[10:04] <cjwatson> _robbat2|irssi: I can probably help with your GRUB 2 failure, but only if I see the error messages
[11:28] <CIA-7> console-setup: cjwatson * r395 ubuntu/debian/ (console-setup.setvtrgb.upstart vtrgb changelog rules): merge Dustin's 1.57ubuntu11 release
[11:31] <CIA-7> console-setup: cjwatson * r396 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.57ubuntu12
[11:39] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1428 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu23
[12:02] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1429 ubuntu/ (build/util/gen-sources.list.udeb debian/changelog): Skip the option field in sources.list lines, if present.
[14:59] <CIA-7> rootskel: cjwatson * r629 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog src/lib/debian-installer.d/S30term):
[14:59] <CIA-7> rootskel: src/lib/debian-installer.d/S30term: apply the configurable console
[14:59] <CIA-7> rootskel: colors in the d-i virtual terminals, LP: #730672
[14:59] <cjwatson> oops, forgot --fixes
[15:00] <CIA-7> rootskel: cjwatson * r629 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog src/lib/debian-installer.d/S30term):
[15:00] <CIA-7> rootskel: src/lib/debian-installer.d/S30term: apply the configurable console
[15:00] <CIA-7> rootskel: colors in the d-i virtual terminals, LP: #730672
[18:43] <winsen1> hello every body i've probleme, with grub
[18:44] <winsen1>  msg error = grub loading stage1.5.  grub loading, please wait... error 17
[18:44] <winsen1> can you help me? i had reintalled winxp  cause i had 2 os ubuntu+winxp, and 'd like to reinstall ubuntu also, but unfortunely i have had this problem
[21:35] <_robbat2|irssi> cjwatson: ping
[21:36] <_robbat2|irssi> "Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed."
[21:36] <_robbat2|irssi> "This is a fatal error"
[21:37] <_robbat2|irssi> I do not know where it's actually logging to
[21:37] <_robbat2|irssi> ah, mucking around I get an idea
[21:37] <_robbat2|irssi> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible!.
[21:37] <_robbat2|irssi> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required when the root device is on a RAID array or LVM volume.
[22:10] <cjwatson> _robbat2|irssi: http://grub.enbug.org/BIOS_Boot_Partition may help.  you should be able to create one in the partitioner
[22:10] <cjwatson> _robbat2|irssi: (it logs to /var/log/syslog, also on alt-f4)
[22:29] <_robbat2|irssi> yeah I did that already and solved it
[22:29] <_robbat2|irssi> i'd previously used mbr-gpt and Grub1
[22:30] <_robbat2|irssi> saving the need for a dedicated EFI BIOS boot partition
[22:30] <_robbat2|irssi> basically it just chainloads to the first linux partition instead
[22:43] <cjwatson> sure, partitions are cheaper on GPT than on MBR though; fewer annoying limits
[22:43] <cjwatson> so we can avoid having to store the boot loader in unsafe places
[22:59] <_robbat2|irssi> w/ gpt-mbr grub still ends up in / or a dedicated /boot if you have one
[23:00] <_robbat2|irssi> just that the MBR sector, in addition to the EE GPT protective layout, has a little piece of code to chainload to the first linux partition
[23:00] <_robbat2|irssi> no need for a partition at all
[23:02] <_robbat2|irssi> http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sys-boot/mbr-gpt
[23:02] <_robbat2|irssi> it's also useful in that you can use it to get good GPT support on classic BIOS easily
[23:02] <_robbat2|irssi> unfortunetly teh upstream site is dead
[23:05] <cjwatson> the problem with putting GRUB in a filesystem is that it is vulnerable to being broken if the filesystem does otherwise legitimate maintenance operations
[23:05] <cjwatson> that's why we (GRUB upstream) don't recommend it
[23:06] <cjwatson> loading the modules from a filesystem is fine, but it's better for the core image to be in a fixed location
[23:07] <_robbat2|irssi> <--- Gentoo's grub1 maintainer, but not our grub2 maintainer
[23:07]  * cjwatson nods
[23:07]  * cjwatson <- grub2 developer, Debian/Ubuntu grub1 (when I have to) and grub2 maintainer
[23:08] <cjwatson> though more immediately, father who should be going to see what his daughter wants ;-)
[23:08] <_robbat2|irssi> noted, keeping the fixed location for the stage1.5 is strongly preferred
[23:15] <_robbat2|irssi> l8r, thx for being around to chat