[05:26] <curry> how can i assign a specific size to my display?
[05:26] <curry> the one i want is not in the list . . .
[08:42] <jarnos> I don't see any network manager in tray in xubuntu 10.10.
[08:42] <Sysi> alt+F2 "nm-applet"
[08:55] <jarnos> Sysi, it does not help. "nm-applet --sm-disable" is running already, but is not shown in tray. It is not marked as hidden in tray properties.
[08:57] <Sysi> are any other items visible?
[08:57] <Sysi> adn what xubuntu/xfce version?
[08:59] <jarnos> Sysi, yes, see above
[09:00] <Sysi> ahem, what?
[09:00] <jarnos> Sysi, what do you mean be ahem?
[09:00] <jarnos> by ahem
[09:00] <Sysi> what above?
[09:01] <jarnos> Sysi,  I don't see any network manager in tray in xubuntu 10.10.
[09:01] <Sysi> ah, sorry, just woke up
[09:01] <Sysi> have you tried relogging/rebooting?
[09:02] <jarnos> Sysi, I tried relogging
[09:02] <jarnos> Sysi, I'll try rebooting.
[09:05] <andrew2> hello, i'm having some trouble getting compiz to show window borders on xubuntu 10.10, can anyone please help me?
[09:06] <Sysi> install emerald and set it to use it
[09:06] <Sysi> or what was the other one..
[09:07] <andrew2> allright, i've installed emerald
[09:08] <andrew2> what exactly should i be doing next?
[09:08] <jarnos> Sysi, rebooting did not help.
[09:08] <Sysi> andrew2: go to compiz settings -> window borders
[09:09] <Sysi> jarnos: hum, weird
[09:09] <andrew2> i'm there
[09:09] <Sysi> jarnos: are you using the default icon theme?
[09:10] <Sysi> andrew2: "there's /usr/bin/xfwm" somewhere, replace with "emerald"
[09:11] <andrew2> thanks Sysi that did the trick
[09:11] <Sysi> np
[09:13] <jarnos> Sysi, I have not changed it. But I installed xubuntu in non-default way: I installed by ubuntu minimal cd (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD), and then xfce by "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop", if I recall correctly.
[09:14] <jarnos> I also can't start synaptic package manager, since it does not accept my password.
[09:15] <Sysi> rm -rf ~/.gnome2/keyrings/
[09:15] <Sysi> try installing gnome-icon-theme
[09:18] <jarnos> Sysi, it does not help at least without further actions.
[09:18] <Sysi> hum, there's filed bug about nm-applet not working on kubuntu but then it didn't even start
[09:37] <lee026> hello?
[09:37] <Sysi> !hi
[09:38] <jarnos> Odd thing is that it does not accept my password, when the application is started from xfce menu. But if I start it by gksudo in terminal, it will accept my password.
[09:40] <jarnos> Sysi, what is the purpose of those keyrings you told me to delete? Will they be created again some time?
[09:40] <lee026> well thanks for being here
[09:41] <lee026> need to see the news but i will check back
[09:42] <Sysi> jarnos: it removes old paaswd, new one is asked next time you're trying to use keyring
[09:43] <jarnos> Sysi, did you note the above?
[09:43] <Sysi> with menu? yes
[09:45] <Sysi> really weird problems
[09:46] <jarnos> Sysi, the difference is that when starting from the menu, gksu is used instead of gksudo.
[09:46] <Sysi> in ubuntu they should do the same thing
[09:53] <jarnos> Sysi, yes, gksudo is symbolic link to gksu, but "gksu synaptic" does not allow me to use it, "gksudo synaptic" allows.
[09:55] <Sysi> i don't get how is that even possible
[10:09] <jarnos> Sysi, same for e.g. mousepad, gksudo works, but gksu tells password is incorrect.
[10:11] <Sysi> do you have authentication settings or something in menu? you could also try removing gksu, if there is such package
[10:20] <jarnos> Sysi, I don't see such settings. Removing gksu would remove e.g. network-manager-gnome and update-manager, and would install tens of new packages.
[10:21] <Sysi> hum
[10:24] <Maxs21r> hi all
[10:26] <jarnos> Sysi, maybe the network manager problem is connected to gksu problem.
[10:26] <Sysi> could be
[15:07] <nicofs> Where should i go if i have issues with natty?
[15:07] <knome> #ubuntu+1
[15:14] <drc> In the Settings manager>Mouse>Devices there is a <Reset to Defaults> button, but it apparently resets the defaults for Devices only (i.e., not Behavior, which has no reset option).  Anyone know offhand what the default settings for Behavior are?
[15:16] <charlie-tca> drc: which version?
[15:16] <charlie-tca> xubuntu version?
[15:17] <drc> 10.10, 4.6.2  Is that the versions you mean?
[15:17] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:17] <charlie-tca> let me bring up 10.10 and look
[15:18]  * drc boggles at the power of having multiple versions available :)
[15:19] <charlie-tca> I have every version available here, with 386 on hardware and all ubuntu and xubuntu releases in VBox
[15:19] <charlie-tca> I just haven't run installs on all them yet
[15:20] <charlie-tca> It is a bit slow, getting them to run
[15:21] <charlie-tca> drc: I also run at least three computers at once, since I do a lot of testing
[15:22] <charlie-tca> okay
[15:22] <charlie-tca> mouse behavior:  Threshold = 8, Time = 250, Distance = 5
[15:23] <charlie-tca> Devices tab: Acceleration = 2.0, threshold = 4
[15:23] <drc> Gave up multiple computers a few years ago (when my youngest daughter started running several boxes...only one geek in a household)
[15:23] <drc> Thanks
[15:23] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:24] <drc> I should know better than changing defaults without recording them
[15:24] <charlie-tca> It is necessary, since I run the development version on my daily system. I keep a 10.04 box for when development version crashes
[15:24] <drc> But I was seduced by the <Reset to Defaults> and wishful thinking
[15:25] <charlie-tca> such things happen
[15:25] <charlie-tca> I haven't touched 10.10 since it released
[15:26] <charlie-tca> I really like Natty, with xfce 4.8
[15:26] <drc> and I can't get 11.04 to install (well, U, not X..haven't tried that...yet)
[15:26] <charlie-tca> images are working today, at least Xubuntu is. I will be running Ubuntu images in a bit
[15:27] <charlie-tca> both 386 and amd64 desktop images installed today
[15:32] <drc> Can it do a USB install?  Last time I tried (with U), it got to a point in the install where the USB install REALLY wanted a CD to refer to (i.e. stopped cold).
[15:37] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I only have one computer that will boot from usb, and I haven't gotten far enough to test that yet
[15:38] <charlie-tca> It is supposed to be able to, both Ubuntu and xubuntu use the same installers
[15:39] <drc> I'm assuming that the basic core install fucntions are shared with U/X/K, just the DE installed being the difference?
[15:39] <drc> opp...anticipated me
[15:40] <charlie-tca> Kubuntu seems to have different installer stuff, too. It uses Ubiquity, but I don't know if it uses casper
[15:40] <drc> ah
[15:42] <knome> hey xubuntu people, the story of the new wallpaper is here! read more at http://open.knome.fi/2011/03/18/xubuntu-natty-default-wallpaper/
[15:51] <nicofs> Is there any config file for the xfce4-panel? my panel tries to start on a display that doesn't exist anymore and hence crashes...
[15:58] <charlie-tca> look in ~/.config
[16:05] <nicofs> there's quite a lot there...
[16:08] <nicofs> the trouble is that i can't start a new panel because it tries to start on that non-existent display... i just don't know how to fix that...
[16:09] <charlie-tca> That's not the panel config then, it is xorg
[16:09] <nicofs> whatever it is - i don't know what to do...
[16:10] <charlie-tca> You tried deleting the panels and starting them over again?
[16:10] <charlie-tca> !panels
[16:10] <charlie-tca> that wiki page tells how to completely remove them and restart them
[16:11] <charlie-tca> drc: Xubuntu i386 installed from usb stick today
[16:11] <nicofs> charlie-tca, "xfce4-panel" results in segfault
[16:12] <charlie-tca> That's bad then
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Maybe you have to wait for the updates to complete
[16:12] <nicofs> pastebin.com/hWRxP4Ni
[16:13] <nicofs> charlie-tca, i think the issue is that i used this nvidia tool to manage my two screens... and now that this tool is gone, i have only one display cloned to both screens and no panel...
[16:14] <charlie-tca> Maybe try going to just one screen until the drivers get sorted out again, then/
[16:14] <nicofs> charlie-tca, i have only one screen atm - but that doesn't give me my panel back... :-(
[16:15] <charlie-tca> you're running alpha software, I don't have an answer other than to wait for xorg and the video drivers to catch up again.
[16:15] <charlie-tca> fresh install is working today
[16:16] <charlie-tca> Maybe check this, too: * weboide found out that apt-get actually removed xorg-server package, that's why GDM wouldn't start! =X
[16:17] <nicofs> i bet it's just one line in some config file telling the panel to start on the wrong display...
[16:18] <nicofs> charlie-tca, apart from the panel, my xfce4 is running...
[16:19] <drc> charlie-tca: thanks for the heads up
[16:19] <charlie-tca> does the right-click desktop menu work, too?
[16:20] <nicofs> yes
[16:20] <charlie-tca> got it made then until things get fixed
[16:21] <nicofs> since not much can go wrong now, i just downloaded the nvidia drivers...
[16:22] <charlie-tca> I wouldn't try that, unless you are ready  to completely reinstall
[16:24] <nicofs> i don't have my home folder on the same HDD as the system - reinstalling is not too bad...
[16:25] <charlie-tca> that's good, cause when you install that nvidia driver, that is your option
[16:25] <nicofs> charlie-tca, if that pc were vital to my life, i wouldn't try out natty on it...
[16:33] <nicofs> I think i ruined it :-)
[17:26] <drc> Does the "update-manager -d" in 10.10 upgrade to A3 or the daily build?
[17:29] <pete1> can I report bugs here? ristretto eats up all my RAM & Swap
[17:34] <charlie-tca> daily
[17:34] <charlie-tca> drc: it upgrades to natty, and should include most of the updates. Natty if kept updated is equal to the daily builds
[17:35] <charlie-tca> !bugs | pete1
[17:35] <drc> charlie-tca:  danke
[17:35] <charlie-tca> no problem
[17:36] <charlie-tca> drc: be aware, xorg is broken again in natty
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Doing a partial upgrade is almost always bad
[17:37] <drc> oh well
[17:39] <drc> in that case maybe I'll just take a nap
[17:40] <charlie-tca> it's pretty common in natty for breaks like this. You are fine if you don t upgrade while things are in turmoil
[17:42] <drc> oh, I'm familiar with problems in alphas/betas, some days I just don't feel like putting up with the headaches/excitement (and this is rapidly becoming one of those days)
[17:42] <charlie-tca> I know that feeling
[17:47] <drc> funny thing is, it has nothing to do with computers...the new puppy is evidently still in her alpha stage :(
[17:48] <drc> and she definatley want to BE the Alpha dog
[17:49] <charlie-tca> ahhh, beta is march 31
[19:19] <drc> making the news: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/xubuntu-1104-default-wallpaper.html
[19:27] <Unit193> drc: I thought it was going to be http://www.flickr.com/photos/leogg/5224255554/in/pool-1546142@N20/
[19:28] <drc> Don't shoot me, I'm just the piano player....
[19:28] <Sysi> that was suggested too, but wasn't chosen
[19:28] <Sysi> iirc that will be available too
[19:28] <charlie-tca> Unit193: that will be included on the cd, for the user to install if desired
[19:29] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Thanks, I missed that part
[19:29] <drc> iirc, it was a tie, and our benevolent dictator chose :)
[19:31] <drc> wait...I was wrong, that was between the two to be "included" not the default
[19:32] <charlie-tca> please don't confuse the Xubuntu Project Lead with the man that puts out several million dollars a year for Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[19:35] <drc> Xubuntu does not share in this largess then?
[19:35] <charlie-tca> no
[19:35] <drc> interesting
[19:36] <charlie-tca> xubuntu recieves support only, no funding
[20:03] <jook> Hey, I dunno what happened here. I just installed some updates, and after the reboot, my panels are gone.
[20:04] <Sysi> !panels
[20:04] <jook> Hey, thanks mate
[23:27] <xubuntu_noob> hey, if I'm testing an xubuntu instance off of a USB drive, will I lose apps I install?
[23:28] <bazhang> if its not set to persistent , sure
[23:29] <bazhang> !usb
[23:29] <bazhang> check the last link for help with that
[23:42] <xubuntu_noob> thx