ashamsHow can I check if a package is installed by default with Ubuntu?00:42
yofelthe easiest way is to check if ubuntu-desktop depends/recommends it (or ubuntu-standard / ubuntu-minimal)00:43
ashamsyofel: how do you do that?00:44
yofelthere are also packages that have a 'Required' Priority like dpkg or coreutils, those are installed always by default00:44
yofelashams: open a terminal and type 'apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop'00:45
yofelthat will tell you what is the default for the release you are running00:45
ashamsyofel: i'm trying to ask the reporter to give me the output of "synclient", would synclient be a ubuntu-desktop dependecy, or it can be for another package?00:47
yofelthat will be installed by default since it's part of the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package00:48
yofel'dpkg -S /usr/bin/synclient' tells you that00:49
ashamsyofel: can I use this command 'dpkg -S /usr/bin/synclient' for all otherpackages?00:50
yofelyes, (from dpkg-query manpage):00:51
yofel              -S, --search filename-search-pattern...00:51
yofel                  Search for a filename from installed packages.00:51
yofelif you need to find something in packages that aren't installed apt-file is your friedn00:52
ashamsyofel: thank you, you are very helpful :)00:53
yofelyou're welcome :)00:54
ashamsyofel: sorry, I had another question :), are all packages in the *main* archive is default with ubuntu?00:59
yofelno, all packages in 'main' have open source licenses (I think), and are officially supported by Ubuntu. Officially supported proprietary software (like nvidia and ati graphics drivers) are in 'restricted'. Community supported open source apps are in Universe, proprietary apps in Multiverse01:01
yofelthere was a page explaining that...01:02
yofel!components | ashams, the second link01:03
ubot4`ashams, the second link: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories01:03
ashamsyofel: thank you VERY MUCH again, and really you are helpful :)01:06
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erkan^is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa true ?11:51
erkan^i have seen that thunderbird 3.3 and firefox 4.011:52
erkan^are they good ?11:52
rr0hitCould some one set Bug 737469 to wishlist?13:31
ubot4`Launchpad bug 737469 in unity "Hiding/minimizing windows from the dock (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73746913:31
yofelrr0hit: that is not a bug in ubuntu, you need to ask the unity bug supervisors13:37
rr0hityofel: which channel? #ayatana?13:38
serfusoh dear... i accidentally changed the status13:38
yofelrr0hit: maybe? I'm not involved in unity development13:39
yofelthey should know though13:39
yofelserfus: just change it back13:39
serfusyofel, i did13:39
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ikthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/442932 <- does this look like video card issue to you?14:38
ubot4`Launchpad bug 442932 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Linux Mint 7 Crash? (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]14:38
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nigelbbcurtiswx_: ping?15:03
bcurtiswx_nigelb, hey15:04
nigelbbcurtiswx_: before UGJ, I'm trying to get a few sesions in -classroom baout bug triage, testing, and translating15:04
nigelbbcurtiswx_: would you be interested in the bug triage how-to and introduction?15:05
bcurtiswx_nigelb, i'll be pretty busy with the DC LoCo, thanks for the offer though15:06
nigelbbcurtiswx_: er, I was hopign you'd take a session ;)15:06
nigelbbcurtiswx_: a week before UGJ15:06
bcurtiswx_nigelb, i don't think i can, ping me beginning of next week if you haven't found someone by then.15:07
nigelbbcurtiswx_: will do, thanks :)15:07
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gnomefreakanyone having issues with apport crashing when using to file a bug in /var/crash?16:47
gnomefreakno matter what way i use it crashes 3 ways in CLI and in file manager16:48
gnomefreakthis is what i get in CLI http://paste.ubuntu.com/582157/16:50
hggdhgnomefreak, I will try with any crash I find16:53
gnomefreakhggdh: im going to try ubuntu-bug <package> and see if i can attach the file. this is assuming ubuntu-bug will work16:54
gnomefreakit seems to be working its asking questions and web page opened16:56
hggdhgnomefreak, it is still weird, per the backtrace this is an internal function17:04
ubot4`Launchpad bug 629258 in upower (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 7 other projects) "Battery life estimation never comes around (affects: 277) (dups: 12) (heat: 1140)" [Medium,Confirmed]17:10
gnomefreakhggdh: bug 737667 is the one i filed on it17:11
ubot4`Launchpad bug 737667 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Compiz keeps crashing in Unity (affects: 1) (heat: 106)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73766717:11
gnomefreakwell that is compiz bug the orig bug i was trying to report17:12
gnomefreakim not going to have time to file against apport i dont think17:12
hggdhgnomefreak, I do not relaly think it would be against apport, but against python...17:17
gnomefreakhggdh: im filing bug atm ill give you bug # when im done17:18
hggdhgnomefreak, thank you very much17:18
yofeland I can't reproduce the crash here, apport suggests to file the compiz crash fine17:18
* hggdh will check upstream17:18
gnomefreakhggdh: yofel bug 73767717:19
ubot4`Launchpad bug 737677 in apport (Ubuntu) "Apport keeps crashing when trying to file a bug report using an existing file in /var/crash (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73767717:19
hggdhgnomefreak, IOU17:19
yofelgnomefreak: can you mention that the .crash file mentioned is in the other bug?17:20
gnomefreaki dont know how to reproduce it other than the ways ive been trying and it keeps happening17:20
gnomefreakyofel: what do you mean? the 2 files that were generated are attched17:20
gnomefreakthe other report was compiz crash17:21
yofelgnomefreak: yes, but your trace in the description comes from filing the compiz crash, if filing the apport crashes gives you the same trace then please mention that.17:22
gnomefreakits hard to tell if it is apport or python since apport is written in python but im looking through them quickly17:22
gnomefreakoh you mean try to report apport using the ways that failed17:23
gnomefreaklet me try17:23
yofelwell, it doesn't crash here, maybe it's i386 only17:23
yofelthen it would be a python issue17:23
gnomefreakThe problem cannot be reported:17:23
gnomefreakYou have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs:17:23
gnomefreakapport, python-apport, python-problem-report17:23
gnomefreakthats using file manager17:23
gnomefreaksame when trying file manager to report both apport bugs try CLI now17:24
yofelthen update, pitti uploaded apport 1.20 today17:25
gnomefreakok maybe that is why. ill chck updates. using cli gives me same error/warning17:25
hggdhah, might be http://bugs.python.org/issue794217:25
gnomefreakStatus: closed Resolution: invalid  :(17:26
yofelthat would explain why it's only on i38617:26
hggdhheh. But it point to a possible overflow as being the real cause17:26
gnomefreakwell i didnt want to use 64bit, it always has problems so i went with i386 iso17:27
gnomefreakah yes i see 1.20 is ready17:29
gnomefreakit seems empathy and X have been released from hold17:29
gnomefreakok i need to get ready while its updating17:30
hggdhbut why would self.report[k] be considered big? looking at the compiz bug, there is really nothing *that* big17:31
yofelapport just gave me a "Send complete report (recommended; 2.6 GB)" file, 2.6 millon doesn't fit into 32bit signed integer if that's what the size value is supposed to return17:33
hggdhyofel, 2.6 *G*?17:34
hggdhor M?17:34
yofel2.6 *G*, it shows the unpacked filezise, not what's actually being uploaded17:35
yofelthere's a bug about that17:35
hggdhwell, this would certainly not fit an int on i386...17:35
hggdhso it is, indeed, an apport bug17:35
hggdhyofel, could you add this bit of info to the bug?17:38
gnomefreakthanks guys, i have to go17:39
hggdhlet me rephrase: so it is indeed, *at least*, an apport bug17:44
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gtriderxccould any1 please tell me what a fallback massage is?18:26
gtriderxc"If enabled, the fallback message of the session (if present), will be displayed each time the session fallbacks."18:26
gtriderxci wanna 2 translate the string on Launchpad18:26
gtriderxcbut have no idea what the fallback massage is18:27
charlie-tcaIs that in Ubuntu?18:29
charlie-tcaI think it means when the desktop starts, it normally starts in 3d with Unity, but if can not for any reason, it will automatically fallback to 2d.18:30
charlie-tcaAs in, it will use a session that fits your hardware18:31
charlie-tcaIt then shows the fallback message, which is a message saying it can not use 3d, so it will use 2d18:31
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gtriderxcyes it is in Ubuntu18:38
gtriderxcOK, thanks18:38
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alex_mayorgaHi! Can someone help me review and upsteram bug 727190 please?18:41
ubot4`Launchpad bug 727190 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72719018:41
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xteejxEvening all21:59
yofelhey xteejx22:00
xteejxBeen away for a while, are there any major changes to the triage procedure I've missed since umm about 4 months ago?22:00
xteejxHey yofel :)22:00
micahgxteejx: we have a magic button now :)22:00
xteejxmicahg: Lmao, if only :P22:00
xteejxOr were you being serious?22:01
micahgxteejx: :D22:01
micahgxteejx: just kidding22:01
xteejxmicahg: Micah, you bugger!22:01
micahgxteejx: the greasemonkey scripts are cool and LP has gotten faster in the last 4 months :)22:02
* xteejx slaps micahg with a wet fish22:02
yofeloh yeah, I now don't need to wait 15s for a timeout message but 1022:02
xteejxYeah, I've noticed! I was using the LPGM scripts before, just re-set them up22:02
xteejxyofel: Not that much change then22:02
xteejxIt looks like you've all been working on what I was, the expired bugs, or someone's went in and mass sorted them22:03
yofelthen again, I think LP got worse since a while ago and they fixed some of that recently, so if you were away 4 months you probably won't notice much22:03
xteejxyofel: Heh, it doesn't seem any different top me...yet, we'll see when I load a big bug report lol22:04
yofelah, auto-expiry was turned on again (was that really less than 4 months ago?)22:04
xteejxAhhh thank god for that22:04
xteejxMust be22:04
xteejxRight time to crunch thru a few before settling down for the night :)22:05
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