[00:25] <jjesse> how's michigan today?
[00:34] <snap-l> It's happening. :)
[00:36] <jjesse> sounds like fun :)
[00:39] <widox> its warm here!
[00:40] <jjesse> 75 in florida today LP
[00:40] <jjesse> :P
[00:40] <jjesse> wow i can't type
[00:53] <greg-g> rick_h_: dude, congrats on teh fabric commits/authorship
[00:54] <jjesse> yay for rick_h_
[00:54] <jjesse> what is fabric?
[00:56] <greg-g> http://docs.fabfile.org/en/1.0.0/index.html
[00:59] <gamerchick02> gonna watch some tv
[00:59] <gamerchick02> see everyone tomorrow
[01:16] <jjesse> what is the version of libreoffice that is going to shp w/ ubuntu 11.04?
[01:56] <rick_h_> greg-g: thanks :)
[02:10] <greg-g> nixternal: yo, fix your blog! :) There is a link from this page to you blog that 404s http://taskwarrior.org/wiki/taskwarrior/AddOns
[05:26] <nixternal> greg-g: fixed, thanks for that heads up. .htaccess FTW!   redirect 301 /category/gtd /tag/gtd
[11:39] <wolfger> I see Jono's been hacking on Captcha.... one of today's words was "Community"
[11:48] <brousch> hm, did rick_h_ inspire the qtile lightening talk at pycon? http://panela.blog-city.com/pycon_2011_thoughts.htm
[12:15] <greg-g> nixternal: awesome :)
[13:06] <wolfger> Whee. Fun.
[13:11] <_stink_> morning
[13:12] <wolfger> is it, still?
[13:38] <greg-g> for a bit
[13:39] <rick_h_> ugh
[13:39] <rick_h_> zzzzzzzz
[13:39] <rick_h_> everyone cross your fingers I don't get molested today
[13:39]  * greg-g ponders the meaning of that
[13:39] <_stink_> gahaha
[13:39] <_stink_> oh, airplane
[13:39] <binbrain> rick_h_, score dude, you interviewed Chris McD
[13:40] <rick_h_> binbrain: heck yea
[13:40] <rick_h_> and mark ramm, and Michael Foord
[13:40] <rick_h_> need to get Mark ramms out here before I leave
[13:42] <wolfger> Molested? LoCoCast has crazed groupies?
[13:42] <rick_h_> I have to get on a plane in 4 hours
[13:43] <wolfger> Man, how can anybody be productive when they have to use Microsoft products?
[13:43] <wolfger> It's maddening?
[13:44] <wolfger> s/\?/\!/
[13:46] <wolfger> I mean, heaven forbid you actually highlight exactly what you want....
[13:46] <wolfger> Microsoft knows better than you, and will automatically highlight more than that
[13:47] <wolfger> whether you like it or not
[13:47] <wolfger> so many wasted keystrokes
[13:52] <rick_h_> gah, can't find a good image for something
[13:52] <rick_h_> don't want to just rip something off google images :/
[13:52] <_stink_> conjure brousch to make you one
[13:53] <brousch> my magical inkscape powers are ever at your disposal
[13:54] <greg-g> rick_h_: flickr CC search not working?
[13:54] <rick_h_> greg-g: well it's not built for it
[13:55] <rick_h_> it's all good, just ranting my disappointment
[13:55] <greg-g> :)
[13:56] <wolfger> save it for the podcast ;-)
[14:07] <rick_h_> more pycon awesomeness for you all http://lococast.net/archives/436
[14:07] <rick_h_> thanks for all of your RT and such spreading the word
[14:19] <nixternal> ruby developers always tell me, 'once you start coding with ruby, you will realize python sucks and you will never go back'.   well I have recently been trying to learn ruby, and i must say...it isn't fun to learn, i still want to go back to python, i am not enjoying this learning process :/
[14:20] <nixternal> yeah, this is the ChiPy channel :/
[14:20] <rick_h_> lol, that's ok, we can agre
[14:20] <rick_h_> ruby looks great for sysadmin scripts
[14:20] <rick_h_> but I'd not want to build a big app with it
[14:20] <nixternal> i am interested in learning a little rails and playing with it
[14:20] <rick_h_> ugh, good luck
[14:20] <nixternal> i could care less about ruby so much, but need to know a little ruby in order to understand rails
[14:20] <rick_h_> give me pyramid over RoR any day
[14:21] <nixternal> well, DHH is a friend, and the other night while we were out he kept messing with me about Linux and Python, so i figured I would give it a try
[14:21] <rick_h_> the world is not AR and deployment/performance matters
[14:21] <rick_h_> gotcha
[14:22] <snap-l> Ruby was the first language I looked at after Perl / Java.
[14:22] <snap-l> and after those languages, Ruby looks quite nice
[14:22] <nixternal> i like java
[14:22] <snap-l> but once I broke my brain with Python, Ruby feels more like a hack than anything
[14:23] <nixternal> hey bastard snap-l. listening to an old lococast via amarok, and you just said you were on vacation in naperville. prick, that's where i live
[14:23] <snap-l> Python is a virus. ;)
[14:23] <snap-l> nixternal: orly? :)
[14:23] <snap-l> nixternal: Shit. I was over at the hotel next to Alcatel / Lucent.
[14:23] <nixternal> pretty much, yes. i can get there by bike in about 15 minutes
[14:23] <nixternal> oh yeah, dumb ass, we talked about that
[14:24] <snap-l> Well, I'll likely be back there in the future
[14:24] <snap-l> so I'll call you. :)
[14:24] <nixternal> most def
[14:24] <wolfger> snap-l: Python is a virus; Perl is the cure?
[14:24] <snap-l> antidote, yes. Cure, not sure. ;)
[14:25] <rick_h_> psh, perl is that disease all the rich people are funding to find a cure for so it never exists any more :P
[14:25] <wolfger> and, "Gee... I can't imagine why you didn't give a shout-out to nixternal when you were in town, considering how kindly he speaks to you..." :-)
[14:25] <snap-l> rick_h_: We'll just keep on playing with our dead language, thank you.
[14:25] <brousch> perl, the malaria of programming languages
[14:25] <rick_h_> :)
[14:25] <snap-l> And when you run into something that you can't do with any other language, you'll know what emergency handle to reach for. ;)
[14:25] <nixternal> shush wolfger
[14:25] <rick_h_> I'll just go use awk, I respect it
[14:26] <nixternal> i woke up way to freakin' early this morning
[14:26] <Milyardo> Whats wrong with perl?
[14:26] <wolfger> It sucks for GUI programming
[14:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: You'll use awk and not Perl?
[14:26] <rick_h_> I'm a hater, I like to have an array of hates and perl lost out in the programming space
[14:26] <nixternal> nothing to be honest. i just suck at regex, so perl hasn't always been my best friend
[14:26] <rick_h_> snap-l: kind of being a bit funny
[14:26] <snap-l> Who's the crazy now, rick_h_ ?
[14:27]  * rick_h_ pokes pokes the buttons
[14:27] <snap-l> challenge accepted. ;)
[14:27] <rick_h_> ok, so checkout isn't until noon, have time to eat cheap food outside the airport now. yay
[14:28] <snap-l> Hurray for not having to eat a $10 bagel and coffee!
[14:31] <wolfger> Airports: You'll give up your basic human rights, and pay through the nose for the privelage.
[14:46] <jrwren> anyone use campfire for chat?
[14:47] <jrwren> plz dont' talk smack about perl. its beautiful.
[14:50] <rick_h_>  nope, we're a jabber shop
[14:52] <jrwren> snap-l: what challenge did you accept?
[14:52] <jrwren> you use a jabber to irssi bridge?
[14:52] <jrwren> bitlbee at all?
[14:52] <rick_h_> yea, I use that
[14:53] <snap-l> jrwren: rick_h_ was pushing my buttons, so I accepted his challenge. ;)
[14:53] <rick_h_> but for work use pidgin because we do strange dns stuff for our jabber server at work
[14:53] <jrwren> I found a campfire to jabber bridge... but it feels strange to use 2 bridges
[14:53] <rick_h_> but use bitlebee for google chat, etc
[15:09] <binbrain> grub
[16:40] <rick_h_> woot, tether ftw
[16:43] <snap-l> working on lococast foo. ;)
[16:44] <snap-l> I also just made the best into transition of my entire career. :)
[16:44] <wolfger> pycon = lococast foo; penguicon = lococast bar?
[16:44] <rick_h_> awesome
[16:44] <snap-l> wolfger: But of course.;)
[16:45] <snap-l> Yay, cloudkicker CD arrived in the mail!
[16:50] <snap-l> http://cloudkicker.bandcamp.com
[16:53] <jrwren> http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/03/googles-android-faces-serious-linux.html
[16:53] <jrwren> i'm super annoyed that there are not any actual claims there.
[16:54] <jrwren> its a load of pontification
[16:54] <snap-l> Since when have facts gotten in the way of an argumentative FUD article?
[16:55] <jrwren> no idea.
[16:55] <snap-l> It's some "IP Activist" looking to stir up some shit about Android
[16:55] <jrwren> i really hope this goes to court and is judged upon, not settled.
[16:56] <jrwren> because if the court rules in fav of google, it will open up copyright and redefine fair use.
[16:56] <snap-l> jrwren: Oh come now, that's not how we play in the new economy
[16:56] <jrwren> i know.
[16:56] <snap-l> nothing is ever final; just a lot of accusations and quiet settlements
[16:56] <jrwren> I know ;_;
[16:57] <snap-l> courts cost money. Settlements cost less money
[16:57] <jrwren> i've never heard of htis bionic. sounds like a port of old bsd libc to run on modern linux kernel.
[16:57] <snap-l> and you don't lose in a settlement
[16:57] <jrwren> man, I remember hte libc5 to libc6 move... *sigh*
[16:57] <snap-l> you too?
[16:57] <jrwren> I know ;_;
[16:57] <snap-l> That was fuuuuun
[16:57] <jrwren> snap-l: it was so not fun... but I learned a fuck ton migrating a system.
[16:59] <wolfger> uh... wtf?
[16:59] <snap-l> http://saveie6.com/
[16:59] <rick_h_> woot, getting massive RT run
[16:59] <jrwren> actually... the really bad part is that if entire APIs are (C)able... things like Wine will be dead and gone
[16:59] <wolfger> Google may have copied some GPL stuff, ergo Angry Birds might have to release its code?
[16:59] <jrwren> not to mention that GNU impl of nextstep
[16:59] <wolfger> I don't get that
[17:00] <jrwren> wolfger: read the whole article, they do eventually make a point.
[17:01] <jrwren> clicking the download link on saveie6.com is funny
[17:01] <wolfger> jrwren: working on it. Just wanted to toss my wtf out there before the discussion dies :-D
[17:02] <snap-l> jrwren: heh
[17:05] <snap-l> Amazon is currently having a problem with their storage network, Please stand by.
[17:06] <snap-l> love, reddit.
[17:06] <wolfger> I don't get it...
[17:06] <snap-l> That's the current error message on reddit
[17:06] <jrwren> O_O
[17:06] <jrwren> poor amazon
[17:06] <wolfger> he's claiming that nothing can contain Linux header files without being GPL'd, yet Google created Bionic from libc which is BSD, not GPL.
[17:07] <jcastro> snap-l: today is permanent waves day for me
[17:07] <wolfger> so is libc also under attack here?
[17:07] <jrwren> google bionic... why didn't they just use ulibc ?
[17:07] <jrwren> google's use of libc is underattack, yes.
[17:08] <wolfger> I also love how he firmly founds his argument on what Linus said, and then quietly admits "Neither Linus nor I are lawyers."
[17:08] <jrwren> oh, ulibc is lgpl.. i didn't know... not that it should mater.
[17:08] <jrwren> then he cites 2 lawyers. keep reading.
[17:10] <wolfger> first lawyer "points out that he hasn't examined the facts"
[17:13] <snap-l> jcastro: Awesome. :)
[17:13] <wolfger> "If a court of law finds that the Bionic library indeed contains copyrightable GPL'd software, the distribution of all software compiled against Bionic -- and of devices containing such software -- will have to stop until there is full compliance with the GPL."
[17:14] <tjagoda> So
[17:14] <wolfger> That's a huge difference from the earlier BS statement that Angry Birds and Adobe Flash would have to give up the source.
[17:14] <tjagoda> I have to design a web database which holds product configuration info
[17:14] <tjagoda> what existing product can I most easily hack into doing this?
[17:15] <snap-l> That's like saying that Corel had to OSS Word Perfect because it linked with libc
[17:15] <snap-l> Old arguments, new players
[17:17] <snap-l> All we need is someone saying that 2011 is the year of the Android phone, and we'll be living la vida 1996
[17:18] <snap-l> er, 1999. ;)
[17:19] <wolfger> 2011 is the year of the Linux phonetop. XD
[17:22] <tjagoda> Nobody has suggestions for how to make my custom app design easier
[17:22] <tjagoda> How dare you all not been immediately suited to my needs
[17:23] <snap-l> ???
[17:26] <wolfger> That article really sounds a lot like "SCO ownz all ur Linux". s/SCO/GNU/ && s/Linux/Android/
[17:27] <wolfger> Lots of general comments regarding vague claims.
[17:28] <wolfger> One non-lawyer who said something years ago before Android exists, one lawyer guessing possibilities while not actually studying the discussed situation...
[17:29] <wolfger> Why did I waste precious minutes of my life reading that?
[17:29] <wolfger> Oh, right, jrwren kept saying I should keep reading. :-p
[17:30] <jrwren> http://www.brownrudnick.com/nr/pdf/alerts/Brown%20Rudnick%20Advisory%20The%20Bionic%20Library-Did%20Google%20Work%20Around%20The%20GPL.pdf
[17:30] <jrwren> there is a good legal analysis of it.
[17:31] <jrwren> yes, this time by a lawyer
[17:31] <jrwren> wolfger: Adobe Flash and EVERYTHING on a phone compiled against Bionic, which would then have to comply with GPL.
[17:31] <jrwren> so it was a valid statement.
[17:31] <jrwren> Dalvik would have to be GPL
[17:31] <jrwren> so everything writing in JAva for Dalvik would have to be GPL
[17:32] <jrwren> so everything in the Android storewould have to be GPL
[17:32] <jrwren> remember, this is a "virus" license :)
[17:32] <jrwren> snap-l: libc isn't GPL, its LGPL
[17:32] <jrwren> so its nothing like saying corel had to OSS WordPerfect
[17:33] <wolfger> libc is BSD licensed
[17:33] <jrwren> i said glibc didn't I?
[17:33] <jrwren> oh sorry.
[17:33] <jrwren> glibc.
[17:34] <wolfger> Bionic was built from libc, according to previous waste-of-time story
[17:34] <snap-l> jrwren: Right, but there was a confusion for a while about what linking to glibc meant.
[17:34] <jrwren> snap-l: only confusion by the completely uninformed.
[17:34] <snap-l> gee, there's a surprise. ;)
[17:35] <snap-l> I remember one argumen that folks made for not porting things to Linux was because you had to GPL your code with was BS
[17:36] <jrwren> http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob_plain;f=LICENSES;hb=HEAD
[17:36] <wolfger> right.... what snap-l said
[17:36] <jrwren> http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob_plain;f=COPYING;hb=HEAD
[17:36] <jrwren> it is GPL, not LGPL, my bad.
[17:37] <wolfger> If Adobe doesn't have to release Flash code for Flash on Linux, why would they have to release it for Flash on Android?
[17:37] <wolfger> Also, I don't think it would stand up in court that "well, the library you used was actually GPL, and not what it claimed to be, so now you must GPL your software too."
[17:38] <jrwren> you aren't reading correctly.
[17:38] <snap-l> @cjoh: Don't understand why the NYTimes doesn't put a picture of Jimmy Wales at the top and just ask people for money.
[17:38] <wolfger> If that worked, FSF would be out there falsely releasing "safe" libraries all over the place, then saying "Whoops! That library was a violation of GPL. Now the entire world must release source code."
[17:39] <snap-l> wolfger: Yeah, because RMS is a plotting SOB
[17:39] <wolfger> tinfoil hats do that to people
[17:40] <snap-l> It's the end of the world as we know it
[17:40] <jrwren> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2773437/glibc-philosophical-question
[17:40] <_stink_> crap, i missed an IP law discussion?
[17:40] <snap-l> and I feel FIIIIIIINNEEE
[17:40] <_stink_> oh, still going on.
[17:40] <wolfger> jrwren: OK, if I'm not reading correctly, please tell me (without use of a URL) how we get from "Google might be infringing copyright" to "3rd party vendors will have to release source code"
[17:41] <jrwren> wolfger: ugh, I don't want to quote copyright law to you and then paste you the GPL
[17:43] <wolfger> So in other words... I'm reading it exactly right, and just not coming to the conclusion that fool on that blog came to.
[17:43] <wolfger> The non-lawyer righting about copyright issues on a patent blog.... :-/
[17:43] <wolfger> ack s/righting/writing/
[17:43] <snap-l> patent and copyrght law is like interpretive dance
[17:44] <snap-l> everyone does it differently, and interprets it differently.
[17:44] <jrwren> and history.
[17:45] <jrwren> every GPL settlement has been resolved by righting hte GPL wrong.
[17:45] <snap-l> precisely
[17:45] <snap-l> mostly because few people want to be considered as a dick
[17:45] <wolfger> ah, history...  Good. So you have some example from history of somebody who had to release source code because suddenly a library he used was forced to become GPL?
[17:46] <jrwren> in this case that would mean GPL of android and bionic and thus dalvik too
[17:46] <jrwren> wolfger: yes, see linksys case.
[17:46] <snap-l> esp when you are relying on the charity of others.
[17:47] <jrwren> although google does have enough $$$, they could give every linux contributor who makes a claim $1,000,000 and get a private license that way.
[17:47] <binbrain> jrwren: didn't that happen with busybox as well, forgot the company
[17:47] <jrwren> binbrain: yes.
[17:47] <tjagoda> Poll:  Best language to write a custom business web app which takes information from humans and stores it into a historical database?
[17:47] <brousch> tjagoda: your question was lost in the angry froth. MS Access is what you need
[17:47] <jrwren> tjagoda: C#
[17:47] <tjagoda> Geah
[17:47] <tjagoda> And also no
[17:47] <tjagoda> No machine level nonsense
[17:47] <tjagoda> =P
[17:48] <_stink_> tjagoda: LOLCODE
[17:48] <jrwren> by historical it sounds like you mean temporal
[17:48] <jrwren> temporal databases can be a real bitch.
[17:48] <jrwren> C# is not "machine level"
[17:48] <tjagoda> I would much rather script it than literally code it
[17:48] <tjagoda> Its also a web app
[17:48] <tjagoda> Which will probably handshake mysql
[17:49] <brousch> so, a mostly pre-built database-backed webapp?
[17:49] <jrwren> script it v. code it.  I don't understand the difference.
[17:49] <Blazeix> at the risk of being /kickbanned from #ubuntu-us-mi, sharepoint?
[17:49] <_stink_> i was waiting for someone to say that.
[17:49] <brousch> some sort of cms will get you most of the way there: plone, drupal
[17:50] <tjagoda> I hate sharepoint
[17:50] <_stink_> jrwren++
[17:50] <tjagoda> We use sharepoint for document libraries
[17:50] <binbrain> sharepoint is the worst
[17:50] <jrwren> i said C#, not sharepoint.
[17:50] <jrwren> i never recommend sharepoint
[17:50] <wolfger> jrwren: I see one huge difference there. Linksys sells hardware, not software. To fight it and switch chips would have had a huge economic impact on them. Adobe would much more likely say "screw you" and pull Flash off the Android market. Wouldn't cost them a penny to do so.
[17:50] <tjagoda> jrwren: I am not talking to you
[17:50] <tjagoda> Was responding to blazeix
[17:51] <snap-l> wolfger: And it would be one less platform for Flash to be on
[17:51] <jrwren> i was responsing to Blazeix too
[17:51] <snap-l> wolfger: And Adobe needs Android to stay competitive in the mobile market.
[17:52] <brousch> tjagoda: maybe even a wiki
[17:52] <tjagoda> I think it would be hard to get a good interface in a wiki
[17:52] <brousch> well see, this is why we need more information :P
[17:53] <Blazeix> I'm not a fan of sharepoint, either, but if you don't want to code, and want a web-form that keeps track of history, you're going to be stuck with a kludge of an application.
[17:53] <jrwren> do you really need a temporal aspect?
[17:53] <brousch> kludge?
[17:53] <jrwren> or do you just need CRUD?
[17:54] <Blazeix> brousch: large, clumsy
[17:54] <brousch> i don't see why keeping track of history makes something big and clumsy
[17:56] <Blazeix> brousch: it's not just the snapshot history that makes it clumsy, it's all the other requirements, too.
[17:56] <Blazeix> namely a platform to make a custom business app that doesn't require coding.
[17:57] <brousch> yes, that one is the big issue i see
[17:57] <brousch> custom requires coding
[17:58] <brousch> unless you go with ms access, where you might not need to touch actual code
[17:58] <brousch> but then it's not a webapp
[17:59] <brousch> tjagoda: YOU ASK THE IMPOSSIBLE
[18:00] <wolfger> I'd like a custom app, without having to do any coding. I'd also like oxygen without breathing,  sustenance without eating, and inebriation without alcohol.
[18:01] <wolfger> :-p
[18:02] <Blazeix> well, it's possible, you'll just be stuck with a large application like plone or sharepoint
[18:02] <brousch> then hire jrwren to write it for yu ;)
[18:03] <wolfger> There are frameworks that allow you to pretend you're building a custom app without coding... But really they just hide the code behind a pretty GUI, and also limit the customizability of the resulting app.
[18:03] <Blazeix> well, of course. Everything boils down to code in the end.
[18:05] <jrwren> MS has a product coming out for htis called lightswitch.
[18:05] <jrwren> its web based multiuser access.
[18:05]  * brousch wonders if jrwren is serious or joking
[18:06] <wolfger> it does sound like a punchline is coming, doesn't it?
[18:06] <brousch> damn, it is a real thing
[18:06] <wolfger> I mean, the name "Lightswitch" is practically begging for one
[18:10] <wolfger> OK, now that GPL wars are out of our system, let's move on to something less controversial. How does everybody feel about nuclear power? :-p
[18:10] <_stink_> it's a good thing.
[18:11] <wolfger> I just love the way the media uses disasters and even *potential* disasters to play up people's fears
[18:11] <snap-l> I'm sorry, but when I hear people say that we stand with Japan, I can't help but think of the lyric "I think I'm turning Japanese"
[18:11]  * snap-l slaps himself
[18:12] <wolfger> nuclear power plants produce lots of energy with relatively little polution, but ZOMG what if a 9.0 earthquake damages it?!?
[18:12] <wolfger> snap-l: I really think so
[18:13] <snap-l> See? see?
[18:13] <jrwren> i was actually being serious. i wasn't actually recommending its use.
[18:14] <jrwren> wolfger: there was a GPL war?
[18:14] <jrwren> i must have missed it.
[18:14] <wolfger> LOL
[18:14] <wolfger> I overstate things
[18:14] <jrwren> me too
[18:15] <wolfger> can't we all just get along?
[18:15] <wolfger> s/along/drunk at Penguicon/
[18:28] <snap-l> Quick note: Rio Grande Games gets an A+ from me for their handling of Race for the Galaxy.
[18:28] <snap-l> Someone wrote a GPLed version of it, and they allowed him to use the artwork from the cards
[18:28] <snap-l> http://www.keldon.net/rftg/
[18:29] <wolfger> awesome
[18:32] <snap-l> It's nice to see someone not served with a takedown notice for using someone elses content.
[18:33] <jrwren> the charlie clouser remix of nine inch nails ruiner is awesome.
[18:33] <jrwren> i serve takedown notice with my fists
[18:33] <jcastro> snap-l: watch the wah wah documentary I just shared
[18:33] <jcastro> it's +++
[18:34] <snap-l> jcastro: I will.
[20:16] <Blazeix> anyone tried this? http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/gtk-32-will-let-you-run-any-application.html
[20:53] <ColonelPanic001> no, but looks interesting
[21:08] <binbrain> Blazeix: that's pretty sweet
[21:08] <snap-l> jcastro: You need this guitar: http://thenumberoftheblog.com/2010/03/16/why-i-fucking-hate-m-a-n-despite-never-having-heard-them/
[21:09] <jcastro> what is that
[21:10] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2006/03/14/take-it-in-your-hands-and-grasp-natures-majesty/ <- Looks like something from this collection
[21:14] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/images/bradford_deerblade.jpg
[21:48] <gamerchick02> lol
[21:48] <gamerchick02> i've seen those in the mail and newspaper
[21:49] <snap-l> seriously? Are they as bad as they seem?
[21:49] <gamerchick02> what? the knives?
[21:49] <snap-l> yeah
[21:49] <gamerchick02> i've never seen any in person, but the do look redneck-chic
[21:49] <snap-l> Ah, I thought you'd seen them in person
[21:49] <gamerchick02> no no no.
[21:50] <gamerchick02> in the newspaper and those mailer things you get from the post office
[21:50] <snap-l> I am sorely disappointed
[21:50] <snap-l> Yeah, that's where I saw that
[21:50] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2008/03/16/and-now-from-the-wtf-were-they-thinking-collection/
[21:52] <gamerchick02> jesus christ on a pogo stick those are freaky
[21:53] <gamerchick02> and yes, i have a gif of JC on a pogo stick. i've used it on tumblr. quite handy
[21:53] <snap-l> Yeah, me too
[21:58] <jcastro> HEY CRAIG
[21:58] <jcastro> and gamerchick02
[21:58] <jcastro> http://castrojo.blip.tv/file/4898822/
[21:59] <jcastro> you might need to fullscreen it to get the effect. :)
[21:59] <gamerchick02> hi jcastro, what's up?
[21:59] <jcastro> stefano's made it so you can just search Ask right from the dash
[21:59] <jcastro> and it'll search and return stuff
[21:59] <jcastro> aka. live help for the win
[22:00] <gamerchick02> hrm. cool. i've gotta update on the netbook, but after Saturday.
[22:00] <jcastro> it's ok he's only just working on it now and it's all insane to install it anyway
[22:00] <gamerchick02> is there going to be a Beta soon?
[22:00] <gamerchick02> of Natty, i mean?
[22:01] <jcastro> of the place
[22:01] <jcastro> beta's on the 24th or something iirc
[22:01] <gamerchick02> sweet. i think i'll wait til then. :)
[22:01] <jcastro> it's just so cool
[22:01] <jcastro> it will be so nice
[22:02] <gamerchick02> you're really excited for Unity, aren't you?
[22:02] <gamerchick02> i'm a little more reserved, but i'm looking forward to the changes. i'll be writing up a lengthy blog post about my experiences on my netbook and my laptop.
[22:04] <jcastro> I was talking about the Ask place
[22:05] <jcastro> but yeah, I guess Unity too
[22:05] <gamerchick02> oh. whoops.
[22:05] <gamerchick02> heh
[22:05] <jcastro> though I'm a browser guy
[22:05] <jcastro> I am a fan of anything that gets out of my way
[22:05] <gamerchick02> Chrome all the way over here.
[22:06] <jcastro> me too
[22:06] <gamerchick02> well, and chromium sometimes. and i've installed the FF beta.
[22:09] <gamerchick02> or, release candidate, rather.
[22:09] <snap-l> jcastro: That's intersting