[00:43] <ScottK> debfx: What's wrong with the one that was uploaded a couple of hours ago?
[00:46] <apachelogger> oggy oggy oggy
[00:57] <ScottK> Watch out, I'm fixing kdm's upstart script.
[00:58] <ScottK> (fortunately patch provided by cjwatson, so you all should be in good hands)
[01:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh, mind that one, I once made shitty kdm maintainer scripts if you recall ^^
[01:33] <ScottK> Sure.
[01:33] <ScottK> Although kdm.upstart says it was written by nixternal.
[01:34] <ScottK> (which, IIRC, is accurate.
[01:34] <ScottK> )
[01:35] <apachelogger> well
[01:35] <apachelogger> all the more reason to not trust it :P
[01:35] <apachelogger> so, when are we migrating to systemd? :P
[01:35] <ScottK> The the kdm.upstart change was done by debfx, so I'm sure it's good.
[01:36] <ScottK> Right after we finish the upstart migration.
[01:36] <apachelogger> ah, so that is also going to start with vastly varpoware
[01:36] <apachelogger> nice
[01:36]  * apachelogger should suggest that name to the dictator for consideration
[01:39] <ScottK> Upstart migration will take a long time.
[01:39] <ScottK> It might be usable by then.
[02:48] <nixternal> jeesh, i did the kdm.upstart stuff like a while ago
[02:54] <valorie> nixternal: any progress on a new laptop?
[02:54] <valorie> I was sorry to hear about your loss
[02:54] <nixternal> none what so ever :(
[02:54] <valorie> :(
[02:54] <nixternal> don't have enough cash saved up to get a new lappy. hopefully one day soon though
[02:55] <valorie> little buggers are expensive
[02:55] <nixternal> the laptop was really useful for packaging, when i go to loco dev events and what not. right now, i could probably do some minor packaging, but no way could i do anything that takes more than a couple of minutes to package
[02:56] <nixternal> i am doing a little more work right now that should hopefully put a little laptop cash in my pocket to help out. with donations and money i have put aside for a new lappy, i am at about $400. $400 can get you a lappy, but nothing dev worthy to be honest
[02:57] <apachelogger> nixternal: depends on the defintion of worthy
[02:57] <apachelogger> I once had a very nice businessy laptop for 450 EUR
[02:57] <apachelogger> which of course is like 3600 USD, but still
[02:57] <valorie> lol
[02:58] <nixternal> the lappy i had was a quad core with 4gb of memory. it wasn't super expensive at the time, actually it was only like $700, but you can't get that type of power for $700 unless you get lucky. which i have my eye on a couple of dell outlet computers right around that price point
[02:58] <nixternal> apachelogger: haha, so true
[02:58] <apachelogger> nixternal: also you should find yourself a sponsor
[02:58] <nixternal> the lappy i am using now only cost me $350 in 2008
[02:58] <nixternal> it is a celeron m, which is ok for use, but not development type stuff the least bit
[02:58] <valorie> I had a dell refurb which I LOVED
[02:58] <valorie> until the hinge broke, which broke the heat sink
[02:59] <valorie> :(
[02:59] <nixternal> yeah, i had a dell latitude d830 refurb that was amazing, but it was totalled in a tornado last year :/
[02:59] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, you have a desktop... if you do a build just icecc it ;)
[02:59] <nixternal> i have lappy bad luck it seems
[02:59] <valorie> it was out of warranty, so .... dead
[02:59]  * apachelogger had his n900 in the icecream cluster the other day
[02:59] <apachelogger> suprisingly enough it got one or two jobs ^^
[02:59] <nixternal> apachelogger: that desktop is running windows 7, and it isn't mine, it is a loaner for doing some other work on
[02:59] <nixternal> i could run from a live cd, but unless you have done that recently, let me fill you in. it sucks!
[03:00] <apachelogger> ScottK: reminds me, I need to fiddle with some arm box setup, don't I?
[03:00] <valorie> nixternal: vm!
[03:00] <apachelogger> nixternal: the trick is to run it from a flash medium :P
[03:00] <apachelogger> that is about the experience you get with kubuntu mobile on the n900 right now :)
[03:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.  You need to make the ice creaming magic work on the .200 box so I can use it's large external hard drive to get kde rebuilds going.
[03:01] <nixternal> at least i had a good burger and beer tonight :)
[03:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: rebuilds == clean trunk builds or something else?
[03:01] <nixternal> apachelogger: i do run from flash now. i haven't had an actual cdr disk in who knows how long
[03:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: Clean trunk builds.
[03:02] <apachelogger> hm, icecream should be easy though
[03:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: I'll try to get to it tomorrow, best poke me around 16 UTC though
[03:02] <apachelogger> that is well before I would leave for restocking on booze  ^^
[03:02] <apachelogger> nixternal: and you don't like it?
[03:02] <apachelogger> get a fast flash
[03:03] <apachelogger> microsd >= class 4 seems pretty fine
[03:03] <nixternal> or i could just always give up on open source, seems it has given up on me damnit. right now consulting wise, open source/linux isn't hitting. i am doing windows crap, and to be honest, i don't know what i am doing, but i am getting paid for that :)
[03:03] <apachelogger> especially with loads of mem since everything will be in cache anyway
[03:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.  Please ping me when it's done and maybe I'll be motivated.  It's going to be a bit of a PITA to set up again now that everything's moved to git.
[03:04] <ScottK> nixternal: My main laptop has a 5400 RPM hard drive.  Live CD from a USB stick is actually faster.
[03:04] <apachelogger> nixternal: maybe you are not marketing properly?
[03:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: just use the neon recipies?
[03:05]  * apachelogger thinks the neon ppa should just be armelified -.-
[03:05] <ScottK> No.  I'm using the stuff to hook into CDash.
[03:05] <ScottK> Neon is all LPified crap anyway.
[03:05] <apachelogger> nah
[03:05] <apachelogger> you can build recipies without LP
[03:05] <ScottK> The CDash scripts are fine, I just need to update them.
[03:05] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[03:06] <apachelogger> doing cdash would be tricky though :/
[03:06] <ScottK> Probably I procrastinated long enough someone already did it anyway.
[03:06] <apachelogger> doable with changes to pkg-kde-tools or whatever thye are using....
[03:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: arm cdash?
[03:06] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:06] <apachelogger> I did not see any reports
[03:07] <apachelogger> quite surprising actually
[03:07] <ScottK> It's been a while since I had it working.
[03:07] <apachelogger> apparently all other distributions are busy having intercourse with their precious desktops
[03:07] <apachelogger> while the mobile market gets eaten by shitty android and propietary iOS
[03:08] <apachelogger> makes one wonder if the companies behind the big linux distros actually are living in the *now*
[03:08] <apachelogger> oh wellz
[03:08]  * apachelogger takes a sip of his wine and watches some golden girls
[03:09] <nigelb> heh
[03:10] <nixternal> apachelogger: I have marketed myself quite well. last  year i did some fairly large scale linux/oss stuff, especially with debian and quite a bit with ubuntu. but right now it is really dead here
[03:10] <apachelogger> odd enough
[03:11] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, better brush up on your skillz in legacy os stuff then :)
[03:11] <nixternal> i did a debian cluster, and i swear i never ever want to do any cluster shit ever again in my life
[03:11] <apachelogger> nothing wrong with an honest day's pay for an honest day's work
[03:11] <nixternal> apachelogger: it is windows, all you need to know how to do is right click :)
[03:11] <nigelb> hrm, is this the situation with US of A?
[03:11]  * apachelogger wonders where he got that one from
[03:12] <nigelb> because I find people poaching me a bit.
[03:12] <apachelogger> nixternal: as someone who did loads of ms windows server crap in the past years, that is not how you do things business efficient :P
[03:12] <nixternal> i swear, this job here, is WAMP, and I never did that before, so I just insalled shit and right clicked. And wouldn't you know it, in an hour I had a fully functional WAMP instance up and running :)
[03:13] <apachelogger> hmm WAMP :D
[03:13] <apachelogger> godo memories :)
[03:13] <apachelogger> nixternal: but yeah, the right click paradigm usually solves all problems
[03:13] <apachelogger> too bad linux doesnt implement it :S
[03:14] <nixternal> i am better in the shell than i am a gui any day of the week. my dev setup, i swear i could easily get away with just something like awesome or xmonad. but those kind of suck when you try to do any kde stuff
[03:14] <apachelogger> mhh shell
[03:15] <apachelogger> powershell is cool
[03:15] <nixternal> i need to get myself more in to c++. i feel like a noob now in c++, since a lot of my work has been python and/or java
[03:15] <apachelogger> it is like bash, just that it craps out when you do something wrong
[03:15] <apachelogger> and it has very weird character escaping
[03:15] <apachelogger> like srsly weird
[03:16]  * apachelogger did not figure out how to do cmake with a couple of args without making powershell fall over some odd " or something
[03:16] <nixternal> i use zsh anyways, you have to escape everything :)  but it is so much better than bash
[03:16] <apachelogger> nixternal: JontheEchidna can help you with that
[03:16] <apachelogger> I think he is my personal c++ guru
[03:16] <nixternal> hehe
[03:17] <apachelogger> not that I needed once, since I am now doing all shit in brainfuck, but if I'd need one he would be the first person I'd ask
[03:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna is actually like a C developer doing C++, sorta scary but really awesome :D
[03:19] <nixternal> actually, i need to start doing more qt stuff, that is where i have really fell apart. typical c++ stuff is still kind of easy, as I have been trying to keep fresh with it doing project euler in c++
[03:19] <nixternal> and trying to create algorithms to make my euler functions faster
[03:19] <apachelogger> nixternal:  Qt is all javascript these days ^^
[03:20] <apachelogger> unless you are mee and constantly get a sickish feeling from javscript ending up implementing all sorts of stuff in c++ and then providing it to qml ^^
[03:20] <nixternal> yeah, which i need to play with a bit more. writing javascript via google searches is easy :)
[03:22] <Daskreech> !nixternal
[03:22] <Daskreech> awww :(
[03:23] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, I usually just write c++ without types
[03:23] <apachelogger> works most of the time
[03:23] <apachelogger> if it does not google helps
[03:23] <apachelogger> actually
[03:24] <nixternal> hehe, i know what you mean
[03:24] <nixternal> !winternal
[03:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we might want to add some QMLish guidelines to the coding style
[03:24] <nixternal> nice, they finally pulled that shit out of there
[03:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: like if you are connecting to signal in QML it is more readable if you put the { on the same line as the onSignal: 
[03:25] <nixternal> speaking of which, whatever happened to hobbsee? I miss her, she was my partner in crime way back in the day
[03:25] <apachelogger> though technically it is a function 
[03:25] <valorie> I still see her in #linuxchix
[03:25] <nixternal> somehow, at a uds, her and i were always slated to work together telling the rooms to stop talking and get ready to head out
[03:26] <valorie> didn't know she was an ubuntero
[03:26] <apachelogger> nixternal: I think she eventually left for ubuntu and then got lost completely :/
[03:26] <Daskreech> WAMP? Windows, All Microsoft PropietaryCrap ?
[03:26] <apachelogger> Daskreech: man, I love you
[03:27] <apachelogger> valorie: she was with kubuntu like long long ago
[03:27] <apachelogger> I think she left about the same time I joned, must have been 2006ish or 2007ish I suppose
[03:27] <nixternal> valorie: back in the day, it was Riddell, hobbsee, myself, tonio, imbrandon, jjesse, and a couple of others that did kubuntu everything. talk about small, #kubuntu didn't even have 100 people in it, and this channel was only like 25 to 40 strong
[03:27] <valorie> interesting!
[03:27] <Daskreech> Yeah I remember when Hobbsee came in
[03:28] <Daskreech> Kinda whirlwind
[03:28] <nixternal> yeah, Daskreech was here back then, but all he did was annoy everyone, kind of like what he does today :p
[03:28] <valorie> I think she is getting married -- don't trust me on that
[03:28] <valorie> maco will know
[03:28] <nixternal> wtf? for real?
[03:28] <valorie> my gossip foo is rather weak
[03:28] <nixternal> is she even 21 yet?
[03:28] <Daskreech> !nixternal darn it stupid bot
[03:29] <Daskreech> :)
[03:29] <nixternal> oh, she is in #ubuntu-devel
[03:29]  * nixternal messages
[03:29] <Daskreech> nixternal: tell her that annoying Daskreech says hi too! :)
[03:29] <apachelogger> valorie: oh, yours too
[03:29] <nixternal> 22:29:38 >>> Hobbsee is away: I'm not here at the moment.
[03:30]  * apachelogger forgets gossip half the way through getting told
[03:30] <apachelogger> all existance of it gets erased after like 12 hours
[03:30] <nixternal> heh, i wonder if i know who she is marrying. she and another dev around here were hot to trot
[03:30]  * nixternal sees if he is online
[03:30] <apachelogger> hence I am quick to spread gossip ^^
[03:30] <nixternal> no i am not seeing, as i forgot wth his nick was
[03:31] <nixternal> i know his name
[03:31] <nixternal> ahha, he is online
[03:31] <apachelogger> google + launchpad can do the trick then ^^
[03:31] <valorie> lol: http://hobbsee.com/
[03:31] <apachelogger> one day Daskreech and I are getting married surely
[03:31] <nixternal> google + 'launchpads biggest hater & the first lp open source contributor' :p
[03:32] <nixternal> valorie: her myspace page was the win!
[03:32] <nixternal> find that, though don't stare long if you have seisures
[03:32] <Daskreech> valorie: ha ha :)
[03:32] <valorie> hahaa
[03:32] <Daskreech> apachelogger: wait what? Were we not married already?
[03:32] <valorie> i think I still have a myspace page
[03:32] <Daskreech> I remember the Pink Bunny pastor
[03:32] <apachelogger> oh
[03:32] <apachelogger> eh
[03:33] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[03:33] <Daskreech> ha ha :)
[03:33] <apachelogger> Daskreech: sweetie, I am drunk
[03:33] <nixternal> hobbsee is the inventor of the pink unicorn, and if you don't believe me, her myspace page was the kubuntu ping unicorn from 2005
[03:33] <nixternal> with a bunch of flashy stuff
[03:33]  * Daskreech goes back to Golden Girls
[03:33] <apachelogger> ah
[03:33]  * apachelogger does the same
[03:34] <nixternal> damn, i missed oz, and now it is on at 1am. i have to be up at like 6am, so there is no way i am going to watch it tonight
[03:34] <apachelogger> nixternal: oz?
[03:36] <Daskreech> apachelogger: He's running WIndows so he likes the Wonderful Wizard
[03:36] <apachelogger> well
[03:37] <nixternal> a show from the late 90s early 2000s about Ozwald Correctional Center. a nice violent prison show on HBO :)
[03:37] <apachelogger> as long as it is the 1938 (or was it 9?) motion picture
[03:37] <apachelogger> simply adorable
[03:37] <valorie> Judy Garland as a 12 year-old
[03:37] <valorie> lol
[03:38] <nixternal> they didn't have cgi back then, yet it looked better than avatar if you ask me
[03:38] <Daskreech> Sort of like  Real World peeps as people with a functioning brain
[03:38] <Daskreech> Almost enough chops to pull it off
[03:39] <nixternal> apachelogger: what's happening with jersey shore? i know you watch that!
[03:39] <apachelogger> :O
[03:39] <apachelogger> how do you know that?
[03:39] <nixternal> apachelogger is the new situation
[03:39] <nixternal> do you watch it for real?
[03:40] <apachelogger> don't tell anyone though
[03:40] <nixternal> my daughter got me watching it :/
[03:40] <Daskreech> nixternal: feel like going on a rant?
[03:40] <nixternal> nope, i have had some beer tonight, i am in a happy mood :)
[03:40] <Daskreech> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644930
[03:41] <apachelogger> nixternal: I am an artist and start drinking at 3pm these days
[03:41] <nixternal> Daskreech: i feel his pain actually in regards to that bug
[03:41] <yofel> Daskreech: wasn't that a feature? Giving you more space on your desktop for actual use?
[03:41] <Daskreech> nixternal: I just like comment #6
[03:42] <Daskreech> yofel: removing resizing of windows except for key commands ( that he has wrong )?
[03:43] <yofel> aah, only went by the title
[03:43] <nixternal> ok, time for me to go to bed. have to get up early and race tomorrow
[03:45] <Daskreech> nixternal: Vroom Vroom
[03:45] <Daskreech> or howevre you make bicycle sounds
[03:45] <ScottK> So kirkland is fixing his command line colorization stuff so our debconf templates don't have to be aubergine.
[03:45] <ScottK> We'll need to pick a color.
[03:54] <ScottK> nixternal: Can you fire up the powerpc box?
[04:42] <c2tarun> I was reading documentation of Qt and it seems to have zillions of classes. Dont know about others but frankly its impossible for me to go through all of them, Can anyone please help me where to start? I asked on #KDE but nobody replied :(
[04:46] <Daskreech> c2tarun: did you try #qt ?
[04:47] <c2tarun> Daskreech: I just tried there and got reply :) thanks
[04:47] <Daskreech> :D
[06:41] <c2tarun> kdeedu failed to build from source on armel and powerpc, Error due to some C++ declarations, here is the complete buildlog https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/4:4.6.1a-0ubuntu2/+buildjob/2326220/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.kdeedu_4%3A4.6.1a-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz can anyone please take a look
[06:41]  * c2tarun sorry, by mistake I posted this on kubuntu first. :/
[06:52] <droidslayer> Ok thats weird, my browser crashed
[06:53] <droidslayer> c2tarun: can you pastebin the last few lines where it fails?
[06:53] <c2tarun> droidslayer: sure, just gimme a second
[06:54] <c2tarun> droidslayer: http://paste.kde.org/7631/
[06:56] <c2tarun> droidslayer: on powerpc it has some unmet dependency, I mean it requires python-scour but I think its not included in Build-Depends
[06:56]  * c2tarun dont know how to create a architecture specific patch
[06:57] <droidslayer> Me neither ... intact I've never heard of such a thing
[06:57] <c2tarun> sorry broken package, http://paste.kde.org/7632/
[06:57] <c2tarun> its broken pacakge for powerpc.
[06:58] <droidslayer> Stupid gprs
[06:58] <droidslayer> Taking eons to load a page
[06:59] <droidslayer> The fact that I am inside the metro does not help
[07:00] <c2tarun> oh :)
[07:00] <droidslayer> Line 6 of that paste looks weird
[07:02] <c2tarun> yup, error is genuine, but how come this package built succesfully on i386 and amd64?
[07:02] <droidslayer> c2tarun: no idea... looks like some weird thing happening in Qt and opengl
[07:02] <droidslayer> Ah
[07:03] <droidslayer> c2tarun: ARM?
[07:03] <c2tarun> what is ARM?
[07:03] <droidslayer> Yeah...
[07:04] <droidslayer> c2tarun: this ftbfs is on Armel right?
[07:04] <c2tarun> yup, first pastebin is for armel and second is for powerpc
[07:05] <droidslayer> ARM does not have floating point data types iirc
[07:05] <droidslayer> So they are typedef'd to double
[07:05] <c2tarun> yup first to some structure I guess and then for double.
[07:05] <droidslayer> c2tarun: talk to ScottK when he is around
[07:06] <c2tarun> droidslayer:  ok :)
[07:06] <droidslayer> I've never dealt with ARM builder's
[07:14] <c2tarun> ScottK: ping
[07:20] <nigelb> c2tarun: Its probably very late for him, catch him in the evening.
[07:21] <c2tarun> nigelb: what should I do then?
[07:21] <nigelb> c2tarun: like I said, catch him in the evening.
[07:21] <nigelb> You're in India right?
[07:21] <c2tarun> nigelb: yup
[07:22] <nigelb> Yeah, so like post 7 pm would be a good idea.
[07:22] <c2tarun> what do you mean by post 7 pm, is there any way of deferred posting?
[07:24] <yofel> well, since he's always in the channel he'll answer you when he gets online
[07:25] <c2tarun> ok :) I'll wait, np
[07:35] <valorie> it is very late even for ScottK
[07:36] <valorie> is it Holi for you this weekend, c2tarun?
[07:38]  * Hobbsee waves
[07:39]  * Hobbsee distributes hugs, and irn bru
[07:39] <c2tarun> valorie: yup :)
[07:40] <Nightrose> it's a Hobbsee!!!
[07:40] <Nightrose> (everyone hide)
[07:40] <Hobbsee> it is!
[07:40] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:40]  * Hobbsee waves the Long Pointy Stick of Doom!!!! ™ around
[07:40] <Nightrose> see! i knew hiding was a good idea
[07:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:42] <valorie> :-)
[07:55] <nigelb> oh, right
[07:55] <nigelb> the long stick of doom always follows Hobbsee 
[07:58] <Hobbsee> indeed
[08:39] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: !!!!!
[08:39]  * Daskreech hugs :)
[08:39] <Hobbsee> hey Daskreech!  :)
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[08:39] <Daskreech> How are you?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> pretty good :)
[08:40] <Hobbsee> working for a web hosting company, and got married last year
[08:40] <Hobbsee> so nice not having to run windows, too
[08:40] <Daskreech> Ha ha :)
[08:40] <Daskreech> of course it is :)
[08:40] <Daskreech> how's both of those endeavours going?
[08:40] <Hobbsee> we were amused
[08:40] <Hobbsee> good :)
[08:40] <Daskreech> Still down south?
[08:40] <Hobbsee> microsoft was trying to get us to use their multi-management stuff, on our linux servers
[08:40] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:41] <Hobbsee> the line the boss gave them was priceless, and made the office burst out laughing
[08:41] <Daskreech> Yeah they are getting quite crafty at explaining to people why you should pay them to run Linux
[08:42] <Daskreech> I like how they are getting the hardware phone makers to pay them for each copy of Android they sell
[08:42] <Daskreech> what was the line?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> "uh, i don't think that even you can convince a bunch of linux lovers to use a windows tool to manage their linux servers"
[08:42] <nigelb> Hobbsee: haha
[08:43] <Daskreech> Aww didn't getthem to subsidise it up front in cash? :)
[08:44] <Daskreech> yeah a few years ago it occurred to me that I didn't really care what Microsoft did anymore. It just didn't affect me
[08:44] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:45] <Daskreech> it's interesting once you get there since sales pitches just sound amusing after that
[08:45] <Daskreech> People selling me Sharepoint and Outlook etc
[08:46] <Daskreech> ummm I don't think you can convince a linux lover to take up pain willingly
[08:46] <nigelb> Daskreech: Isn't M$ offering SharePoint free nowadays?
[08:46] <Daskreech> If they aren't subsidising it with Cash upfront I don't care :)
[08:46] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: What's your job?
[08:47] <nigelb> haha
[08:47] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: tech support @ an australian web hosting company, Anchor Systems
[08:47] <Hobbsee> it's pretty cool :)
[08:47] <Daskreech> really?
[08:47] <Daskreech>  tech support?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:48] <Daskreech> Is this user facing tech support?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> not phone monkey shit, though
[08:48]  * nigelb checks if he works with Anchor Systems.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:48]  * Hobbsee likes actually fixing people's problems
[08:48] <nigelb> feels like bug fixing? :)
[08:49] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: Oh me too. People can be frustratingly good at hiding the problem if they think they are at fault or are just flat out ignorant though
[08:49] <Daskreech> My internet doesn't work
[08:49] <Hobbsee> nigelb: it does, rather
[08:49] <Daskreech> ok let me see if i can assist you with that
[08:49] <Daskreech> (Fast Forward 15 minutes)
[08:49] <nigelb> Hobbsee: wow, lovely website :)
[08:49] <Daskreech> Oh you mean your Monitor is dead
[08:50] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: fortunately, we don't have many of those.  People regard us as rockstars, and do what we tell them.  And we don't do desktop support, beyond helping people set up their email clients 
[08:50] <Daskreech> Whatever I just want to get on the internet can you fix my money tar over the phone?
[08:50] <Hobbsee> nigelb: heh :)
[08:50] <Hobbsee> nigelb: it's not too bad
[08:50] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: yeah, we refer them to other people for that.  same with content changes
[08:50] <nigelb> Hobbsee: its /very/ attractive
[08:50] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: Oh yeah Great job then :)
[08:50] <nigelb> Hobbsee: oh, so you get to fix server stuff?
[08:50] <nigelb> and that's it?
[08:50] <Hobbsee> nigelb: cheers.  i'll pass that on
[08:50] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: Of course it's just sometimes frustrating to get there when people keep callin the mouse the remote and the keyboard the computer
[08:51] <Hobbsee> nigelb: add accounts, do billing, fix stuff, change stuff on servers, sure.
[08:51] <Daskreech> Umm what? The computer is sticking?
[08:51] <Hobbsee> there's no real "you can't do this on that server", fortunately
[08:51] <Hobbsee> if you know how to do something, they're happy for you to do it
[08:51] <Hobbsee> and the people are great
[08:51] <nigelb> Hobbsee: Sounds like a fun job :)
[08:51] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: yeah, we don't hvae people that silly
[08:52] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: although, sometimes when having to explain DNS...lets just say i've got good analogies
[08:53] <nigelb> oh wow, ssh access for basic plans too
[08:53] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: http://hobbsee.com :)
[08:53] <Hobbsee> nigelb: of course
[08:53] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: yeah, i de-blogged
[08:54] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: Ok I have someone who will move to Ausie if they can work there :)
[08:54] <Daskreech> awww how come?
[08:54] <Hobbsee> wasn't really relevant to what i was doing?
[08:54] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: where are they now?
[08:54] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: About 30 minutes from me :)
[08:55] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: you're in the US, aren't you?  We're looking to hire a linux person from that sort of timezone
[08:55] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: Jamaica
[08:55] <Daskreech> in what capacity?
[08:55] <Hobbsee> wow, didn't know that
[08:56] <Hobbsee> second one on http://www.anchor.com.au/about-us/jobs/
[08:56] <Hobbsee> although that doesn't say as much about remote as it used to say
[08:57] <nigelb> I fight for the users --> OMG
[08:57]  * Daskreech sees Windows system and goes to wash himself off
[08:57] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: yeah, some users want it
[08:58]  * Hobbsee has learned that she breaks windows stuff
[08:58] <Daskreech> Nice comment for item two :)
[09:03] <valorie> Hobbsee: I just sent that page to my son thomas
[09:03] <valorie> I would so like him to get out of his dead-end job and do linux professionally
[09:03] <Hobbsee> valorie: awesome!
[09:03] <valorie> he's the one who got me on linux originally
[09:04] <valorie> might be right up his alley
[09:04] <Hobbsee> indeed
[09:04] <valorie> so if they ask you about Thomas Zimmerman, he's the one
[09:05] <valorie> I've sent very few job notices his way
[09:05] <valorie> I hope he applies
[09:05]  * Hobbsee nods
[09:07]  * Daskreech sends off mail as well
[09:10] <nigelb> I'll be helpful and recommend them to clients.
[09:12] <Hobbsee> \o/
[09:12] <Hobbsee> I know we're doing some remote management stuff as required too
[09:12] <Hobbsee>  </selling hat>
[09:17] <nigelb> Hobbsee: There is another motive.  I'm done dealing with Plesk and what-not-control-app.
[09:17] <Hobbsee> nigelb: you poor guy.  I have to deal with Cpanel occasionally, and it makes my eyes bleed
[09:17] <Hobbsee> not plesk, so much
[09:18] <nigelb> Hobbsee: the worst part is deployment.  Every time I do a code change, I had to upload each file, instead now I tar.gz and upload with a bash script, but to extract I have to use cpanel .
[09:18] <Hobbsee> nigelb: nasty!
[09:18]  * Daskreech slants Hobbsee's hat to the side
[09:18] <nigelb> Yeah :|
[09:19]  * Hobbsee likes being able to ssh into everything, and do everything from there
[09:19] <nigelb> Very few providers actually give ssh access.
[09:19] <Hobbsee> excluding the winboxen, of course
[09:19] <Hobbsee> that's true
[09:19]  * nigelb <3 his vps
[09:19] <Hobbsee> ditto
[09:22] <Daskreech> Windows is such a ridiculous setup most of the time I wonder how any actual work gets done
[09:22] <Hobbsee> so do i...
[09:22] <Hobbsee> especially when someone wants a 301 redirect in iis
[09:43] <Riddell> gosh, it's Hobbsee 
[09:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: gasp!
[09:44]  * Hobbsee does live, in some forms
[09:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: was thinking of you guys on St Patrick's day.  Still drinking Irn Bru?
[09:46] <Riddell> you were?  are you sure you haven't got your countries mixed up
[09:46] <Hobbsee> I know iv'e got my countries mixed up
[09:47] <Hobbsee> but the office was ordering beer of differnt types, which reminded me of your insistence of how Irn Bru was good, and how nothing else should be drunk :)
[09:47] <Riddell> I've been banned from drinking irn bru since I got back from india, until my stomach can handle it again
[09:47] <Hobbsee> awww, shame!
[09:51] <Riddell> so now I'm having curry for breakfast instead
[09:52] <Hobbsee> ...
[09:52] <Hobbsee> tha tworks
[09:52] <Hobbsee> although i'm surprised your stomach allows that
[09:55] <Riddell> worked fine in India, it's only this bland European food that makes my stomach bad
[09:56] <Nightrose> Riddell: still bad? :(
[09:58] <Riddell> Nightrose: not so good this morning
[09:58] <Nightrose> meh
[11:26] <Riddell> debfx: using your cmake change I get lots of these messages when running cmake to compile amarok  "DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH is not a supported variable name at /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture line 214.
[11:26] <Riddell> "
[11:27] <Riddell> Modules/Platform/UnixMultiarch.cmake  is set to 'set(CMAKE_ARCH_TRIPLET  CACHE STRING "" FORCE)'
[11:27] <Riddell> which is missing the curcial bit
[11:28] <Riddell> oh I know
[11:28] <Riddell> I haven't upgraded my local system to multiarch
[11:29] <Riddell> curious e-mail du jour  http://paste.kde.org/7635/  tempted to tell him to get a job which helps the economy
[11:29] <debfx> Riddell: it's not supposed to call dpkg-architecture at runtime
[11:30] <debfx> do oyu still have the EXECUTE_PROCESS() line in UnixPaths.cmake?
[11:34] <Riddell> debfx: let me upgrade my system and retry
[11:34] <Riddell> multiarch won't work on a system without multiarch
[11:35] <debfx> well it's not supposed to throw errors on non-multiarch systems
[11:42] <Riddell> debfx: yes I do still have that in UnixPaths.cmake, I'll fix that too
[11:44] <debfx> doh, cmake-data is arch:all
[11:46] <Riddell> doh
[11:47] <debfx> isn't there an interface to query the arch triplet besides dpkg-architecture?
[11:47] <Riddell> I don't believe so
[11:59] <debfx> we could hack around it by doing dh_install -pcmake-data -XModules/Platform/UnixPaths.cmake
[12:00] <Riddell> yep
[12:49] <larsivi> hai - I've seen that 11.04 should provide improved desktop responsiveness, but if anything, it seems much worse - anyone here experienced the same? The load is negligable, and an i7 should not have notable problems with running a desktop
[13:09] <Riddell> debfx: actually /usr/share needs to be sharable between architectures
[13:10] <Riddell> so it can't just be put into the other package
[13:14] <HorusHorrendus> The amarok-utils Package for Ubuntu 10.04 (with http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu enabled) has too many Dependencies
[13:15] <Riddell> HorusHorrendus: how do you mean too many?
[13:15] <Riddell> larsivi: my instinct says blame X and try it with compositing disabled
[13:15] <HorusHorrendus> e.g. akonadi
[13:16] <Riddell> HorusHorrendus: what's the problem?
[13:16] <HorusHorrendus> http://paste.kde.org/7641/
[13:16] <HorusHorrendus> that I want to install the amarok-utils package on my server and (in my opinion) many of the packages it wants to install are not needed for the amarok-utils
[13:16] <Riddell> HorusHorrendus: I don't see a problem there
[13:17] <HorusHorrendus> kdepimlibs for amarok-utils?
[13:17] <Riddell> alas opinions count for little when it comes to package dependencies
[13:18] <HorusHorrendus> you mean your opinion or mine? ;)
[13:18] <HorusHorrendus> the amarok-utils are seperate because they (should) depend on much less then amarok itself
[13:21] <Riddell> you're right
[13:22] <HorusHorrendus> how can I see where a package would come from ... from which archive
[13:22] <Riddell> apt-cache policy <package>
[13:22] <HorusHorrendus> ahh cool, thx ... yeah the newest one (for 10.04 Server) is in the kubuntu backports that I enabled
[13:23] <HorusHorrendus> ahh sorry
[13:23] <HorusHorrendus> not kubuntu backports
[13:23] <HorusHorrendus> lucid-backports
[13:24] <HorusHorrendus> i just dont find the repo page for them ... ;)
[13:24] <Riddell> oh that's ancient, it depends on kdebase-runtime et al
[13:25] <Riddell> the version in kubuntu-ppa/beta doesn't
[13:25] <Riddell> so problem solved
[13:25] <Riddell> (except not for lucid but that's old versions for you)
[13:25] <HorusHorrendus> hehe ;)
[13:26] <HorusHorrendus> well not so ancient ... it is 2.4.0 (I mean amarok, lucid of course, but good for the server) ;)
[13:26] <HorusHorrendus> but I will add the beta ppa ... should be ok for the utils ;)
[14:36] <larsivi> Riddell: thanks, the effect was immediate and very very notable - my desktop is responsive once again
[14:36] <larsivi> Riddell: could this be a driver issue? fglrx is still not installable
[14:41] <apachelogger> larsivi: most definitely
[14:42] <apachelogger> the free ati driver is all sorts of crap it would appear
[14:42] <yofel> I somehow tend to blame mesa for that. Natty is fine with compositing on my nvidia systems, but on my eeePC it went from slow to me watching windows move in slow motion
[14:45] <apachelogger> maybe it is a feature *shrug*
[15:56] <ScottK> c2tarun: What's the question?
[15:56] <c2tarun> ScottK: hi :) kdeedu failed to build from source on armel and powerpc arch. Can you help?
[15:57] <ScottK> Let me have a quick look.
[15:58] <c2tarun> sure
[15:59] <ScottK> The powerpc issue is an effect of python-scour being uninstallable on powerpc.  I don't know the specifics, but it's a known issue that's being worked.  Once that's fixed, we can retry it.
[16:00] <c2tarun> ScottK: what about armel one?
[16:01] <ScottK> For armel, it looks like kalgebra is making direct gl calls and we don't use gl on armel, we use gles.
[16:02] <ScottK> That's related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+bug/707794
[16:14] <c2tarun> ScottK: I am not sure how to make architecture specific patch, can you please help me with that?
[16:16] <ScottK> c2tarun: It needs someone who understands how to port GL to GLES to do this work.  The ubuntu-arm team is working on these issues, so I would suggest leave it for them.  On the off chance you manage to get a working patch, yes, I can help you figure out how to apply it only on armel.
[16:17] <c2tarun> ScottK: yeah how?
[16:17] <ScottK> Do you have a proposed patch?
[16:17] <ScottK> If you do, I'll test build it on armel and then after we know it works, we can work on making it armel only.
[16:20] <c2tarun> ScottK: hmm.... better I should leave it for ubuntu-arm team ;)
[16:20] <ScottK> I think that's a good decision.
[16:23] <c2tarun> thanks ScottK :)
[16:40] <skfin> Hmm... sabdfl is a ubuntu member, someone actually reviewed him?
[16:40] <sabdfl> every damn day ;-)
[16:40] <skfin> :)
[16:41] <sabdfl> how are things in kde central?
[16:43] <skfin> Seems quiet.
[16:43] <skfin> Or did I lose my connection?
[16:44] <skfin> No! My uptimes :(
[16:46] <nigelb> skfin|Disconnect: It is quiet ;)
[16:46] <skfin|Disconnect> Ah, ok.
[16:47] <skfin|Disconnect> Still. I guess my irssi kind of froze
[16:47] <skfin|Disconnect> skfin: Hey, you, stop playing.
[16:47] <ScottK> sabdfl: Pretty good.  I think our major concern at the moment is getting Qt/KDE stuff to use GLES instead of GL on arm.
[16:47] <ScottK> And if that's the biggest problem we have, we're doing pretty well.
[16:50] <skfin> Okay, seems that this is working again?
[16:57] <debfx> Riddell: I give up, we should just make cmake depend on dpkg-dev
[17:04] <Riddell> debfx: yeah, probably the easiest way, thanks for trying
[17:04] <Riddell> anyone tested amarok yet?
[17:07] <debfx> Riddell: this is what I currently have: http://paste.kde.org/7674/
[17:13] <Riddell> debfx: looking good
[17:14] <Riddell> bug 738262
[17:17] <eliasp> hi
[17:17] <Riddell> hi eliasp 
[17:18] <eliasp> i'm just trying to get this patch applied to nepomuk: http://tinyurl.com/5r3empc
[17:18] <eliasp> but I can't find the correct debian package which contains nepomukserver's sources
[17:18] <shadeslayer> same question as in #nepomuk-kde ?
[17:18] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:18] <eliasp> shadeslayer: yes! :)
[17:18]  * shadeslayer looks
[17:19] <shadeslayer> eliasp: you need to rewrite the patch
[17:19] <shadeslayer> since the code has changed since that patch was written
[17:19] <eliasp> ouch, ok
[17:20] <eliasp> if i'd find the package containing the sources, that'd be a 1st step to doing this :)
[17:20] <shadeslayer> you could just clone the current sources from anongit :)
[17:20] <eliasp> but debian's/ubuntu's package naming/splitting confuses me a lot.. i'm used to packages which are just named like the upstream ones in my daily-used distro :)
[17:21] <ScottK> eliasp: If you know the filename you are changing you can use packages.ubuntu.com to look up what package has that file.
[17:21] <eliasp> shadeslayer: do you know whether the fix provided by K. Freitag is already in nepomuk's git?
[17:21] <shadeslayer> nope ....
[17:22] <eliasp> ScottK: i used apt-file, but it lead me to a wrong package (kdebase-runtime)
[17:22] <ScottK> Try p.u.c then.
[17:22] <sabdfl> ScottK: will be nice to see the performance on ARM
[17:22] <sabdfl> lots of interesting chips in the pipeline on that front
[17:23] <ScottK> Yep.
[17:23] <Riddell> eliasp: it's probably soprano, although not the version we have in the archive
[17:24] <eliasp> Riddell: hmm, ok... looking at soprano... i'm actually using the ppa to have KDE 4.6.1
[17:25] <eliasp> ScottK: p.u.c tells me the same as apt-file... kdebase-runtime
[17:25] <Riddell> hmm, we're behind on our soprano versions
[17:26] <eliasp> hmm, nothing nepomukserver related in soprano... (as expected, as this wouldn't make sense to me)
[17:28] <Riddell> kdebase-runtime does have ./nepomuk/services/backupsync/service/dbusoperators.cpp
[17:29] <eliasp> Riddell: ah, right... i'm probably just looking for the wrong files because there might have been changes in nepomuk itself as shadeslayer wrote
[17:29] <eliasp> just wondering, as the posting by Klaas Freitag on the Kraft mailinglist is just 5 days old
[17:31] <Riddell> eliasp: curious indeed
[17:32] <eliasp> Riddell: you're talking about ./nepomuk/services/backupsync/service/dbusoperators.cpp while the patch is for server/src/nepomuk/dbusoperators.cpp
[17:33] <eliasp> let's see whether this makes more sense compared to the current git of nepomuk
[17:36] <eliasp> totally weird... even git doesn't have such a file... 
[17:38] <eliasp> shadeslayer: do you know where K. Freitag might have got this patch from? I don't thin he wrote it on his own....
[17:38] <Riddell> you're probably best asking him
[17:38] <eliasp> yep, might be :)
[17:39] <Riddell> debfx: cmake uploaded, thanks for the fix
[17:39] <Riddell> I also filed a bug in debian
[17:48] <shadeslayer> no idea ....
[17:48] <shadeslayer> eliasp: best way to contact him is via mail
[17:49] <eliasp> shadeslayer: yep, will do that now... couldn't find him in any of the OpenSuSE channels
[17:49] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[17:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: around?
[17:56] <apachelogger> no
[17:57] <ScottK> sabdfl: http://teom.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/running-kde-sc-on-the-next-big-thing/ <--- Running Kubuntu armel packages.
[17:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how can i broadcast a particular service ( say some random server which offers some added functionality to another app ) onto a network, say Bluetooth or WiFi 
[17:58] <shadeslayer> Avahi?
[18:00] <apachelogger> well, open a port :P
[18:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if you mean making it easily discoverable avahi is your friend though
[18:00] <shadeslayer> yes .. but suppose my client scans for this service
[18:00] <shadeslayer> so that i don't want to put in a static ip
[18:01] <shadeslayer> yeah .. avahi looks the best atm ... looking at  /usr/share/doc/avahi-daemon/examples/ now
[18:01] <apachelogger> you don't need a static ip ... send a network broadcast msg, then poke the port assigned to the service
[18:02] <shadeslayer> okay
[18:02]  * shadeslayer looks at avahi docs
[18:02] <apachelogger>  avahi surly is easiest
[18:02] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: avahi is surely cross platform right?
[18:03] <apachelogger> I don't think so
[18:04] <shadeslayer> :(
[18:04] <apachelogger> see
[18:04] <apachelogger> the lennart was involved in it
[18:04] <apachelogger> and the lennart does not care much for cross platformness
[18:04] <apachelogger> so
[18:05] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:05] <shadeslayer> okay .. /me will also look at other ideas
[18:06] <shadeslayer> another way could be to broadcast a message over the network and make the client listen for it
[18:06] <shadeslayer> but i'd rather keep that as a last resort
[18:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why?
[18:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i would like to use existing stuff first ....
[18:07] <shadeslayer> if that's not possible, then implement stuff on my own
[18:07]  * apachelogger thinks tcpip is existing stuff :P
[18:07] <shadeslayer> yeah .. but i meant existing network service broadcasting services :P
[18:08] <apachelogger> eh
[18:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is tcpip
[18:08] <apachelogger> avahi does nothing else than that
[18:08] <apachelogger> in fact it does add a whole bunch of stuff on top of it
[18:09] <shadeslayer> ->avahi n00b
[18:09] <shadeslayer> looks like it just add's some more data ontop of it
[18:10] <apachelogger> well
[18:10] <apachelogger> it is a multicast service discovery system :P
[18:10] <apachelogger> + zeroconf I believe
[18:10] <shadeslayer> "It uses D-Bus for communication between user applications and a system daemon. " << Awesum
[18:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well one could always download Bonjour for Windows and make it work with avahi stuff :D
[18:15] <shadeslayer> so that's another option, since i'm targeting this at cross platform stuff
[18:15] <apachelogger> bonjour and avahi work
[18:15] <apachelogger> using bonjour (i.e. accessing it) would be tricky part
[18:15] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:15] <shadeslayer> true that
[18:16]  * apachelogger does not even know if they have an api or stuff
[18:16] <apachelogger> for all I know apple just has a binary, no clue how apps interact with it
[18:19]  * shadeslayer will ask apple fanboi's
[18:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/NetServices/Articles/programming.html << looks like they do
[18:23] <shadeslayer> heh ... my friends were right, everything starts with NS
[19:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what do you think about using UPnP to broadcast my service?
[19:05] <apachelogger> also an option
[19:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any ideas of Qt has a API to do that? because i can't find any
[19:08] <shadeslayer> there's something called qtupnp ... which looks dead
[19:09] <apachelogger> there is libupnp
[19:09] <ScottK> Look what kde4libs build-deps on 
[19:09] <ScottK> It's got upnp support
[19:09] <apachelogger> and libgupnp, though I fear that might have a gtk focus ^^
[19:09] <shadeslayer> hupnp too right?
[19:10] <apachelogger> *shurg*
[19:10] <apachelogger> should I ever get around to envision a use of upnp in phonon I will be able to tell you all about it :P
[19:10] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:45] <jjesse> oh wow, did some updates on my vm and kdm not starting
[19:46] <jjesse> that was fun
[19:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: everything was in vain, Qt rules them all : http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/service-frameworks.html
[19:59] <shadeslayer> even has signals and slots and whatnot
[20:00] <apachelogger> I once had a slot
[20:00] <shadeslayer> KSlot
[20:03] <Daskreech> We need to have a KDElib with mmmK in it somewhere :)
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> trololo, had a big PDF open in okular that used up all the swap, which lagged things enough for me to lose my freenode connection
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> PDF, Y U NO SMALL?
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> but I guess cpu reference manuals need to be big
[20:15] <apachelogger> they do
[20:15] <apachelogger> especially if we are talking x86 ^^
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> z80
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/EQ6wX.png somebody stop me now, lol
[20:25] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna->stop)_
[20:25] <shadeslayer> er
[20:25] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna->stop()
[20:32] <ulysses> shadeslayer: you forgot the ;
[20:33] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:50] <Riddell> debfx: debian bug 618932
[20:50] <Riddell> incase you're interested
[21:25] <ScottK> Riddell: We need to drop python-scour from pkg-kde-tools for the moment so stuff can build on powerpc.  I see you added it originally, I was wondering if you might be up for reverting it?
[21:31] <ScottK> Nevermind, I figured it out.
[21:57] <jjesse> heres something interesting in my vm (virtualbox) after updating today it doesn't boot to a graphical session
[21:57] <jjesse> if i uninstall vbox additions the graphical interface starts
[21:57] <jjesse> reinstall additions and reboot, no graphical session
[21:58] <yofel> if that's natty I would blame new X
[21:59] <nixternal> ScottK: still need the ppc?
[21:59] <ScottK> nixternal: No.  Thanks though.
[21:59] <jjesse> yofel yeah it is natty
[21:59] <ScottK> Turned out to be a general problem that someone else was already fixing.
[22:00] <ScottK> jjesse: Could be the new udev/upstart/kdm fallbacks.
[22:00] <jjesse> hrmm ok, someplace i could look to help troubleshoot?
[22:01] <nixternal> ScottK: sorry about that, i was out of the house yesterday. i need to get one of those power switches you can ssh into and turn the power on. i used to have one
[22:01] <nixternal> preparing for a hard day of work and riding today. my kankles are killing me :)
[22:01] <yofel> jjesse: ask in #ubuntu+1, if it's natty you're probably not the only one
[22:07] <ScottK> jjesse: Dunno the details. I'd look at https://launchpad.net/bugs/702090 for a start.
[22:07] <ScottK> Since that's what the changes were meant to fix.
[22:07] <jjesse> ok will do