| c2tarun | Riddell, ping | 03:04 |
|---|---|---|
| c2tarun | Riddell,you looked at amarok build? or should I file an upgrade bug for amarok in LP> | 03:04 |
| * c2tarun phew finally dsl connection worked on kubuntu :D | 07:48 | |
| bambee | morning | 07:50 |
| c2tarun | Riddell: ping | 07:51 |
| bambee | Riddell: by the way I uploaded koffice-l10n to revu (I'm not sure, but we can do that for the main archives ?) | 09:14 |
| markey_nokia | hey folks | 09:16 |
| markey_nokia | Riddell: apachelogger: this link on Kubuntu.org is 404: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/kubuntu-10.04.1-alternate-amd64.iso | 09:16 |
| markey_nokia | found this out yesterday, when we wanted to download it | 09:16 |
| Riddell | thanks bambee, will take a look shortly | 09:17 |
| Riddell | markey_nokia: hmm, we're on .2 now not .2 | 09:19 |
| Riddell | markey_nokia: hmm, we're on .2 now not .1 | 09:19 |
| Riddell | where did you find that link? | 09:19 |
| markey_nokia | Riddell: typo then? | 09:19 |
| markey_nokia | Riddell: it's the download link... bottom of "direct download" page | 09:19 |
| Riddell | this page? http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download | 09:20 |
| markey_nokia | http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block | 09:21 |
| markey_nokia | ^ | 09:21 |
| bambee | Riddell: you're welcome. There are other things to do ? (directly or indirectly for kubuntu) | 09:21 |
| Riddell | bambee: http://stefan.derkits.at/files/libmygpo-qt/ needs packaged for amarok | 09:30 |
| Riddell | markey_nokia: hmm well kubuntu.org seems just to have broken | 09:31 |
| bambee | Riddell: Ok, I will package it | 09:32 |
| markey_nokia | Riddell: hmm ok. looks like a simple typo in the URL, no? | 09:45 |
| markey_nokia | 1 instead of 2 | 09:45 |
| Riddell | yes, something not updated since .2 was released | 09:46 |
| Riddell | but now ubuntu.com is broken for me, tsk | 09:46 |
| Riddell | markey_nokia: pressing the Begin Download button gets the .2 for me | 09:48 |
| markey_nokia | lemme try again... | 09:48 |
| Riddell | ah hah, I see it | 09:48 |
| markey_nokia | Riddell: definitely gets the .1 here, and we tried it on several computers | 09:49 |
| Riddell | yep, onto it | 09:50 |
| Riddell | markey_nokia: fixed, thanks | 09:55 |
| === debfx_ is now known as debfx | ||
| Riddell | Binary only demotions to universe o debconf-kde-helper {debconf-kde} | 12:16 |
| Riddell | do we want that? | 12:16 |
| Riddell | dantti: does kpackagekit need that or is the library enough? | 12:17 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: uh .. you *can* disable them | 12:22 |
| shadeslayer | it's under settings | 12:22 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: disable what? | 12:22 |
| shadeslayer | derp | 12:22 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: google suggestions in rekonq | 12:22 |
| Riddell | pardon? | 12:22 |
| shadeslayer | http://identi.ca/notice/67301633 | 12:23 |
| Riddell | oh right | 12:23 |
| Riddell | tell it to the microblogosphere :) | 12:23 |
| shadeslayer | i see the issue being resolved :P | 12:23 |
| shadeslayer | you can't exactly disable them | 12:24 |
| shadeslayer | because it would break the inherent nature of the urlbar thingy | 12:24 |
| Riddell | well make up your mind, you just said they could be | 12:24 |
| shadeslayer | yeah ... you can't .. i spoke too soon | 12:25 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: Riddell lolz http://www.wikipeetia.org/Ubuntu_(operateng_sytem) | 12:29 |
| Riddell | ScottK: why do we want python bindings for an obsolete library (qt assistant)? | 12:37 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Because they're there, people might be using them, so we might as well. Also it will enable us to sync python-qt4 from Debian. | 12:39 |
| ScottK | In fact filing the sync request is on my TODO for this morning. | 12:40 |
| Riddell | syncing that from debian is good | 12:41 |
| Riddell | adding support for obsolete libraries isn't good though | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: very odd | 12:41 |
| Riddell | but the sync wins out in goodness | 12:41 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: whaddup | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: must you be highlighting me though? | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | I am reverse engineering a ray tracer | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | this is madness! | 12:41 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 12:42 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: leave it ... it's madness | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | half the lines of my description start with "assumption:" the other half with "educated guess:" | 12:42 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Filed. | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | though I have an evil plan to conclude all assumptions and guesses in the last sentence, when the big picture emerged from the mess of shitty code | 12:43 |
| nigelb | Riddell: hey, where can I get the image for the Kubuntu stickers you gave out? | 12:54 |
| Riddell | the one with the broken typography? | 12:56 |
| nigelb | lol, yeah | 12:56 |
| Riddell | http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/sticker.png | 12:56 |
| Riddell | but you'd be better recreating it | 12:56 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: I heard you have Project Neon stickers apparently | 12:57 |
| nigelb | Riddell: oh, in that case, do you have the svg? | 12:57 |
| nigelb | Quintasan: I have a few :D | 12:57 |
| Riddell | nigelb: no I made it in Krita | 12:57 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: come to UDS if you want them | 12:57 |
| nigelb | Riddell: ah. I suck at anything design, I might just use the same thing again. | 12:57 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Make Canonical give me sponsorship for sure :D | 12:58 |
| nigelb | Quintasan: ok, since Riddell is using the UDS clause, I won't offer to mail to you. | 12:58 |
| Quintasan | FFFFFFFFFFFF | 12:58 |
| nigelb | lol | 12:58 |
| nigelb | I only have like 5 to 6 which I grabbed from shadeslayer :P | 12:58 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 12:58 |
| Quintasan | show me em | 12:59 |
| shadeslayer | i have a bunch of them as well | 12:59 |
| nigelb | I'm planning to take 6 sheets of Ubuntu and Kubuntu stickers so I have some at every conf to give out :D | 13:00 |
| shadeslayer | Kewl :D | 13:01 |
| dantti | Riddell: the lib is enough | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: on the one hand you want non-technical submission and on the other you do not like me proposing talks about vodka or wine, make up your mind :P | 13:19 |
| * Nightrose pokes apachelogger hard | 13:19 | |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: how about ... "how to take over a dying project and make it sexy again" | 13:19 |
| Nightrose | sounds much better ;-) | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: is that non-technical enough? | 13:20 |
| Nightrose | yes | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | splendid | 13:20 |
| Nightrose | :P | 13:20 |
| shadeslayer | whaa | 13:40 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: that sounds like Project Neon | 13:41 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: lets do a talk together | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | where? | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | Desktop Summit? :D | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | Your room? | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | DS | 13:42 |
| * apachelogger writes some brainfuck | 13:42 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: dude ... i'm all for doing it, only constraint being, i don't want to be on a stage :P | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | fair enough, you get a mic and sit in the audience | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | sure | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | i get to be the guy who takes the mike to everyone in the audience | 13:45 |
| shadeslayer | when they have questions ofcourse | 13:45 |
| apachelogger | no questions allowed | 13:48 |
| * apachelogger had bad experiences with questions | 13:48 | |
| markey_nokia | hmm, gtk-recordMyDesktop fails here | 13:49 |
| markey_nokia | some Python error | 13:49 |
| markey_nokia | is there a working alternative? | 13:49 |
| markey_nokia | need a screencast recorder | 13:49 |
| markey_nokia | "AttributeError: TrayPopupMenu instance has no attribute 'popupmenu_continueitem'" | 13:50 |
| ScottK | What's the error? | 13:50 |
| markey_nokia | see above :) | 13:50 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 13:50 |
| markey_nokia | any ideas? | 13:51 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: haha :D | 13:52 |
| ScottK | markey_nokia: How about RecordItNow? | 13:52 |
| markey_nokia | lemme check | 13:52 |
| ScottK | Google claims that's a Qt front end to it. | 13:52 |
| shadeslayer | there is | 13:52 |
| markey_nokia | "The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 13:53 |
| markey_nokia | recorditnow: Depends: libpolkit-qt-1-0 but it is not going to be installed" | 13:53 |
| markey_nokia | can't install it | 13:53 |
| ScottK | sudo apt-get install python-appindicator may also help. | 13:53 |
| markey_nokia | ok | 13:53 |
| ScottK | (with the GTK one) | 13:53 |
| markey_nokia | that also gives an error... | 13:54 |
| markey_nokia | (using KPackageKit) | 13:54 |
| markey_nokia | is that PackageKit fail? | 13:54 |
| apachelogger | markey_nokia: you do not want to use recorditnow | 13:54 |
| apachelogger | http://verb3k.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/how-to-do-proper-screencasts-on-linux/ | 13:55 |
| markey_nokia | ScottK: I do not want to use recorditnow | 13:55 |
| shadeslayer | haha LD | 13:55 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 13:55 |
| ScottK | markey_nokia: It's not the droid you are looking for. | 13:55 |
| markey_nokia | ScottK: indeed. I want an easy solution, just pressing a button or so | 13:56 |
| markey_nokia | hmm | 13:56 |
| markey_nokia | or I could run Linux in a VM, and use a Windows tool, I guess | 13:56 |
| markey_nokia | might work for now | 13:56 |
| markey_nokia | but still... I thought this is easy to do with Linux :) | 13:57 |
| markey_nokia | maybe it's not | 13:57 |
| Riddell | debfx: why is kubuntu/10_soundmenu_support.diff not needed in Amarok? | 14:08 |
| === seaLne_ is now known as seaLne | ||
| debfx | Riddell: I guess it's all handled by mpris, agateau told me it's not necessary anymore | 14:14 |
| Riddell | debfx: ok thanks | 14:25 |
| c2tarun | Riddell: ping amarok failed to build too :( | 14:37 |
| * c2tarun it seems packages are failing just because I build them :( koffice, kdeedu, amarok .... | 14:40 | |
| shadeslayer | c2tarun: last few lines of FTBFS please | 14:43 |
| shadeslayer | or the whole log if you can pastebinit | 14:43 |
| c2tarun | shadeslayer: here is whole log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/66654622/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.amarok_2%3A2.4.0.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 14:43 |
| debfx | c2tarun: that's bug #737137 | 14:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 737137 in cmake (Ubuntu Natty) "find_library fails to locate multiarch libraries" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737137 | 14:44 |
| Riddell | everything is failing, presumably libz has had the multiarch treatment | 14:44 |
| c2tarun | who is working on it? | 14:45 |
| Riddell | nobody as far as I know | 14:45 |
| c2tarun | Importance: High and still unassigned. | 14:46 |
| c2tarun | somebody uploaded a file on that bug, anyone looked at it yet? | 14:48 |
| Riddell | that might be the best chance for a quick fix, just hardcoding in the new paths | 14:50 |
| Riddell | it'll need to be done once for each platform of course | 14:50 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Are you around to take care of the release meeting? | 15:01 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I am, anything you think I should mention? | 15:03 |
| Riddell | besides the world being broken due to multiarch | 15:03 |
| ScottK | I'd like to know where we are on the gles transition. | 15:03 |
| Riddell | mm, yes | 15:04 |
| === hunger_ is now known as hunger | ||
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: why didn't you get this http://wetab.mobi | 15:36 |
| debfx | Riddell: I might have a fix for the cmake issue | 15:47 |
| Riddell | debfx: oh? | 15:48 |
| Riddell | do tell | 15:48 |
| debfx | Riddell: adding /lib/${CMAKE_SYSTEM_PROCESSOR}-${CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME}-${CMAKE_C_COMPILER_ID} to CMAKE_PLATFORM_IMPLICIT_LINK_DIRECTORIES | 15:50 |
| debfx | and the same for /usr/lib | 15:50 |
| Riddell | that sounds promising | 15:50 |
| Riddell | debfx: in Modules/Platform/UnixPaths.cmake ? | 15:52 |
| debfx | Riddell: yes, http://paste.kde.org/7590/ | 15:54 |
| Riddell | debfx: doesn't work on i386, it ends up as i686-linux-gnu | 15:58 |
| debfx | grr why is it i386 when we are building for i686 | 16:00 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: idunno | 16:05 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: >++++++++++[<++++++>-]<.> | 16:06 |
| shadeslayer | what | 16:06 |
| shadeslayer | what is that | 16:06 |
| apachelogger | turing ftw | 16:06 |
| JontheEchidna | brainfuck programming language? | 16:06 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: brainfuck | 16:06 |
| * apachelogger is currently writing a svg builder in brainfck :D | 16:06 | |
| * shadeslayer looks | 16:07 | |
| Riddell | debfx: CMAKE_PLATFORM_IMPLICIT_LINK_DIRECTORIES doesn't work if regardless it seems, I need to set CMAKE_SYSTEM_LIBRARY_PATH | 16:07 |
| apachelogger | not using more than 6 cells | 16:07 |
| apachelogger | sorta madness | 16:07 |
| apachelogger | though originally I wanted to go with 3, turns out you spend half your time calculating perfect arithmetic manipulation ^^ | 16:08 |
| JontheEchidna | compiling it with gcc? | 16:09 |
| JontheEchidna | I can imagine that the only thing harder than using that language is writing a compiler for it | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | nah, using bf | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | !info bf | 16:10 |
| ubottu | bf (source: bf): a fast Brainfuck interpreter. In component universe, is optional. Version 20041219ubuntu3 (maverick), package size 13 kB, installed size 104 kB | 16:10 |
| Daskreech | !language | ubottu You should know better! | 16:10 |
| ubottu | Daskreech: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: actually writing a compiler is pretty easy as there is no complexity in the grammar | 16:11 |
| Daskreech | Stupid bot | 16:11 |
| Riddell | debfx: now I have http://paste.kde.org/7592/ | 16:11 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: if one knows how to build a parse tree that is ^^ | 16:11 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 16:11 |
| JontheEchidna | Hmm, somehow I like USC's recommendations better than mine (in Konsole): http://i.imgur.com/fGIvC.png | 16:13 |
| debfx | Riddell: I think we should add it to CMAKE_PLATFORM_IMPLICIT_LINK_DIRECTORIES as well | 16:13 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: you will be eatien by appstream and slow package managers anyway | 16:14 |
| Riddell | debfx: ok | 16:14 |
| JontheEchidna | but but but... they're slow | 16:14 |
| apachelogger | I know | 16:14 |
| apachelogger | slow is the new fast | 16:14 |
| JontheEchidna | AppStream is an example of horrible technology being forced across the entire ecosystem | 16:14 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: your software is totally 1980's | 16:14 |
| JontheEchidna | well, maybe not horrible, but not great | 16:15 |
| apachelogger | appstream would not need to be so slow if they first forced a common stack across the ecosystem | 16:15 |
| JontheEchidna | It's the cross-distro package management abstraction that is doing that | 16:16 |
| apachelogger | nonono | 16:16 |
| apachelogger | it is abstracting | 16:16 |
| apachelogger | ...abstraction comes at a price... | 16:16 |
| apachelogger | the stronger the abstraction the more you need to pay | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | ... | 16:17 |
| ScottK | Eventually it's just abstractions all the way down. | 16:17 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't see a cross-distro package manager as being a big need anyways, since most people will only ever experience on linux distro | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | nah, it is layers :P | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | abstraction is not necessarily capsulation | 16:18 |
| JontheEchidna | APT is what makes Debian-based distros shine in the first place, so I think not utilizing it to its fullest extent is diminishing what makes Debian-family great | 16:18 |
| Daskreech | JontheEchidna: i've read that twice. Did you mean one linux distro? | 16:18 |
| ScottK | Daskreech: He did. | 16:18 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Agreed. | 16:18 |
| JontheEchidna | Daskreech: yes | 16:19 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: So is it Kpk/Muon shootout at the next UDS? | 16:19 |
| Daskreech | I'd disagree with that but ok | 16:19 |
| Daskreech | People are too fickle for that | 16:19 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: Yes, by 10.10 I expect there to be a "critical mass" of the Muon Suite having more features than {K}PK to justify switching | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | does it do appstream? | 16:20 |
| Riddell | 10.10? | 16:20 |
| JontheEchidna | er | 16:20 |
| JontheEchidna | 11.10 | 16:20 |
| JontheEchidna | typo | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | cause even with slowness and stuff, appstream is the important community factor | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | (especially if you take project brezn into account) | 16:21 |
| JontheEchidna | why do we need to compromise on inferior technology when the average user will only ever use one distro? | 16:22 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I agree with your conclusion, although not necessarily the premise. | 16:23 |
| ScottK | The average user will use Windows because that's what came on their computer. | 16:23 |
| apachelogger | it is not about the user | 16:24 |
| apachelogger | it is about the software | 16:24 |
| apachelogger | all them distros put steam behind appstream | 16:24 |
| apachelogger | making it naturally more attractive for deployment as more people are concerned with improvement and maintenance and whatnot | 16:24 |
| apachelogger | also from a social POV it encourages more inter-distro knowledge exchange and stuff | 16:25 |
| ScottK | It's an interesting theory. Not a new one though. | 16:25 |
| JontheEchidna | I could see Muon using certain components of AppStream, such as the application metadata rather than app-install-data | 16:26 |
| ScottK | Inter-distro knowledge exchange is not all good. If I'm off inter-distro knowledge exchanging then I'm not working on my distro, so I need to get enough out of it to be worth the time. | 16:26 |
| ScottK | So far all I needed to know about OpenSUSE I learned from their patches in their BTS (don't use them). | 16:27 |
| JontheEchidna | and it seems that I already support the OCS reviews stuff since I support the Ubuntu reviews server (and could easily support another if the Ubuntu API isn't used) | 16:28 |
| JontheEchidna | so yeah, it could be said that Muon will support most of the AppStream bits, expect that the installation doesn't use PackageKit | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | supposedly appstream's spec is abstract enough from an implementation that it should not matter whether one uses pk at all? | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | (didn't read anything TBH, all I know comes from people telling me how awesome it is :P) | 16:29 |
| JontheEchidna | right, the usage of packagekit is totally in the realm of the client implementation | 16:29 |
| JontheEchidna | http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/Implementation | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | I am all for a fast appstream ;) | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | that said | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | there is fragmentation | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | as the opensuse guys apparently did not consider building their initial impl based on kpk | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | making me go ewwwww | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | oh actually | 16:31 |
| JontheEchidna | right, it's not like Bretzn took any consideration to existing utilities anyways | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: IIRC their KDE client looks very sexy | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | you should steal some things | 16:31 |
| JontheEchidna | I've not been able to find code | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | ah it is a stealh project | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | I always knew opensuse had something to do with the brotherhood of nod | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | now it becomes all too clear :P | 16:31 |
| === zkriesse_ is now known as Guest56267 | ||
| JontheEchidna | I am not entirely convinced it is not vapourware :P | 16:34 |
| JontheEchidna | (j/k) | 16:34 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: fregl will know | 16:34 |
| apachelogger | IIRC he attended the meeting of the brotherhood and other distros regarding appstream | 16:34 |
| * apachelogger wonders how much code he should produce for his brainfuck program | 16:34 | |
| JontheEchidna | http://i.imgur.com/EcCbj.png | 16:35 |
| JontheEchidna | ^I hate it when that happens | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | the trick is to not have food | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | I do not have any food | 16:35 |
| === Guest56267 is now known as zkriesse__ | ||
| apachelogger | so I need to start drinking at 3pm | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | works out pretty well | 16:36 |
| === zkriesse__ is now known as zkriesse_ | ||
| bambee | there is an article on the wiki about kubuntu patches specs ? (mostly about the number) | 16:36 |
| Riddell | bambee: are you asking? | 16:37 |
| bambee | Riddell: yup | 16:37 |
| Riddell | bambee: I don't understand what you mean by kubuntu patches specs | 16:38 |
| Riddell | why is debconf ncurses now pink | 16:38 |
| Riddell | has someone ported fluffy to debconf? | 16:38 |
| * apachelogger hides | 16:38 | |
| ScottK | Riddell: See kirkland's mail to ubuntu-devel last night. | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | debian is pink too, dont you know | 16:39 |
| bambee | Riddell: patches are apparently named "kubuntu_NUMBER_what_does_my_patch.diff" => why a number ? | 16:39 |
| JontheEchidna | numbers are used to maintain order, in case two patches modify the same file | 16:39 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Except they don't maintain order. | 16:39 |
| ScottK | debian/patches/series does that. | 16:39 |
| ScottK | (they used to) | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | they maintain order with humans ;) | 16:40 |
| ScottK | Meh. | 16:40 |
| JontheEchidna | I guess that was back in the dpatch days | 16:40 |
| bambee | JontheEchidna: ok thanks | 16:40 |
| bambee | :) | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | of course people at times forget how quilt work and mess up the series | 16:40 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Actually simple-patchsys. dpatch has 00list. | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | so quilt is not always in line with number thus humans | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | fortunately enough patches in kde rarely depend on each other ^^ | 16:41 |
| JontheEchidna | that is because most KDE software is holy and needs not patching ^^ | 16:41 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | like phonon | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | you people actually patch my mighty phonon | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | very distrubing I must say | 16:42 |
| JontheEchidna | technically debian does | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | debian-- | 16:43 |
| JontheEchidna | and we just pick up the changes | 16:43 |
| apachelogger | ohhhhhhh | 16:43 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: talking about colorz | 16:43 |
| apachelogger | I have a file somewhere that overloads the aubergine grub to be blue | 16:43 |
| apachelogger | probably should go in kds | 16:43 |
| JontheEchidna | ^yes plz | 16:44 |
| nigelb | apachelogger: I've in love with qt, finally :) | 16:44 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't want to ride the aubertruck | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | you nevar blogged the pic! :P | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | nigelb: you are doing a talk on Qt development at UADW then? :D | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: are you doing KDE? | 16:44 |
| JontheEchidna | I dented it, though | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | pretty plz | 16:44 |
| nigelb | apachelogger: too many talks on qt at uadw | 16:44 |
| nigelb | apachelogger: Qt haz taken over. | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | well | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | for obvious reasons | 16:45 |
| nigelb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek | 16:45 |
| nigelb | apachelogger: very obvious, once I started getting a hang of it. | 16:45 |
| nigelb | I'm still stumbling but very impressed too | 16:45 |
| * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna really hard so he adds a KDE talk | 16:45 | |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: you mean something like how to use KAppTemplate to kickstart app development? | 16:46 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: oh? does that mess anything up? | 16:46 |
| Riddell | debfx: on arm this patch ends up with /lib/armv7l-linux-gnu | 16:46 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: no | 16:46 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: very easy with grub2 | 16:46 |
| Riddell | debfx: and it needs to be /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi | 16:46 |
| apachelogger | it basically just has a higher number than the ubuntu thing and sets the color stuff to something else | 16:47 |
| Riddell | debfx: so I think we're best just to do it hardcoded by platform | 16:47 |
| apachelogger | has like 10 sloc or so | 16:47 |
| nigelb | JontheEchidna: that'd be good | 16:47 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: for example | 16:47 |
| nigelb | JontheEchidna: go and give instructions on a real world app | 16:47 |
| * JontheEchidna loves this runner: http://i.imgur.com/UkpCP.png | 16:47 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: write a micro blogging app so we can get rid of choqok :P | 16:47 |
| yofel | apachelogger: except for grub you need to remove the aubergine settings first before you set your own ones, I tried to override it in a higher number which looks horrible since I still got a aubergine background for about a second before mine came up | 16:48 |
| * apachelogger really wonders why text is broken in qml on android | 16:48 | |
| nigelb | JontheEchidna: I second apachelogger | 16:49 |
| yofel | I did file a bug a while ago for it not being easily changable | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | yofel: get a faster machine :P | 16:49 |
| yofel | apachelogger: that's on my thinkpad! maybe I should blame nvidia | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | maybe | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | I did not see any funny color business on my netbook | 16:49 |
| * apachelogger is out of booze :O | 16:49 | |
| apachelogger | zomg | 16:50 |
| ScottK | Riddell: You might talk to lool about armhf as it's going to make it a triplet, IIRC. | 16:50 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe I'll do something neat with QZeitgeist | 16:50 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable | 16:52 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna++ | 16:53 |
| JontheEchidna | oops, meant to put that in friday's slot | 16:53 |
| apachelogger | <3 wiki tables | 16:53 |
| afiestas | how time we have left to push BlueDevil 1.1 final? | 16:55 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: actually tuesday is good, I miscalculated the UTC | 16:55 |
| ScottK | afiestas: Are there new features between what we have now and final? | 16:56 |
| ScottK | Before next Friday would be nice, in any case. | 16:56 |
| afiestas | ScottK: nope | 16:56 |
| ScottK | If we could get it next week, then it would be no trouble, after that we may have to justify it. | 16:56 |
| afiestas | okz | 16:57 |
| afiestas | I will start to work like a crazy then | 16:57 |
| ScottK | Great. | 16:57 |
| afiestas | I have been kinda offline the last 3 weeks because of personal stuff so I have to catchup | 16:57 |
| ScottK | Welcome back. | 16:57 |
| afiestas | I'm going to downlad latest iso and install Kubuntu again | 16:58 |
| nigelb | apachelogger: 7 sessions from kde/qt | 16:58 |
| lool | Riddell, ScottK, debfx: If you look for the multiarch path, that might be subtly different; I think you want DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH | 16:58 |
| lool | The triplet is in DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE | 16:58 |
| lool | for instance on i386, DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH=i386-linux-gnu and DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE=i686-linux-gnu | 16:59 |
| ScottK | lool: Thanks. | 16:59 |
| Riddell | lool: well we need something that can be used outside of package building | 17:00 |
| Riddell | cmake is used by non packagers too | 17:00 |
| lool | Riddell: You need the multiarch library path? | 17:01 |
| Riddell | lool: yes, to find libraries in multiarch directories | 17:01 |
| lool | So slangasek has proposed a lsb-architecture helper I think | 17:01 |
| lool | but I'm not sure we're using that | 17:01 |
| lool | apparently, this is not used in dpkg; instead, gnutriplet_to_multiarch() basically returns the triplet except on i386 | 17:02 |
| lool | Riddell: I would talk to slangasek and ask about the plans there | 17:03 |
| lool | he just came online some minutes ago | 17:03 |
| lool | http://paste.ubuntu.com/582163/ is the dpkg-dev triplet | 17:03 |
| Riddell | best thing he came up with was $(gcc -print-search-dirs | cut -f2- -d'=' |sed -e's/:/\n/g'); do readlink -f $dir; done | uniq | 17:03 |
| lool | 18:04 < slangasek> yes, even if we were using lsb-architecture, this is not an agreed lsb interface yet | 17:05 |
| lool | 18:04 < slangasek> dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH is the only standard interface so far | 17:05 |
| Riddell | ah, that seems more promising | 17:06 |
| lool | But that's dpkg specific | 17:06 |
| Riddell | good enough for now I think | 17:06 |
| afiestas | what kdepim is kubuntu going to ship? | 17:06 |
| lool | DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH is what I was mentioning earlier, not sure whether you got it | 17:06 |
| lool | It was added to dpkg-architecture in natty recently | 17:06 |
| Riddell | debfx: how about this? http://paste.kde.org/7604/ | 17:23 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: the tab bar in rekonq doesn't like to redraw itself properly today, have you seen that? | 17:55 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 17:55 |
| shadeslayer | known regression | 17:55 |
| shadeslayer | lemme check logs if it was fixed | 17:55 |
| shadeslayer | commit ae58104b91693b0b1d7404b5fe7600d6c157a5ce | 17:56 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: rekonq should have a 0.6.90 release soonish | 17:57 |
| debfx | Riddell: we should hardcode the paths in that cmake files (i.e. calling dpkg-architecture only while building cmake) | 17:57 |
| Riddell | debfx: why? | 17:58 |
| Riddell | parley : Depends: kdeedu-kvtml-data (= 4:4.6.0-0ubuntu2) but 4:4.6.1a-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 18:00 |
| Riddell | that's why kubuntu mobile isn't building on ARM | 18:01 |
| Riddell | which I guess is due to the cmake issue plus the gles issue | 18:01 |
| DarkwingDuck | shadeslayer: with spell check? :P:P | 18:02 |
| Riddell | I'm not convinced kdeedu and kdegames are what kubuntu-mobile needs | 18:02 |
| Riddell | unless there are special mobile friendly versions | 18:03 |
| shadeslayer | DarkwingDuck: that's a QtWebkit issue | 18:03 |
| shadeslayer | someone actually got the squiggly lines to work | 18:03 |
| Riddell | I think those are a leftover of netbook | 18:03 |
| DarkwingDuck | shadeslayer: ahhh. QtWebkit got ya. | 18:03 |
| Riddell | testers needed for amarok beta in maverick https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages | 18:05 |
| debfx | Riddell: otherwise cmake would have to depend on dpkg-dev | 18:06 |
| Riddell | debfx: hmm | 18:06 |
| Riddell | debfx: any idea on the nicest way to hardcode it then? | 18:07 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: gimme a couple hours and I'll test | 18:10 |
| * apachelogger is back with booze! | 18:13 | |
| DarkwingDuck | Hey apachelogger | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | for a minute there I was afraid I might sober up | 18:14 |
| apachelogger | yo DarkwingDuck | 18:14 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: looks like I'll be doing TONs more with the Kubuntu Bug program | 18:15 |
| DarkwingDuck | And I have a few people who want to help building a better Kubuntu wiki | 18:15 |
| * apachelogger read tron | 18:15 | |
| apachelogger | we could do os 12 from tron legacy | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | that looked like a nice system right there | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | a bit black maybe | 18:15 |
| shadeslayer | Anyone on natty getting random freezes | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | pink would be better | 18:15 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: for what? | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: I am all for better wikis | 18:16 |
| DarkwingDuck | Aye, pink... I still need to install fluffy for my wife. | 18:16 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: like ... random freezes overall | 18:16 |
| shadeslayer | i can't type anything | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: only the random xrestart followed by graphics problems on second screen and eventually overheating | 18:16 |
| yofel | since I stopped using nouveau, no | 18:16 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: do you have any fluffy screen shots? | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | on my blogz | 18:16 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | when will wayland be ready :( | 18:17 |
| * DarkwingDuck goes to find apachelogger blog | 18:17 | |
| apachelogger | dude | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: google fluffy linux | 18:17 |
| kubotu | Results for fluffy linux: 1. Fluffy | Apachelogger's Log: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/ | 2. Fluffy Linux – For Those Who Like Pink, Bunnies And Unicorn: http://techie-buzz.com/foss/fluffy-linux-for-those-who-like-pink-bunnies-and-unicorn.html | 3. Home: http://techie-buzz.com/ | 18:17 |
| DarkwingDuck | Oh, your blog is bookmarked | 18:19 |
| DarkwingDuck | Your PPA has the addons so I don't have to reinstall her system correct? | 18:20 |
| afiestas | back on NAtty :d | 18:20 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: This would be correct... correct? https://launchpad.net/~fluffy-dev/+archive/archive | 18:22 |
| apachelogger | yah | 18:23 |
| DarkwingDuck | kk Thanks | 18:23 |
| ScottK | debfx: What's wrong with cmake depending on dpkg-dev? | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | http://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/ | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | there is surprisingly little progress | 18:29 |
| afiestas | mmm | 18:31 |
| afiestas | not sure why, but I had "Enable Keyboard Repeat" deactivted :/ | 18:31 |
| * apachelogger blames ScottK | 18:31 | |
| afiestas | not sure if it is because of my KDEHOME from trunk or because Kubuntu | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | I don't even know what a keyboard repeat is | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: last I checked we did not mess with that kind of stuff | 18:32 |
| afiestas | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <-- this is done by keyboard repeat :p | 18:32 |
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| apachelogger | afiestas: oh, no, we do not change that | 18:44 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: okz, I guess that trunk changed it at some point | 18:45 |
| afiestas | I got disconnected when I asked this (a few hours ago), what pim version is going to be ship with Natty? | 18:46 |
| afiestas | 4.4? | 18:46 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 18:47 |
| ScottK | IIRC there may be 4.6 as an alternate, but not default. | 18:47 |
| afiestas | okz | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | yeah, they it is really gonna be released | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | we will still ship 4.4 in vastly varpoware | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | whatever version that is gonna be | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | 14.10 or something | 18:47 |
| afiestas | uff, xrandr is not recognizing my crtrc (HDMI, VGA etc) so I can't extend the desktop ._. | 19:01 |
| shadeslayer | darn | 19:02 |
| shadeslayer | Ubuntu didn't get in | 19:02 |
| shadeslayer | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 | 19:02 |
| ScottK | KDE did though | 19:03 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 19:03 |
| Riddell | I don't think ubuntu even had an ideas page | 19:04 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: You could do a GSoC project for the Python Software Foundation. | 19:04 |
| Riddell | Ubuntu needs a Nightrose | 19:04 |
| shadeslayer | yeah :D | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | I can do a Nightrose for the PSF | 19:04 |
| Nightrose | lol | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | oh, hold on, how would that help youbuntoo | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | fooey | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: can I bombard kde-devel with wicked ideas now? | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: PSF takes all the Nightrose's and then Ubuntu get's left out | 19:05 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: yes | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | sweet | 19:05 |
| * shadeslayer stares at his blank proposal ... | 19:05 | |
| ScottK | apachelogger: You could propose to the PSF an alternate Python interpreter implmentation in Ruby. | 19:05 |
| * apachelogger opens a bottle to celebrate | 19:05 | |
| apachelogger | uhhhhh | 19:06 |
| ScottK | That might be a bit large though. | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | that would be fun | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | but since pyth0rns grammar is all silly, better not | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | I would screw up the parse tree | 19:06 |
| ScottK | Seems similar to Ruby to me, from what little I know of Ruby. | 19:06 |
| ScottK | Except you're still supposed to indent stuff even though it doesn't do anything. | 19:07 |
| shadeslayer | if there's one thing python teaches you, it's indenting | 19:08 |
| ScottK | Seems like double work to indent for readability and then have to do other stuff to mark structure. | 19:10 |
| ScottK | May as well get it all at once without double work. | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | well | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | in ruby you need to write end | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | in pyth0rn you get to indent every line | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: also ruby is a better language on grammer level IMHO | 19:11 |
| shadeslayer | yep ^^ | 19:11 |
| ScottK | It's possible my perspective is skewed by insanity inherent in Gems and Rails. | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | rails has fun code ^^ | 19:12 |
| apachelogger | someone went prototyping and then ended up using the result to build upon ^^ | 19:12 |
| bambee | apachelogger: libmygpo-qt uploaded on revu, since it's for amarok... I'm sure you're motivated to review this package :D | 19:29 |
| bambee | :p | 19:29 |
| apachelogger | why would I be? | 19:29 |
| bambee | I am kidding ^^ | 19:31 |
| ScottK | It's after 3PM even where I am. I'm sure apachelogger's been drinking past all reasosnable motivation. | 19:36 |
| * apachelogger has been drinking since 3pm where he is | 19:36 | |
| apachelogger | helped a lot with writing brainfuck code | 19:37 |
| sheytan | Hey | 20:07 |
| sheytan | why kdenetwork-fileshare isin't installed by default as it should? | 20:07 |
| sheytan | just downloaded the lates build of natty | 20:07 |
| sheytan | without it, there's no "share" tab when you choose properties from dolphin context menu | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | uhhh | 20:21 |
| apachelogger | wine | 20:21 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: when do I get me phonon website? :( | 20:21 |
| GrueMaster | Hmmm. oem-config-kde isn't installed on the natty-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap4.img.gz. Had to hack it in to get oem-config working. | 20:27 |
| GrueMaster | Other than that, kubuntu on omap4 is looking good again. (except for nepomuck crasing in the background). | 20:27 |
| apachelogger | I once had a crash | 20:29 |
| apachelogger | it crashed apport | 20:29 |
| apachelogger | that was a sad day :/ | 20:30 |
| * GrueMaster loves recursive apport crashes. | 20:32 | |
| JontheEchidna | I once had Dr. Konqi crash due to stack corruption by the parent program | 20:33 |
| JontheEchidna | or perhaps a third party program that crashed both; no way of really telling | 20:33 |
| apachelogger | if we reimplemented dr konqi in brianfuck .... | 20:34 |
| * apachelogger stops that thought right there and takes a sip | 20:34 | |
| ScottK | GrueMaster: What's the fix for getting that installed, do you know? | 20:36 |
| ScottK | Probably some seeding issue? | 20:36 |
| GrueMaster | oem-config-kde? Not sure. I'll ask NCommander. | 20:37 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 20:37 |
| NCommander | GrueMaster: ScottK: ogra did some stupid oem-config depends with jasper and seeds. In theory it shouldget pulled in by default | 20:38 |
| GrueMaster | So, what I found was that oem-config-kde was mia, and both oem-config-debconf & ubiquity-frontend-debconf were installed. | 20:38 |
| NCommander | in pratice it doesn't, and I believe it needs an explicate seed | 20:38 |
| ScottK | NCommander: OK. | 20:38 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Any thoughts on which seed? | 20:39 |
| ScottK | It's in ship already. | 20:39 |
| apachelogger | are we building from seeds yet? | 20:43 |
| apachelogger | last I checked our lives where like outdated | 20:43 |
| apachelogger | or maybe it was a dream | 20:43 |
| * apachelogger dreams of kubuntu mobile on vending machines for some reason | 20:43 | |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Preinstalled ~= Live | 20:44 |
| ScottK | err | 20:44 |
| ScottK | ~/! | 20:44 |
| apachelogger | oh | 20:44 |
| apachelogger | all the same to me | 20:44 |
| apachelogger | probably I was talking about former anyway | 20:45 |
| NCommander | ScottK: notsure :-( | 20:48 |
| ScottK | NCommander: What seeds are used to build the pre-installed image? It must be something as we don't have any specific seeds for pre-installed in the Kubuntu set. | 20:50 |
| NCommander | ScottK: it could be a livecd-rootfs specific hack. the code changedenoughthat I can't tell you off the top of my head | 20:51 |
| GrueMaster | It probably got clobbered when we added headless image builds to the mix. | 20:53 |
| bambee | I am away for the week end, see you again sunday | 22:21 |
| bambee | night | 22:21 |
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| debfx | Riddell: I've come up with this cmake patch: http://paste.kde.org/7621/ | 23:45 |
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