[08:31] <ochosi> hey micahg 
[14:54] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:56] <charlie-tca> ochosi, mr_pouit : i386 desktop installation worked, but I only got one workspace in the VBox install. I have two workspaces in the live cd.
[14:56] <ochosi> hey charlie
[14:56] <charlie-tca> Hello
[14:57] <charlie-tca> I would like at least two workspaces in our finished installations, please.
[14:57] <ochosi> no clue about that tbh, any ideas mr_pouit ?
[15:00] <mr_pouit> no idea either, I need to check that
[15:01] <mr_pouit> it seems to be a bit messy, as I had to list 4 workspaces in the config even if only two are used
[15:01] <ochosi> i assume it must be a bug, at least i don't remember a conscious decision against multiple worksapces
[15:01] <ochosi> oh
[15:01] <ochosi> right
[15:01] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: if it's reproducible, please file a bug, otherwise I'm going to forget
[15:01] <charlie-tca> okay, installing 64bit now, will file when it finishes
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[15:03] <ochosi> mhm, it's in my diary
[15:04] <ochosi> btw, charlie-tca and mr_pouit, i wanted to show you a rather subtle thunar-theming idea and wanted to ask you what you think of it
[15:06] <charlie-tca> You have a link?
[15:06] <ochosi> yes, one second, my natty install is upgrading atm...
[15:06] <charlie-tca> ouch
[15:06] <charlie-tca> Xorg is awaiting all it's packages again
[15:07] <ochosi> ok, here's the screenshot: http://imagebin.org/143689
[15:07] <ochosi> (it's thunar 1.0.* but it will work/look the same way in thunar 1.1.*)
[15:09] <charlie-tca> I like that color shading, but what will happen in detailed view with the shaded lines?
[15:09] <ochosi> they won't be affected
[15:09] <charlie-tca> I have every other line a darker gray, so everything shows up easily
[15:09] <ochosi> i only colored the bg of the shortcuts and the tree-sidepane
[15:09] <ochosi> so it's independent of the rest of thunar
[15:10] <charlie-tca> I like it. It drives me nuts to have that pane white
[15:10] <ochosi> ok, so shall i push it to greybird then?
[15:10] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: ??
[15:10] <charlie-tca> My thought is "Yes", let's do it
[15:11] <charlie-tca> Unless mr_pouit knows a reason not too, go for it
[15:11] <ochosi> good, since it's a kinda last-minute change i wanted to be sure, i can wait for mr_pouit 
[15:11] <ochosi> i already have the code ready, i only have to push "commit && push"
[15:12] <ochosi> i just realized that the order of elements has changed in the new thunar
[15:12] <ochosi> in maverick it's home, trash, desktop, root
[15:12] <ochosi> in natty it's home, desktop, trash, root
[15:12] <charlie-tca> minor detail
[15:13] <mr_pouit> yeah, you can do it
[15:13] <ochosi> ok, nice
[15:13] <charlie-tca> this just gets better and better, huh?
[15:13] <ochosi> sure :)
[15:14] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i spent/spend a lot of time on fine-tuning greybird, i would be disappointed if it wouldn't get better and better ;)
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Your efforts are greatly appreciated! It looks really good!
[15:15] <charlie-tca> wOw! 64bit desktop is installing today
[15:15] <ochosi> that's good news
[15:16] <mr_pouit> ochosi: I'm going to do an upload of xubuntu-artwork to include knome's wp, so pleae send me a mail if you want me to get the latest greybird rev from git :p
[15:16] <mr_pouit> *please
[15:16] <ochosi> mr_pouit: is it ok if i update greybird _now_ or would i still have to send you an email?
[15:16] <mr_pouit> I'll only work on it when I'm back home
[15:17] <mr_pouit> so maybe I will forget :p
[15:17] <mr_pouit> but it should be fine
[15:17] <ochosi> ok, i'll drop you a few friendly lines then ;)
[15:20] <knome> http://open.knome.fi/2011/03/18/xubuntu-natty-default-wallpaper/
[15:28] <charlie-tca> 64bit desktop installed, it has two workspaces!
[15:29] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I will do a hardware install to verify i386 workspaces, then file a bug
[15:43] <micahg> hi ochosi 
[15:43] <ochosi> hey micahg 
[15:47] <ochosi> micahg: how long do you think it'll take for 1.1.7 to get into natty?
[15:48] <micahg> ochosi,well, since you have other patches for me, probably sooner
[15:48] <micahg> Monday/Tuesday Hopefully, can you point me to the patches
[15:49] <ochosi> how would you like them to be delivered?
[15:50] <micahg> well, a patch in can throw in debian/patches would be good, or are they all in your PPA build?
[15:51] <ochosi> they are all in my ppa
[15:51] <ochosi> i have never worked with real patches
[15:53] <ochosi> there shouldn't be much to do in fact, add one file and then change a few other lines, that's all
[15:55] <micahg> ochosi, if you start with a clean source format 3 package, then add you fixes individually and rename, you'll get DEP-3 headers + Patches, see DEP3: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[16:00] <ochosi> micahg: ok, i'll have a look into that later
[16:02] <micahg> ochosi, so basically, with source format 3, debuild -S will take any changes made directly to the source and make a quilt patch out of it 
[16:02] <ochosi> ah
[16:02] <ochosi> that sounds easy enough
[16:03] <micahg> ochosi, it will also give you sample DEP-3 headers which you can edit to be appropriate
[16:03] <ochosi> have to read up on a bit of the debian packaging stuff yet, i only dealt with the basics up to now (and i don't even know what format3 is yet)
[16:03] <micahg> ochosi, http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0
[16:04] <micahg> ochosi, the distro version is 3.0 (quilt)
[16:04] <ochosi> so all i have to do is create the debian/source/format file?
[16:04] <ochosi> and then it'll be format 3
[16:04] <micahg> ochosi, yep
[16:05] <ochosi> micahg: and the 1.1.7 packages you'll build for debian/ubuntu will be format 3?
[16:11] <micahg> ochosi, yep
[16:11] <ochosi> micahg: ok, so it'd be best to download your 1.1.7 source-package and then change whatever i wanna change in it and then debuild -S ?
[16:14] <micahg> ochosi, you should be able to pull the 1.1.6 version, run uscan and then the appropriate uupdate command and make your changes to that, I hope to not need any new patches in Debian
[16:14] <ochosi> yeah, the patches would only be for ubuntu
[16:15] <ochosi> micahg: so you think i shouldn't wait for 1.1.7?
[16:16] <micahg> ochosi, packaging diffs shouldn't matter, right, you're just changing the upstream source?
[16:16] <micahg> 1.1.7 upstream is released, uscan should pull it
[16:16] <ochosi> micahg: yes, i only change a few lines of upstream and add a file
[16:19] <ochosi> micahg: ok, i'll try uscan then (never used it before)
[19:18] <drc> making the news:  http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/xubuntu-1104-default-wallpaper.html
[19:19] <drc> opps...meant the main x channel...sorry
[20:02] <Sysi> topic at #xubuntu mentions #ubuntu-irc-hwlpers but that channel doesn't exist anymore, was considered useless
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Thanks, fixed it
[22:15] <PsynoKhi0> hi