[00:01] <MaximLevitsky> Don't know, but I can't convince myself
[00:01] <MaximLevitsky> Its just like  PA volume control
[00:01] <MaximLevitsky> Sure its nice, sure I use PA
[00:01] <MaximLevitsky> But nowI end up using alsamixer quite a lot
[00:02] <dasen> whats PA?
[00:02] <MaximLevitsky> Now I feel that using terminal is easier that unity
[00:02] <MaximLevitsky> PulseAudio
[00:02] <dasen> aha
[00:02] <dasen> :)
[00:02] <dasen> ah
[00:02] <dasen> why is it hard to use?
[00:02] <dasen> you can configure sound preferences from the icon on the top bar
[00:02] <MaximLevitsky> Because PA volume control hides many mixer lements
[00:02] <dasen> ohhh..
[00:02] <dasen> really, I didn't know that
[00:03] <MaximLevitsky> So life isn't pefect, sometimes I need to adjust them/verify them
[00:03] <dasen> why don't you join ayatana mailling list and voice your complains?
[00:04] <dasen> complaints
[00:04] <MaximLevitsky> will do soon, but meanwhile, I won't bother you :-). really thanks for listening to me
[00:05] <cyphase> what software is installed if you check "Install this third-party software" in ubiquity?
[00:05] <Daekdroom> cyphase, MP3 codec, I believe.
[00:05] <dasen> no prob :)
[00:06] <dasen> bye guys,. gonna sleep
[00:06] <cyphase> Daekdroom, but the description also mentions flash, other media, and some wifi cards
[00:06] <cyphase> Daekdroom, is that just theoretical?
[00:07] <Daekdroom> cyphase, if the description mentions that, I believe it installs it as well.
[00:07] <Daekdroom> The last time I looked at ubiquity was a month or two ago
[00:08] <cyphase> but you dont know specifically what it does..
[00:11] <cyphase> ah, found some info: http://askubuntu.com/questions/22285/clarification-of-the-third-party-software-options-during-system-installation
[00:47] <xAndromeda> ok it worked!
[00:47] <xAndromeda> thxx all :D
[00:49] <dlynch> Is anyone here a python module debugging guru? I'm getting 100% CPU usage when importing the module kaa.metadata. This started happening with 10.10. I don't know how to isolate the problem, because when I test it using trivial code, I cannot reproduce it. But in a complex program, the bug happens every time. Running strace reveals errors but I have no idea how to interpret it's output!
[00:52] <jbicha> I'm having problems with virtualbox-ose and the 38-7 kernel
[01:14] <MaximLevitsky> anybody else just did a update?
[01:14] <MaximLevitsky> I seem to lost ability to change desktop themes, see an default ugly gtl theme
[01:18] <jbicha> MaximLevitsky: are you using the gnome3 ppa?
[01:18] <seiuno> any ideas on this message:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1678570&highlight=fixing+recursive+fault+reboot+needed
[01:19] <MaximLevitsky> jbicha: no, just alpha3
[01:19] <MaximLevitsky> then I used update manager
[02:41] <Awsoonn> It seems that natty install takes longer than 10.10, do others see the same deal?
[04:09] <DanaG> (gtk-update-icon-cache:11424): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory
[04:10] <DanaG> I get that spewed all over the place.
[04:10] <DanaG> And true enough, that file is missing.
[05:37] <litropy> Where do I find tutorials for Nux?
[06:22] <alteregod> i dope beta1 is cumming
[06:23] <alteregod> natty dread or something
[06:23] <bazhang> !11.04 > alteregod
[06:24] <alteregod> well as long as it uses 2.6.38 its ok, i dont use a desktop environment
[06:24] <bazhang> !info linux | alteregod
[06:51] <dv-> how am I supposed to close just one firefox window now?
[06:52] <dv-> ctrl-w closes 1 tab, ctrl-q closes all windows
[07:04] <litropy> I have downloaded all the files at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/nux/trunk/files/head:/examples/ and am now trying to compile. Any ideas?
[08:06] <hasenj> after upgrading to natty, is there a way to update all my ppas to use natty instead of maverick?
[08:24] <geser> you have to check if your used PPAs have packages for natty already
[08:45] <ChrisBuchholz> Hello guys. I want to know; how do i decide if a maximized window should fill out all horizontal space, or should be shown side by side with the Unity Dock? Sometimes maximized windows doesnt hide Dock, other times it does, and i cant find out how do "toggle" it to change?
[09:13] <Mkaysi> "Listen to music" in Unity opens Firefox ?
[10:26] <j0llyr0tten> i upgraded to natty and wifi broke
[11:10] <gil> morning - is anyone here using the gnome 3 team ppa with natty?
[11:11] <nlsthzn> Pet Peeve question... when I click the Ubuntu logo my "Listen to Music" icon is a white sheet and not the banshee icon... how can I fix this?
[11:19] <nit-wit> nlsthzn, right click icon the properties then click on the icon in the next screen it will take you to home
[11:21] <nlsthzn> nit-wit: sorry... I didn't follow that clearly? Also, I see now clicking on the link opens FF and not Banshee, lol...
[11:23] <nlsthzn> nit-wit: never mind... set defaul application for multi media to banshee... all solved :) thx for the assistance
[11:53] <ebischoff> Hello everyone. A small note to inform that kmix process (sound mixer) was eating 92% cpu here today on natty. I don't know whether it's reproduceable or not yet
[11:53] <HyperHoRse> can you install ubuntu 11.04 onto a  usb easily?
[11:55] <bazhang> unetbootin HyperHoRse
[11:57] <rr0hit> bazhang: he is not here yet
[11:57] <bullgard4> What part of Grub_2 writes this message just after pressing the computer's power switch: "GNU GRUB version 1.98-1ubuntu9; Minimal BASH-like editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists possible device or file completions. grub> -"?
[11:57] <bazhang> rr0hit, au contraire, he quit already
[11:58] <rr0hit> oh
[12:07] <rr0hit> Does evey one have a "Listen to Music" item in the menu that appears on clicking ubuntu symbol on top left, clicking which opens a firefox window?
[12:29] <kim0> hey guys, just a note, I was getting distorted metallic flash sound .. I think this was the memcpy flash bug. The flashplugin64_installer pkg has pushed a memcpy-revert.so that should hopefully fix that problem
[12:45] <weboide> Is nvidia-current 270.30 supposed to depends on xorg-video-abi-9, not 10 since xserver-xorg-core now provides xorg-video-abi-10? GDM won't load.
[12:46] <weboide> It looks like it should be bumped to depend on xorg-video-abi-10.
[12:54] <gnomefreak> anyone else having issues booting with last 2 kernels?
[12:55] <weboide> gnomefreak: what sort of issues?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> cant boot. moniter goes into sleep mode(for lack of better word) during plymouth
[12:57] <gnomefreak> i had to hit ctrl+alt+F# than atl+ctrl+F7
[12:58] <weboide> mine won't load gdm, so certainly a different issue =/
[13:04] <gnomefreak> i dont get that far unless i do the above. all 3 of my kernel do it
[13:13] <weboide> gnomefreak: have you tried nomodeset, noapic, etc?
[13:14] <gnomefreak> no not yet
[13:58] <gnomefreak> i cant seem to add indicator-weather to upper panel anymore. any ideas
[14:00] <gnomefreak> also if any ideas on why my dock wont retract off screen when not in use
[14:09] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:09] <alket> Is Natty quite stable , I mean does it have major bugs ?
[14:11] <weboide> nvidia drivers seem broken right now
[14:14] <gnomefreak> my new printer is not found on natty and its an HP it should work pretty much out of box
[14:14] <gnomefreak> same with flgrx and some intel issues
[14:14] <yofel> weboide: they're being rebuilt
[14:15] <weboide> yofel: neat :)
[14:15] <gnomefreak> alket: there are a fair amount of design bugs atm
[14:15] <gnomefreak> and if i cant fingure the printer issue oiut it will have printer bugs
[14:17] <weboide> yofel: is this going to be  270.30-0ubuntu2
[14:17] <weboide> yofel: I meant 0ubuntu3 ?
[14:17] <yofel> ubuntu2 is ok, the driver should be held back currently
[14:18] <weboide> yofel: ubuntu2 has been built against xorg-dev .99, so it points to xorg-video-abi-9 instead of -10
[14:19] <weboide> yofel: and xserver-xorg-core now provides xorg-video-abi-10
[14:20] <yofel> hm, ubuntu1 depends on abi-9 here, ubuntu2 isn't built yet
[14:21] <weboide> yofel: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/i386/nvidia-current/270.30-0ubuntu2
[14:22] <weboide> yofel: ahhh I see, i386 is broken, amd64  is fine
[14:23] <gnomefreak> is there anyway to force natty to find/see/recognize my printer. if not any idea on how to obtain the URI for it?
[14:23] <gnomefreak> win 22
[14:28] <syn3rgy>  Worried about Wayland replacing the x stack. I admin some computer at work and already hear enough moaning about ie MS Office blah blah. Our machines are all using GLX 460 graphic cards.
[14:28] <syn3rgy>  We do a lot of Blender work on 1080p screens. Has Nvidia decided to work with Wayland?
[14:29] <IdleOne> wayland is not being used in Ubuntu, yet
[14:30] <IdleOne> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2011-March/001484.html
[14:30] <IdleOne> if you would like to help with testing and making sure nvidia works in natty for you ^^
[14:31] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: any idea on how to make the dock leave the screen so it doesnt block my view? other than resizing window
[14:31] <syn3rgy> IdleOne I was thinking bout in 11.04. I have the alpha in a VM it more or looks the same as 10.10.
[14:31] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: nope sorry, I haven't been running natty in a couple months.
[14:32] <yofel> syn3rgy: the last nvidia statement on wayland I heard of (on phoronix) was that they have no intention of supporting wayland anytime soon (for years probably)
[14:33] <yofel> so I hope we'll live in an X/Wayland mixed env for a long time
[14:34] <syn3rgy> yofel yeah I am in that # too. Seems that Ubuntu is thinking about the Mobile sector. Example Android does not use X.
[14:37] <syn3rgy> So in short, if you upgrade to Natty you will not be able to get the fullest out of your Nvidia card or ATI. Just Intel and that is fine with Sandy Bridge.
[14:37] <yofel> hm? I'm running natty with nvidia fine here
[14:37] <yofel> except today would be a bad idea to upgrade
[14:37] <yofel> as xserver 1.10 final is just being uploaded
[14:37] <syn3rgy> yofel what drivers are you using?
[14:38] <yofel> nvidia 270.29
[14:38] <weboide> I updated right at the worst moment... :( I fell into that black hole
[14:38] <syn3rgy> yofel now that is good news. Are you using xswat?
[14:38] <syn3rgy> weboide I have done that many times. lol
[14:39] <weboide> syn3rgy: natty nvidia 270.30 drivers are broken right now for i386
[14:39] <syn3rgy> weboide had to do quite a lot dist-upgrades or just force
[14:39] <yofel> syn3rgy: I am, but 270.30 was uploaded to the archive too today, so hopefully tomorrow should be good to upgrade
[14:40] <syn3rgy> weboide yeah and they really wont work at all with VMware 3D and have problems with flash.
[14:41] <weboide> syn3rgy: dependencies are broken, so you'll end up with nvidia-current not installable, if you are using i386.
[14:41] <syn3rgy> weboide ouch.
[14:43] <syn3rgy> weboide I really love ppa-purge if you like living on the cutting edge. Will safely remove xswat and revert any other junk you might have tested.
[14:45] <syn3rgy> OK lets take this from square one: My mother upgrades 10.10 to 11.04 with your Nvidia system. Will I get a moaning phone call from her?
[14:45] <yofel> If you use update-manager I don't think it will even let you upgrade today
[14:46] <syn3rgy> I mean when it is released.
[14:46] <yofel> well, shouldn't be the case
[14:46] <patdk-wk> how could anyone know that currently?
[14:46] <weboide> that happened to me, now i'm wondering what apt-get did :(
[14:47] <patdk-wk> it's still in alpha, not beta or even rc's yet
[14:47] <syn3rgy> patdk-wk well if Natty lets you use Unity with xorg that wont be a problem.
[14:47] <yofel> weboide: /var/log/apt/history.log should tell you
[14:47] <yofel> syn3rgy: we will still use X as default, wayland is there, but only for experiments
[14:48] <syn3rgy> yofel then all is rainbows and pink ponies :D
[14:48] <patdk-wk> and on uprgade, unity won't take over, but I'm not sure on that
[14:48] <patdk-wk> shouldn't it still default to gnome?
[14:49] <yofel> it should default to the last used session, but If they renamed the session name I don't know what gdm will do
[14:50] <mikebeecham> Is 11.04 usable for day to day use yet?
[14:50] <weboide> yofel: looks like I stayed with 270.29, but got xorg 1.10.0-0ubuntu1, so ABI issue maybe...
[14:50] <mikebeecham> or are things still likely to break?
[14:50] <yofel> weboide: er... that combination won't even install here
[14:51] <weboide> yofel: do you have i386?
[14:51] <yofel> amd64
[14:51] <jrr> mikebeecham: I updated a couple of my machines a couple days ago to then-latest natty and had no issues
[14:51] <jrr> previously (a couple months ago) was another story
[14:51] <weboide> yofel: that's why, dependencies are good for amd64, but not for i386
[14:51] <yofel> oh wait, I got 270.30 with rc2, eeek
[14:51] <yofel> better not reboot...
[14:51] <patdk-wk> hehe
[14:52]  * patdk-wk updates just to see what happens :)
[14:52] <weboide> yofel: well you should be good, since you must have xorg 1.10 as well, no?
[14:52] <syn3rgy> Oh by the way I compiled Gnome to work with multiseat. This is really cool, I have 1 computer with 3 users using their own desktops on i at the same time. Had to patch GDM and consolekit.
[14:52] <yofel> weboide: no, as I said, I have rc2 (which provides abi-9) and 270.30 drops support for -9
[14:53] <yofel> they were discussing in #ubuntu-x that the abi handling of the nvidia packages isn't great
[14:53] <weboide> yofel: ah sorry, I see. =/
[14:53] <patdk-wk> damn it's been awhile, 626 upgraded packages
[14:53] <patdk-wk> but there are missing ones here for amd64
[14:55] <weboide> I should probably file a bug for nvidia-current i386 then, so that it gets rebuilt
[14:55]  * gnomefreak doesnt use 64bit on my amd
[14:55] <gnomefreak> weboide: it is being done IIRC
[14:55] <yofel> weboide: just ping tjaalton in #ubuntu-x if it's still broken in a few hours
[14:56] <weboide> alright
[14:56]  * patdk-wk wonders when we will get 3d vmware drivers
[14:56] <genii-around> yofel: My dist-upgrade about an hour ago messed everything up again and it was groaning again about an xorg abi-9 package. Had to manually apt-get source nvidia-current and run everything, etc
[14:57] <weboide> genii-around: do you have i386?
[14:57] <yofel> genii-around: yeah, I'm doing that too right now
[14:57] <gnomefreak> genii-around: X packages are held back due to nvidia,ati non-free drivers
[14:57] <genii-around> weboide: No
[14:57] <gnomefreak> dist-upgrade should remove X packages
[14:57] <weboide> genii-around: okay
[14:57] <weboide> I rebuilt nvidia-current manually, but didn't help..
[14:58] <weboide> I guess I'll just wait for official builds
[14:58] <syn3rgy> patdk-wk I had to revert my xswat to get VMware to work with 3D in 10.10. VMware told me that they might have it worked out in a few months.
[14:58] <gnomefreak> i would think that they are on the PPAs however i wouldnt try it just incase
[14:59] <gnomefreak> yofel: did we drop CUPS for the lpd(or whatever they are called)
[14:59] <dneary> Hi
[14:59] <dneary> I fucked up
[14:59] <gnomefreak> dneary: hi
[14:59] <dneary> gnomefreak, Howya
[14:59] <yofel> gnomefreak: if we did then I didn't notice
[14:59] <syn3rgy> Does Viralbox work with the newer 3D drivers ?
[14:59] <gnomefreak> dneary: please watch your language
[14:59] <dneary> gnomefreak, But I really did :)
[15:00] <dneary> I was using a GNOME 2 session with auto-login on Natty
[15:00] <dneary> And now GNOME 2 packages have disappeared
[15:00] <dneary> So when I boot, I auto-boot into an empty screen
[15:00] <dneary> And I don't know how to disable the "auto-login" option for gdm
[15:00] <gnomefreak> yofel: i thought we did in Lucid but cant recall. i hate that i can only use one window do set up printer either its a network printer or i need the URI for the printer. i remember it being alot easier, even auto detecting printers
[15:01] <gnomefreak> dneary: in classic desktop or unity?
[15:01] <dneary> I didn't realise the f word was considered off limits here
[15:01] <dneary> gnomefreak, Classic
[15:01] <syn3rgy> ... my gut feeling about this is that I don't like where Canonical is going with this.
[15:01] <dneary> I guess it was an update yesterday or the day before?
[15:01] <gnomefreak> dneary: you should see login screen in System->admin>login screen
[15:01] <yofel> gnomefreak: hm, I only have a HP network printer, and hplip-gui finds that fine
[15:01] <dneary> I've been dist-upgrading every 2-3 days
[15:01] <gnomefreak> unlock it and set it in there
[15:02] <dneary> gnomefreak, I see literally an empty screen (Saturn background)
[15:02] <dneary> Nautilus is still there, but gnome-panel's gone
[15:02] <gnomefreak> yofel: thanks ill try to isntall it
[15:02] <dneary> No longer installed
[15:02] <gnomefreak> dneary: can you open a terminal or get into a TTY?
[15:02] <dneary> And metacity doesn't appear to be starting
[15:02] <dneary> I'm on pty1
[15:03] <dneary> Ah.
[15:03] <gnomefreak> dneary: than you have more than 1 problem. it sounds like packages were removed upon upgrae that should not have been
[15:03] <dneary> Got Metacity running now :) and have a gnome-terminal over Jupiter's big red spot
[15:03] <gnomefreak> sounds like compiz crashes but could be a number of different things
[15:03] <dneary> But I started it manually
[15:03] <genii-around> yofel: I had to go make the nvidia-current/xorg nvidia-current/tls nvidia-current/vdpau dirs in /usr/lib and /usr/lib32  before it successfully made. Also it didn't like some glx file that wasn't a symlink
[15:03] <gnomefreak> than compiz is best bet
[15:03] <dneary> gnomefreak, I doubt compiz was the window manager
[15:04] <gnomefreak> dneary: it is by default
[15:04] <yofel> genii-around: sounds like multiarch mess :S
[15:04] <gnomefreak> or its both by default
[15:04] <dneary> But as I said when I joined, I'm not "by default" - I was using the gnome classic
[15:04] <dneary> In fact, I wanted to use gnome-shell, but getting that working was a bit of a hassle
[15:04] <dneary> But that's another story
[15:05] <genii-around> yofel: It says at start that it couldn't execute the preinstall script. Likely in there is the issue
[15:05] <gnomefreak> yofel: i remeber that package now. i filed a bug on it since it was only QT asked for a gtk build
[15:05] <gnomefreak> yofel: do you know of a GTK alternative?
[15:05] <yofel> no
[15:05] <dneary> It seemed like there was a "cleaning out" of some legacy stuff over the weekend
[15:05] <dneary> Is that not correct?
[15:06] <dneary> I think the easy solution would be to just wipe my gdm preferences - are they in /etc/Xorg or ~?
[15:06] <dneary> sorry - /etc/X11
[15:08] <gnomefreak> oh crap i just lost everything all panels,docks open apps other than terminal
[15:09] <gnomefreak> i guess ill be back
[15:09] <dneary> gnomefreak, See? :)
[15:09] <dneary> gnomefreak, Guess it isn't just me
[15:09] <yofel> hm, odd, nvidia-current failed to build in pbuilder, but built fine when running dpkg-buildpackage by hand o.O
[15:10] <patdk-wk> dependency missing from the build config?
[15:10] <patdk-wk> can't imagine that is the case, but
[15:11] <yofel> well, it failed due to missing execstack, but that was installed
[15:11] <nicofs_> After upgrading / dist-upgrading today, my Xorg (Xubuntu) doesn't start properly - all i get is a blank screen after boot. login on tty1 is possible, gdm is running, trying to start Xorg results in "no screens found".
[15:11] <nicofs_> (sorry, my internet just died)
[15:11] <yofel> and running dpkg-buildpackage by hand in pbuilder finished fine
[15:11] <genii-around> nicofs_: nvidia card?
[15:11] <nicofs_> genii-around, yes
[15:12] <yofel> nicofs_: you didn't apply a partial upgrade, did you?
[15:12] <weboide> nicofs_: i386?
[15:12] <mateobur> hello
[15:12] <mateobur> I would like to configure my launcher, but I don't see any option to do this
[15:13] <nicofs> yofel, apt-get upgrade & apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:13] <weboide> nicofs: you might have fell in the same black hole I fell into...
[15:13] <nicofs> weboide, 64bit
[15:13] <weboide> nicofs: ahhh maybe not
[15:14] <yofel> nicofs: did you reboot? if you have nvidia 270.30 installe together with xserver 1.10 rc2 you'll need to add ignoreABI in xorg.conf
[15:14] <charlie-tca> wOw! 64bit desktop is installing today
[15:14] <nicofs> yofel, it started after rebooting... where do i put that in xorg.conf?
[15:14] <weboide> yofel: I guess I'll try that ignoreABI, that might help
[15:15] <yofel> nicofs: should look like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/582126/
[15:15] <weboide> yofel: or my problem is reverse, I've got 270.29 with xserver 1.10 final I think
[15:15] <yofel> except the brightness option, that's just my system
[15:16] <nicofs> where is xorg.conf?
[15:16] <yofel> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:16] <nicofs> just found it
[15:16]  * yofel removes open source drivers...
[15:17] <syn3rgy> Is coolbits working again on the 270.29 for Nvidia?
[15:17] <nicofs> yofel, i don't have the server section part...
[15:17] <yofel> nicofs: the serverFlags section isn't there usually, add it
[15:18] <bjsnider> yofel, .30 should work with xserver 1.10 rc2
[15:18] <yofel> bjsnider: IIRC aaron said they dropped support for rc2, maybe I just heard wrong
[15:18] <yofel> since rc2 was pretty short-lived
[15:19] <weboide> does the other way around work ? 270.30 with 1.10 final? =/
[15:19] <bjsnider> rc2 is an older version, so it should work
[15:19] <weboide> 270.29 I meant.
[15:19] <bjsnider> no
[15:19] <weboide> darn it :'(
[15:19] <bjsnider> well, i don't think you have to curse about it
[15:20] <weboide> sorry, I'm just in that hole, waiting for nvidia-current to rebuild, if it will.
[15:20] <nicofs> ahhh... back in business... Xorg -configure resolved the problem...
[15:22] <genii-around> Hm. Mine is 270.30
[15:23] <bjsnider> weboide, i think it did build
[15:23] <yofel> ah, ubuntu2 was still broken, ubuntu3 should work
[15:23]  * yofel reboots
[15:25] <weboide> bjsnider: nvidia-current 270.30-0ubuntu2 in i386   is broken, I need to wait for ubuntu3
[15:25] <bjsnider> i think it's done
[15:25] <weboide> oh
[15:26] <weboide> bjsnider: I dont see: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers
[15:26] <weboide> bjsnider: oh sorry, latest upload I see
[15:27] <weboide> bjsnider: yay it's building :)))) thanks
[15:27] <patdk-wk> hmm, well this updated ok
[15:27] <patdk-wk> but everything is crashing like nuts
[15:28] <bjsnider> it builds very quickly because all of the dhared libs and the kernel module are pre-built by nvidia. so it finishes in a couple of minutes
[15:28] <patdk-wk> even the crash report program is crashing :)
[15:29] <weboide> but publishing takes long sometimes
[15:29] <robotti^> ´/n
[15:30] <bjsnider> weboide, you can download the package and manually upgrade it if you want, before it's published
[15:31] <weboide> bjsnider: i386 is built and ready, looks like :)
[15:32]  * weboide is off to try that new package
[15:39] <nicofs> Ok. What happend: a recent upgrade made the proprietary nvidia drivers disappear that previously controlled my 2 displays. with a new xorg.conf i can get the gui running - without panel. that looks for the 2 displays controlled by the nvidia driver that are not there anymore...
[15:41] <Omega> What version of firefox is currently shipped with natty?
[15:44] <bazhang> !find firefox
[15:44] <bazhang> !info firefox
[15:44] <bazhang> Omega, ^
[15:45] <Omega> Thanks.
[15:48] <gnomefreak> who was it that had an issue with gnome/compiz that i spoke to before i left
[15:48] <gnomefreak> yay fixed printer :)
[15:49] <weboide> gnomefreak: was it dneary ?
[15:49] <gnomefreak> weboide: ah yes it was thanks
[15:49] <dneary> weboide, Yes
[15:49] <dneary> weboide, Seems like it's partially resolves
[15:49] <gnomefreak> dneary: the reason my panels dissaappeared was due to compiz crash
[15:49] <dneary> I reinstalled gnome-panel
[15:49] <gnomefreak> it has been a probem for a while
[15:49]  * weboide is sad, new nvidia-current build does not help :( gdm won't start
[15:50] <dneary> created a new test user to ensure that gdm + unity was worning OK
[15:50] <dneary> A bunch of stuff is still crashing during the Unity session launch (gconf stuff, the Me menu)
[15:51] <dneary> And in the GDM screen, I'm still not seeing the session chooser
[15:51] <dneary> (the menus at the bottom of the screen)
[15:51] <dneary> So things are still pretty messed up
[15:51] <dneary> But hopefully I can still get some work done this afternoon
[15:52] <dneary> Ah. /me sees the menus appear when you click the user
[15:52] <dneary> Let's see how this looks
[15:52] <dneary> Icons on desktop, panels top & bottom... check!
[15:52] <kubu2> new xorg-core wants to remove xorg-video-radeon? is this just a pkg dep or there is soemthing new in the driver?
[15:52] <dneary> Me menu... nope :(
[15:53] <dneary> Will live with it
[15:53] <dneary> Thanks for the help
[15:53] <kubu2> if none then it's safe to force install
[15:55] <nicofs> Is there any config file for the xfce4-panel? my panel tries to start on a display that doesn't exist anymore and hence crashes...
[16:10] <coz_>  hey all
[16:13]  * weboide found out that apt-get actually removed xorg-server package, that's why GDM wouldn't start! =X
[16:22] <alex_mayorga> Can I get some sets of eyes on bug 727365 please?
[16:24] <alex_mayorga> How can I debug? I'm getting that one almost every 15 minutes :(
[16:35] <gnomefreak> what is the command to use apport to file a bug on a crash in /var/crash? its not "apport"
[16:36] <yofel> apport-bug/ubuntu-bug/apport-cli /var/crash/<crashfile>
[16:36] <yofel> or just open /var/crash in your file manager and open it
[16:40] <gnomefreak> yofel: thanks
[16:42] <gnomefreak> can i run more than one apport at a time?
[16:43] <gnomefreak> apport crashed while trying to report a crash
[16:44] <gnomefreak> yofel: apport-bug/ubuntu-bug/apport-cli /var/crash/<crashfile>   does not work. let me try a few more things but so far i get no such file
[16:44] <yofel> erm, only use 1 of the first 3 commands
[16:44]  * yofel should have used | not /
[16:45] <gnomefreak> bash: apport-bug/ubuntu-bug/apport-cli: No such file or directory
[16:45] <gnomefreak> oh
[16:45] <yofel> sorry
[16:45] <gnomefreak> and apport crashes in CLi too
[16:46] <gnomefreak> yep no matter what i do apport is crashing all over the place
[16:49] <gnomefreak> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/582157/
[16:51] <gnomefreak> yofel: would ubuntu-bug compiz collect the info from that file if i dont use the file path?
[16:51]  * yofel doesn't get how http://paste.ubuntu.com/582158/ can NOT return a number
[16:52] <yofel> gnomefreak: which apport version?
[16:52] <gnomefreak> yofel: 1.19-0ubuntu3
[16:52] <yofel> hm, same here...
[16:53] <gnomefreak> when using apport-cli or file manager are the only ones that generate a report in /var/crash the other 2 did not generate a report
[16:54]  * gnomefreak has an idea 
[17:01]  * genii-around examines the lightbulb over gnomefreak's head but gets no clues
[17:03] <gnomefreak> :) using ubuntu-bug package than attaching /var/crash/file.. to bug seems to have worked
[17:03] <gnomefreak> well now i wait for it to attach
[17:04]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke while i wait
[17:09] <yofel> gnomefreak: give me the bug # once it's uploaded, I would like to see if I can crash apport here too
[17:11] <gnomefreak> yofel: bug 737667
[17:13] <gnomefreak> yofel: that is the compiz bug. not sure how much time for apport bug but i will at least start on it
[17:17] <yofel> doesn't crash apport here...
[17:17] <gnomefreak> ok im attaching the files to the bug report. it is a very short report but i can add info at another time
[17:22] <vivid> ui freeze in a week....scary
[17:32] <ellar> hello, where do i find xorg-video-abi-9, linked by the amd and nivida packages?
[17:32] <dan2> hey guys, I'm getting GL artifacts all over the screen in kubuntu natty, but it doesn't come all the time
[17:32] <dan2> in fact it comes after quite a period of use
[17:32] <dan2> restarting X does not appear to alleviate the situation
[17:47] <alex_mayorga> What else should I provide on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/727365 ?
[17:48] <Daekdroom> indicator-soundmenu is again resetting volume to 0 when opening rhythmbox =/
[18:08] <weboide> alex_mayorga: bug 727190 does not seem to a valid bug report
[18:09] <alex_mayorga> weboide: mind to explain why?
[18:09] <weboide> alex_mayorga: is it a launchpad bug? it does not link anywhere
[18:09] <alex_mayorga> weboide: never mind, it's valid but is marked private
[18:09] <weboide> alex_mayorga: Ok, that's why
[18:10] <alex_mayorga> anything I can do about that?
[18:10] <tsimpson> not unless you were the original reporter
[18:11] <alex_mayorga> tsimpson: I am
[18:11] <tsimpson> then there will be a button on the top right of the page to make it public
[18:12] <tsimpson> near the text "This report is private"
[18:12] <yofel> it's a crash, I'll review it
[18:12] <alex_mayorga> tsimpson: thanks, I've changed that
[18:12] <alex_mayorga> bug 727190 should be visible now
[18:13] <yofel> nvm then
[18:13] <tsimpson> alex_mayorga: are you certain there is no private information in the report?
[18:13] <alex_mayorga> hopefully my Swiss bank accounts aren't there :D
[18:13] <tsimpson> passwords, history, form content etc
[18:14] <alex_mayorga> tsimpson: I don't do anything private in a computer anymore
[18:14] <alex_mayorga> believing things you do on computers is private is foolish IMHO
[18:17] <alex_mayorga> yofel: anything interesting?
[18:17] <alex_mayorga> the bugger also crashes firefox-4.0 but chromium seems to be more resilient
[18:22] <yofel> alex_mayorga: only did a quick check, didn't see anything there
[18:23] <alex_mayorga> I'd say is not the browsers fault, icedtea must be doing something fishy
[18:29] <alex_mayorga> it does take down both firefox-4 and chromium 10 :(
[18:29] <alex_mayorga> and annoys the heck out of me :)
[18:33] <alex_mayorga> yofel: do you know how to upstream chromium buggers?
[18:33] <yofel> nope
[18:34] <yofel> ask in #ubuntu-bugs, maybe the others know
[18:38] <Guest24843> Has X or something like it broken after latest updates?
[18:38] <Guest24843> Has X or something like it broken after latest updates?
[18:39] <Guest24843> I can only access to tty (?) with recovery mode.
[18:41] <yofel> well, nvidia was broken for a few hours, X itself was also updated so updates might have broken your system, yes
[18:43] <Guest24843> I have nvidia
[18:44] <Guest24843> So it's fixed now and I can upgrade with recovery mode?
[18:47] <alex_mayorga> yofel: do you know if removing noaccel=1 is now an option?
[18:48] <yofel> I'm using nvidia since it works again, but since the upstream bug is still not fixed I doubt it
[18:55] <alex_mayorga> yofel: how do I go from nouveau to nvidia?
[18:55] <bullgard4> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 > Using CLI to Boot > I entered: 'set root=(hd0,7); linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sd07 ro; initrd /initrd.img; boot' and obtained: "ALERT! /dev/sd07 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! BusyBox (initramfs) _". GParted showed me that /dev/sda7 exists though. How to proceed?
[18:56] <yofel> alex_mayorga: install nvidia-current from jockey (if your card is supported by -current)
[18:56] <trism> bullgard4: it would be /dev/sda7 not /dev/sd07
[18:57] <bullgard4> trism: What do you mean by "it would be"? Grub 2 shell accepted my syntax.
[18:58] <alex_mayorga> yofel: I'd look into it, is it worth it now?
[18:58] <trism> bullgard4: unless that was a typo, it says alert /dev/sd07 not found, but as you typed later, it is /dev/sda7
[19:00] <bullgard4> trism: I do not understand your English. Can you say it in other words, please?
[19:01] <bjsnider> bullgard4, /dev/sd07 should be /dev/sda7
[19:02] <trism> bullgard4: on the: linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sd07 ro; line, it should be root=/dev/sda7 unless that was just a typing mistake in your message
[19:04] <coz_> hey guys
[19:05] <genii-around> Hm. They should really update ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/latest.txt to be something later than 260.19
[19:05] <alex_mayorga> coz_: hi!
[19:06] <coz_> alex_mayorga,  hey guy
[19:07] <bjsnider> genii-around, you shouldn't use nvidia as a source for the driver anyway. it will damage your system if you use the nvidia-installer
[19:12] <genii-around> bjsnider: I just noticed it wanted to go grab a retro version if you use the --update switch
[19:15] <bullgard4> trism: bjsnider: Hurrah! I have now Ubuntu 11.04! --  I believe my commands  'set root=(hd0,7); linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda7 ro; initrd /initrd.img; boot' did not fix my GRUB 2 permanantly. --  How should I fix my GRUB2 now permanently?
[19:18] <trism> bullgard4: sudo update-grub; should find any kernels in /boot and properly update grub.cfg, if not might need to pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg (unless you have another grub you're using from another ubuntu partition, then I would run update-grub there and it will add natty dev kernels to the end of grub)
[19:24] <bullgard4> trism: '~$ sudo update.grub' found 3 linux images and 3 initrd images and 1 memtest86+ image and Windows XP Professional and ended with "done". The newest kernel found is 2.6.38-6-generic. Is this Natty? Am I done?
[19:25] <trism> bullgard4: yes that should do it
[19:37] <yofel> alex_mayorga: I'm happy with it
[20:25] <bullgard4> bjsnider: I believe my commands 'set root=(hd0,7); linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda7 ro; initrd /initrd.img; boot' did not fix my GRUB 2 permanantly. I did '~$ sudo update-grub' and apt-get install and apt-get upgrade. I rebooted. The computer still preents me with the GRUB 2 shell. -- How should I fix my GRUB2 now permanently?
[20:26] <bullgard4> s/preents/presents/
[20:36] <trism> bullgard4: might try to reinstall grub: sudo grub-install /dev/sda; sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda; (from the grub2 wiki reinstall via-chroot section, except you are already logged in so you don't need the chroot)
[20:44] <bullgard4> '~$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda; Installation finished. No error reported.
[20:45] <trism> bullgard4: sounds promising
[20:47] <bullgard4> '~$ sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda; Installation finished. No error reported.'
[20:48] <bullgard4> I will reboot now.
[20:48] <trism> bullgard4: good luck
[20:49] <bullgard4> Ah! A grub menu appeared.
[20:52] <bullgard4> I have now a graphical desktop but no panels. I obtain an error message: "Pardon, Compiz has been unexpectedly terminated. Report an error. First I will report this error.
[21:01] <bullgard4> After another '~$ sudo apt-get update' and '~$ sudo apt-get upgrade' this error disappeared.
[21:02] <bullgard4> On my Ubuntu 11.04 desktop I do not see any panels. How should I start application programs?
[21:04] <alex_mayorga> bullgard4: try Alt+F2
[21:04] <alex_mayorga> terminal <run>
[21:04] <alex_mayorga> then on the terminal: gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
[21:05] <alex_mayorga> that usually give me my panels back
[21:05] <bullgard4> alex_mayorga: Alt+F2 does not show any response.
[21:05] <alex_mayorga> bullgard4: too bad
[21:06] <bullgard4> alex_mayorga: What do you mean by 'terminal <run>'?
[21:06] <alex_mayorga> bullgard4: sorry I don't know better
[21:09] <bullgard4> Auf meinem Ubuntu 11.04-Desktop sehe ich keine Panels. Wie soll ich von der GUI aus Programme starten? Alt+F2 zeigt keine Reaktion.
[21:09] <bazhang> bullgard4, english please
[21:10] <bullgard4> bazhang: I wrote English, but you did not answer.
[21:24] <trism> bullgard4: you might try to log out and select the ubuntu classic desktop (no effects) from the session menu, you seem to be having compiz problems, which is probably why you don't get any panels
[21:25] <charlie-tca> try Ctrl+Alt+t to get a terminal
[21:25] <guntbert> charlie-tca: hey, thats a nice one :-)
[21:26] <bullgard4> charlie-tca: Ctrl+Alt+T works successfully for me here. --  Thank you.
[21:26] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:34] <bullgard4> trism: This worked wonderfully. I have back my panels now.
[21:35] <bullgard4> I have got now Firefox 4.0. But this Firefox forgot all my bookmarks. Is this normal?
[21:43] <charlie-tca> bullgard4: firefox to firefox 4.0 should not erase bookmarks. Was this an upgrade or a fresh installation?
[21:44] <bullgard4> charlie-tca: I obtained Firefox by upgrading Ubuntu 10.10.1 to 11.04.
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Then it is a bug if your bookmarks did go away
[21:44] <bullgard4> charlie-tca: I obtained Firefox by upgrading Ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04.
[21:45] <charlie-tca> file a bug using
[21:45] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-bug firefox
[21:45] <charlie-tca> in a terminal
[21:45] <bullgard4> charlie-tca: I will report.
[22:03] <MaximLevitsky> I installed alpha2 and didn't yet modify it in any way from install cd
[22:03] <MaximLevitsky> I am getting broken gtk themes
[22:03] <MaximLevitsky> http://img718.imageshack.us/i/screenshotubuntu114afte.png/
[22:03] <MaximLevitsky> is that known?
[22:04] <MaximLevitsky> I ask, because yestarday I did similiar install, but then I first install xubuntu, then installed ubuntu-desktop, 3D drivers and got unity
[22:04] <guntbert> MaximLevitsky: report a bug /check if one is reported already
[22:04] <MaximLevitsky> and yet same problem
[22:05] <MaximLevitsky> Yea, but that looks like a packaging provlem
[22:05] <MaximLevitsky> And since I use VirtualBox that should be same for everyone
[22:06] <guntbert> MaximLevitsky: still, here is a place to ask questions and get support, bugs "reported" here don't get fixed
[22:09] <Volkodav> what's up with big X server upgrade again? Any issues with it ?
[22:14] <yofel> Volkodav: there were, should be worked out mostly by now (at least nvidia works fine here)
[22:14] <Volkodav> nvidia works fine here is a part i need
[22:14] <Volkodav> =-O
[22:16] <MaximLevitsky> global menu is mandatory?
[22:17] <MaximLevitsky> in unity that is?
[22:17] <Daekdroom> I haven't read about a way of disabling it.
[22:19] <zacwhite15> hey guys got a question
[22:20] <zacwhite15> im running alpha 3, is there a fix for the ubuntu software center yet?
[22:20] <zacwhite15> that fixes the error recieved when trying to install .deb;s
[22:21] <Daekdroom> zacwhite15, it was fixed sometime before.
[22:21] <Daekdroom> !info aptdaemon
[22:21] <zacwhite15> hmm.... i still get the error, even though i've grabbed all of the updates
[22:22] <yofel> zacwhite15: you mean the error that the package quality is bad? no, still open I think
[22:22] <zacwhite15> ya thats the one i was referring too...
[22:22] <Daekdroom> Never heard of that specific one.
[22:22] <zacwhite15> well its a good think i am sticking to gdebi for now :P
[22:23] <yofel> use gdebi or install per terminal
[22:23] <yofel> Daekdroom: bug 712377
[22:23] <zacwhite15> any of you guys running the daily builds for the kernel?
[22:24] <zacwhite15> i haven't installed todays release yet, thats why im asking
[22:24] <zacwhite15> whats weird is that the daily is only putting out the main header, no update's for the kernel itself.
[22:58] <penguin42> zacwhite15: I'm running one that's a couple of weeks old; on the drm-next daily build
[22:59] <zacwhite15> k
[23:00] <penguin42> zacwhite15: My guess is that there is something broken in the compile
[23:31] <pwnsauce> Hi all. Coming here as a last resort. Running natty for a while. Had black screen on boot errors for the last day or so. Updated just now which seemed to fix it. It boots further than before but still eventual black screen. On intel 915 chip. Any pointers?
[23:42] <yofel> hm, binutils doesn't like me... bug 737912
[23:44] <penguin42> I thought you teneded to either have binutils or binutils-multiarch installe d- doesn't it have a conflicts in?
[23:45] <Ampelbein> penguin42: no, -multiarch depends on binutils
[23:46] <penguin42> oh yeh
[23:49]  * penguin42 wonders how that works, I'd always assumed it was just a rebuild with multiple targets compiled in
[23:52] <pwnsauce> Can anyone help with my previously posted question?
[23:53] <yofel> pwnsauce: do you get to the login screen?
[23:55]  * yofel goes fixing apports bash completion in the meanwhile
[23:56] <pwnsauce> yofel, almost. Well I actually do, as I hear the login chime, and the graphics show. It's like the backlight is turned off
[23:56] <yofel> oh, no idea how to debug those, except maybe ssh from another machine and check the kernel log
[23:57] <pwnsauce> I've chrooted in from my other partition, so access to the logs is not a prob. :)
[23:58] <suprbly> so how are the bugs in 11.04
[23:58] <pwnsauce> dmesg didn't throw up much and I spotted an error in the X log, but I'm at a loss as to debug it