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[00:56] adorilson: it watches for changes and syncs as soon as something new happens [00:56] like a file changed or added [00:57] sorry for taking so long its not a peek hour [00:59] fagan: *when* a file is changed ? [01:00] see my case [01:00] I copied a synced folder to a pendrive. change just one file [01:01] if you copy it, it doesnt sync the copy [01:01] and copied this folder to back the desktop [01:01] then it should be file [01:01] fine [01:01] I mean [01:02] in this, its must update all files or just the really changed ? [01:02] yeah [01:03] was the file always on u1? [01:04] I mean folder [01:05] fagan: if I understood you question, the answer is yes [01:05] s/you/your [01:07] then what ever is changed unless you replaced the unchanged files [01:08] so if you merged the folder you are good [01:20] fagan: I'm sorry. [01:22] you means the unchanged file dont be update? is it? [02:06] if its unchanged and not overwritten its not updated [02:07] not. in this case its was overwritten :-/ === statik_ is now known as statik [02:13] well if it was overwritten it would be synced [09:45] Happy Red Nose Day! *8OD [10:30] morning all [10:40] morning duanedesign! [11:01] morning [11:19] hello ralsina, been well? [11:55] my ubuntuone is not syncing since a while ago, It tries to connect and it says it is syncing some times, but it is not. with u1sdtool -s I get an error: Failure: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon exited with status 1 [11:55] help! [11:58] good morning, fagan [12:01] ezra-s: what's a "while"? [12:01] ezra-s: and, what ubuntu version are you on? [12:03] Chipaca, Im in ubuntu 10.10 and for a while, I'd say... since the first whole sync (which was bringing all stuff from the ubuntu one server) it hasn't synced back again, considering I installing this box two months ago [12:04] hi all, ubuntu one seems to be trying to make me go insane with its "lost connection / connection restored" messages after updating on natty today - server issue or local? - i get a lot of this in my syncdaemon-debug.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/582055/ [12:04] gord: server issue in that we were having haproxy go nuts, but local issue in that the connection status notifications are too spammy [12:04] gord: known issues both, the former is now fixed (yay), the latter will be fixed soonish [12:05] Chipaca, cool, but this is happening right now, how can the former be fixed? [12:05] gord: you should no longer be seeing the disconnect/reconnect cycles... hm [12:06] gord: u1sdtool -q; u1sdtool -c (just in case the notifications are backed up) [12:07] Chipaca, restarted my machine just a few minutes ago (11:57 uk time) and the notifications aren't coming in at a rate that would mean they are backed up in notify-osd [12:07] ezra-s: not sure what issue you're seeing; I'd recommend waiting an hour or so and asking again (most of the people who know the issues forwards and backwards will be online then). If you're in a hurry, I can help you dig into the issues, but the other would be more effective [12:07] gord: and you are getting them right now [12:07] gord: i'm asking because we *just* fixed the issue, the second before you asked your question [12:08] Chipaca, ohh okay, let me try that command then [12:08] good morning (again) everyone :-) [12:09] haproxy was all "oh hi nagios, yeah sure, everything is fine!" while also "oh hi file sync client. go away and die i hate you i hate you i hate you" [12:09] eep, still getting them [12:09] hmmm [12:09] Chipaca, thanks, looking thoroughly some files may have been synced, but some folders with files have not for more than a moth and a max of two, since I synced... u1sdtool is a good one but it gives me that error... [12:10] I think I am going to try remove the box and start again [12:10] ezra-s: that error isn't an error per se, it's a timeout, and usually indicative of one of several issues that have been fixed. If you're feeling brave, today is a good day to try the nightly build. [12:10] ezra-s: removing the box won't fix the issue [12:11] (that fixes something else ... not sure if it fixes *anything* in 10.10. Rye?) [12:12] hehehe [12:12] ezra-s: really, unless you're averse to such things, you could move to the nightlies (even if you install them, and then remove the ppa) [12:13] this is a work laptop, I rather not install nightly builds [12:13] ezra-s: the speed improvements alone merit it. But, not sure if your music store would continue to work (haven't tested that) [12:13] ezra-s: fair enough [12:13] I don't use music store yet [12:14] ezra-s: then, as i say, hang around for an hour or so [12:14] thanks for the assistance, will look into it though [12:15] gord: let's see: u1sdtool -s | grep ^S [12:16] Chipaca, connection seems to have stabilised after that last one a few minutes ago :) [12:16] gord: \o/ [12:16] gord: excellent news, then [12:17] gord: things still might be quirky as we iron out other glitches [12:18] ugh, something is still broken [12:18] rye: ping? === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:30] we really need to get rid of the connection notifications [13:31] yes, thisfred started working on it I think [13:31] dobey: beuno: yep, in progress [13:31] yes, those are way too spammy and don't serve a useful purpose [13:32] they might be useful with a lot of work, but they are spammy, and the messages only make sense in one of the many posssible contexts [13:33] the "connection lost" etc. notifications make no sense until we have a real ubuntuone availavility service [13:34] Then we can stop trying to connect when the server is known to be down. [13:34] And we won't spam the user so much. Also, it makes no sense to notify the user the connection was lost when all connectivity was lost. [13:35] So, when is it worth notifying that we lost connection to the server? I have no idea. [13:35] or even connected? [13:35] maybe we just drop connect/disconnect notifications? [13:36] ralsina: what good is an availability service if you can't connect to it? :) [13:36] beuno: dobey, it's a simple service, where we can say "we know it's down, stop trying" [13:36] oops, that was for dobey :-) [13:36] dobey: could be a static web page for all we care [13:37] sd is already supposed to stop trying [13:37] it doesn't seem to stop any more though, so i guess it's probably a bug [13:37] sd: well, it doesn't, or we wouldn't get spammy notifications, would we? ;-) [13:38] well, if it keeps connecting successfully and THEN losing connection, it would be spammy [13:38] dobey: and we could prevent that with the availability service. [13:39] i haven't looked at the logs, but i presume that's what is happening since it's saying "the connection was restored" [13:39] We could even put a warning icon in launcher and then inform the user of scheduled maintenance, etc. [13:39] or heuristics [13:39] dobey: the problem with heuristics is that they work until they don't. I prefer low-tech solutions if they are easy. [13:39] dobey: and not too much work. [13:40] somehow i doubt that my waking up on friday morning to notification spam from u1 is "scheduled downtime" :) [13:41] ralsina, dobey, beuno, alecu so we drop the (dis)connection notifications altogether? [13:41] alecu is out doing paperwork [13:41] thisfred: please! [13:41] I think they are useful in the middle of a transfer [13:41] thisfred: why? What can the user do? [13:41] but I'm happy to take them out [13:42] "the connection dropped". Ok, I will tell it to reconnect (oh, wait it reconnects automatically, and then resumes uploads, so...) [13:42] thisfred: interrupted transfer should say "oops the transfer was interrupted" in that case or something maybe, but the current connection notifications are totally broken [13:42] ralsina: reconnect to the wireless if that's the problem, or at least know that the download/upload is incomplete and will remain so until the connection is made again\ [13:42] thisfred: the user should get a wireless disconnect notification from Network Manager, I assume [13:42] thisfred: if wifi was dropped then network manager notifies [13:43] ok, I'll take them out [13:43] happy happy joy joy [13:43] thisfred: so, if the user is at the keyboard, he will know the network is down and fix it. If he is not, then he won't see our notification either. Comment it out :) [13:43] and the progress bar on the launcher will presumably also not go away if things aren't done [13:43] no commenting out of code, ever [13:43] DELETE! [13:44] dobey: correct [13:44] dobey: the progress bar is small enough that for large files progress is not really visible. [13:44] thisfred: ok ok nuke it [13:44] ralsina: i think "has not changed in 6 hours" is pretty visible [13:44] ralsina: well, it *will* show a disconnected emblem when disconnected [13:44] there I go [13:44] dobey: that assumes so many things the user would have to know it's not even funny :-) [13:45] thisfred: cool, then the notif. is doublpy useless :-) [13:45] well they would have to know they are using u1 and that the progress bar is there [13:45] but whatever [13:45] dobey: for example, is that bar showing the same upload as 6 hours ago? [13:45] well if you've been staring at it for 6 hours, probably [13:45] dobey: also, since the launcher is hidden when you have maximized windows, it assumes you actually *see* the progress bar [13:46] * ralsina has not seen the launcher this morning yet [13:48] then how do you see the disconnected emblem? :) [13:50] dobey: I don't think the user should care about it [13:51] dobey: unless he's trying to diagnose what's not working [13:51] ralsina: dobey https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/lp-737150/+merge/53989 [13:51] that removes the notifications [13:51] thisfred: ok, will check it as soon as there's a diff [13:52] dobey: u1 should just work, right? That's our goal. The user should operate under the assumption that as long as he has network he has u1 connected. [13:56] there are two things to that. working and verifibility. the latter is what makes doing good UI that suits everyone's needs hard to do [13:57] well the user has a place to check, if they bring up the unity menu. An indicator would be better, but that ship has sailed and was burned. [14:02] me [14:02] me [14:03] me [14:03] me [14:03] alecu is not here for the standup today, so mandel, go ahead [14:03] DONE: Bug triagging. More SSO UI. Added Logic for UI validation, but I need to add a branch that shares de logic between gtk and qt. [14:03] TODO: Fix some UI things like look horrible. The above mentioned branch. [14:03] BLOCKED: No [14:03] thisfred, please [14:03] * INPROGRESS get ubuntuone-couch into natty [1/2] [14:03] - [X] 0.2.0 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-couch/release-0.2.0/+merge/53317 [14:03] - [ ] ubuntuone-couch FFE http://pad.lv/729117 [14:03] * NEEDSREVIEW dbus activation of control panel http://pad.lv/728722 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-control-panel/dbusify/+merge/53854 [14:03] * NEEDSREVIEW remove (dis)connection notifications http://pad.lv/734895 http://pad.lv/737150 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/lp-737150/+merge/53989 [14:03] * INPROGRESS notifications/alerts of quota events http://pad.lv/702172 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/quota-notifications [14:04] * TODO assist in couchdb migration [14:04] NEXT: ralsina [14:04] DONE: 3 hours of phone calls, reviews, admin work [14:04] TODO: prepare for a release, ask for testers, start evaluations [14:04] BLOCKED: only in my mind [14:04] dobey? [14:06] λ DONE: bug #596394, bug #727558 [14:06] λ TODO: bug #733327 [14:06] λ BLCK: My brain hurts. [14:06] Launchpad bug 596394 in libubuntuone (Ubuntu) (and 4 other projects) "False "Internet connection is required to access the music store" message (affects: 12) (dups: 1) (heat: 58)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/596394 [14:06] Launchpad bug 727558 in libubuntuone (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "Need to notify user when Purchased Music folder is not subscribed (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727558 [14:06] Launchpad bug 733327 in libubuntuone (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Notify user of missing MP3 support (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733327 [14:06] ok, comments? [14:08] I'd like reviews on my two proposals :) [14:08] thisfred: me too [14:08] thisfred: I am about to give you one :-) [14:08] hehe [14:08] dobey: I approved one this morning [14:08] dobey: I'll get on them [14:09] ralsina: yeah, now it needs one more review :) [14:10] thisfred: +1 on lp-737150 [14:10] thisfred: you have another one? [14:10] thx [14:10] ralsina: yep: https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-control-panel/dbusify/+merge/53854 [14:11] dobey: warn-unsubscribed or the vapi-build one too? (I'm pretty sure I'll be useless on that one, unless you want a rubberstamp) [14:12] warn-unsubscribed [14:14] thisfred: dbusify is about starting the control panel? [14:14] * ralsina needs context sometimes [14:14] ralsina: yeah, it adds the service.in, but it also makes sure we start the control panel only once [14:14] thisfred: ok [14:40] dobey: I do not see the warning in banshee on natty [14:41] maybe I'm looking in the wrong place though [14:42] where should it be? [14:43] I do see a warning in the terminal: No feature manager for feature of type U1RequestChrome [14:45] libraries page [14:45] "My Downloads" or whatever it is [14:45] I don't think I have that [14:45] so it only shows up there, instead of everywhere [14:46] sure you do, it's in the top nav bar of the music store, toward the right [14:46] oh ok, I thought it was an entry under the Libraries in the banshee tree on the left [14:46] ah no, sorry [14:47] dobey: yep, it shows up! approving [14:47] and it goes away if you subscribe by any means [14:48] dobey: could you please look at my two branches as well? Especially the notifications one would be good to get into nightlies [14:48] well ralsina wanted a release today [14:48] so should go into that :) [14:48] yes, I would love to have one [14:50] thisfred: notifications one is approved [14:50] awesome [15:31] alright, lunch time [17:14] hrmm, which page should i put the mp3 codec install bit on in the music store [17:26] hello #ubuntuone! [17:28] hello alecu! [17:28] how did the trámites go? [17:35] ralsina, lots of queues, lots of waiting, but now we own a car. [17:35] alecu: congrats. You going by car to pycamp? [17:35] ralsina, don't know how to drive! my wife will be using it. [17:35] hahaha [17:36] ralsina, also: she needs some practice still. [17:36] I am probably buying one in a couple of months, for the same reason, and I also can't drive [17:36] but I have my bus tickets for pycamp ready [17:37] ralsina, we should learn to drive. UDS at the US of A are very boring otherwise :-) [17:37] yep, I will take lessons some day [17:38] Oh, and talking about trips, I need to book *more* tickets to london [17:39] * alecu is trying to make sense of the monospaced block of gibberish that the travel agent sent. [17:39] oh yeah, i should do london tickets too [17:39] What, your teletype broke? :-) [17:39] * alecu wonders if his gnome-terminal looks like that to non-coders [17:39] * ralsina got his travel info by TELEX and it looks as expected [17:41] ralsina, perhaps I can get a review on this trivial branch... [17:41] https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-control-panel/the-outer-limits/+merge/53946 [17:41] whoa, this is just super cool, even if it's a bit overcomplicated for real life: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/18/multi-process-lighthouse/ [17:41] alecu: por supus [17:42] +1 === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch [17:53] huh [18:00] oh, london tickets! [18:06] heh [18:38] alecu: don't know if you caught that, but the (dis)connection notifications are now gone altogether [18:39] thisfred, didn't caught that. [18:40] thisfred, we are ditching them for good? [18:40] thisfred, I read yesterday backlog, and it looked like they irked our space commander. [18:40] alecu: after some quick discussion that's what it looks like: [18:40] alecu: right, and today even more [18:40] as the servers are burning [18:41] alecu: I filed a bug to throttle them, but then ralsina made the point that there is nothing the user can or should do in response [18:41] so the information is not that useful. And the launcher still will show the warning emblem if downloads were in progress [18:42] right [18:42] space commander? [18:42] thisfred, so, is there a bug for this? [18:42] ralsina, yup, the commander of our spaceship. [18:42] alecu yep [18:42] ralsina, the self appointed benevolent dictator for life! [18:42] ralsina http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Zapp_Brannigan [18:43] * thisfred starts looking at job postings ;) [18:43] Zapp branigan works at Canonical? Yeah! :-) === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [18:44] hahaha [18:44] alecu: bug #737150 and bug #734895 [18:44] Launchpad bug 737150 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Connected/disconnected notifications need to be removed. (dup-of: 734895)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737150 [18:44] Launchpad bug 734895 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "connection restored notification is pointless (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/734895 [18:44] great [18:46] thisfred, ralsina: that sounds like a very needed fix for our current issue. [18:46] thisfred, ralsina: will we release a package with this soonish? [18:46] well, it's supposed to be merged already [18:47] alecu: today, if dobey makes it [18:47] it is merged and a release is being cut as we speak [18:47] see alecu, desktop+ rolls on while you are buying cars :-) [18:47] cool! [18:48] with what? [18:48] ah notifications [18:48] is in 1.5.7 yes [19:22] and now, for insurance.... Yet more paperwork! [19:49] ralsina: just uploaded ubuntuone-client 1.5.7 to ubuntu [19:50] dobey: cool, man! [19:54] ralsina: you have a working fix for the rhythmbox extension? [19:54] dobey: it turns out I don't [19:55] dobey: I thought I had it, but I get random segfaults [19:55] weird [19:56] well i'll just do libu1 and control panel then [19:56] ok [19:56] if I can't fix it on the weekend I'll ask you for a hand with it [19:57] i was planning to look at it, as soon as the banshee things are up to par [19:57] which should be soon i hope :) [19:58] yay! [19:58] I ended almost rewriting the plugin because it was very different from the other plugins that came with RB [19:58] different file structure, class naming, etc. [19:58] right [19:58] a lot of the cruft will be removable next week anyway [19:59] ralsina: did you ever actually review thisfred's dbusify branch? [20:00] also a second review of https://code.launchpad.net/~evfool/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix729530/+merge/53329 would be nice [20:00] dobey: I didn't approve it because I didn't want it to merge yet [20:00] I'll approve it now [20:00] why did you not want it to merge? [20:00] dobey: I think alecu should do the second review on that one [20:01] ok, it's silly but I was waiting for the release [20:01] will do. [20:01] it's +1 already but if alecu wants to take a look too it's fine :-) [20:01] ralsina: you're afraid to put it in the release? [20:01] alecu: it's simple enough, but it's a community contribution, and I want to make sure it's in line with what we want [20:01] thisfred, second review of the dbusify branch? [20:01] dobey: I know it wouldn'tgo in before it got marked as Approved, but it's just that I prioritized it for "later" [20:02] alecu: no the evfool one [20:02] ok, will do [20:02] thisfred: oh, evfool I didn'tcheck [20:02] * ralsina has a list, and he checks it twice [20:02] thisfred: all it does is change the default size to be what was specified, instead of requesting -1 as the width (which really doesn't make any sense to me why it did that anywya) [20:03] dobey: I don't know enough about it to even know that it doesn't make sense [20:03] there's a comment on that line, with a different bug # [20:03] bug #683164 [20:03] Launchpad bug 683164 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Maximum sizes for window and banner (affects: 1) (heat: 32)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683164 [20:04] alecu: yes, that was put there previously by nessita [20:04] alecu: i think because that bug is about the window's default size [20:04] alecu: nothing there explains why she set it to -1, 525 though [20:04] i think the -1 might be from when we were arguing about how to make resizing work correctly [20:08] thisfred: is there any good reason to not put your branch in the release? [20:09] dobey: nothing compelling, just that it makes the panel switching not work when the control-panel is already open [20:09] thisfred: will that break the existing unity integration? [20:09] but neither does it add anything super useful, so that's why I wanted to hold off on it [20:10] dobey: when we open the control panel from the msging menu, and it's already open, it won't flip to the shares panel. [20:10] that's not unity, but yes it breaks [20:10] thisfred: or raise it i guess [20:10] well messaging indicator is unity [20:11] so yes :) [20:11] it would rause it I think [20:11] raise [20:11] anyway, let's not and let's make it all work for the next one? [20:11] yes, don't set it to approved yet [20:11] ok [20:12] also no, it won't raise the existing control panel because you didn't actually implement a service which does a window.present() if it's already running [20:12] thisfred, why is there a print "YES" here? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-control-panel/trunk/revision/94 [20:13] someone left a debugging statement in [20:13] that would be me [20:13] argh [20:14] ok, fix branch coming up [20:14] make it snappy [20:17] hmmm.... after reading about set_size_request, I'm uneasy of it ever being in the code. [20:17] let's try testing irl. [20:17] alecu: dobey https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-control-panel/remove-debug-print/+merge/54066 [20:18] how can I upload a song to my ipod? [20:20] kavurt: #ubuntu is the channel for help about ubuntu [20:21] i know dobey. how can i upload a song from ubuntu to ipod? [20:23] approved evfool branch [20:24] kavurt: *this* is not the #ubuntu channel ;) [20:24] kavurt on the other hand, if your song is synced with ubuntu one, you can get our iphone app :-) [20:24] oh sorry [20:25] thisfred, approved print removal branch [20:25] thx set to approved [20:26] I should find debug statements that also make the tests fail [20:33] Is it usual for U1 to take a very long time to download purchased music. Sometimes it is taking several hours per CD to download. Where as with Amazon etc I get the purchase in 30 seconds or less. [20:34] Plecebo, it is not normal, no [20:34] are they available on the u1 web ui? [20:34] yes [20:35] If I log into the u1 website I can see and download them that way, but I have to dl each song individually [20:35] Plecebo, so there's probably something wrong with your desktop client [20:35] is it connected? [20:35] It has downloaded 20 of the 36 tracks on the album, so I'd assume so [20:35] that has taken approx 30 minutes [20:36] and seems stalled now [20:36] Plecebo, can you run this in a terminal: u1sdtools -s [20:36] comand not found [20:37] u1sdtool -s [20:37] State: READY [20:37] connection: Not User With Network [20:37] description: ready to connect [20:37] is_connected: False [20:37] is_error: False [20:37] is_online: False [20:37] queues: WORKING_ON_BOTH [20:38] Plecebo, right, it's not connected [20:38] what Ubuntu version are you running? [20:38] 10.10 [20:38] Plecebo, you should be able to connect just by running: u1sdtool -c [20:38] or opening the u1 app and clicking on connect [20:38] the is_online is what is telling you it is not connected? or the connection part? [20:39] both [20:39] looks to be connected now [20:40] looks to be downloading now as well [20:40] great [20:41] a lot of this is more polished in Natty (dealing with connect/disconnect) [20:41] So i'm making these purchases via the banshee plugin, how can I make sure the connection stays up for next time [20:41] is it? I'm excited to see what improvements have been made :) [20:41] it normally does stay up [20:41] thanks a lot for your help [20:41] this seems to be rather common for me [20:41] if you're an adventurer, you can you our daily builds [20:41] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/nightlies [20:42] when purchasing via u1 [20:42] thisfred, ubuntuone-couch is creating an empty package [20:42] thisfred, W: ubuntuone-couch: empty-binary-package [20:42] thisfred, otherwise it looks great :) [20:42] kenvandine: hehe [20:42] Hmm. How can that be. [20:42] beuno, thanks, I may just look into that [20:43] beuno, thanks again for your help [20:43] beuno, Plecebo: there is an update pending in maverick-proposed as well that might help [20:43] I must have missed one step or something [20:43] Plecebo, no problem [20:43] kenvandine, thisfred is a very minimalistic guy [20:43] hehe [20:43] thisfred, i assume from dropping pysupport [20:43] It's true, I thought this way we'd get the FFE through, and then we can do the malware injection during string freeze [20:44] haha [20:44] kenvandine: Ah yeah, I only tested that it made a package which was installable. Actually checking that the binaries were there would have been good :) [20:46] kenvandine: if you wouldn't mind sponsoring https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/natty/libubuntuone/release-0-9-1/+merge/54070 too that would be nice :) [20:52] kenvandine: pushed a version with python-support reinstated, but I'll test here [20:55] dobey, i'll try to look in a bit... i need to eod soon :) [20:55] thisfred, you need to change it in debian/rules too [20:56] ah [20:59] kenvandine: yeah me too. i will have an ubuntuone-control-panel release proposed soon too. as soon as this one other branch lands so i can do the tarball [20:59] dobey, working on it now [20:59] thanks [21:00] wow it is 81F right now here [21:01] yeah, 83 here [21:01] too damn hot :) [21:05] kenvandine: works now, at least OMM ;) [21:05] :) [21:05] pushed the rules fix [21:05]