer dvd
[09:53] <philipballew> iheartubuntu, look at the wiki. if its horrible im sorry
[09:54] <iheartubuntu> you guys are the BEST
[09:55] <iheartubuntu> i will give you my pinky finger
[09:55] <iheartubuntu> with #tigerblood i dont need all my fingers anyways
[09:55] <philipballew> with ketchep hopefully...
[09:55] <philipballew> to sick
[09:56] <iheartubuntu> fish fingers
[09:57] <iheartubuntu> Its fast approaching 3am... The quote of the hour is: "Nothing good happens after 3am". DONG - DONG - DONG goes the bell.
[09:58] <iheartubuntu> I'll have a quote for you at 4am too
[09:58] <iheartubuntu> if im not passed out
[09:58] <philipballew> what could be better
[09:59] <iheartubuntu> then what
[10:01] <philipballew> fish fingers!!!
[10:01] <iheartubuntu> ohh no
[10:01] <iheartubuntu> thats the new word of the hour?
[10:01] <iheartubuntu> youve replaced punchbowl?
[10:01] <iheartubuntu> seidos... r u diggin the fish fingers?
[10:02] <seidos> nah man
[10:02] <seidos> fish fingers aren't clean
[10:03] <philipballew> i just ate fish sticks...
[10:03] <philipballew> that is kinda fishy
[10:04] <seidos> there's something wrong about that
[10:04] <seidos> aside from the overfishing that's going on
[10:04] <philipballew> i see the ocean. perhaps i should go fishing
[10:05] <seidos> i watched the 1986 transformers cartoon
[10:06] <iheartubuntu> 1986
[10:07] <iheartubuntu> nine teen eighty six
[10:07] <iheartubuntu> 9teen8t6
[10:07] <seidos> it was better than i thought
[10:07] <seidos> unicron
[10:07] <unicron> ah, nickname is registered :(
[10:07] <iheartubuntu> haa
[10:08] <iheartubuntu> 3 hours to go
[10:08] <unicron> until what?
[10:08] <unicron> work/
[10:08] <obiwan-kenobi> dang, so is this one
[10:08] <obiwan-kenobi> it's no fun when there is registered nicknames :(
[10:08] <obiwan-kenobi> this should be a place where people where masks
[10:12] <iheartubuntu> what does it say when a nick is taken?
[10:12] <iheartubuntu> but u are still able to use it/
[10:12] <iheartubuntu> ?
[10:14] <seidos> just that nickserv isn't enforcing it for some reason
[10:14] <seidos> i am no longer accomplishing anything useful
[10:15] <seidos> i should sleep
[10:16] <iheartubuntu> agreed
[10:16] <iheartubuntu> i need to find some fuel
[10:17] <seidos> fare well ubuntu white collars
[10:18] <iheartubuntu> you too kev
[10:18] <iheartubuntu> thank you
[10:19] <iheartubuntu> aufweidersehen
[11:08] <iheartubuntu>  St. Patrick’s Day (today) is the traditional time for sowing green peas.
[11:35] <iheartubuntu> Suicide Bombers. What makes them tick?
[16:10] <iheartubuntu> I will be ordering from the Ubuntu Store today. Check it out & let me know if you are interested...
[16:10] <iheartubuntu> http://shop.canonical.com/
[16:10] <iheartubuntu> more details here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2011-March/001589.html
[16:12] <iheartubuntu> There are definitely some beautiful items, like a USB chip with Ubuntu on it and the Ubuntu mouse which lights up orange.
[16:13] <iheartubuntu> I have a couple of requests so far. Please let me know by 11:00pm tonight
[18:39] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: ping
[18:39] <iheartubuntu> pong
[18:40] <DarkwingDuck> To answer to your question yes. and I will be finishing that interview email today at some point
[18:40] <iheartubuntu> ohh thank you
[18:40] <iheartubuntu> :D
[18:54] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: added
[19:01] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: lemme know if there is anything else you need
[19:12] <iheartubuntu> bows. thank you David
[19:14] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: Anytime Dave
[20:10] <iheartubuntu> I didnt quite catch the report, but the radiation being leaked is from tritium? (not sure which -ium it was) and that iodine/iodide would not help
[21:03] <seidos> i saw a map of chernobyl's nuclear fallout, if the same thing happened in Japan california could be at risk
[21:03] <seidos> which made me wonder what i would do
[21:03] <nhaines> It's impossible for it to happen in Japan.
[21:05] <seidos> different nuclear technology?
[21:05] <seidos> i also wondered what would happen here in CA if we had a 9.0
[21:07] <seidos> for the record i hope you're right ^_^
[21:09] <nhaines> 9.0 would be pretty devestating but it would also be pretty safe... Japan survived the earthquake very well.
[21:12] <kdub> they were just saying on KFI about how many LA concrete buildings don't live up to code though...
[21:16] <jtatum> good thing you don't live in LA
[21:17] <seidos> i live in the burbs of LA :)
[21:18] <jtatum> oh damn, sorry
[21:19] <seidos> i think the tsunami did the most damage in Japan
[21:19] <seidos> not sure how likely a tsunami would be, probably not very
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> im NE of LA
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> but then pasadena is pretty close
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> what 10 miles?
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> 5-10
[21:37] <seidos> i just read the nuclear cloud should hit LA on friday
[21:37] <seidos> it is estimated that the health effects are minimal
[21:37] <seidos> hopefully i grow an extra air hole :P
[21:39] <seidos> so i think i just discovered why there is all this panic and a rush to buy geiger counters and iodide pills
[21:39] <seidos> alex jones
[21:41] <iheartubuntu> i have a geiger counter
[21:41] <iheartubuntu> its a small handheld
[21:42] <iheartubuntu> only goes to 10 mR
[21:42] <iheartubuntu> use it a work to test equipment
[21:42] <iheartubuntu> and radiative projects
[21:42] <iheartubuntu> radioactive
[21:44] <iheartubuntu> im following the RussiaToday tweets. They seem to update often
[21:45] <seidos> so, you use the geiger counter to tell you when to bolt?
[21:46]  * iheartubuntu probably looked stupid holding it outside a little while ago :)
[21:46] <seidos> because the government will wait until the last possible moment to tell you the truth, since they want to prevent panic?
[21:46] <iheartubuntu> im not picking up anything anyways
[21:46] <seidos> seriously though, what if a horrific radiation cloud was headed our way?
[21:46] <iheartubuntu> my uranium rock sets it off more than anything
[21:46] <seidos> the only feasible survival option is retreat
[21:46] <iheartubuntu> go underground
[21:46] <iheartubuntu> mine shafts would me smart
[21:47] <seidos> yeah that isn't an option, i don't know where any mine shafts are
[21:47] <iheartubuntu> go find a torrent with some army books about nuclear fallout an such
[21:47] <iheartubuntu> get to a low point
[21:47] <seidos> hmmm, what direction is the best
[21:47] <iheartubuntu> seal windows
[21:47] <seidos> north east probably
[21:47] <iheartubuntu> not into the wind
[21:48] <iheartubuntu> google wind patterns of southern california
[21:48] <seidos> i imagine the wind goes south east from japan
[21:48] <seidos> then blows into nevada
[21:48] <iheartubuntu> i was becoming less concerned until i realized its going to rain off and on the next week or two
[21:48] <seidos> unless we get santa anas
[21:48] <seidos> nuclear rain
[21:48] <seidos> sounds like a cool name for a song :D
[21:48] <iheartubuntu> we can do a jam session again tonite
[21:48] <iheartubuntu> at 3am
[21:49] <seidos> i think it would be cool if i could just stay put, and make jokes while my proteins decay
[21:49] <iheartubuntu> i'll bring the punch
[21:49] <seidos> the hawaiian punch?
[21:49] <iheartubuntu> from the punch bowl
[21:49] <seidos> you bring the punch, i'll bring the blast
[21:50] <iheartubuntu> pills wont help, this is a diff kind of radiation
[21:50] <seidos> pills?  who said anything about pills?
[21:50] <seidos> dude, someone pour some punch on the curb for the dude that died of radiation poisoning who worked on the manhattan project
[21:51] <seidos> John Cusack played him in the movie
[21:54] <iheartubuntu> i did not realize google funds almost 90% of firefox development
[21:54] <iheartubuntu> chrome would become the defacto browser then
[22:06] <seidos> i wonder if they used firefox source to make chrome
[22:07] <pleia2> I like to think that google is smart enough to see the value in a browser market with many players, firefox is wildly successful as an open source project, it probably be a mistake to drop funding in spite of chrome
[22:07] <seidos> as long as chromium is open source, it can be forked
[22:08] <seidos> maybe that's what will happen
[22:08] <seidos> chromium gets forked to ff 5
[22:08] <seidos> change the name, spruce up the logo
[22:10] <seidos> it doesn't look like their are any plans to implement the multithreading support that chrome has in ff
[22:11] <iheartubuntu> multithreading?
[22:11] <seidos> isn't that what it is?
[22:11] <seidos> each tab is a different process?
[22:11] <iheartubuntu> doesnt J Lo do multithreading?
[22:12] <seidos> i better double check
[22:12] <seidos> probably, since she's a winner
[22:13] <pleia2> multithreading and different process for tabs are different things
[22:14] <seidos> do you have a link i can read?
[22:14] <pleia2> related, but you can have a multithreaded browser without spawning different processes for different tabs
[22:14] <pleia2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(computer_science)
[22:14] <seidos> nevermind
[22:14] <seidos> which is faster?
[22:15] <pleia2> that question doesn't really make sense
[22:15] <pleia2> using different processes for tabs can be a type of multithreading
[22:15] <seidos> no, i think it is multithreaded
[22:16] <seidos> as each tab is a subprocess of the main process
[22:16] <pleia2> multithreading at the basic level is the ability for an application to spawn separate processes (threads), and on multi-core system these can land on different cores to spread the load
[22:16] <seidos> processes are typically independent, while threads exist as subsets of a process
[22:16] <pleia2> f-spot is not multithreaded, for instance
[22:16] <pleia2> but a lot of linux apps are
[22:17] <seidos> i guess it depends on what "independent" means.  i would think that the processes in chrome are not independent.  if the main process is closed then all tabs (threads?) are closed
[22:18] <seidos> this is an interesting one:  processes have separate address spaces, whereas threads share their address space
[22:21] <seidos> i think it is multithreaded, though i couldn't find anything from google stating as such
[22:21] <seidos> i'll ask in #chromium
[22:21] <pleia2> yeah, I don't know the specifics about how chrome/chromium does it
[22:22] <seidos> here's an interesting link:  http://www.taranfx.com/firefox-to-go-multi-threaded-for-multicores
[22:22] <seidos> supposedly firefox is going multithreaded
[22:22] <kdub> fork() is one of the coolest system calls to read about
[22:22] <seidos> that would be nice, as it's what i use
[22:22] <seidos> i made a fork bomb once
[22:23] <seidos> i think i still have it somewhere
[22:23] <seidos> weeeeeee
[22:27] <seidos> er, that link is old.
[22:27] <seidos> well, i got this from the #chromium-support fellows:  http://blog.chromium.org/2008/09/multi-process-architecture.html
[22:29] <kdub> any way its threaded, the bottleneck is still probably gonna be bandwidth
[22:31] <seidos> firefox is considerably less responsive than chromium on my system
[22:32] <seidos> multiple tabs that are kept open
[22:32] <seidos> if i keep only text based sites open it isn't noticeable
[22:32] <seidos> of course, that's slower if i have to reopen a page like gmail
[22:35] <seidos> i have conlcuded that threads exist within a process, and are not displayed separately in the task manager
[22:36] <seidos> so chromium is multi-threaded and multi-process
[23:03]  * DarkwingDuck pokes pleia2 
[23:04] <pleia2> hi2u DarkwingDuck
[23:05] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: does KVM emulate hardware or, use hardware? Like for effects or unity 3D
[23:06] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: I've never actually used kvm with a proper gui before, it uses the hardware virt stuff in the kernel but I don't know about 3d stuff
[23:06]  * pleia2 downloading daily natty test built to experiment
[23:06] <pleia2> s/built/build
[23:06] <DarkwingDuck> I like the ease of use from VirtualBox
[23:07] <DarkwingDuck> But, it emulates EVERYTHING
[23:07] <pleia2> I seem to recall ted talking about the need for on hardware testing for unity because of it's 3d accelerationness
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> and that's what I'm looking for
[23:08] <pleia2> http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#guestadd-3d
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> Not just for something I'm working on (Unity from KDE user point of view) But, even my own testing
[23:08] <pleia2> looks like current vbox has addon support which tries
[23:10] <DarkwingDuck> for virtualbox?
[23:10] <pleia2> vbox == virtualbox
[23:10] <DarkwingDuck> works 65, 70% of the time... that means it fails 30-35%
[23:10] <pleia2> yeah
[23:10] <pleia2> turns out that 3d in VMs is hard :)
[23:11] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[23:11] <DarkwingDuck> But, I really really don't want to dualboot
[23:12] <iheartubuntu> i have natty at home on 64 bit and its still not entirely fun to use
[23:12] <iheartubuntu> i mean in vbox
[23:14] <jtatum> 65% of the time it works every time
[23:17] <DarkwingDuck> I'll just wait till I get my desktop
[23:18] <DarkwingDuck> I'm gonna do some fun server stuff with it anyway..
[23:18] <DarkwingDuck> Plis, having a static IP is fun
[23:18] <DarkwingDuck> *Plus
[23:22] <seidos> i'm going to put alpha 3 on my live usb
[23:22] <seidos> it's easier to test installs with separate /home and /