[03:04] <c2tarun> Riddell, ping
[03:04] <c2tarun> Riddell,you looked at amarok build? or should I file an upgrade bug for amarok in LP>
[07:48]  * c2tarun phew finally dsl connection worked on kubuntu :D
[07:50] <bambee> morning
[07:51] <c2tarun> Riddell: ping
[09:14] <bambee> Riddell: by the way I uploaded koffice-l10n to revu (I'm not sure, but we can do that for the main archives ?)
[09:16] <markey_nokia> hey folks
[09:16] <markey_nokia> Riddell: apachelogger: this link on Kubuntu.org is 404: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/kubuntu-10.04.1-alternate-amd64.iso
[09:16] <markey_nokia> found this out yesterday, when we wanted to download it
[09:17] <Riddell> thanks bambee, will take a look shortly
[09:19] <Riddell> markey_nokia: hmm, we're on .2 now not .2
[09:19] <Riddell> markey_nokia: hmm, we're on .2 now not .1
[09:19] <Riddell> where did you find that link?
[09:19] <markey_nokia> Riddell: typo then?
[09:19] <markey_nokia> Riddell: it's the download link... bottom of "direct download" page
[09:20] <Riddell> this page? http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[09:21] <markey_nokia> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block
[09:21] <markey_nokia> ^
[09:21] <bambee> Riddell: you're welcome. There are other things to do ? (directly or indirectly for kubuntu)
[09:30] <Riddell> bambee: http://stefan.derkits.at/files/libmygpo-qt/ needs packaged for amarok
[09:31] <Riddell> markey_nokia: hmm well kubuntu.org seems just to have broken
[09:32] <bambee> Riddell: Ok, I will package it
[09:45] <markey_nokia> Riddell: hmm ok. looks like a simple typo in the URL, no?
[09:45] <markey_nokia> 1 instead of 2
[09:46] <Riddell> yes, something not updated since .2 was released
[09:46] <Riddell> but now ubuntu.com is broken for me, tsk
[09:48] <Riddell> markey_nokia: pressing the Begin Download button gets the .2 for me
[09:48] <markey_nokia> lemme try again...
[09:48] <Riddell> ah hah, I see it
[09:49] <markey_nokia> Riddell: definitely gets the .1  here, and we tried it on several computers
[09:50] <Riddell> yep, onto it
[09:55] <Riddell> markey_nokia: fixed, thanks
[12:16] <Riddell> Binary only demotions to universe  o debconf-kde-helper                                            {debconf-kde}
[12:16] <Riddell> do we want that?
[12:17] <Riddell> dantti: does kpackagekit need that or is the library enough?
[12:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh .. you *can* disable them
[12:22] <shadeslayer> it's under settings
[12:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: disable what?
[12:22] <shadeslayer> derp
[12:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: google suggestions in rekonq
[12:22] <Riddell> pardon?
[12:23] <shadeslayer> http://identi.ca/notice/67301633
[12:23] <Riddell> oh right
[12:23] <Riddell> tell it to the microblogosphere :)
[12:23] <shadeslayer> i see the issue being resolved :P
[12:24] <shadeslayer> you can't exactly disable them
[12:24] <shadeslayer> because it would break the inherent nature of the urlbar thingy
[12:24] <Riddell> well make up your mind, you just said they could be
[12:25] <shadeslayer> yeah ... you can't .. i spoke too soon
[12:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell lolz http://www.wikipeetia.org/Ubuntu_(operateng_sytem)
[12:37] <Riddell> ScottK: why do we want python bindings for an obsolete library (qt assistant)?
[12:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Because they're there, people might be using them, so we might as well.  Also it will enable us to sync python-qt4 from Debian.
[12:40] <ScottK> In fact filing the sync request is on my TODO for this morning.
[12:41] <Riddell> syncing that from debian is good
[12:41] <Riddell> adding support for obsolete libraries isn't good though
[12:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: very odd
[12:41] <Riddell> but the sync wins out in goodness
[12:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whaddup
[12:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: must you be highlighting me though?
[12:41] <apachelogger> I am reverse engineering a ray tracer
[12:41] <apachelogger> this is madness!
[12:42] <shadeslayer> ah
[12:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: leave it ... it's madness
[12:42] <apachelogger> half the lines of my description start with "assumption:" the other half with "educated guess:"
[12:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Filed.
[12:43] <apachelogger> though I have an evil plan to conclude all assumptions and guesses in the last sentence, when the big picture emerged from the mess of shitty code
[12:54] <nigelb> Riddell: hey, where can I get the image for the Kubuntu stickers you gave out?
[12:56] <Riddell> the one with the broken typography?
[12:56] <nigelb> lol, yeah
[12:56] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/sticker.png
[12:56] <Riddell> but you'd be better recreating it
[12:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: I heard you have Project Neon stickers apparently
[12:57] <nigelb> Riddell: oh, in that case, do you have the svg?
[12:57] <nigelb> Quintasan: I have a few :D
[12:57] <Riddell> nigelb: no I made it in Krita
[12:57] <Riddell> Quintasan: come to UDS if you want them
[12:57] <nigelb> Riddell: ah.  I suck at anything design, I might just use the same thing again.
[12:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: Make Canonical give me sponsorship for sure :D
[12:58] <nigelb> Quintasan: ok, since Riddell is using the UDS clause, I won't offer to mail to you.
[12:58] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFFF
[12:58] <nigelb> lol
[12:58] <nigelb> I only have like 5 to 6 which I grabbed from shadeslayer :P
[12:58] <shadeslayer> hehe
[12:59] <Quintasan> show me em
[12:59] <shadeslayer> i have a bunch of them as well
[13:00] <nigelb> I'm planning to take 6 sheets of Ubuntu and Kubuntu stickers so I have some at every conf to give out :D
[13:01] <shadeslayer> Kewl :D
[13:18] <dantti> Riddell: the lib is enough
[13:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: on the one hand you want non-technical submission and on the other you do not like me proposing talks about vodka or wine, make up your mind :P
[13:19]  * Nightrose pokes apachelogger hard
[13:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how about ... "how to take over a dying project and make it sexy again"
[13:19] <Nightrose> sounds much better ;-)
[13:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: is that non-technical enough?
[13:20] <Nightrose> yes
[13:20] <apachelogger> splendid
[13:20] <Nightrose> :P
[13:40] <shadeslayer> whaa
[13:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that sounds like Project Neon
[13:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lets do a talk together
[13:41] <shadeslayer> where?
[13:41] <shadeslayer> Desktop Summit? :D
[13:42] <shadeslayer> Your room?
[13:42] <apachelogger> DS
[13:42]  * apachelogger writes some brainfuck
[13:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude ... i'm all for doing it, only constraint being, i don't want to be on a stage :P
[13:44] <apachelogger> fair enough, you get a mic and sit in the audience
[13:44] <shadeslayer> sure
[13:45] <shadeslayer> i get to be the guy who takes the mike to everyone in the audience
[13:45] <shadeslayer> when they have questions ofcourse
[13:48] <apachelogger> no questions allowed
[13:48]  * apachelogger had bad experiences with questions
[13:49] <markey_nokia> hmm, gtk-recordMyDesktop fails here
[13:49] <markey_nokia> some Python error
[13:49] <markey_nokia> is there a working alternative?
[13:49] <markey_nokia> need a screencast recorder
[13:50] <markey_nokia> "AttributeError: TrayPopupMenu instance has no attribute 'popupmenu_continueitem'"
[13:50] <ScottK> What's the error?
[13:50] <markey_nokia> see above :)
[13:50] <ScottK> Ah.
[13:51] <markey_nokia> any ideas?
[13:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: haha :D
[13:52] <ScottK> markey_nokia: How about RecordItNow?
[13:52] <markey_nokia> lemme check
[13:52] <ScottK> Google claims that's a Qt front end to it.
[13:52] <shadeslayer> there is
[13:53] <markey_nokia> "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[13:53] <markey_nokia> recorditnow: Depends: libpolkit-qt-1-0 but it is not going to be installed"
[13:53] <markey_nokia> can't install it
[13:53] <ScottK> sudo apt-get install python-appindicator may also help.
[13:53] <markey_nokia> ok
[13:53] <ScottK> (with the GTK one)
[13:54] <markey_nokia> that also gives an error...
[13:54] <markey_nokia> (using KPackageKit)
[13:54] <markey_nokia> is that PackageKit fail?
[13:54] <apachelogger> markey_nokia: you do not want to use recorditnow
[13:55] <apachelogger> http://verb3k.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/how-to-do-proper-screencasts-on-linux/
[13:55] <markey_nokia> ScottK: I do not want to use recorditnow
[13:55] <shadeslayer> haha LD
[13:55] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:55] <ScottK> markey_nokia: It's not the droid you are looking for.
[13:56] <markey_nokia> ScottK: indeed. I want an easy solution, just pressing a button or so
[13:56] <markey_nokia> hmm
[13:56] <markey_nokia> or I could run Linux in a VM, and use a Windows tool, I guess
[13:56] <markey_nokia> might work for now
[13:57] <markey_nokia> but still... I thought this is easy to do with Linux :)
[13:57] <markey_nokia> maybe it's not
[14:08] <Riddell> debfx: why is kubuntu/10_soundmenu_support.diff not needed in Amarok?
[14:14] <debfx> Riddell: I guess it's all handled by mpris, agateau told me it's not necessary anymore
[14:25] <Riddell> debfx: ok thanks
[14:37] <c2tarun> Riddell: ping amarok failed to build too :(
[14:40]  * c2tarun it seems packages are failing just because I build them :( koffice, kdeedu, amarok ....
[14:43] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: last few lines of FTBFS please
[14:43] <shadeslayer> or the whole log if you can pastebinit
[14:43] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: here is whole log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/66654622/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.amarok_2%3A2.4.0.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:44] <debfx> c2tarun: that's bug #737137
[14:44] <Riddell> everything is failing, presumably libz has had the multiarch treatment
[14:45] <c2tarun> who is working on it?
[14:45] <Riddell> nobody as far as I know
[14:46] <c2tarun> Importance: High and still unassigned.
[14:48] <c2tarun> somebody uploaded a file on that bug, anyone looked at it yet?
[14:50] <Riddell> that might be the best chance for a quick fix, just hardcoding in the new paths
[14:50] <Riddell> it'll need to be done once for each platform of course
[15:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you around to take care of the release meeting?
[15:03] <Riddell> ScottK: I am, anything you think I should mention?
[15:03] <Riddell> besides the world being broken due to multiarch
[15:03] <ScottK> I'd like to know where we are on the gles transition.
[15:04] <Riddell> mm, yes
[15:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why didn't you get this http://wetab.mobi
[15:47] <debfx> Riddell: I might have a fix for the cmake issue
[15:48] <Riddell> debfx: oh?
[15:48] <Riddell> do tell
[15:50] <debfx> Riddell: adding /lib/${CMAKE_SYSTEM_PROCESSOR}-${CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME}-${CMAKE_C_COMPILER_ID} to CMAKE_PLATFORM_IMPLICIT_LINK_DIRECTORIES
[15:50] <debfx> and  the same for /usr/lib
[15:50] <Riddell> that sounds promising
[15:52] <Riddell> debfx: in Modules/Platform/UnixPaths.cmake ?
[15:54] <debfx> Riddell: yes, http://paste.kde.org/7590/
[15:58] <Riddell> debfx: doesn't work on i386, it ends up as i686-linux-gnu
[16:00] <debfx> grr why is it i386 when we are building for i686
[16:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: idunno
[16:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: >++++++++++[<++++++>-]<.>
[16:06] <shadeslayer> what
[16:06] <shadeslayer> what is that
[16:06] <apachelogger> turing ftw
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> brainfuck programming language?
[16:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: brainfuck
[16:06]  * apachelogger is currently writing a svg builder in brainfck :D
[16:07]  * shadeslayer looks
[16:07] <Riddell> debfx: CMAKE_PLATFORM_IMPLICIT_LINK_DIRECTORIES doesn't work if regardless it seems, I need to set CMAKE_SYSTEM_LIBRARY_PATH
[16:07] <apachelogger> not using more than 6 cells
[16:07] <apachelogger> sorta madness
[16:08] <apachelogger> though originally I wanted to go with 3, turns out you spend half your time calculating perfect arithmetic manipulation ^^
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> compiling it with gcc?
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> I can imagine that the only thing harder than using that language is writing a compiler for it
[16:10] <apachelogger> nah, using bf
[16:10] <apachelogger> !info bf
[16:10] <Daskreech> !language | ubottu You should know better!
[16:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: actually writing a compiler is pretty easy as there is no complexity in the grammar
[16:11] <Daskreech> Stupid bot
[16:11] <Riddell> debfx: now I have http://paste.kde.org/7592/
[16:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if one knows how to build a parse tree that is ^^
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, somehow I like USC's recommendations better than mine (in Konsole): http://i.imgur.com/fGIvC.png
[16:13] <debfx> Riddell: I think we should add it to CMAKE_PLATFORM_IMPLICIT_LINK_DIRECTORIES as well
[16:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you will be eatien by appstream and slow package managers anyway
[16:14] <Riddell> debfx: ok
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> but but but... they're slow
[16:14] <apachelogger> I know
[16:14] <apachelogger> slow is the new fast
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> AppStream is an example of horrible technology being forced across the entire ecosystem
[16:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: your software is totally 1980's
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> well, maybe not horrible, but not great
[16:15] <apachelogger> appstream would not need to be so slow if they first forced a common stack across the ecosystem 
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> It's the cross-distro package management abstraction that is doing that
[16:16] <apachelogger> nonono
[16:16] <apachelogger> it is abstracting
[16:16] <apachelogger> ...abstraction comes at a price...
[16:17] <apachelogger> the stronger the abstraction the more you need to pay
[16:17] <apachelogger> ...
[16:17] <ScottK> Eventually it's just abstractions all the way down.
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> I don't see a cross-distro package manager as being a big need anyways, since most people will only ever experience on linux distro
[16:17] <apachelogger> nah, it is layers :P
[16:18] <apachelogger> abstraction is not necessarily capsulation
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> APT is what makes Debian-based distros shine in the first place, so I think not utilizing it to its fullest extent is diminishing what makes Debian-family great
[16:18] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: i've read that twice. Did you mean one linux distro?
[16:18] <ScottK> Daskreech: He did.
[16:18] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Agreed.
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: yes
[16:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: So is it Kpk/Muon shootout at the next UDS?
[16:19] <Daskreech> I'd disagree with that but ok
[16:19] <Daskreech> People are too fickle for that
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Yes, by 10.10 I expect there to be a "critical mass" of the Muon Suite having more features than {K}PK to justify switching
[16:20] <apachelogger> does it do appstream?
[16:20] <Riddell> 10.10?
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> er
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> 11.10
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> typo
[16:20] <apachelogger> cause even with slowness and stuff, appstream is the important community factor
[16:21] <apachelogger> (especially if you take project brezn into account)
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> why do we need to compromise on inferior technology when the average user will only ever use one distro?
[16:23] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I agree with your conclusion, although not necessarily the premise.
[16:23] <ScottK> The average user will use Windows because that's what came on their computer.
[16:24] <apachelogger> it is not about the user
[16:24] <apachelogger> it is about the software
[16:24] <apachelogger> all them distros put steam behind appstream
[16:24] <apachelogger> making it naturally more attractive for deployment as more people are concerned with improvement and maintenance and whatnot
[16:25] <apachelogger> also from a social POV it encourages more inter-distro knowledge exchange and stuff
[16:25] <ScottK> It's an interesting theory.  Not a new one though.
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> I could see Muon using certain components of AppStream, such as the application metadata rather than app-install-data
[16:26] <ScottK> Inter-distro knowledge exchange is not all good.  If I'm off inter-distro knowledge exchanging then I'm not working on my distro, so I need to get enough out of it to be worth the time.
[16:27] <ScottK> So far all I needed to know about OpenSUSE I learned from their patches in their BTS (don't use them).
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> and it seems that I already support the OCS reviews stuff since I support the Ubuntu reviews server (and could easily support another if the Ubuntu API isn't used)
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> so yeah, it could be said that Muon will support most of the AppStream bits, expect that the installation doesn't use PackageKit
[16:29] <apachelogger> supposedly appstream's spec is abstract enough from an implementation that it should not matter whether one uses pk at all?
[16:29] <apachelogger> (didn't read anything TBH, all I know comes from people telling me how awesome it is :P)
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> right, the usage of packagekit is totally in the realm of the client implementation
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/Implementation
[16:30] <apachelogger> I am all for a fast appstream ;)
[16:30] <apachelogger> that said
[16:30] <apachelogger> there is fragmentation
[16:30] <apachelogger> as the opensuse guys apparently did not consider building their initial impl based on kpk
[16:30] <apachelogger> making me go ewwwww
[16:31] <apachelogger> oh actually
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> right, it's not like Bretzn took any consideration to existing utilities anyways
[16:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: IIRC their KDE client looks very sexy
[16:31] <apachelogger> you should steal some things
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> I've not been able to find code
[16:31] <apachelogger> ah it is a stealh project
[16:31] <apachelogger> I always knew opensuse had something to do with the brotherhood of nod
[16:31] <apachelogger> now it becomes all too clear :P
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> I am not entirely convinced it is not vapourware :P
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> (j/k)
[16:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: fregl will know
[16:34] <apachelogger> IIRC he attended the meeting of the brotherhood and other distros regarding appstream
[16:34]  * apachelogger wonders how much code he should produce for his brainfuck program
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/EcCbj.png
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> ^I hate it when that happens
[16:35] <apachelogger> the trick is to not have food
[16:35] <apachelogger> I do not have any food
[16:35] <apachelogger> so I need to start drinking at 3pm
[16:36] <apachelogger> works out pretty well
[16:36] <bambee> there is an article on the wiki about kubuntu patches specs ? (mostly about the number)
[16:37] <Riddell> bambee: are you asking?
[16:37] <bambee> Riddell: yup
[16:38] <Riddell> bambee: I don't understand what you mean by kubuntu patches specs
[16:38] <Riddell> why is debconf ncurses now pink
[16:38] <Riddell> has someone ported fluffy to debconf?
[16:38]  * apachelogger hides
[16:38] <ScottK> Riddell: See kirkland's mail to ubuntu-devel last night.
[16:39] <apachelogger> debian is pink too, dont you know 
[16:39] <bambee> Riddell: patches are apparently named "kubuntu_NUMBER_what_does_my_patch.diff" => why a number ?
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> numbers are used to maintain order, in case two patches modify the same file
[16:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Except they don't maintain order.
[16:39] <ScottK> debian/patches/series does that.
[16:39] <ScottK> (they used to)
[16:40] <apachelogger> they maintain order with humans ;)
[16:40] <ScottK> Meh.
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> I guess that was back in the dpatch days
[16:40] <bambee> JontheEchidna: ok thanks
[16:40] <bambee> :)
[16:40] <apachelogger> of course people at times forget how quilt work and mess up the series
[16:40] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Actually simple-patchsys.  dpatch has 00list.
[16:40] <apachelogger> so quilt is not always in line with number thus humans
[16:41] <apachelogger> fortunately enough patches in kde rarely depend on each other ^^
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> that is because most KDE software is holy and needs not patching ^^
[16:42] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:42] <apachelogger> like phonon
[16:42] <apachelogger> you people actually patch my mighty phonon
[16:42] <apachelogger> very distrubing I must say
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> technically debian does
[16:43] <apachelogger> debian--
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> and we just pick up the changes
[16:43] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhh
[16:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: talking about colorz
[16:43] <apachelogger> I have a file somewhere that overloads the aubergine grub to be blue
[16:43] <apachelogger> probably should go in kds
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> ^yes plz
[16:44] <nigelb> apachelogger: I've in love with qt, finally :)
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> I don't want to ride the aubertruck
[16:44] <apachelogger> you nevar blogged the pic! :P
[16:44] <apachelogger> nigelb: you are doing a talk on Qt development at UADW then? :D
[16:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you doing KDE?
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> I dented it, though
[16:44] <apachelogger> pretty plz
[16:44] <nigelb> apachelogger: too many talks on qt at uadw
[16:44] <nigelb> apachelogger: Qt haz taken over.
[16:45] <apachelogger> well
[16:45] <apachelogger> for obvious reasons
[16:45] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek
[16:45] <nigelb> apachelogger: very obvious, once I started getting a hang of it.
[16:45] <nigelb> I'm still stumbling but very impressed too
[16:45]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna really hard so he adds a KDE talk
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you mean something like how to use KAppTemplate to kickstart app development?
[16:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh?  does that mess anything up?
[16:46] <Riddell> debfx: on arm this patch ends up with /lib/armv7l-linux-gnu
[16:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[16:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: very easy with grub2
[16:46] <Riddell> debfx: and it needs to be  /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi
[16:47] <apachelogger> it basically just has a higher number than the ubuntu thing and sets the color stuff to something else
[16:47] <Riddell> debfx: so I think we're best just to do it hardcoded by platform
[16:47] <apachelogger> has like 10 sloc or so
[16:47] <nigelb> JontheEchidna: that'd be good
[16:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: for example
[16:47] <nigelb> JontheEchidna: go and give instructions on a real world app
[16:47]  * JontheEchidna loves this runner: http://i.imgur.com/UkpCP.png
[16:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: write a micro blogging app so we can get rid of choqok :P
[16:48] <yofel> apachelogger: except for grub you need to remove the aubergine settings first before you set your own ones, I tried to override it in a higher number which looks horrible since I still got a aubergine background for about a second before mine came up
[16:48]  * apachelogger really wonders why text is broken in qml on android
[16:49] <nigelb> JontheEchidna: I second apachelogger
[16:49] <yofel> I did file a bug a while ago for it not being easily changable
[16:49] <apachelogger> yofel: get a faster machine :P
[16:49] <yofel> apachelogger: that's on my thinkpad! maybe I should blame nvidia
[16:49] <apachelogger> maybe
[16:49] <apachelogger> I did not see any funny color business on my netbook
[16:49]  * apachelogger is out of booze :O
[16:50] <apachelogger> zomg
[16:50] <ScottK> Riddell: You might talk to lool about armhf as it's going to make it a triplet, IIRC.
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> maybe I'll do something neat with QZeitgeist
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[16:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna++
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> oops, meant to put that in friday's slot
[16:53] <apachelogger> <3 wiki tables
[16:55] <afiestas> how time we have left to push BlueDevil 1.1 final?
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: actually tuesday is good, I miscalculated the UTC
[16:56] <ScottK> afiestas: Are there new features between what we have now and final?
[16:56] <ScottK> Before next Friday would be nice, in any case.
[16:56] <afiestas> ScottK: nope
[16:56] <ScottK> If we could get it next week, then it would be no trouble, after that we may have to justify it.
[16:57] <afiestas> okz
[16:57] <afiestas> I will start to work like a crazy then 
[16:57] <ScottK> Great.
[16:57] <afiestas> I have been kinda offline the last 3 weeks because of personal stuff so I have to catchup
[16:57] <ScottK> Welcome back.
[16:58] <afiestas> I'm going to downlad latest iso and install Kubuntu again
[16:58] <nigelb> apachelogger: 7 sessions from kde/qt
[16:58] <lool> Riddell, ScottK, debfx: If you look for the multiarch path, that might be subtly different; I think you want DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH
[16:58] <lool> The triplet is in DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE
[16:59] <lool> for instance on i386, DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH=i386-linux-gnu and DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE=i686-linux-gnu
[16:59] <ScottK> lool: Thanks.
[17:00] <Riddell> lool: well we need something that can be used outside of package building
[17:00] <Riddell> cmake is used by non packagers too
[17:01] <lool> Riddell: You need the multiarch library path?
[17:01] <Riddell> lool: yes, to find libraries in multiarch directories
[17:01] <lool> So slangasek has proposed a lsb-architecture helper I think
[17:01] <lool> but I'm not sure we're using that
[17:02] <lool> apparently, this is not used in dpkg; instead, gnutriplet_to_multiarch() basically returns the triplet except on i386
[17:03] <lool> Riddell: I would talk to slangasek and ask about the plans there
[17:03] <lool> he just came online some minutes ago
[17:03] <lool> http://paste.ubuntu.com/582163/ is the dpkg-dev triplet
[17:03] <Riddell> best thing he came up with was  $(gcc -print-search-dirs | cut -f2- -d'=' |sed -e's/:/\n/g'); do readlink -f $dir; done | uniq
[17:05] <lool> 18:04 < slangasek> yes, even if we were using lsb-architecture, this is not an  agreed lsb interface yet
[17:05] <lool> 18:04 < slangasek> dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH is the only standard  interface so far
[17:06] <Riddell> ah, that seems more promising
[17:06] <lool> But that's dpkg specific
[17:06] <Riddell> good enough for now I think
[17:06] <afiestas> what kdepim is kubuntu going to ship?
[17:06] <lool> DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH is what I was mentioning earlier, not sure whether you got it
[17:06] <lool> It was added to dpkg-architecture in natty recently
[17:23] <Riddell> debfx: how about this? http://paste.kde.org/7604/
[17:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the tab bar in rekonq doesn't like to redraw itself properly today, have you seen that?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:55] <shadeslayer> known regression
[17:55] <shadeslayer> lemme check logs if it was fixed
[17:56] <shadeslayer> commit ae58104b91693b0b1d7404b5fe7600d6c157a5ce
[17:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: rekonq should have a 0.6.90 release soonish
[17:57] <debfx> Riddell: we should hardcode the paths in that cmake files (i.e. calling dpkg-architecture only while building cmake)
[17:58] <Riddell> debfx: why?
[18:00] <Riddell>  parley : Depends: kdeedu-kvtml-data (= 4:4.6.0-0ubuntu2) but 4:4.6.1a-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[18:01] <Riddell> that's why kubuntu mobile isn't building on ARM
[18:01] <Riddell> which I guess is due to the cmake issue plus the gles issue
[18:02] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: with spell check? :P:P
[18:02] <Riddell> I'm not convinced kdeedu and kdegames are what kubuntu-mobile needs
[18:03] <Riddell> unless there are special mobile friendly versions
[18:03] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: that's a QtWebkit issue
[18:03] <shadeslayer> someone actually got the squiggly lines to work
[18:03] <Riddell> I think those are a leftover of netbook
[18:03] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: ahhh. QtWebkit got ya.
[18:05] <Riddell> testers needed for amarok beta in maverick https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages
[18:06] <debfx> Riddell: otherwise cmake would have to depend on dpkg-dev
[18:06] <Riddell> debfx: hmm
[18:07] <Riddell> debfx: any idea on the nicest way to hardcode it then?
[18:10] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: gimme a couple hours and I'll test
[18:13]  * apachelogger is back with booze!
[18:13] <DarkwingDuck> Hey apachelogger 
[18:14] <apachelogger> for a minute there I was afraid I might sober up
[18:14] <apachelogger> yo DarkwingDuck
[18:15] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: looks like I'll be doing TONs more with the Kubuntu Bug program
[18:15] <DarkwingDuck> And I have a few people who want to help building a better Kubuntu wiki
[18:15]  * apachelogger read tron
[18:15] <apachelogger> we could do os 12 from tron legacy
[18:15] <apachelogger> that looked like a nice system right there
[18:15] <apachelogger> a bit black maybe
[18:15] <shadeslayer> Anyone on natty getting random freezes
[18:15] <apachelogger> pink would be better
[18:16] <yofel> shadeslayer: for what?
[18:16] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I am all for better wikis
[18:16] <DarkwingDuck> Aye, pink... I still need to install fluffy for my wife.
[18:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: like ... random freezes overall
[18:16] <shadeslayer> i can't type anything
[18:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: only the random xrestart followed by graphics problems on second screen and eventually overheating
[18:16] <yofel> since I stopped using nouveau, no
[18:16] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: do you have any fluffy screen shots?
[18:16] <apachelogger> on my blogz
[18:16] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:17] <apachelogger> when will wayland be ready :(
[18:17]  * DarkwingDuck goes to find apachelogger blog
[18:17] <apachelogger> dude
[18:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: google fluffy linux
[18:17] <kubotu> Results for fluffy linux: 1. Fluffy | Apachelogger's Log: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/ | 2. Fluffy Linux – For Those Who Like Pink, Bunnies And Unicorn: http://techie-buzz.com/foss/fluffy-linux-for-those-who-like-pink-bunnies-and-unicorn.html | 3. Home: http://techie-buzz.com/
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> Oh, your blog is bookmarked
[18:20] <DarkwingDuck> Your PPA has the addons so I don't have to reinstall her system correct?
[18:20] <afiestas> back on NAtty :d
[18:22] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: This would be correct... correct? https://launchpad.net/~fluffy-dev/+archive/archive
[18:23] <apachelogger> yah
[18:23] <DarkwingDuck> kk Thanks
[18:29] <ScottK> debfx: What's wrong with cmake depending on dpkg-dev?
[18:29] <apachelogger> http://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/
[18:29] <apachelogger> there is surprisingly little progress
[18:31] <afiestas> mmm
[18:31] <afiestas> not sure why, but I had "Enable Keyboard Repeat" deactivted :/
[18:31]  * apachelogger blames ScottK
[18:32] <afiestas> not sure if it is because of my KDEHOME from trunk or because Kubuntu
[18:32] <apachelogger> I don't even know what a keyboard repeat is
[18:32] <apachelogger> afiestas: last I checked we did not mess with that kind of stuff
[18:32] <afiestas> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <-- this is done by keyboard repeat :p
[18:44] <apachelogger> afiestas: oh, no, we do not change that
[18:45] <afiestas> apachelogger: okz, I guess that trunk changed it at some point
[18:46] <afiestas> I got disconnected when I asked this (a few hours ago), what pim version is going to be ship with Natty?
[18:46] <afiestas> 4.4?
[18:47] <ScottK> Yes.
[18:47] <ScottK> IIRC there may be 4.6 as an alternate, but not default.
[18:47] <afiestas> okz
[18:47] <apachelogger> yeah, they it is really gonna be released
[18:47] <apachelogger> we will still ship 4.4 in vastly varpoware
[18:47] <apachelogger> whatever version that is gonna be
[18:47] <apachelogger> 14.10 or something
[19:01] <afiestas> uff, xrandr is not recognizing my crtrc (HDMI, VGA etc) so I can't extend the desktop ._.
[19:02] <shadeslayer> darn
[19:02] <shadeslayer> Ubuntu didn't get in
[19:02] <shadeslayer> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011
[19:03] <ScottK> KDE did though
[19:03] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:04] <Riddell> I don't think ubuntu even had an ideas page
[19:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: You could do a GSoC project for the Python Software Foundation.
[19:04] <Riddell> Ubuntu needs a Nightrose 
[19:04] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[19:04] <apachelogger> I can do a Nightrose for the PSF
[19:05] <Nightrose> lol
[19:05] <apachelogger> oh, hold on, how would that help youbuntoo
[19:05] <apachelogger> fooey
[19:05] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can I bombard kde-devel with wicked ideas now?
[19:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: PSF takes all the Nightrose's and then Ubuntu get's left out
[19:05] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yes
[19:05] <apachelogger> sweet
[19:05]  * shadeslayer stares at his blank proposal ...
[19:05] <ScottK> apachelogger: You could propose to the PSF an alternate Python interpreter implmentation in Ruby.
[19:05]  * apachelogger opens a bottle to celebrate
[19:06] <apachelogger> uhhhhh
[19:06] <ScottK> That might be a bit large though.
[19:06] <apachelogger> that would be fun
[19:06] <apachelogger> but since pyth0rns grammar is all silly, better not
[19:06] <apachelogger> I would screw up the parse tree
[19:06] <ScottK> Seems similar to Ruby to me, from what little I know of Ruby.
[19:07] <ScottK> Except you're still supposed to indent stuff even though it doesn't do anything.
[19:08] <shadeslayer> if there's one thing python teaches you, it's indenting
[19:10] <ScottK> Seems like double work to indent for readability and then have to do other stuff to mark structure.
[19:10] <ScottK> May as well get it all at once without double work.
[19:10] <apachelogger>  well
[19:10] <apachelogger> in ruby you need to write end
[19:10] <apachelogger> in pyth0rn you get to indent every line
[19:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: also ruby is a better language on grammer level IMHO
[19:11] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[19:11] <ScottK> It's possible my perspective is skewed by insanity inherent in Gems and Rails.
[19:12] <apachelogger> rails has fun code ^^
[19:12] <apachelogger> someone went prototyping and then ended up using the result to build upon ^^
[19:29] <bambee> apachelogger: libmygpo-qt uploaded on revu, since it's for amarok... I'm sure you're motivated to review this package :D
[19:29] <bambee> :p
[19:29] <apachelogger> why would I be?
[19:31] <bambee> I am kidding ^^
[19:36] <ScottK> It's after 3PM even where I am.  I'm sure apachelogger's been drinking past all reasosnable motivation.
[19:36]  * apachelogger has been drinking since 3pm where he is
[19:37] <apachelogger> helped a lot with writing brainfuck code
[20:07] <sheytan> Hey
[20:07] <sheytan> why kdenetwork-fileshare isin't installed by default as it should?
[20:07] <sheytan> just downloaded the lates build of natty
[20:07] <sheytan> without it, there's no "share" tab when you choose properties  from dolphin context menu
[20:21] <apachelogger> uhhh
[20:21] <apachelogger> wine
[20:21] <apachelogger> sheytan: when do I get me phonon website? :(
[20:27] <GrueMaster> Hmmm. oem-config-kde isn't installed on the natty-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap4.img.gz.  Had to hack it in to get oem-config working.
[20:27] <GrueMaster> Other than that, kubuntu on omap4 is looking good again.  (except for nepomuck crasing in the background).
[20:29] <apachelogger> I once had a crash
[20:29] <apachelogger> it crashed apport
[20:30] <apachelogger> that was a sad day :/
[20:32]  * GrueMaster loves recursive apport crashes.
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> I once had Dr. Konqi crash due to stack corruption by the parent program
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> or perhaps a third party program that crashed both; no way of really telling
[20:34] <apachelogger> if we reimplemented dr konqi in brianfuck ....
[20:34]  * apachelogger stops that thought right there and takes a sip
[20:36] <ScottK> GrueMaster: What's the fix for getting that installed, do you know?
[20:36] <ScottK> Probably some seeding issue?
[20:37] <GrueMaster> oem-config-kde?  Not sure.  I'll ask NCommander.
[20:37] <ScottK> Thanks.
[20:38] <NCommander> GrueMaster: ScottK: ogra did some stupid oem-config depends with jasper and seeds. In theory it shouldget pulled in by default
[20:38] <GrueMaster> So, what I found was that oem-config-kde was mia, and both oem-config-debconf & ubiquity-frontend-debconf were installed.
[20:38] <NCommander> in pratice it doesn't, and I believe it needs an explicate seed
[20:38] <ScottK> NCommander: OK. 
[20:39] <ScottK> NCommander: Any thoughts on which seed?
[20:39] <ScottK> It's in ship already.
[20:43] <apachelogger> are we building from seeds yet?
[20:43] <apachelogger> last I checked our lives where like outdated
[20:43] <apachelogger> or maybe it was a dream
[20:43]  * apachelogger dreams of kubuntu mobile on vending machines for some reason
[20:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: Preinstalled ~= Live
[20:44] <ScottK> err 
[20:44] <ScottK> ~/!
[20:44] <apachelogger> oh
[20:44] <apachelogger> all the same to me
[20:45] <apachelogger> probably I was talking about former anyway
[20:48] <NCommander> ScottK: notsure :-(
[20:50] <ScottK> NCommander: What seeds are used to build the pre-installed image?  It must be something as we don't have any specific seeds for pre-installed in the Kubuntu set.
[20:51] <NCommander> ScottK: it could be a livecd-rootfs specific hack. the code changedenoughthat I can't tell you off the top of my head
[20:53] <GrueMaster> It probably got clobbered when we added headless image builds to the mix.
[22:21] <bambee> I am away for the week end, see you again sunday
[22:21] <bambee> night
[23:45] <debfx> Riddell: I've come up with this cmake patch: http://paste.kde.org/7621/