[00:56] <fagan> adorilson: it watches for changes and syncs as soon as something new happens
[00:56] <fagan> like a file changed or added
[00:57] <fagan> sorry for taking so long its not a peek hour
[00:59] <adorilson> fagan: *when* a file is changed ?
[01:00] <adorilson> see my case
[01:00] <adorilson> I copied a synced folder to a pendrive. change just one file
[01:01] <fagan> if you copy it, it doesnt sync the copy
[01:01] <adorilson> and copied this folder to back the desktop
[01:01] <fagan> then it should be file
[01:01] <fagan> fine
[01:01] <fagan> I mean
[01:02] <adorilson> in this, its must update all files or just the really changed ?
[01:02] <fagan> yeah
[01:03] <fagan> was the file always on u1?
[01:04] <fagan> I mean folder
[01:05] <adorilson> fagan: if I understood you question, the answer is yes
[01:05] <adorilson> s/you/your
[01:07] <fagan> then what ever is changed unless you replaced the unchanged files
[01:08] <fagan> so if you merged the folder you are good
[01:20] <adorilson> fagan: I'm sorry.
[01:22] <adorilson> you means the unchanged file dont be update? is it?
[02:06] <fagan> if its unchanged and not overwritten its not updated
[02:07] <adorilson> not. in this case its was overwritten :-/
[02:13] <fagan> well if it was overwritten it would be synced
[09:45] <JamesTait> Happy Red Nose Day! *8OD
[10:30] <duanedesign> morning all
[10:40] <ralsina> morning duanedesign!
[11:01] <fagan> morning
[11:19] <duanedesign> hello ralsina, been well?
[11:55] <ezra-s> my ubuntuone is not syncing since a while ago, It tries to connect and it says it is syncing some times, but it is not. with u1sdtool -s I get an error: Failure: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon exited with status 1
[11:55] <ezra-s> help!
[11:58] <adorilson> good morning, fagan
[12:01] <Chipaca> ezra-s: what's a "while"?
[12:01] <Chipaca> ezra-s: and, what ubuntu version are you on?
[12:03] <ezra-s> Chipaca, Im in ubuntu 10.10 and for a while, I'd say... since the first whole sync (which was bringing all stuff from the ubuntu one server) it hasn't synced back again, considering I installing this box two months ago
[12:04] <gord> hi all, ubuntu one seems to be trying to make me go insane with its "lost connection / connection restored" messages after updating on natty today - server issue or local?  - i get a lot of this in my syncdaemon-debug.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/582055/
[12:04] <Chipaca> gord: server issue in that we were having haproxy go nuts, but local issue in that the connection status notifications are too spammy
[12:04] <Chipaca> gord: known issues both, the former is now fixed (yay), the latter will be fixed soonish
[12:05] <gord> Chipaca, cool, but this is happening right now, how can the former be fixed?
[12:05] <Chipaca> gord: you should no longer be seeing the disconnect/reconnect cycles... hm
[12:06] <Chipaca> gord: u1sdtool -q; u1sdtool -c (just in case the notifications are backed up)
[12:07] <gord> Chipaca, restarted my machine just a few minutes ago (11:57 uk time) and the notifications aren't coming in at a rate that would mean they are backed up in notify-osd
[12:07] <Chipaca> ezra-s: not sure what issue you're seeing; I'd recommend waiting an hour or so and asking again (most of the people who know the issues forwards and backwards will be online then). If you're in a hurry, I can help you dig into the issues, but the other would be more effective
[12:07] <Chipaca> gord: and you are getting them right now
[12:07] <Chipaca> gord: i'm asking because we *just* fixed the issue, the second before you asked your question
[12:08] <gord> Chipaca, ohh okay, let me try that command then
[12:08] <ralsina> good morning (again) everyone :-)
[12:09] <Chipaca> haproxy was all "oh hi nagios, yeah sure, everything is fine!" while also "oh hi file sync client. go away and die i hate you i hate you i hate you"
[12:09] <gord> eep, still getting them
[12:09] <Chipaca> hmmm
[12:09] <ezra-s> Chipaca, thanks, looking thoroughly some files may have been synced, but some folders with files have not for more than a moth and a max of two, since I synced... u1sdtool is a good one but it gives me that error...
[12:10] <ezra-s> I think I am going to try remove the box and start again
[12:10] <Chipaca> ezra-s: that error isn't an error per se, it's a timeout, and usually indicative of one of several issues that have been fixed. If you're feeling brave, today is a good day to try the nightly build.
[12:10] <Chipaca> ezra-s: removing the box won't fix the issue
[12:11] <Chipaca> (that fixes something else ... not sure if it fixes *anything* in 10.10. Rye?)
[12:12] <ezra-s> hehehe
[12:12] <Chipaca> ezra-s: really, unless you're averse to such things, you could move to the nightlies (even if you install them, and then remove the ppa)
[12:13] <ezra-s> this is a work laptop, I rather not install nightly builds
[12:13] <Chipaca> ezra-s: the speed improvements alone merit it. But, not sure if your music store would continue to work (haven't tested that)
[12:13] <Chipaca> ezra-s: fair enough
[12:13] <ezra-s> I don't use music store yet
[12:14] <Chipaca> ezra-s: then, as i say, hang around for an hour or so
[12:14] <ezra-s> thanks for the assistance, will look into it though
[12:15] <Chipaca> gord: let's see: u1sdtool -s | grep ^S
[12:16] <gord> Chipaca, connection seems to have stabilised after that last one a few minutes ago :)
[12:16] <Chipaca> gord: \o/
[12:16] <Chipaca> gord: excellent news, then
[12:17] <Chipaca> gord: things still might be quirky as we iron out other glitches
[12:18] <Chipaca> ugh, something is still broken
[12:18] <Chipaca> rye: ping?
[13:30] <dobey> we really need to get rid of the connection notifications
[13:31] <beuno> yes, thisfred started working on it I think
[13:31] <thisfred> dobey: beuno: yep, in progress
[13:31] <ralsina> yes, those are way too spammy and don't serve a useful purpose
[13:32] <dobey> they might be useful with a lot of work, but they are spammy, and the messages only make sense in one of the many posssible contexts
[13:33] <ralsina> the "connection lost" etc. notifications make no sense until we have a real ubuntuone availavility service
[13:34] <ralsina> Then we can stop trying to connect when the server is known to be down.
[13:34] <ralsina> And we won't spam the user so much. Also, it makes no sense to notify the user the connection was lost when all connectivity was lost.
[13:35] <ralsina> So, when is it worth notifying that we lost connection to the server? I have no idea.
[13:35] <beuno> or even connected?
[13:35] <beuno> maybe we just drop connect/disconnect notifications?
[13:36] <dobey> ralsina: what good is an availability service if you can't connect to it? :)
[13:36] <ralsina> beuno: dobey, it's a simple service, where we can say "we know it's down, stop trying"
[13:36] <ralsina> oops, that was for dobey :-)
[13:36] <ralsina> dobey: could be a static web page for all we care
[13:37] <dobey> sd is already supposed to stop trying
[13:37] <dobey> it doesn't seem to stop any more though, so i guess it's probably a bug
[13:37] <ralsina> sd: well, it doesn't, or we wouldn't get spammy notifications, would we? ;-)
[13:38] <dobey> well, if it keeps connecting successfully and THEN losing connection, it would be spammy
[13:38] <ralsina> dobey: and we could prevent that with the availability service.
[13:39] <dobey> i haven't looked at the logs, but i presume that's what is happening since it's saying "the connection was restored"
[13:39] <ralsina> We could even put a warning icon in launcher and then inform the user of scheduled maintenance, etc.
[13:39] <dobey> or heuristics
[13:39] <ralsina> dobey: the problem with heuristics is that they work until they don't. I prefer low-tech solutions if they are easy.
[13:39] <ralsina> dobey: and not too much work.
[13:40] <dobey> somehow i doubt that my waking up on friday morning to notification spam from u1 is "scheduled downtime" :)
[13:41] <thisfred> ralsina, dobey, beuno, alecu so we drop the (dis)connection notifications altogether?
[13:41] <ralsina> alecu is out doing paperwork
[13:41] <dobey> thisfred: please!
[13:41] <thisfred> I think they are useful in the middle of a transfer
[13:41] <ralsina> thisfred: why? What can the user do?
[13:41] <thisfred> but I'm happy to take them out
[13:42] <ralsina> "the connection dropped". Ok, I will tell it to reconnect (oh, wait it reconnects automatically, and then resumes uploads, so...)
[13:42] <dobey> thisfred: interrupted transfer should say "oops the transfer was interrupted" in that case or something maybe, but the current connection notifications are totally broken
[13:42] <thisfred> ralsina: reconnect to the wireless if that's the problem, or at least know that the download/upload is incomplete and will remain so until the connection is made again\
[13:42] <ralsina> thisfred: the user should get a wireless disconnect notification from Network Manager, I assume
[13:42] <dobey> thisfred: if wifi was dropped then network manager notifies
[13:43] <thisfred> ok, I'll take them out
[13:43] <thisfred> happy happy joy joy
[13:43] <ralsina> thisfred: so, if the user is at the keyboard, he will know the network is down and fix it. If he is not, then he won't see our notification either. Comment it out :)
[13:43] <dobey> and the progress bar on the launcher will presumably also not go away if things aren't done
[13:43] <thisfred> no commenting out of code, ever
[13:43] <thisfred> DELETE!
[13:44] <thisfred> dobey: correct
[13:44] <ralsina> dobey: the progress bar is small enough that for large files progress is not really visible.
[13:44] <ralsina> thisfred: ok ok nuke it
[13:44] <dobey> ralsina: i think "has not changed in 6 hours" is pretty visible
[13:44] <thisfred> ralsina:  well, it *will* show a disconnected emblem when disconnected
[13:44] <thisfred> there I go
[13:44] <ralsina> dobey: that assumes so many things the user would have to know it's not even funny :-)
[13:45] <ralsina> thisfred: cool, then the notif. is doublpy useless :-)
[13:45] <dobey> well they would have to know they are using u1 and that the progress bar is there
[13:45] <dobey> but whatever
[13:45] <ralsina> dobey: for example, is that bar showing the same upload as 6 hours ago?
[13:45] <dobey> well if you've been staring at it for 6 hours, probably
[13:45] <ralsina> dobey: also, since the launcher is hidden when you have maximized windows, it assumes you actually *see* the progress bar
[13:46]  * ralsina has not seen the launcher this morning yet
[13:48] <dobey> then how do you see the disconnected emblem? :)
[13:50] <ralsina> dobey: I don't think the user should care about it
[13:51] <ralsina> dobey: unless he's trying to diagnose what's not working
[13:51] <thisfred> ralsina: dobey https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/lp-737150/+merge/53989
[13:51] <thisfred> that removes the notifications
[13:51] <ralsina> thisfred: ok, will check it as soon as there's a diff
[13:52] <ralsina> dobey: u1 should just work, right? That's our goal. The user should operate under the assumption that as long as he has network he has u1 connected.
[13:56] <dobey> there are two things to that. working and verifibility. the latter is what makes doing good UI that suits everyone's needs hard to do
[13:57] <thisfred> well the user has a place to check, if they bring up the unity menu. An indicator would be better, but that ship has sailed and was burned.
[14:02] <mandel> me
[14:02] <thisfred> me
[14:03] <ralsina> me
[14:03] <dobey> me
[14:03] <ralsina> alecu is not here for the standup today, so mandel, go ahead
[14:03] <mandel> DONE: Bug triagging. More SSO UI. Added Logic for UI validation, but I need to add a branch that shares de logic between gtk and qt.
[14:03] <mandel> TODO: Fix some UI things like look horrible. The above mentioned branch.
[14:03] <mandel> BLOCKED: No
[14:03] <mandel> thisfred, please
[14:03] <thisfred> * INPROGRESS get ubuntuone-couch into natty [1/2]
[14:03] <thisfred>  - [X] 0.2.0  https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-couch/release-0.2.0/+merge/53317
[14:03] <thisfred>  - [ ] ubuntuone-couch FFE http://pad.lv/729117
[14:03] <thisfred> * NEEDSREVIEW dbus activation of control panel http://pad.lv/728722 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-control-panel/dbusify/+merge/53854
[14:03] <thisfred> * NEEDSREVIEW remove (dis)connection notifications http://pad.lv/734895 http://pad.lv/737150 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/lp-737150/+merge/53989
[14:03] <thisfred> * INPROGRESS notifications/alerts of quota events http://pad.lv/702172 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/quota-notifications
[14:04] <thisfred> * TODO assist in couchdb migration
[14:04] <thisfred> NEXT: ralsina
[14:04] <ralsina> DONE: 3 hours of phone calls, reviews, admin work
[14:04] <ralsina> TODO: prepare for a release, ask for testers, start evaluations
[14:04] <ralsina> BLOCKED: only in my mind
[14:04] <ralsina> dobey?
[14:06] <dobey> λ DONE: bug #596394,  bug #727558
[14:06] <dobey> λ TODO: bug #733327
[14:06] <dobey> λ BLCK: My brain hurts.
[14:06] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 596394 in libubuntuone (Ubuntu) (and 4 other projects) "False "Internet connection is required to access the music store" message (affects: 12) (dups: 1) (heat: 58)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/596394
[14:06] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 727558 in libubuntuone (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "Need to notify user when Purchased Music folder is not subscribed (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727558
[14:06] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 733327 in libubuntuone (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Notify user of missing MP3 support (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733327
[14:06] <ralsina> ok, comments?
[14:08] <thisfred> I'd like reviews on my two proposals :)
[14:08] <dobey> thisfred: me too
[14:08] <ralsina> thisfred: I am about to give you one :-)
[14:08] <thisfred> hehe
[14:08] <ralsina> dobey: I approved one this morning
[14:08] <thisfred> dobey: I'll get on them
[14:09] <dobey> ralsina: yeah, now it needs one more review :)
[14:10] <ralsina> thisfred: +1 on lp-737150
[14:10] <ralsina> thisfred: you have another one?
[14:10] <thisfred> thx
[14:10] <thisfred> ralsina: yep: https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-control-panel/dbusify/+merge/53854
[14:11] <thisfred> dobey: warn-unsubscribed or the vapi-build one too? (I'm pretty sure I'll be useless on that one, unless you want a rubberstamp)
[14:12] <dobey> warn-unsubscribed
[14:14] <ralsina> thisfred: dbusify is about starting the control panel?
[14:14]  * ralsina needs context sometimes
[14:14] <thisfred> ralsina: yeah, it adds the service.in, but it also makes sure we start the control panel only once
[14:14] <ralsina> thisfred: ok
[14:40] <thisfred> dobey: I do not see the warning in banshee on natty
[14:41] <thisfred> maybe I'm looking in the wrong place though
[14:42] <thisfred> where should it be?
[14:43] <thisfred> I do see a warning in the terminal: No feature manager for feature of type U1RequestChrome
[14:45] <dobey> libraries page
[14:45] <dobey> "My Downloads" or whatever it is
[14:45] <thisfred> I don't think I have that
[14:45] <dobey> so it only shows up there, instead of everywhere
[14:46] <dobey> sure you do, it's in the top nav bar of the music store, toward the right
[14:46] <thisfred> oh ok, I thought it was an entry under the Libraries in the banshee tree on the left
[14:46] <dobey> ah no, sorry
[14:47] <thisfred> dobey: yep, it shows up! approving
[14:47] <dobey> and it goes away if you subscribe by any means
[14:48] <thisfred> dobey: could you please look at my two branches as well? Especially the notifications one would be good to get into nightlies
[14:48] <dobey> well ralsina wanted a release today
[14:48] <dobey> so should go into that :)
[14:48] <ralsina> yes, I would love to have one
[14:50] <dobey> thisfred: notifications one is approved
[14:50] <thisfred> awesome
[15:31] <dobey> alright, lunch time
[17:14] <dobey> hrmm, which page should i put the mp3 codec install bit on in the music store
[17:26] <alecu> hello #ubuntuone!
[17:28] <ralsina> hello alecu!
[17:28] <ralsina> how did the trámites go?
[17:35] <alecu> ralsina, lots of queues, lots of waiting, but now  we own a car.
[17:35] <ralsina> alecu: congrats. You going by car to pycamp?
[17:35] <alecu> ralsina, don't know how to drive! my wife will be using it.
[17:35] <ralsina> hahaha
[17:36] <alecu> ralsina, also: she needs some practice still.
[17:36] <ralsina> I am probably buying one in a couple of months, for the same reason, and I also can't drive
[17:36] <alecu> but I have my bus tickets for pycamp ready
[17:37] <alecu> ralsina, we should learn to drive. UDS at the US of A are very boring otherwise :-)
[17:37] <ralsina> yep, I will take lessons some day
[17:38] <ralsina> Oh, and talking about trips, I need to book *more* tickets to london
[17:39]  * alecu is trying to make sense of the monospaced block of gibberish that the travel agent sent.
[17:39] <dobey> oh yeah, i should do london tickets too
[17:39] <ralsina> What, your teletype broke? :-)
[17:39]  * alecu wonders if his gnome-terminal looks like that to non-coders
[17:39]  * ralsina got his travel info by TELEX and it looks as expected
[17:41] <alecu> ralsina, perhaps I can get a review on this trivial branch...
[17:41] <alecu> https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-control-panel/the-outer-limits/+merge/53946
[17:41] <ralsina> whoa, this is just super cool, even if it's a bit overcomplicated for real life: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/18/multi-process-lighthouse/
[17:41] <ralsina> alecu: por supus
[17:42] <ralsina> +1
[17:53] <dobey> huh
[18:00] <verterok> oh, london tickets!
[18:06] <dobey> heh
[18:38] <thisfred> alecu: don't know if you caught that, but the (dis)connection notifications are now gone altogether
[18:39] <alecu> thisfred, didn't caught that.
[18:40] <alecu> thisfred, we are ditching them for good?
[18:40] <alecu> thisfred, I read yesterday backlog, and it looked like they irked our space commander.
[18:40] <thisfred> alecu: after some quick discussion that's what it looks like:
[18:40] <thisfred> alecu: right, and today even more
[18:40] <thisfred> as the servers are burning
[18:41] <thisfred> alecu: I filed a bug to throttle them, but then ralsina made the point that there is nothing the user can or should do in response
[18:41] <thisfred> so the information is not that useful. And the launcher still will show the warning emblem if downloads were in progress
[18:42] <alecu> right
[18:42] <ralsina> space commander?
[18:42] <alecu> thisfred, so, is there a bug for this?
[18:42] <alecu> ralsina, yup, the commander of our spaceship.
[18:42] <thisfred> alecu yep
[18:42] <alecu> ralsina, the self appointed benevolent dictator for life!
[18:42] <thisfred> ralsina http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Zapp_Brannigan
[18:43]  * thisfred starts looking at job postings ;)
[18:43] <ralsina> Zapp branigan works at Canonical? Yeah! :-)
[18:44] <alecu> hahaha
[18:44] <thisfred> alecu:  bug  #737150 and bug #734895
[18:44] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 737150 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Connected/disconnected notifications need to be removed. (dup-of: 734895)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737150
[18:44] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 734895 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "connection restored notification is pointless (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/734895
[18:44] <alecu> great
[18:46] <alecu> thisfred, ralsina: that sounds like a very needed fix for our current issue.
[18:46] <alecu> thisfred, ralsina: will we release a package with this soonish?
[18:46] <ralsina> well, it's supposed to be merged already
[18:47] <ralsina> alecu: today, if dobey makes it
[18:47] <thisfred> it is merged and a release is being cut as we speak
[18:47] <ralsina> see alecu, desktop+ rolls on while you are buying cars :-)
[18:47] <alecu> cool!
[18:48] <dobey> with what?
[18:48] <dobey> ah notifications
[18:48] <dobey> is in 1.5.7 yes
[19:22] <alecu> and now, for insurance.... Yet more paperwork!
[19:49] <dobey> ralsina: just uploaded ubuntuone-client 1.5.7 to ubuntu
[19:50] <ralsina> dobey: cool, man!
[19:54] <dobey> ralsina: you have a working fix for the rhythmbox extension?
[19:54] <ralsina> dobey: it turns out I don't
[19:55] <ralsina> dobey: I thought I had it, but I get random segfaults
[19:55] <dobey> weird
[19:56] <dobey> well i'll just do libu1 and control panel then
[19:56] <ralsina> ok
[19:56] <ralsina> if I can't fix it on the weekend I'll ask you for a hand with it
[19:57] <dobey> i was planning to look at it, as soon as the banshee things are up to par
[19:57] <dobey> which should be soon i hope :)
[19:58] <ralsina> yay!
[19:58] <ralsina> I ended almost rewriting the plugin because it was very different from the other plugins that came with RB
[19:58] <ralsina> different file structure, class naming, etc.
[19:58] <dobey> right
[19:58] <dobey> a lot of the cruft will be removable next week anyway
[19:59] <dobey> ralsina: did you ever actually review thisfred's dbusify branch?
[20:00] <dobey> also a second review of https://code.launchpad.net/~evfool/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix729530/+merge/53329 would be nice
[20:00] <ralsina> dobey: I didn't approve it because I didn't want it to merge yet
[20:00] <ralsina> I'll approve it now
[20:00] <dobey> why did you not want it to merge?
[20:00] <thisfred> dobey: I think alecu should do the second review on that one
[20:01] <ralsina> ok, it's silly but I was waiting for the release
[20:01] <alecu> will do.
[20:01] <ralsina> it's +1 already but if alecu wants to take a look too it's fine :-)
[20:01] <dobey> ralsina: you're afraid to put it in the release?
[20:01] <thisfred> alecu: it's simple enough, but it's a community contribution, and I want to make sure it's in line with what we want
[20:01] <alecu> thisfred, second review of the dbusify branch?
[20:01] <ralsina> dobey: I know it wouldn'tgo in before it got marked as Approved, but it's just that I prioritized it for "later"
[20:02] <thisfred> alecu: no the evfool one
[20:02] <alecu> ok, will do
[20:02] <ralsina> thisfred: oh, evfool I didn'tcheck
[20:02]  * ralsina has a list, and he checks it twice
[20:02] <dobey> thisfred: all it does is change the default size to be what was specified, instead of requesting -1 as the width (which really doesn't make any sense to me why it did that anywya)
[20:03] <thisfred> dobey: I don't know enough about it to even know that it doesn't make sense
[20:03] <alecu> there's a comment on that line, with a different bug #
[20:03] <alecu> bug #683164
[20:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683164 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Maximum sizes for window and banner (affects: 1) (heat: 32)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683164
[20:04] <dobey> alecu: yes, that was put there previously by nessita
[20:04] <dobey> alecu: i think because that bug is about the window's default size
[20:04] <dobey> alecu: nothing there explains why she set it to -1, 525 though
[20:04] <dobey> i think the -1 might be from when we were arguing about how to make resizing work correctly
[20:08] <dobey> thisfred: is there any good reason to not put your branch in the release?
[20:09] <thisfred> dobey: nothing compelling, just that it makes the panel switching not work when the control-panel is already open
[20:09] <dobey> thisfred: will that break the existing unity integration?
[20:09] <thisfred> but neither does it add anything super useful, so that's why I wanted to hold off on it
[20:10] <thisfred> dobey: when we open the control panel from the msging menu, and it's already open, it won't flip to the shares panel.
[20:10] <thisfred> that's not unity, but yes it breaks
[20:10] <dobey> thisfred: or raise it i guess
[20:10] <dobey> well messaging indicator is unity
[20:11] <dobey> so yes :)
[20:11] <thisfred> it would rause it I think
[20:11] <thisfred> raise
[20:11] <thisfred> anyway, let's not and let's make it all work for the next one?
[20:11] <dobey> yes, don't set it to approved yet
[20:11] <thisfred> ok
[20:12] <dobey> also no, it won't raise the existing control panel because you didn't actually implement a service which does a window.present() if it's already running
[20:12] <alecu> thisfred, why is there a print "YES" here? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-control-panel/trunk/revision/94
[20:13] <dobey> someone left a debugging statement in
[20:13] <thisfred> that would be me
[20:13] <thisfred> argh
[20:14] <thisfred> ok, fix branch coming up
[20:14] <dobey> make it snappy
[20:17] <alecu> hmmm.... after reading about set_size_request, I'm uneasy of it ever being in the code.
[20:17] <alecu> let's try testing irl.
[20:17] <thisfred> alecu: dobey https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-control-panel/remove-debug-print/+merge/54066
[20:18] <kavurt> how can I upload a song to my ipod?
[20:20] <dobey> kavurt: #ubuntu is the channel for help about ubuntu
[20:21] <kavurt> i know dobey. how can i upload a song from ubuntu to ipod?
[20:23] <alecu> approved evfool branch
[20:24] <thisfred> kavurt: *this* is not the #ubuntu channel ;)
[20:24] <ralsina> kavurt on the other hand, if your song is synced with ubuntu one, you can get our iphone app :-)
[20:24] <kavurt> oh sorry
[20:25] <alecu> thisfred, approved print removal branch
[20:25] <thisfred> thx set to approved
[20:26] <thisfred> I should find debug statements that also make the tests fail
[20:33] <Plecebo> Is it usual for U1 to take a very long time to download purchased music. Sometimes it is taking several hours per CD to download. Where as with Amazon etc I get the purchase in 30 seconds or less.
[20:34] <beuno> Plecebo, it is not normal, no
[20:34] <beuno> are they available on the u1 web ui?
[20:34] <Plecebo> yes
[20:35] <Plecebo> If I log into the u1 website I can see and download them that way, but I have to dl each song individually
[20:35] <beuno> Plecebo, so there's probably something wrong with your desktop client
[20:35] <beuno> is it connected?
[20:35] <Plecebo> It has downloaded 20 of the 36 tracks on the album, so I'd assume so
[20:35] <Plecebo> that has taken approx 30 minutes
[20:36] <Plecebo> and seems stalled now
[20:36] <beuno> Plecebo, can you run this in a terminal:  u1sdtools -s
[20:36] <Plecebo> comand not found
[20:37] <dobey> u1sdtool -s
[20:37] <Plecebo> State: READY
[20:37] <Plecebo>     connection: Not User With Network
[20:37] <Plecebo>     description: ready to connect
[20:37] <Plecebo>     is_connected: False
[20:37] <Plecebo>     is_error: False
[20:37] <Plecebo>     is_online: False
[20:37] <Plecebo>     queues: WORKING_ON_BOTH
[20:38] <beuno> Plecebo, right, it's not connected
[20:38] <beuno> what Ubuntu version are you running?
[20:38] <Plecebo> 10.10
[20:38] <beuno> Plecebo, you should be able to connect just by running: u1sdtool -c
[20:38] <beuno> or opening the u1 app and clicking on connect
[20:38] <Plecebo> the is_online is what is telling you it is not connected? or the connection part?
[20:39] <dobey> both
[20:39] <Plecebo> looks to be connected now
[20:40] <Plecebo> looks to be downloading now as well
[20:40] <beuno> great
[20:41] <beuno> a lot of this is more polished in Natty (dealing with connect/disconnect)
[20:41] <Plecebo> So i'm making these purchases via the banshee plugin, how can I make sure the connection stays up for next time
[20:41] <Plecebo> is it? I'm excited to see what improvements have been made :)
[20:41] <beuno> it normally does stay up
[20:41] <Plecebo> thanks a lot for your help
[20:41] <Plecebo> this seems to be rather common for me
[20:41] <beuno> if you're an adventurer, you can you our daily builds
[20:41] <beuno> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/nightlies
[20:42] <Plecebo> when purchasing via u1
[20:42] <kenvandine> thisfred, ubuntuone-couch is creating an empty package
[20:42] <kenvandine> thisfred, W: ubuntuone-couch: empty-binary-package
[20:42] <kenvandine> thisfred, otherwise it looks great :)
[20:42] <thisfred> kenvandine: hehe
[20:42] <thisfred> Hmm. How can that be.
[20:42] <Plecebo> beuno, thanks, I may just look into that
[20:43] <Plecebo> beuno, thanks again for your help
[20:43] <dobey> beuno, Plecebo: there is an update pending in maverick-proposed as well that might help
[20:43] <thisfred> I must have missed one step or something
[20:43] <beuno> Plecebo, no problem
[20:43] <beuno> kenvandine, thisfred is a very minimalistic guy
[20:43] <kenvandine> hehe
[20:43] <kenvandine> thisfred, i assume from dropping pysupport
[20:43] <thisfred> It's true, I thought this way we'd get the FFE through, and then we can do the malware injection during string freeze
[20:44] <kenvandine> haha
[20:44] <thisfred> kenvandine: Ah yeah, I only tested that it made a package which was installable. Actually checking that the binaries were there would have been good :)
[20:46] <dobey> kenvandine: if you wouldn't mind sponsoring https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/natty/libubuntuone/release-0-9-1/+merge/54070 too that would be nice :)
[20:52] <thisfred> kenvandine: pushed a version with python-support reinstated, but I'll test here
[20:55] <kenvandine> dobey, i'll try to look in a bit... i need to eod soon :)
[20:55] <kenvandine> thisfred, you need to change it in debian/rules too
[20:56] <thisfred> ah
[20:59] <dobey> kenvandine: yeah me too. i will have an ubuntuone-control-panel release proposed soon too. as soon as this one other branch lands so i can do the tarball
[20:59] <kenvandine> dobey, working on it now
[20:59] <dobey> thanks
[21:00] <dobey> wow it is 81F right now here
[21:01] <kenvandine> yeah, 83 here
[21:01] <kenvandine> too damn hot :)
[21:05] <thisfred> kenvandine: works now, at least OMM ;)
[21:05] <kenvandine> :)
[21:05] <thisfred> pushed the rules fix
[21:05] <thisfred> 81 here too, welcome spring!
[21:06] <kenvandine> thisfred, so how do i figure out what urlpath to use?
[21:07] <thisfred> kenvandine: u1couchquery contacts should work
[21:07] <thisfred> you don't need the url, just the db name
[21:08] <thisfred> for u1oauthrequest let me check what a good test url is
[21:08] <kenvandine> thisfred, can i change records with this?
[21:08] <thisfred> u1oauthrequest https://one.ubuntu.com/api/account/
[21:08]  * kenvandine wants to delete the 20K bookmarks i have
[21:08] <kenvandine> so i can actually use bindwood again
[21:08] <thisfred> kenvandine: sure can, by using PUT POST or DELETE
[21:09]  * kenvandine thinks there should be a man page :)
[21:09] <kenvandine> can i delete the whole db?
[21:09] <thisfred> there is a --help, but yes, there should be
[21:09] <kenvandine> bookmarks
[21:09] <dobey> i bet lint thinks there should be a man page too
[21:10] <kenvandine> thisfred, the --help doesn't really tell you how to use it
[21:10] <kenvandine> :)
[21:10] <thisfred> kenvandine: yes you can, BUT you have to do it locally and remotely, before the next replication happens
[21:10] <kenvandine> i got bit by the firefox live bookmarks bug in bindwood before it was ever released
[21:10] <thisfred> kenvandine: right, documentation is on the roadmap of the API team. Which is aquarius :)
[21:10] <kenvandine> haven't been able to use it since
[21:11] <thisfred> kenvandine: so if you just remove the db remotely, replication will put it back
[21:11] <thisfred> same for locally
[21:11] <thisfred> if you do both between replications, they'll stay gone
[21:12] <dobey> thisfred: i guess you have to do it on ALL machines before replication?
[21:12]  * kenvandine has no machines with desktopcouch atm
[21:12] <thisfred> dobey: yeah
[21:12] <thisfred> that's the painful part
[21:12] <thisfred> kenvandine: then doing it remotely will work
[21:12] <kenvandine> ok, can you give me an example then?
[21:13] <thisfred> to delete the bookmarks?
[21:13] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:14] <thisfred> u1couchquery --http-method=DELETE bookmarks
[21:14] <thisfred> use with care :)
[21:15] <kenvandine> done... yay!
[21:15] <thisfred> :)
[21:15] <kenvandine> maybe i can install bindwood and desktopcouch again :)
[21:16] <thisfred> james-h is making bindwood super-excellent
[21:16] <kenvandine> dobey, uploaded
[21:19] <kenvandine> thisfred, ok, if this thing builds in pbuilder, i'm uploading
[21:19] <kenvandine> :)
[21:19] <thisfred> wheee :)
[21:20] <thisfred> that'll be my first packaging effort that makes it into universe. I feel celebratory beer coming on.
[21:20]  * thisfred is jinxing it
[21:21] <kenvandine> :)
[21:21] <kenvandine> did you guys like just take down the server?
[21:21] <kenvandine> getting a 503 now
[21:21] <kenvandine> status:503, response: '<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">\n<html><head>\n<title>503 Service Temporarily Unavailable</title>\n</head><body>\n<h1>Service Temporarily Unavailable</h1>\n<p>The server is temporarily unable to service your\nrequest due to maintenance downtime or capacity\nproblems. Please try again later.</p>\n<hr>\n<address>Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at couchdb.one.ubuntu.com Port 443</address>\n</body></h
[21:21] <kenvandine> tml>\n'
[21:21] <dobey> why did you crash the server ken
[21:21] <kenvandine> or did me deleting my bookmarks crash it :)
[21:21] <dobey> that's not cool
[21:21] <kenvandine> nice error message from a cli tool :-D
[21:21]  * kenvandine ducks
[21:22] <dobey> well we were just going to have people use telnet
[21:22] <kenvandine> oh, i only get that querying my gwibber-messages db
[21:22] <dobey> but we decided people just aren't knowledgeable enough about the web to use it
[21:23] <kenvandine> still works for my other dbs though
[21:23] <dobey> oh that makes sense
[21:23] <dobey> gwibber-messages is evil
[21:24] <kenvandine> thisfred, uploaded
[21:24] <kenvandine> ok... eod for me... later folks!
[21:24] <thisfred> kenvandine: you rock, thanks!
[21:24] <thisfred> have a great weekend
[21:28] <dobey> cheers kenvandine
[21:29] <dobey> have a good weekend all. later
[21:33] <kenvandine> thisfred, i pushed the branch to lp:~ken-vandine/ubuntu/natty/ubuntuone-couch/ubuntu
[21:33] <kenvandine> until i can create lp:ubuntu/ubuntuone-couch
[21:33] <kenvandine> thisfred, i had reformated the changelog a little and added the FFE bug
[21:33] <thisfred> great, there's nothing I have to do except wait then right?
[21:33] <kenvandine> so you should merge that back into your's
[21:33] <thisfred> ok, will do
[21:33] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:34] <kenvandine> or prod an archive admin to approve it
[21:34] <kenvandine> it is in sourceNEW
[21:35] <kenvandine> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[21:35] <kenvandine> once someone approves it there
[21:35] <kenvandine> and it builds
[21:35] <kenvandine> someone will need to binNEW it
[21:35] <kenvandine> so the binary makes it to the archive
[21:36] <thisfred> I will keep an eye on it