[00:42] <ashams> How can I check if a package is installed by default with Ubuntu?
[00:43] <yofel> the easiest way is to check if ubuntu-desktop depends/recommends it (or ubuntu-standard / ubuntu-minimal)
[00:44] <ashams> yofel: how do you do that?
[00:44] <yofel> there are also packages that have a 'Required' Priority like dpkg or coreutils, those are installed always by default
[00:45] <yofel> ashams: open a terminal and type 'apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop'
[00:45] <yofel> that will tell you what is the default for the release you are running
[00:47] <ashams> yofel: i'm trying to ask the reporter to give me the output of "synclient", would synclient be a ubuntu-desktop dependecy, or it can be for another package?
[00:48] <yofel> that will be installed by default since it's part of the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package
[00:49] <yofel> 'dpkg -S /usr/bin/synclient' tells you that
[00:50] <ashams> yofel: can I use this command 'dpkg -S /usr/bin/synclient' for all otherpackages?
[00:51] <yofel> yes, (from dpkg-query manpage):
[00:51] <yofel>               -S, --search filename-search-pattern...
[00:51] <yofel>                   Search for a filename from installed packages.
[00:52] <yofel> if you need to find something in packages that aren't installed apt-file is your friedn
[00:52] <yofel> *friend
[00:53] <ashams> yofel: thank you, you are very helpful :)
[00:54] <yofel> you're welcome :)
[00:59] <ashams> yofel: sorry, I had another question :), are all packages in the *main* archive is default with ubuntu?
[01:01] <yofel> no, all packages in 'main' have open source licenses (I think), and are officially supported by Ubuntu. Officially supported proprietary software (like nvidia and ati graphics drivers) are in 'restricted'. Community supported open source apps are in Universe, proprietary apps in Multiverse
[01:02] <yofel> there was a page explaining that...
[01:03] <yofel> !components | ashams, the second link
[01:03] <ubot4`> ashams, the second link: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[01:06] <ashams> yofel: thank you VERY MUCH again, and really you are helpful :)
[11:51] <erkan^> hello
[11:51] <erkan^> is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa true ?
[11:52] <erkan^> i have seen that thunderbird 3.3 and firefox 4.0
[11:52] <erkan^> are they good ?
[13:31] <rr0hit> Could some one set Bug 737469 to wishlist?
[13:31] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 737469 in unity "Hiding/minimizing windows from the dock (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737469
[13:37] <yofel> rr0hit: that is not a bug in ubuntu, you need to ask the unity bug supervisors
[13:38] <rr0hit> yofel: which channel? #ayatana?
[13:38] <serfus> oh dear... i accidentally changed the status
[13:39] <yofel> rr0hit: maybe? I'm not involved in unity development
[13:39] <yofel> they should know though
[13:39] <yofel> serfus: just change it back
[13:39] <rr0hit> alright
[13:39] <serfus> yofel, i did
[14:38] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/442932 <- does this look like video card issue to you?
[14:38] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 442932 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Linux Mint 7 Crash? (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[15:03] <nigelb> bcurtiswx_: ping?
[15:04] <bcurtiswx_> nigelb, hey
[15:04] <nigelb> bcurtiswx_: before UGJ, I'm trying to get a few sesions in -classroom baout bug triage, testing, and translating
[15:05] <nigelb> bcurtiswx_: would you be interested in the bug triage how-to and introduction?
[15:06] <bcurtiswx_> nigelb, i'll be pretty busy with the DC LoCo, thanks for the offer though
[15:06] <nigelb> bcurtiswx_: er, I was hopign you'd take a session ;)
[15:06] <nigelb> bcurtiswx_: a week before UGJ
[15:07] <bcurtiswx_> nigelb, i don't think i can, ping me beginning of next week if you haven't found someone by then.
[15:07] <nigelb> bcurtiswx_: will do, thanks :)
[16:47] <gnomefreak> anyone having issues with apport crashing when using to file a bug in /var/crash?
[16:48] <gnomefreak> no matter what way i use it crashes 3 ways in CLI and in file manager
[16:50] <gnomefreak> this is what i get in CLI http://paste.ubuntu.com/582157/
[16:53] <hggdh> gnomefreak, I will try with any crash I find
[16:54] <gnomefreak> hggdh: im going to try ubuntu-bug <package> and see if i can attach the file. this is assuming ubuntu-bug will work
[16:55] <hggdh> heh
[16:56] <gnomefreak> it seems to be working its asking questions and web page opened
[17:04] <hggdh> gnomefreak, it is still weird, per the backtrace this is an internal function
[17:10] <komputes> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/629258
[17:10] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 629258 in upower (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 7 other projects) "Battery life estimation never comes around (affects: 277) (dups: 12) (heat: 1140)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[17:11] <gnomefreak> hggdh: bug 737667 is the one i filed on it
[17:11] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 737667 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Compiz keeps crashing in Unity (affects: 1) (heat: 106)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737667
[17:12] <gnomefreak> well that is compiz bug the orig bug i was trying to report
[17:12] <gnomefreak> im not going to have time to file against apport i dont think
[17:17] <hggdh> gnomefreak, I do not relaly think it would be against apport, but against python...
[17:18] <gnomefreak> hggdh: im filing bug atm ill give you bug # when im done
[17:18] <hggdh> gnomefreak, thank you very much
[17:18] <yofel> and I can't reproduce the crash here, apport suggests to file the compiz crash fine
[17:18]  * hggdh will check upstream
[17:19] <gnomefreak> hggdh: yofel bug 737677
[17:19] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 737677 in apport (Ubuntu) "Apport keeps crashing when trying to file a bug report using an existing file in /var/crash (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737677
[17:19] <hggdh> gnomefreak, IOU
[17:20] <yofel> gnomefreak: can you mention that the .crash file mentioned is in the other bug?
[17:20] <gnomefreak> i dont know how to reproduce it other than the ways ive been trying and it keeps happening
[17:20] <gnomefreak> yofel: what do you mean? the 2 files that were generated are attched
[17:21] <gnomefreak> the other report was compiz crash
[17:22] <yofel> gnomefreak: yes, but your trace in the description comes from filing the compiz crash, if filing the apport crashes gives you the same trace then please mention that.
[17:22] <gnomefreak> its hard to tell if it is apport or python since apport is written in python but im looking through them quickly
[17:23] <gnomefreak> oh you mean try to report apport using the ways that failed
[17:23] <gnomefreak> let me try
[17:23] <yofel> well, it doesn't crash here, maybe it's i386 only
[17:23] <yofel> then it would be a python issue
[17:23] <gnomefreak> The problem cannot be reported:
[17:23] <gnomefreak> You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs:
[17:23] <gnomefreak> apport, python-apport, python-problem-report
[17:23] <gnomefreak> thats using file manager
[17:24] <gnomefreak> same when trying file manager to report both apport bugs try CLI now
[17:25] <yofel> then update, pitti uploaded apport 1.20 today
[17:25] <gnomefreak> ok maybe that is why. ill chck updates. using cli gives me same error/warning
[17:25] <hggdh> ah, might be http://bugs.python.org/issue7942
[17:26] <gnomefreak> Status: closed Resolution: invalid  :(
[17:26] <yofel> that would explain why it's only on i386
[17:26] <hggdh> heh. But it point to a possible overflow as being the real cause
[17:27] <gnomefreak> well i didnt want to use 64bit, it always has problems so i went with i386 iso
[17:29] <gnomefreak> ah yes i see 1.20 is ready
[17:29] <gnomefreak> it seems empathy and X have been released from hold
[17:30] <gnomefreak> ok i need to get ready while its updating
[17:31] <hggdh> but why would self.report[k] be considered big? looking at the compiz bug, there is really nothing *that* big
[17:33] <yofel> apport just gave me a "Send complete report (recommended; 2.6 GB)" file, 2.6 millon doesn't fit into 32bit signed integer if that's what the size value is supposed to return
[17:34] <hggdh> yofel, 2.6 *G*?
[17:34] <hggdh> or M?
[17:35] <yofel> 2.6 *G*, it shows the unpacked filezise, not what's actually being uploaded
[17:35] <yofel> there's a bug about that
[17:35] <hggdh> well, this would certainly not fit an int on i386...
[17:35] <hggdh> so it is, indeed, an apport bug
[17:38] <hggdh> yofel, could you add this bit of info to the bug?
[17:39] <gnomefreak> thanks guys, i have to go
[17:39] <yofel> sure
[17:44] <hggdh> let me rephrase: so it is indeed, *at least*, an apport bug
[18:26] <gtriderxc> hey
[18:26] <gtriderxc> could any1 please tell me what a fallback massage is?
[18:26] <gtriderxc> "If enabled, the fallback message of the session (if present), will be displayed each time the session fallbacks."
[18:26] <gtriderxc> i wanna 2 translate the string on Launchpad
[18:27] <gtriderxc> but have no idea what the fallback massage is
[18:29] <charlie-tca> Is that in Ubuntu?
[18:30] <charlie-tca> I think it means when the desktop starts, it normally starts in 3d with Unity, but if can not for any reason, it will automatically fallback to 2d.
[18:31] <charlie-tca> As in, it will use a session that fits your hardware
[18:31] <charlie-tca> It then shows the fallback message, which is a message saying it can not use 3d, so it will use 2d
[18:38] <gtriderxc> yes it is in Ubuntu
[18:38] <gtriderxc> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-session/+pots/gnome-session-2.0/pl/+translate?show=untranslated
[18:38] <gtriderxc> OK, thanks
[18:41] <alex_mayorga> Hi! Can someone help me review and upsteram bug 727190 please?
[18:41] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 727190 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727190
[21:59] <xteejx> Evening all
[22:00] <yofel> hey xteejx
[22:00] <xteejx> Been away for a while, are there any major changes to the triage procedure I've missed since umm about 4 months ago?
[22:00] <xteejx> Hey yofel :)
[22:00] <micahg> xteejx: we have a magic button now :)
[22:00] <xteejx> micahg: Lmao, if only :P
[22:01] <xteejx> Or were you being serious?
[22:01] <micahg> xteejx: :D
[22:01] <micahg> xteejx: just kidding
[22:01] <xteejx> micahg: Micah, you bugger!
[22:01] <xteejx> lol
[22:02] <micahg> xteejx: the greasemonkey scripts are cool and LP has gotten faster in the last 4 months :)
[22:02]  * xteejx slaps micahg with a wet fish
[22:02] <yofel> oh yeah, I now don't need to wait 15s for a timeout message but 10
[22:02] <xteejx> Yeah, I've noticed! I was using the LPGM scripts before, just re-set them up
[22:02] <xteejx> yofel: Not that much change then
[22:03] <xteejx> It looks like you've all been working on what I was, the expired bugs, or someone's went in and mass sorted them
[22:03] <yofel> then again, I think LP got worse since a while ago and they fixed some of that recently, so if you were away 4 months you probably won't notice much
[22:04] <xteejx> yofel: Heh, it doesn't seem any different top me...yet, we'll see when I load a big bug report lol
[22:04] <yofel> ah, auto-expiry was turned on again (was that really less than 4 months ago?)
[22:04] <xteejx> Ahhh thank god for that
[22:04] <xteejx> Must be
[22:05] <xteejx> Right time to crunch thru a few before settling down for the night :)