c2tarunRiddell, ping03:04
c2tarunRiddell,you looked at amarok build? or should I file an upgrade bug for amarok in LP>03:04
* c2tarun phew finally dsl connection worked on kubuntu :D07:48
c2tarunRiddell: ping07:51
bambeeRiddell: by the way I uploaded koffice-l10n to revu (I'm not sure, but we can do that for the main archives ?)09:14
markey_nokiahey folks09:16
markey_nokiaRiddell: apachelogger: this link on Kubuntu.org is 404: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/kubuntu-10.04.1-alternate-amd64.iso09:16
markey_nokiafound this out yesterday, when we wanted to download it09:16
Riddellthanks bambee, will take a look shortly09:17
Riddellmarkey_nokia: hmm, we're on .2 now not .209:19
Riddellmarkey_nokia: hmm, we're on .2 now not .109:19
Riddellwhere did you find that link?09:19
markey_nokiaRiddell: typo then?09:19
markey_nokiaRiddell: it's the download link... bottom of "direct download" page09:19
Riddellthis page? http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download09:20
bambeeRiddell: you're welcome. There are other things to do ? (directly or indirectly for kubuntu)09:21
Riddellbambee: http://stefan.derkits.at/files/libmygpo-qt/ needs packaged for amarok09:30
Riddellmarkey_nokia: hmm well kubuntu.org seems just to have broken09:31
bambeeRiddell: Ok, I will package it09:32
markey_nokiaRiddell: hmm ok. looks like a simple typo in the URL, no?09:45
markey_nokia1 instead of 209:45
Riddellyes, something not updated since .2 was released09:46
Riddellbut now ubuntu.com is broken for me, tsk09:46
Riddellmarkey_nokia: pressing the Begin Download button gets the .2 for me09:48
markey_nokialemme try again...09:48
Riddellah hah, I see it09:48
markey_nokiaRiddell: definitely gets the .1  here, and we tried it on several computers09:49
Riddellyep, onto it09:50
Riddellmarkey_nokia: fixed, thanks09:55
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RiddellBinary only demotions to universe  o debconf-kde-helper                                            {debconf-kde}12:16
Riddelldo we want that?12:16
Riddelldantti: does kpackagekit need that or is the library enough?12:17
shadeslayerRiddell: uh .. you *can* disable them12:22
shadeslayerit's under settings12:22
Riddellshadeslayer: disable what?12:22
shadeslayerRiddell: google suggestions in rekonq12:22
Riddelloh right12:23
Riddelltell it to the microblogosphere :)12:23
shadeslayeri see the issue being resolved :P12:23
shadeslayeryou can't exactly disable them12:24
shadeslayerbecause it would break the inherent nature of the urlbar thingy12:24
Riddellwell make up your mind, you just said they could be12:24
shadeslayeryeah ... you can't .. i spoke too soon12:25
shadeslayerapachelogger: Riddell lolz http://www.wikipeetia.org/Ubuntu_(operateng_sytem)12:29
RiddellScottK: why do we want python bindings for an obsolete library (qt assistant)?12:37
ScottKRiddell: Because they're there, people might be using them, so we might as well.  Also it will enable us to sync python-qt4 from Debian.12:39
ScottKIn fact filing the sync request is on my TODO for this morning.12:40
Riddellsyncing that from debian is good12:41
Riddelladding support for obsolete libraries isn't good though12:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: very odd12:41
Riddellbut the sync wins out in goodness12:41
shadeslayerapachelogger: whaddup12:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: must you be highlighting me though?12:41
apacheloggerI am reverse engineering a ray tracer12:41
apacheloggerthis is madness!12:41
shadeslayerapachelogger: leave it ... it's madness12:42
apacheloggerhalf the lines of my description start with "assumption:" the other half with "educated guess:"12:42
ScottKRiddell: Filed.12:42
apacheloggerthough I have an evil plan to conclude all assumptions and guesses in the last sentence, when the big picture emerged from the mess of shitty code12:43
nigelbRiddell: hey, where can I get the image for the Kubuntu stickers you gave out?12:54
Riddellthe one with the broken typography?12:56
nigelblol, yeah12:56
Riddellbut you'd be better recreating it12:56
QuintasanRiddell: I heard you have Project Neon stickers apparently12:57
nigelbRiddell: oh, in that case, do you have the svg?12:57
nigelbQuintasan: I have a few :D12:57
Riddellnigelb: no I made it in Krita12:57
RiddellQuintasan: come to UDS if you want them12:57
nigelbRiddell: ah.  I suck at anything design, I might just use the same thing again.12:57
QuintasanRiddell: Make Canonical give me sponsorship for sure :D12:58
nigelbQuintasan: ok, since Riddell is using the UDS clause, I won't offer to mail to you.12:58
nigelbI only have like 5 to 6 which I grabbed from shadeslayer :P12:58
Quintasanshow me em12:59
shadeslayeri have a bunch of them as well12:59
nigelbI'm planning to take 6 sheets of Ubuntu and Kubuntu stickers so I have some at every conf to give out :D13:00
shadeslayerKewl :D13:01
danttiRiddell: the lib is enough13:18
apacheloggerNightrose: on the one hand you want non-technical submission and on the other you do not like me proposing talks about vodka or wine, make up your mind :P13:19
* Nightrose pokes apachelogger hard13:19
apacheloggerNightrose: how about ... "how to take over a dying project and make it sexy again"13:19
Nightrosesounds much better ;-)13:19
apacheloggerNightrose: is that non-technical enough?13:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: that sounds like Project Neon13:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: lets do a talk together13:41
shadeslayerDesktop Summit? :D13:41
shadeslayerYour room?13:42
* apachelogger writes some brainfuck13:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: dude ... i'm all for doing it, only constraint being, i don't want to be on a stage :P13:43
apacheloggerfair enough, you get a mic and sit in the audience13:44
shadeslayeri get to be the guy who takes the mike to everyone in the audience13:45
shadeslayerwhen they have questions ofcourse13:45
apacheloggerno questions allowed13:48
* apachelogger had bad experiences with questions13:48
markey_nokiahmm, gtk-recordMyDesktop fails here13:49
markey_nokiasome Python error13:49
markey_nokiais there a working alternative?13:49
markey_nokianeed a screencast recorder13:49
markey_nokia"AttributeError: TrayPopupMenu instance has no attribute 'popupmenu_continueitem'"13:50
ScottKWhat's the error?13:50
markey_nokiasee above :)13:50
markey_nokiaany ideas?13:51
shadeslayerapachelogger: haha :D13:52
ScottKmarkey_nokia: How about RecordItNow?13:52
markey_nokialemme check13:52
ScottKGoogle claims that's a Qt front end to it.13:52
shadeslayerthere is13:52
markey_nokia"The following packages have unmet dependencies:13:53
markey_nokiarecorditnow: Depends: libpolkit-qt-1-0 but it is not going to be installed"13:53
markey_nokiacan't install it13:53
ScottKsudo apt-get install python-appindicator may also help.13:53
ScottK(with the GTK one)13:53
markey_nokiathat also gives an error...13:54
markey_nokia(using KPackageKit)13:54
markey_nokiais that PackageKit fail?13:54
apacheloggermarkey_nokia: you do not want to use recorditnow13:54
markey_nokiaScottK: I do not want to use recorditnow13:55
shadeslayerhaha LD13:55
ScottKmarkey_nokia: It's not the droid you are looking for.13:55
markey_nokiaScottK: indeed. I want an easy solution, just pressing a button or so13:56
markey_nokiaor I could run Linux in a VM, and use a Windows tool, I guess13:56
markey_nokiamight work for now13:56
markey_nokiabut still... I thought this is easy to do with Linux :)13:57
markey_nokiamaybe it's not13:57
Riddelldebfx: why is kubuntu/10_soundmenu_support.diff not needed in Amarok?14:08
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debfxRiddell: I guess it's all handled by mpris, agateau told me it's not necessary anymore14:14
Riddelldebfx: ok thanks14:25
c2tarunRiddell: ping amarok failed to build too :(14:37
* c2tarun it seems packages are failing just because I build them :( koffice, kdeedu, amarok ....14:40
shadeslayerc2tarun: last few lines of FTBFS please14:43
shadeslayeror the whole log if you can pastebinit14:43
c2tarunshadeslayer: here is whole log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/66654622/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.amarok_2%3A2.4.0.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz14:43
debfxc2tarun: that's bug #73713714:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 737137 in cmake (Ubuntu Natty) "find_library fails to locate multiarch libraries" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73713714:44
Riddelleverything is failing, presumably libz has had the multiarch treatment14:44
c2tarunwho is working on it?14:45
Riddellnobody as far as I know14:45
c2tarunImportance: High and still unassigned.14:46
c2tarunsomebody uploaded a file on that bug, anyone looked at it yet?14:48
Riddellthat might be the best chance for a quick fix, just hardcoding in the new paths14:50
Riddellit'll need to be done once for each platform of course14:50
ScottKRiddell: Are you around to take care of the release meeting?15:01
RiddellScottK: I am, anything you think I should mention?15:03
Riddellbesides the world being broken due to multiarch15:03
ScottKI'd like to know where we are on the gles transition.15:03
Riddellmm, yes15:04
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shadeslayerapachelogger: why didn't you get this http://wetab.mobi15:36
debfxRiddell: I might have a fix for the cmake issue15:47
Riddelldebfx: oh?15:48
Riddelldo tell15:48
debfxand  the same for /usr/lib15:50
Riddellthat sounds promising15:50
Riddelldebfx: in Modules/Platform/UnixPaths.cmake ?15:52
debfxRiddell: yes, http://paste.kde.org/7590/15:54
Riddelldebfx: doesn't work on i386, it ends up as i686-linux-gnu15:58
debfxgrr why is it i386 when we are building for i68616:00
apacheloggershadeslayer: idunno16:05
apacheloggershadeslayer: >++++++++++[<++++++>-]<.>16:06
shadeslayerwhat is that16:06
apacheloggerturing ftw16:06
JontheEchidnabrainfuck programming language?16:06
apacheloggershadeslayer: brainfuck16:06
* apachelogger is currently writing a svg builder in brainfck :D16:06
* shadeslayer looks16:07
Riddelldebfx: CMAKE_PLATFORM_IMPLICIT_LINK_DIRECTORIES doesn't work if regardless it seems, I need to set CMAKE_SYSTEM_LIBRARY_PATH16:07
apacheloggernot using more than 6 cells16:07
apacheloggersorta madness16:07
apacheloggerthough originally I wanted to go with 3, turns out you spend half your time calculating perfect arithmetic manipulation ^^16:08
JontheEchidnacompiling it with gcc?16:09
JontheEchidnaI can imagine that the only thing harder than using that language is writing a compiler for it16:09
apacheloggernah, using bf16:10
apachelogger!info bf16:10
ubottubf (source: bf): a fast Brainfuck interpreter. In component universe, is optional. Version 20041219ubuntu3 (maverick), package size 13 kB, installed size 104 kB16:10
Daskreech!language | ubottu You should know better!16:10
ubottuDaskreech: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.16:10
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: actually writing a compiler is pretty easy as there is no complexity in the grammar16:11
DaskreechStupid bot16:11
Riddelldebfx: now I have http://paste.kde.org/7592/16:11
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: if one knows how to build a parse tree that is ^^16:11
JontheEchidnaHmm, somehow I like USC's recommendations better than mine (in Konsole): http://i.imgur.com/fGIvC.png16:13
debfxRiddell: I think we should add it to CMAKE_PLATFORM_IMPLICIT_LINK_DIRECTORIES as well16:13
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you will be eatien by appstream and slow package managers anyway16:14
Riddelldebfx: ok16:14
JontheEchidnabut but but... they're slow16:14
apacheloggerI know16:14
apacheloggerslow is the new fast16:14
JontheEchidnaAppStream is an example of horrible technology being forced across the entire ecosystem16:14
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: your software is totally 1980's16:14
JontheEchidnawell, maybe not horrible, but not great16:15
apacheloggerappstream would not need to be so slow if they first forced a common stack across the ecosystem 16:15
JontheEchidnaIt's the cross-distro package management abstraction that is doing that16:16
apacheloggerit is abstracting16:16
apachelogger...abstraction comes at a price...16:16
apacheloggerthe stronger the abstraction the more you need to pay16:17
ScottKEventually it's just abstractions all the way down.16:17
JontheEchidnaI don't see a cross-distro package manager as being a big need anyways, since most people will only ever experience on linux distro16:17
apacheloggernah, it is layers :P16:17
apacheloggerabstraction is not necessarily capsulation16:18
JontheEchidnaAPT is what makes Debian-based distros shine in the first place, so I think not utilizing it to its fullest extent is diminishing what makes Debian-family great16:18
DaskreechJontheEchidna: i've read that twice. Did you mean one linux distro?16:18
ScottKDaskreech: He did.16:18
ScottKJontheEchidna: Agreed.16:18
JontheEchidnaDaskreech: yes16:19
ScottKJontheEchidna: So is it Kpk/Muon shootout at the next UDS?16:19
DaskreechI'd disagree with that but ok16:19
DaskreechPeople are too fickle for that16:19
JontheEchidnaScottK: Yes, by 10.10 I expect there to be a "critical mass" of the Muon Suite having more features than {K}PK to justify switching16:19
apacheloggerdoes it do appstream?16:20
apacheloggercause even with slowness and stuff, appstream is the important community factor16:20
apachelogger(especially if you take project brezn into account)16:21
JontheEchidnawhy do we need to compromise on inferior technology when the average user will only ever use one distro?16:22
ScottKJontheEchidna: I agree with your conclusion, although not necessarily the premise.16:23
ScottKThe average user will use Windows because that's what came on their computer.16:23
apacheloggerit is not about the user16:24
apacheloggerit is about the software16:24
apacheloggerall them distros put steam behind appstream16:24
apacheloggermaking it naturally more attractive for deployment as more people are concerned with improvement and maintenance and whatnot16:24
apacheloggeralso from a social POV it encourages more inter-distro knowledge exchange and stuff16:25
ScottKIt's an interesting theory.  Not a new one though.16:25
JontheEchidnaI could see Muon using certain components of AppStream, such as the application metadata rather than app-install-data16:26
ScottKInter-distro knowledge exchange is not all good.  If I'm off inter-distro knowledge exchanging then I'm not working on my distro, so I need to get enough out of it to be worth the time.16:26
ScottKSo far all I needed to know about OpenSUSE I learned from their patches in their BTS (don't use them).16:27
JontheEchidnaand it seems that I already support the OCS reviews stuff since I support the Ubuntu reviews server (and could easily support another if the Ubuntu API isn't used)16:28
JontheEchidnaso yeah, it could be said that Muon will support most of the AppStream bits, expect that the installation doesn't use PackageKit16:28
apacheloggersupposedly appstream's spec is abstract enough from an implementation that it should not matter whether one uses pk at all?16:29
apachelogger(didn't read anything TBH, all I know comes from people telling me how awesome it is :P)16:29
JontheEchidnaright, the usage of packagekit is totally in the realm of the client implementation16:29
apacheloggerI am all for a fast appstream ;)16:30
apacheloggerthat said16:30
apacheloggerthere is fragmentation16:30
apacheloggeras the opensuse guys apparently did not consider building their initial impl based on kpk16:30
apacheloggermaking me go ewwwww16:30
apacheloggeroh actually16:31
JontheEchidnaright, it's not like Bretzn took any consideration to existing utilities anyways16:31
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: IIRC their KDE client looks very sexy16:31
apacheloggeryou should steal some things16:31
JontheEchidnaI've not been able to find code16:31
apacheloggerah it is a stealh project16:31
apacheloggerI always knew opensuse had something to do with the brotherhood of nod16:31
apacheloggernow it becomes all too clear :P16:31
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JontheEchidnaI am not entirely convinced it is not vapourware :P16:34
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: fregl will know16:34
apacheloggerIIRC he attended the meeting of the brotherhood and other distros regarding appstream16:34
* apachelogger wonders how much code he should produce for his brainfuck program16:34
JontheEchidna^I hate it when that happens16:35
apacheloggerthe trick is to not have food16:35
apacheloggerI do not have any food16:35
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apacheloggerso I need to start drinking at 3pm16:35
apacheloggerworks out pretty well16:36
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bambeethere is an article on the wiki about kubuntu patches specs ? (mostly about the number)16:36
Riddellbambee: are you asking?16:37
bambeeRiddell: yup16:37
Riddellbambee: I don't understand what you mean by kubuntu patches specs16:38
Riddellwhy is debconf ncurses now pink16:38
Riddellhas someone ported fluffy to debconf?16:38
* apachelogger hides16:38
ScottKRiddell: See kirkland's mail to ubuntu-devel last night.16:38
apacheloggerdebian is pink too, dont you know 16:39
bambeeRiddell: patches are apparently named "kubuntu_NUMBER_what_does_my_patch.diff" => why a number ?16:39
JontheEchidnanumbers are used to maintain order, in case two patches modify the same file16:39
ScottKJontheEchidna: Except they don't maintain order.16:39
ScottKdebian/patches/series does that.16:39
ScottK(they used to)16:39
apacheloggerthey maintain order with humans ;)16:40
JontheEchidnaI guess that was back in the dpatch days16:40
bambeeJontheEchidna: ok thanks16:40
apacheloggerof course people at times forget how quilt work and mess up the series16:40
ScottKJontheEchidna: Actually simple-patchsys.  dpatch has 00list.16:40
apacheloggerso quilt is not always in line with number thus humans16:40
apacheloggerfortunately enough patches in kde rarely depend on each other ^^16:41
JontheEchidnathat is because most KDE software is holy and needs not patching ^^16:41
apacheloggerlike phonon16:42
apacheloggeryou people actually patch my mighty phonon16:42
apacheloggervery distrubing I must say16:42
JontheEchidnatechnically debian does16:42
JontheEchidnaand we just pick up the changes16:43
apacheloggerRiddell: talking about colorz16:43
apacheloggerI have a file somewhere that overloads the aubergine grub to be blue16:43
apacheloggerprobably should go in kds16:43
JontheEchidna^yes plz16:44
nigelbapachelogger: I've in love with qt, finally :)16:44
JontheEchidnaI don't want to ride the aubertruck16:44
apacheloggeryou nevar blogged the pic! :P16:44
apacheloggernigelb: you are doing a talk on Qt development at UADW then? :D16:44
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: are you doing KDE?16:44
JontheEchidnaI dented it, though16:44
apacheloggerpretty plz16:44
nigelbapachelogger: too many talks on qt at uadw16:44
nigelbapachelogger: Qt haz taken over.16:44
apacheloggerfor obvious reasons16:45
nigelbapachelogger: very obvious, once I started getting a hang of it.16:45
nigelbI'm still stumbling but very impressed too16:45
* apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna really hard so he adds a KDE talk16:45
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: you mean something like how to use KAppTemplate to kickstart app development?16:46
Riddellapachelogger: oh?  does that mess anything up?16:46
Riddelldebfx: on arm this patch ends up with /lib/armv7l-linux-gnu16:46
apacheloggerRiddell: no16:46
apacheloggerRiddell: very easy with grub216:46
Riddelldebfx: and it needs to be  /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi16:46
apacheloggerit basically just has a higher number than the ubuntu thing and sets the color stuff to something else16:47
Riddelldebfx: so I think we're best just to do it hardcoded by platform16:47
apacheloggerhas like 10 sloc or so16:47
nigelbJontheEchidna: that'd be good16:47
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: for example16:47
nigelbJontheEchidna: go and give instructions on a real world app16:47
* JontheEchidna loves this runner: http://i.imgur.com/UkpCP.png16:47
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: write a micro blogging app so we can get rid of choqok :P16:47
yofelapachelogger: except for grub you need to remove the aubergine settings first before you set your own ones, I tried to override it in a higher number which looks horrible since I still got a aubergine background for about a second before mine came up16:48
* apachelogger really wonders why text is broken in qml on android16:48
nigelbJontheEchidna: I second apachelogger16:49
yofelI did file a bug a while ago for it not being easily changable16:49
apacheloggeryofel: get a faster machine :P16:49
yofelapachelogger: that's on my thinkpad! maybe I should blame nvidia16:49
apacheloggerI did not see any funny color business on my netbook16:49
* apachelogger is out of booze :O16:49
ScottKRiddell: You might talk to lool about armhf as it's going to make it a triplet, IIRC.16:50
JontheEchidnamaybe I'll do something neat with QZeitgeist16:50
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable16:52
JontheEchidnaoops, meant to put that in friday's slot16:53
apachelogger<3 wiki tables16:53
afiestashow time we have left to push BlueDevil 1.1 final?16:55
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: actually tuesday is good, I miscalculated the UTC16:55
ScottKafiestas: Are there new features between what we have now and final?16:56
ScottKBefore next Friday would be nice, in any case.16:56
afiestasScottK: nope16:56
ScottKIf we could get it next week, then it would be no trouble, after that we may have to justify it.16:56
afiestasI will start to work like a crazy then 16:57
afiestasI have been kinda offline the last 3 weeks because of personal stuff so I have to catchup16:57
ScottKWelcome back.16:57
afiestasI'm going to downlad latest iso and install Kubuntu again16:58
nigelbapachelogger: 7 sessions from kde/qt16:58
loolRiddell, ScottK, debfx: If you look for the multiarch path, that might be subtly different; I think you want DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH16:58
loolThe triplet is in DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE16:58
loolfor instance on i386, DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH=i386-linux-gnu and DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE=i686-linux-gnu16:59
ScottKlool: Thanks.16:59
Riddelllool: well we need something that can be used outside of package building17:00
Riddellcmake is used by non packagers too17:00
loolRiddell: You need the multiarch library path?17:01
Riddelllool: yes, to find libraries in multiarch directories17:01
loolSo slangasek has proposed a lsb-architecture helper I think17:01
loolbut I'm not sure we're using that17:01
loolapparently, this is not used in dpkg; instead, gnutriplet_to_multiarch() basically returns the triplet except on i38617:02
loolRiddell: I would talk to slangasek and ask about the plans there17:03
loolhe just came online some minutes ago17:03
loolhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/582163/ is the dpkg-dev triplet17:03
Riddellbest thing he came up with was  $(gcc -print-search-dirs | cut -f2- -d'=' |sed -e's/:/\n/g'); do readlink -f $dir; done | uniq17:03
lool18:04 < slangasek> yes, even if we were using lsb-architecture, this is not an  agreed lsb interface yet17:05
lool18:04 < slangasek> dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH is the only standard  interface so far17:05
Riddellah, that seems more promising17:06
loolBut that's dpkg specific17:06
Riddellgood enough for now I think17:06
afiestaswhat kdepim is kubuntu going to ship?17:06
loolDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH is what I was mentioning earlier, not sure whether you got it17:06
loolIt was added to dpkg-architecture in natty recently17:06
Riddelldebfx: how about this? http://paste.kde.org/7604/17:23
Riddellshadeslayer: the tab bar in rekonq doesn't like to redraw itself properly today, have you seen that?17:55
shadeslayerknown regression17:55
shadeslayerlemme check logs if it was fixed17:55
shadeslayercommit ae58104b91693b0b1d7404b5fe7600d6c157a5ce17:56
shadeslayerRiddell: rekonq should have a 0.6.90 release soonish17:57
debfxRiddell: we should hardcode the paths in that cmake files (i.e. calling dpkg-architecture only while building cmake)17:57
Riddelldebfx: why?17:58
Riddell parley : Depends: kdeedu-kvtml-data (= 4:4.6.0-0ubuntu2) but 4:4.6.1a-0ubuntu1 is to be installed18:00
Riddellthat's why kubuntu mobile isn't building on ARM18:01
Riddellwhich I guess is due to the cmake issue plus the gles issue18:01
DarkwingDuckshadeslayer: with spell check? :P:P18:02
RiddellI'm not convinced kdeedu and kdegames are what kubuntu-mobile needs18:02
Riddellunless there are special mobile friendly versions18:03
shadeslayerDarkwingDuck: that's a QtWebkit issue18:03
shadeslayersomeone actually got the squiggly lines to work18:03
RiddellI think those are a leftover of netbook18:03
DarkwingDuckshadeslayer: ahhh. QtWebkit got ya.18:03
Riddelltesters needed for amarok beta in maverick https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages18:05
debfxRiddell: otherwise cmake would have to depend on dpkg-dev18:06
Riddelldebfx: hmm18:06
Riddelldebfx: any idea on the nicest way to hardcode it then?18:07
DarkwingDuckRiddell: gimme a couple hours and I'll test18:10
* apachelogger is back with booze!18:13
DarkwingDuckHey apachelogger 18:13
apacheloggerfor a minute there I was afraid I might sober up18:14
apacheloggeryo DarkwingDuck18:14
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: looks like I'll be doing TONs more with the Kubuntu Bug program18:15
DarkwingDuckAnd I have a few people who want to help building a better Kubuntu wiki18:15
* apachelogger read tron18:15
apacheloggerwe could do os 12 from tron legacy18:15
apacheloggerthat looked like a nice system right there18:15
apacheloggera bit black maybe18:15
shadeslayerAnyone on natty getting random freezes18:15
apacheloggerpink would be better18:15
yofelshadeslayer: for what?18:16
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: I am all for better wikis18:16
DarkwingDuckAye, pink... I still need to install fluffy for my wife.18:16
shadeslayeryofel: like ... random freezes overall18:16
shadeslayeri can't type anything18:16
apacheloggershadeslayer: only the random xrestart followed by graphics problems on second screen and eventually overheating18:16
yofelsince I stopped using nouveau, no18:16
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: do you have any fluffy screen shots?18:16
apacheloggeron my blogz18:16
apacheloggerwhen will wayland be ready :(18:17
* DarkwingDuck goes to find apachelogger blog18:17
apacheloggerkubotu: google fluffy linux18:17
kubotuResults for fluffy linux: 1. Fluffy | Apachelogger's Log: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/ | 2. Fluffy Linux – For Those Who Like Pink, Bunnies And Unicorn: http://techie-buzz.com/foss/fluffy-linux-for-those-who-like-pink-bunnies-and-unicorn.html | 3. Home: http://techie-buzz.com/18:17
DarkwingDuckOh, your blog is bookmarked18:19
DarkwingDuckYour PPA has the addons so I don't have to reinstall her system correct?18:20
afiestasback on NAtty :d18:20
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: This would be correct... correct? https://launchpad.net/~fluffy-dev/+archive/archive18:22
DarkwingDuckkk Thanks18:23
ScottKdebfx: What's wrong with cmake depending on dpkg-dev?18:29
apacheloggerthere is surprisingly little progress18:29
afiestasnot sure why, but I had "Enable Keyboard Repeat" deactivted :/18:31
* apachelogger blames ScottK18:31
afiestasnot sure if it is because of my KDEHOME from trunk or because Kubuntu18:32
apacheloggerI don't even know what a keyboard repeat is18:32
apacheloggerafiestas: last I checked we did not mess with that kind of stuff18:32
afiestasaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <-- this is done by keyboard repeat :p18:32
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apacheloggerafiestas: oh, no, we do not change that18:44
afiestasapachelogger: okz, I guess that trunk changed it at some point18:45
afiestasI got disconnected when I asked this (a few hours ago), what pim version is going to be ship with Natty?18:46
ScottKIIRC there may be 4.6 as an alternate, but not default.18:47
apacheloggeryeah, they it is really gonna be released18:47
apacheloggerwe will still ship 4.4 in vastly varpoware18:47
apacheloggerwhatever version that is gonna be18:47
apachelogger14.10 or something18:47
afiestasuff, xrandr is not recognizing my crtrc (HDMI, VGA etc) so I can't extend the desktop ._.19:01
shadeslayerUbuntu didn't get in19:02
ScottKKDE did though19:03
RiddellI don't think ubuntu even had an ideas page19:04
ScottKapachelogger: You could do a GSoC project for the Python Software Foundation.19:04
RiddellUbuntu needs a Nightrose 19:04
shadeslayeryeah :D19:04
apacheloggerI can do a Nightrose for the PSF19:04
apacheloggeroh, hold on, how would that help youbuntoo19:05
apacheloggerNightrose: can I bombard kde-devel with wicked ideas now?19:05
shadeslayerapachelogger: PSF takes all the Nightrose's and then Ubuntu get's left out19:05
Nightroseapachelogger: yes19:05
* shadeslayer stares at his blank proposal ...19:05
ScottKapachelogger: You could propose to the PSF an alternate Python interpreter implmentation in Ruby.19:05
* apachelogger opens a bottle to celebrate19:05
ScottKThat might be a bit large though.19:06
apacheloggerthat would be fun19:06
apacheloggerbut since pyth0rns grammar is all silly, better not19:06
apacheloggerI would screw up the parse tree19:06
ScottKSeems similar to Ruby to me, from what little I know of Ruby.19:06
ScottKExcept you're still supposed to indent stuff even though it doesn't do anything.19:07
shadeslayerif there's one thing python teaches you, it's indenting19:08
ScottKSeems like double work to indent for readability and then have to do other stuff to mark structure.19:10
ScottKMay as well get it all at once without double work.19:10
apachelogger well19:10
apacheloggerin ruby you need to write end19:10
apacheloggerin pyth0rn you get to indent every line19:10
apacheloggerScottK: also ruby is a better language on grammer level IMHO19:11
shadeslayeryep ^^19:11
ScottKIt's possible my perspective is skewed by insanity inherent in Gems and Rails.19:11
apacheloggerrails has fun code ^^19:12
apacheloggersomeone went prototyping and then ended up using the result to build upon ^^19:12
bambeeapachelogger: libmygpo-qt uploaded on revu, since it's for amarok... I'm sure you're motivated to review this package :D19:29
apacheloggerwhy would I be?19:29
bambeeI am kidding ^^19:31
ScottKIt's after 3PM even where I am.  I'm sure apachelogger's been drinking past all reasosnable motivation.19:36
* apachelogger has been drinking since 3pm where he is19:36
apacheloggerhelped a lot with writing brainfuck code19:37
sheytanwhy kdenetwork-fileshare isin't installed by default as it should?20:07
sheytanjust downloaded the lates build of natty20:07
sheytanwithout it, there's no "share" tab when you choose properties  from dolphin context menu20:07
apacheloggersheytan: when do I get me phonon website? :(20:21
GrueMasterHmmm. oem-config-kde isn't installed on the natty-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap4.img.gz.  Had to hack it in to get oem-config working.20:27
GrueMasterOther than that, kubuntu on omap4 is looking good again.  (except for nepomuck crasing in the background).20:27
apacheloggerI once had a crash20:29
apacheloggerit crashed apport20:29
apacheloggerthat was a sad day :/20:30
* GrueMaster loves recursive apport crashes.20:32
JontheEchidnaI once had Dr. Konqi crash due to stack corruption by the parent program20:33
JontheEchidnaor perhaps a third party program that crashed both; no way of really telling20:33
apacheloggerif we reimplemented dr konqi in brianfuck ....20:34
* apachelogger stops that thought right there and takes a sip20:34
ScottKGrueMaster: What's the fix for getting that installed, do you know?20:36
ScottKProbably some seeding issue?20:36
GrueMasteroem-config-kde?  Not sure.  I'll ask NCommander.20:37
NCommanderGrueMaster: ScottK: ogra did some stupid oem-config depends with jasper and seeds. In theory it shouldget pulled in by default20:38
GrueMasterSo, what I found was that oem-config-kde was mia, and both oem-config-debconf & ubiquity-frontend-debconf were installed.20:38
NCommanderin pratice it doesn't, and I believe it needs an explicate seed20:38
ScottKNCommander: OK. 20:38
ScottKNCommander: Any thoughts on which seed?20:39
ScottKIt's in ship already.20:39
apacheloggerare we building from seeds yet?20:43
apacheloggerlast I checked our lives where like outdated20:43
apacheloggeror maybe it was a dream20:43
* apachelogger dreams of kubuntu mobile on vending machines for some reason20:43
ScottKapachelogger: Preinstalled ~= Live20:44
ScottKerr 20:44
apacheloggerall the same to me20:44
apacheloggerprobably I was talking about former anyway20:45
NCommanderScottK: notsure :-(20:48
ScottKNCommander: What seeds are used to build the pre-installed image?  It must be something as we don't have any specific seeds for pre-installed in the Kubuntu set.20:50
NCommanderScottK: it could be a livecd-rootfs specific hack. the code changedenoughthat I can't tell you off the top of my head20:51
GrueMasterIt probably got clobbered when we added headless image builds to the mix.20:53
bambeeI am away for the week end, see you again sunday22:21
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debfxRiddell: I've come up with this cmake patch: http://paste.kde.org/7621/23:45

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