[00:09] <pwnsauce> Hi. While booting Natty, before login screen, the screen backlight turns off. I hit the login screen fine, and can log in. dmesg isn't throwing up any errors that I can see. Any pointers? Thanks
[00:12] <MaximLevitsky> pwnsauce: and others. I wonder why Ubuntu doesn't provide a wider range of kernels to install, so that users that update don't get slammed by a kernel bug?
[00:12] <yofel> ubuntu never removes a kernel, you can just go to grub and select an older one
[00:13] <yofel> updating or upgrading is your choice though
[00:13] <MaximLevitsky> I have seen thousands of complains about, 'I installed ubuntu version $n" and now my $device doesn't work
[00:13] <MaximLevitsky> its usually not fault of the distro, its just new kernel
[00:13] <yofel> well, they can add the sources for the older release and install that kernel if they prefer it
[00:13] <yofel> but grub will by default always use the newest one
[00:14] <MaximLevitsky> I thank goddness always use latest my compiled kernel so at least I get constant, but low rate of bugs, I usually report and in rare cases fix
[00:15]  * yofel is happy with the ubuntu kernels in general
[00:15] <MaximLevitsky> And always when I update the ubuntu I get plenty of surprises in userspace area
[00:15] <pwnsauce> I'll try to revert to a previous kernel to see if it's solely kernel related.
[00:15] <yofel> can't really say that they alway work fine though
[00:15] <MaximLevitsky> At least thats not the case with the kernel
[00:16] <MaximLevitsky> Ubuntu does indeed keep old kernels, and thats good thing, and should be told to users
[00:16] <pwnsauce> Thanks for your help lads. Hopefully I won't have to come back. :)
[00:16] <MaximLevitsky> And for new installs it really should offer few kernels, not just one
[00:16] <MaximLevitsky> And maybe just maybe the same can be done for GFX stack
[00:17] <MaximLevitsky> Yes I know thats not easy, but I do run few copies of mesa here
[00:17] <MaximLevitsky> Actually my laptop has nvidia, and 2 copies of nouveau mesa all installed side by side
[00:18] <MaximLevitsky> GFX bugs also are huge source of bad reputation of linux
[00:18] <penguin42> yeh radeon can be flaky for me as well
[00:18] <MaximLevitsky> So if your GFX card did work in older version, you should have an option to keep it temporarly in new ubuntu
[00:19] <MaximLevitsky> At least to report the bug
[00:19] <pwnsauce> Gonna chroot, and install previous few kernels. I'll report back if I have any findings
[00:20] <MaximLevitsky> Its real life, really ubuntu should focus more on users, for the sake of popularity. I am not blaming it actually, just note that I think its too idealistic
[00:20] <MaximLevitsky> pwnsauce: why chroot?
[00:20] <yofel> well, that's the case for nvidia too, it would be nice if they wouldn't just ship the most recent versions, but at least the different major versions and have -current depend on the newest one...
[00:20] <yofel> but I guess they don't want to maintain that
[00:21] <pwnsauce> MaximLevitsky, because my machine is virtually unusable with current settings. No back lighting. It turns off just before it hits gdm
[00:21] <pwnsauce> plymouth works fine. Recovery mode is also affected.
[00:22] <pwnsauce> And it's not hardware related. Working fine here in my other linux distro
[00:22] <MaximLevitsky> pwnsauce: understand you very well
[00:23] <MaximLevitsky> pwnsauce: you say that display is off, but you can still see a very faint picture, right?
[00:23] <MaximLevitsky> from light reflection that is
[00:23] <MaximLevitsky> or in other words backlight is turned off
[00:24] <pwnsauce> MaximLevitsky: Yep. Reminds me of an old laptop whose inverter burned out. The screen displays the picture, just no light is generated
[00:24] <pwnsauce> MaximLevitsky: Exactly
[00:24] <MaximLevitsky> in that case its must be the kernel
[00:25] <pwnsauce> MaximLevitsky: Previous kernel release had same issue, but it occurred much earlier in the process.
[00:25] <MaximLevitsky> some googling on the issue might help, maybe
[00:25] <pwnsauce> MaximLevitsky: Been doing it for a while now! I'll just revert to an old kernel. Report back soon. Thanks for your help
[00:26] <MaximLevitsky> pwnsauce: btw what ubuntu you use?
[00:26] <MaximLevitsky> 11.04?
[00:26] <MaximLevitsky> and 10.4 works?
[00:27] <pwnsauce> MaximLevitsky: I did a fresh 11.04 install, and it worked fine (apart from minor bugs).
[00:27] <pwnsauce> Upgraded two days ago, and problems occurred
[00:27] <SoulShadow> anyone here able to help me downgrade my broadcom driver?
[00:27] <ChrisBuchholz> Hello guys. I'm having compiz crashing for me from time to time with alpha 3. Is there anyway to make it restart instead of having to reboot my computer every time?
[00:27] <SoulShadow> from 5.100 to 5.60?
[00:28] <MaximLevitsky> pwnsauce: got it
[00:28] <pwnsauce> MaximLevitsky: Later. thx
[00:29] <SoulShadow> anyone having wireless issues with 11.04?
[00:29] <Daekdroom> Anyone here using xorg-edgers' r600g?
[00:29] <SoulShadow> :(
[00:30] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I've got it on --> this machine, not updated since last week though
[00:30] <penguin42> Daekdroom: This is an rv710 with xorg-edgers and the drm-next kernel form 4th March
[00:31] <SoulShadow> oh boy, i'm going to have fun trying to fix this wireless driver
[00:31] <Daekdroom> penguin42, does compiz cause this for you too? > http://paste.ubuntu.com/582302/
[00:32] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I'm running KDE on it, I get this instead: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/717889
[00:33] <penguin42> hmm that's not the one I meant - where is it...
[00:34] <penguin42> ah bug 717870
[00:34] <SoulShadow> i have bug 732677 in bcmwl =\
[00:34] <penguin42> Daekdroom: at least one of them is 100% repeatable - play full screen video in flash and then move virtual desktop and BANG
[00:35] <Daekdroom> In KDE?
[00:35] <penguin42> yeh
[00:35] <penguin42> Daekdroom: With effects enabled
[00:37] <Daekdroom> penguin42, if I'm to report it, should I tag it as xorg-edgers, or is it only kernel related?
[00:39] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I don't know; I'd file it agains tthe kernel and put a note saying it's on xorg-edgers and give the package version of xserver-xorg-radeon in the comments; maybe ask on #ubuntu-x when someone is around
[00:39] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Thing is there is some interaction of the kernel, mesa, libdrm and the xserver - I think it's the same guys who fight all of them for the radeon specific bit
[01:07] <mateobur> Hello, I just upgraded natty
[01:07] <mateobur> and I have lost the launcher :)
[01:08] <MaximLevitsky> feature remove party continues?
[01:09] <MaximLevitsky> new date appindicator lacks weather
[01:09] <MaximLevitsky> and timezones
[01:10] <Ampelbein> MaximLevitsky: you can add other locations to the indicator
[01:10] <MaximLevitsky> how?
[01:11] <mateobur> compiz (opengl) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[01:11] <Ampelbein> MaximLevitsky: time and date settings -> clock -> "Time in other location"
[01:11] <mateobur> when I try to load unity, this is new
[01:14] <MaximLevitsky> Ampelbein: very very broken compared to old applet'
[01:14] <Ampelbein> MaximLevitsky: yes, I agree.
[01:14] <MaximLevitsky> Ampelbein: and no weather ether
[01:15] <MaximLevitsky> Yet, at least nice to see that this feature isn't 'politically' removed
[01:15] <Ampelbein> MaximLevitsky: yeah. I switched to classic session and will wait till at least oneiric will come out
[01:15] <Ampelbein> MaximLevitsky: you might run into bug 727089 when setting location
[01:15] <MaximLevitsky> Speaking of features, I really think GNOME is mad
[01:15] <MaximLevitsky> For example about features that really should be removed
[01:16] <pwnsauce> MaximLevitsky: Big thanks. Was kernel related. reverted to 2.6.38-5-generic
[01:16] <MaximLevitsky> Let see, brasero still uses old cdrkit just due to 2 reasons
[01:17] <MaximLevitsky> because it needs UDF for DVD-VIDEO disks and CD-TEXT for sound disks (real audio disks)
[01:17] <MaximLevitsky> About later not sure, its probably useful sometimes, but former, what the hack, why would I want to create a DVD Video disk?
[01:18] <MaximLevitsky> And hint, that feature doesn't work ether...
[01:18] <MaximLevitsky> That crud if kept, but useful and zero-maintenance features are booted.
[01:19] <MaximLevitsky> is
[01:19] <MaximLevitsky> I think is just a lack of creativity, which I admit nether have I much of it
[01:20] <MaximLevitsky> These days peoples somewhat look at Apple and see that they do innvate (not much though) and want to do so too.
[01:21] <MaximLevitsky> And since they aren't capable of doing so, they just remove things and claim innovation
[01:21] <MaximLevitsky> Look for example at Android
[01:22] <MaximLevitsky> Not that it has a lot of innovation, but still it has
[01:22] <MaximLevitsky> And doesn't suck that much
[01:22] <MaximLevitsky> Unity, Gnome Shell, nah, almost nothing
[01:22] <MaximLevitsky> pwnsauce: Hi, no problem!
[01:25] <MaximLevitsky> In other final words, Gnome devs (not users of course) are Apple wannabies
[01:25] <MaximLevitsky> And I feel that is creeping into Ubuntu world as well
[01:26] <rww> #ubuntu+1 != http://www.livejournal.com/
[01:27] <MaximLevitsky> rww: Sorry, I just had to say that. I am not trolling
[01:31] <mtaylor> hey all - I can't switch timezones in the clock applet in natty in classic desktop anymore (and really couldn't figure it out in unity) - it there a place I should be looking for that now?
[01:34] <MaximLevitsky> mtaylor: Sorry for half-trolling, but I want to tell you one thing
[01:34] <mtaylor> MaximLevitsky: half-troll away! :)
[01:34] <MaximLevitsky> Yestarday _by_ mistake I downloaded xubuntu
[01:34] <MaximLevitsky> So I decided to install it and then apt-get ubuntu-desktop
[01:35] <MaximLevitsky> I really surprised by quality of its panel
[01:35] <MaximLevitsky> One of these days I will switch to it
[01:35] <MaximLevitsky> Peoples seem to think that there is no gnome fork
[01:35] <MaximLevitsky> Xfce is one
[01:36] <MaximLevitsky> Well, thats not really a fork
[01:36] <MaximLevitsky> But it follows spirit of gnome
[01:36] <MaximLevitsky> Has more settings
[01:36] <MaximLevitsky> And uses many gnome libraries, eg GTK
[01:37] <Volkodav> the pidgin ppa team is on vacation for last 2 releases ?
[01:38] <Pici> Sounds relaxing. ;)
[01:38] <Daekdroom> Pici, what?
[01:38] <Pici> Nevermind.
[02:10] <mtaylor> is there a way to configure the launcher intellihide in the unity interface?
[02:12] <Daekdroom> mtaylor, ccsm
[02:14] <mtaylor> Daekdroom: thanks! is there any intent to have that launch from the System Settings thing in the power menu?
[02:14] <Daekdroom> mtaylor, I can launch ccsm from there.
[02:14] <Daekdroom> But not the specific unity plugin conf
[02:15] <mtaylor> Daekdroom: k. well cool - at least I know it's there now. thanks!
[02:24] <dasen> does anyone here fear unity will suck?
[02:24] <dasen> sorry, that sounded trollish
[02:24] <kklimonda> a little
[02:24] <Daekdroom> I think it's design is so poorly done.
[02:24] <dasen> I mean, I'm running unity, and it seems really unfinished
[02:25] <kklimonda> yes, it's a problem with software in OS world - first versions almost always lack polish.
[02:26] <Daekdroom> and this version pretty much doesn't count because it's the 1st version with a rewritten interface code.
[02:26] <dasen> mmm...I wish it wasn't like that. I wish we could have the stability and bug-freeness of mac os x
[02:26] <Daekdroom> It's called debian stable.
[02:26] <dasen> ehe
[02:27] <kklimonda> dasen: then you, and milions of other users have to start paying
[02:27] <dasen> in my college no one uses linux, and the teachers almost all use mac os x
[02:27] <kklimonda> it's not possible to create and thoroughly test software in OS world without pushing it onto users.
[02:28] <kklimonda> that's why we have both LTS and normal release.. at least in theory
[02:28] <dasen> mmm...
[02:30] <dasen> i wish i could recommend linux to my friends who are computer illiterate, but Î can't.. there are so many potential pitfalls they can fall through, I think linux isn't ready yyyyyyyyyyyy
[02:30] <dasen> y
[02:31] <dasen> yet
[02:31] <kklimonda> that also sounded trollish :P
[02:31] <dasen> not meant to be :I
[02:31] <dasen> :)
[02:32] <kklimonda> it's not like we'll ever get Ubuntu to the point computer illiterate people can run it on a random pieces of hardware.
[02:32] <kklimonda> We are getting to the point where it can be ran without problems on some hardware though
[02:33] <dasen> yeah i guess
[02:34] <dasen> i think perhaps the biggest hurdle to linux acceptance is the microsoft tax (it always comes preinstalled on pc's) and the lack of games
[02:34] <dasen> perhaps if those two things were fixed, we'd see more widespread use
[02:35] <yofel> not only games, lack of general proprietary software support. People that for example need to use photoshop will certainly not use linux (and please don't suggest wine...)
[02:35] <kklimonda> gimp!!!1
[02:35] <kklimonda> ;)
[02:35] <dasen> yeah
[02:36] <yofel> sure, gimp's enough for most things. But it's just not photoshop
[02:39] <dasen> yeah, but for casual users gimp iis good enough
[02:39] <Daekdroom> dasen, once they figure out the interface.
[02:39] <Daekdroom> That things creeps the hell out of me.
[02:39] <dasen> yeah
[02:39] <dasen> but it's getting better
[02:40] <dasen> now only the window has a menu, the toolboxes are always on top, etc
[02:41] <Daekdroom> Yeah, but unity doesn't look good with that.
[02:41] <Daekdroom> The menu should show up with the toolboxes too..
[02:42] <Daekdroom> but a unique menu.
[02:42] <dasen> you mean a different menu for toolbox and another for the window?
[02:43] <Daekdroom> Nope. All of them should have the same menu.
[02:43] <dasen> ahh
[02:43] <Daekdroom> The menu doesn't show up in the window, so you try to look for it in the panel, but then realize the focus is on a toolbox.
[02:43] <dasen> oh yeah...
[02:45] <dasen> taat
[02:45] <dasen> thatsps
[02:45] <dasen> that's why a global menu bar is a bad idea...
[02:46] <Daekdroom> I'm not sure, I wish it integrated to the titlebar if the window wasn't maximized.
[02:46] <dasen> i don't understand why don't they put the menu on the titlebar, when a window is maximized, and below it when it isn't
[02:46] <Daekdroom> Or that.
[02:47] <dasen> i proposed it on the ayatana mailling list, but no one picked on it
[02:48] <dasen> well, I'm leaving, got to sleep, thanx for the nice chat
[02:49] <yofel> gn
[02:49] <Daekdroom> Good night.
[02:53] <kklimonda> I really like the current way maximized window merges with a top panel.
[02:54] <kklimonda> it's like the only thing about Unity I can actually say about that it has been well though.
[04:41] <xiambax> Anyone know how one could get around this errno 5 input error?
[04:41] <xiambax> disk is fine
[04:43] <xiambax> is the solution really to remove a ram module?
[04:43] <xiambax> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-installer/+bug/245794
[04:44] <bazhang> try the alternate cd?
[04:45] <xiambax> i have no more cds
[04:45] <xiambax> i just pulled a stick
[04:45] <xiambax> shall see what happens
[04:50] <xiambax> install getting further then it did before
[04:50] <xiambax> crossing fingers
[04:51] <xiambax> MOTHER #$%#
[04:51] <xiambax> Crapped out
[04:51] <xiambax> Can i network install from the main install disk?
[04:55] <xiambax> Could I go from 10.04 to 11.04?
[04:56] <rww> xiambax: Not directly, no. You'd need to go through 10.10.
[04:56] <xiambax> so upgrade to 10.10
[04:57] <xiambax> then i can go to 11.04?
[05:00] <rww> yes
[07:12] <diegoviola> hi
[07:13] <Guest75072> Hi
[07:13] <diegoviola> wayland will be on ubuntu 11?
[07:13] <rww> no
[07:14] <diegoviola> pffft
[07:15] <rww> More specifically, it's packaged, it's not installed by default. The whole "Let's move Ubuntu to wayland!" thing is a long-term thing for a few years from now.
[07:16] <diegoviola> i see, thanks for clearing that up
[07:17] <diegoviola> will Canonical put resources on Wayland development?
[07:17] <rww> No idea, you'd have to ask them.
[07:18] <diegoviola> ok thanks
[07:23] <Guest75072> Natty cd image is too big to fit on cd-disc.
[07:24] <rww> Yes it is.
[07:25] <duanedesign> yeah the i386 is 708M
[07:25] <duanedesign> amd64 695
[07:26] <Guest75072> I am now downloadind DVD image. If it doesn't fit on dvd, I'll burn that cd image on dvd.
[07:26] <duanedesign> yeah or usb
[07:27] <duanedesign> should be reworked to fit on CD by the time it is releades
[07:27] <duanedesign> released*
[07:41] <zniavre> good morning
[07:42] <zniavre> im using unity-2d , how to reset the applications button of the launchaer panel please, it's empty .?
[08:12] <Eruaran> hello
[08:13] <Eruaran> guys is it safe to install nvidia/ati drivers?
[08:14] <Eruaran> I'm on alpha 3 with all current updates
[08:16] <nit-wit> Eruaran, are you running in low graphics or the generics are not satisfactory
[08:17] <Eruaran> nit-wit: the generics are working fine but I have an nvidia card and was wondering if its safe to install divers for it since they were broken not long ago
[08:18] <Eruaran> nit-wit: would be nice to play a game ;)
[08:22] <nit-wit> Eruaran, if you know how to remove them if there are problems from the recovery command line go for it.
[08:23] <Eruaran> k
[08:36] <test_> hi all, today natty updates failed with the following error, is there somewhere I should report this?
[08:37] <test_> Failed to fetch http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xserver-xorg-video-nv/xserver-xorg-video-nv_2.1.17-3ubuntu7_i386.deb 403  Forbidden
[08:50] <zniavre> how do we call this please ? > http://i.imgur.com/eriWc.png <
[09:09] <duanedesign> zniavre: the search is not working in the dash?
[09:11] <duanedesign> zniavre: try installing unity-place-applications and unity-place-files
[09:12] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get install unity-place-applications unity-place-files
[09:12] <zniavre> already installed at last version
[09:18] <zniavre> duanedesign,  thank you (im using unity-2d)
[09:18] <duanedesign> hmm
[09:19] <duanedesign> zniavre: let me see if their is  a bug report
[09:20] <duanedesign> zniavre:  bug 706754
[09:21] <duanedesign> zniavre: it says the update for libdee is in Natty noe
[09:21] <duanedesign> now*
[09:21] <duanedesign> might run: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:22] <duanedesign> to make sure you have all the latest packages
[09:24] <zniavre> i am already updated (i got his since few days i was waiting for update i got yesterday and the worrie still here, so asked here )
[09:25] <zniavre> the black aera is called a "dash" ?
[09:25] <duanedesign> yes
[09:25] <zniavre> ok at least this point is solved ...  :o)
[09:25] <duanedesign> the super button is the keyboard shortcut
[09:25] <duanedesign> super-a calls the application search and super-f calls the file search
[09:26] <duanedesign> FWIW
[09:27] <zniavre> i guess it's available on unity , unity-2d does not use the same shortcut    win+a/f/d
[09:27] <duanedesign> ahh
[09:28] <duanedesign> zniavre: i was not aware of super +d :)
[09:28] <duanedesign> thank you
[09:30] <duanedesign> zniavre: hmm, it should work.
[09:31] <duanedesign> bug 721264
[09:31] <duanedesign> marked Fiv Released for Unity 2-d
[09:31] <duanedesign> Fix*
[09:35] <xiambax> Errr Im having the worst luck getting 11.04 installed
[09:35] <xiambax> burnt a disk. getting IO errors
[09:37] <Guest89070> Ubi-partman crashes when trying to install from DVD.
[09:37] <zniavre> duanedesign, the worst thing is when bug are fixed but still on YOUR computer ... :o(
[09:49] <ankreloaded> hey fellas
[09:49] <ankreloaded> just installed a daily build of ubuntu 11.04...and as usual it got messed up...any help??
[09:58] <nit-wit> any description?
[10:07] <iceroot> ankreloaded: x-server doesnt come up/show very strange colors?
[10:18] <Guest89070> iceroot: i have that problem
[10:19] <iceroot> Guest89070: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old  helped me
[10:19] <iceroot> Guest89070: because you cant access tty1, i was using ssh for it or the grub-rescue-mode to boot into the shell
[10:20] <Guest89070> Thanks
[10:20] <iceroot> Guest89070: to call the grub-rescue-entry, press shift + esc at boot
[10:25] <Guest89070> Can't read ... File or directory doesn't exist,
[10:28] <Guest89070> Iceroot: ^^
[10:35]  * Guest89070 doesn't have folder /etc/x11 !? 
[11:49] <bullgard4> With upgrading Firefox forgot all my bookmarks. What file should I look for if the bookmarks are still on my computer?
[12:00] <SwedeMike> ~/.mozilla
[12:12] <bullgard4> SwedeMike: Your answer is imprecise. I'd appreciate a precise answer.
[12:13] <SwedeMike> bullgard4: that's all you're going to get from me. I encourage you to go look in that directory and see what you can find further down.
[12:14] <bullgard4> SwedeMike: I have done that before I posted here.
[12:24] <florian> hi, hope this is the right place to ask this, I'm on 11.04 didn't update for quite some time because it worked somehow stable. now i'm having problems and want to update, is this a good time to update?
[12:25] <Guest79786> If nvidia and x are fixed.
[12:37] <coz_> florian,  well you could update and NOT restart  just in case
[12:37] <coz_> florian,  or  go to synaptic package manager  check which packages are to be updated,,, and if it is xserver    xorg stuff,, unmark those and update
[12:37] <coz_> florian,  I am not sure which if any issues are on current update
[12:41] <florian> coz_, alright thank you I'll do the update then exlcuding x-packages
[12:41] <coz_> florian,   which video card do you have there?
[12:42] <Ian_Corne> I haven't found any isues with nvidia and x
[12:42] <coz_> florian,  before doing that ,, I would stick around to check with others here  to be sure   and as Ian_Corne   said no issues with nvidia and current updates   so it might server you better to hold off for just a bit and ask again
[12:44] <Ian_Corne> I'll reboot, because 270.30 just came in
[12:44] <florian> its an intel, i think X4500
[12:45] <florian> coz_, x problems seem to be limited to nvidia, no?
[12:45] <Ian_Corne> It boots just fine
[12:45] <coz_> florian,  not necessarily   ati as well
[12:46] <coz_> florian,   during prerelease it could affect any of the video options
[12:46] <coz_> florian,  I would still hang out and talk abit more befor attempting it...just in case
[12:48] <florian> coz_, sure
[12:48] <coz_> let me update on the other machine to see what is included
[12:51] <coz_> florian,  there seems to be an kernel update as well as Intel xserver update
[12:52] <florian> coz_, so two potential obstacles
[12:53] <coz_> florian,  potential,,  sure...:)
[12:54] <coz_> florian, once you do a "Reload"   in synaptic  there should be a listing of  "Upgradeabe" in the left column if you have  "Status"  clicked
[12:54] <coz_> florian,  you can review which packages are going to be upgraded
[13:01] <leagris> Hello, I know natty may be closer to release but why can't we get updated packages for 10.10 where https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/computer-janitor/+bug/591433 got a fixed package?
[13:03] <florian> coz_, thanks for the help so for!
[13:03] <coz_> florian,  no problem...
[13:45] <shaneo> idk what you dev. did to the broadcom drivers but thank you my wireless works again
[13:46] <IdleOne> combination of hard work and broadcom open sourcing
[13:46] <IdleOne> but it's nice when stuff works :)
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:02] <MaximLevitsky> Virtualbox + latest natty + opengl possible?
[14:03] <MaximLevitsky> The 4.04 addons xserver driver doesn't load due to abi bump
[14:03] <BluesKaj> had kernel source graphics driver probs today at boot , no driver or the wrong driver was installed when the new kernel came down the pipe yesterday. Had to use the previous recovery kernel to install the nvidia-current driver
[14:08] <BluesKaj> wonder if this is a common problem
[14:10] <bullgard4> Alpha3 will become Beta on 2011-03-24?
[14:16] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: there was a security upgrade I saw yesterday that mentioned 3rd party drivers would need to be rebuilt
[14:22] <MaximLevitsky> Anyone?
[14:37] <bullgard4> Why does Ubuntu not offer LibreOffice Base?
[14:37] <yofel> no idea what base is, but we do have libreoffice
[14:39] <bullgard4> yofel: I asked for LibreOffice Base. LibreOffice Base is the supposed fork Of the OpenOffice.org Base program.
[14:39] <yofel> !info libreoffice-base
[14:40] <yofel> seems like it's there, just not installed by default
[14:43] <bjsnider> yofel, i guess to make ubuntu easier to use, we should have everything installed by default,. tens of thousands of apps.
[14:43] <yofel> sure, I always said we should just dump cds and dvds and ship blue ray disks
[14:45] <BluesKaj> yofel, then I'll have to buy a bluray drive ...I don't have the need right now otherwise :)
[14:48] <yofel> true, I guess we should stay legacy compatible and ship half a dozen DVDs
[14:51] <BluesKaj> yofel, I don't mind network updates/upgrades , gives something to look forward to everyday
[14:51] <yofel> heh
[14:51] <BluesKaj> yofel, as you can tell , it's been a long winter here:)
[14:58] <bullgard4> yofel: I agree. I did install it and will now experiment with it. --  Thank you for your help.
[15:29] <ChrisBuchholz> Can somebodu tell why sometimes if I maximize a window in unity, it will maximizeall the way (horizontally) and other times, it maximizes but keeps place for the Dock on the left?
[16:05] <lite__> hello. i used script http://pastebin.com/5nrzv1GK (internal eth0, external eth1, dsl ppp0) to give internet to a notebook through wi-fi hotspot, but after update to natty there's no effect :-\ ifconfig show me only very big count of rx dropped packets =(
[16:23] <coz_>  hey all
[16:38] <ankreloaded> hey fellas! I am hating this unity desktop on natty...tht dock is really a  distraction when it autohides...is there any way we can lock it permanently?
[16:38] <Daekdroom> ankreloaded, install ccsm
[16:38] <Daekdroom> Go to the ubuntu unity plugin configuration and set it to never hide
[16:39] <ankreloaded> ok will try...thanks
[16:47] <Amaranth> You can change the size of it now too!
[16:48]  * Amaranth hugs his never hiding 42px dock
[17:25] <benste1> hi, how can i change the vidoe output for an s-video output from NTSC to PAL ? - there is no option in monitors if using the nouveau driver
[17:52] <bullgard4> Why did Ubuntu install on my computer libreoffice-help-en-gb and libreoffice-help-en-us as well?
[17:59] <ChrisBuchholz> Can somebody tell why sometimes if I maximize a window in unity, it will maximize all the way (horizontally) and other times, it maximizes but keeps place for the Dock on the left?
[17:59] <penguin42> bullgard4: What is your default language?
[18:02] <bullgard4> penguin42: '~$ locale; LANG=de_DE.UTF-8; LANGUAGE=de_DE:en'.
[18:02] <penguin42> hmm, in that case en_GB and en_US is odd; I'd assumed one of those was the default and one was based on your config
[18:03] <bullgard4> penguin42: What do you mean by "your config"?
[18:04] <penguin42> bullgard4: Well it would make sense for it to install the de_DE for you because that's what you use
[18:05] <bullgard4> Right.
[18:09] <IdleOne> could it be that it is pulling in both en_US and en_GB because of the :en ?
[18:10] <IdleOne> but then it would also pull en_CA
[18:10] <penguin42> IdleOne: There are LOADS of en_* variants (I've never compared them all)
[18:11] <IdleOne> penguin42: yeah what I mean is maybe it sees en as ALL en_*
[18:12] <IdleOne> maybe ask in #documentfoundation
[18:12] <IdleOne> that is the user channel for libre office
[18:12] <penguin42> (long channel name!)
[18:12] <IdleOne> or #libreoffice
[18:19] <bullgard4> IdleOne: You are not well informed. That channel is almost dead.
[18:19] <IdleOne> bullgard4: which channel?
[18:20] <bullgard4> IdleOne: The channel #documentfoudation is almost dead.
[18:20] <bullgard4> IdleOne: The channel #libreoffice forbids to discuss that in its topic.
[18:20] <IdleOne> ok.
[18:21] <penguin42> haha
[18:21] <IdleOne> sorry I tried to help.
[18:21] <penguin42> bullgard4: I suspect there is a #ubuntu-something
[18:21] <IdleOne> There is no need to be rude and insulting. You could just uninstall the packages you don't want.
[18:21] <bullgard4> penguin42: I am listening to ou eagerly.
[18:21] <bullgard4> s/ou/you/
[18:22] <penguin42> bullgard4: Well I don't know what it is - channel list on your irc client, I'd be surprised if there isn't an open/libe office one
[18:23] <bullgard4> penguin42: I found two. I listened on both of them for quite a while.
[18:23] <penguin42> ah
[18:23] <penguin42> bullgard4: Well file a bug then
[18:25] <bullgard4> penguin42: I already filed one. I'am considering if I should file a second one. I do not know yet if this multiple language appearance justifies a bug report.
[18:25] <penguin42> bullgard4: Well if you feel it's wrong, file it - the worst that can happen is someone can reject it
[18:25] <bullgard4> Of course.
[18:27] <DanaG> ARGH, freaking Natty installer just wiped out my Windows install.
[18:27] <DanaG> The installer said, "Erase Natty and install 11.04", so I chose that.
[18:27] <DanaG> And, apparently Windows 7 is "Natty".
[18:27] <Mkaysi> DanaG: did it said something about partman ?
[18:27] <penguin42> that's a bit of an extreme way of curing Bug 1
[18:28] <DanaG> It's a nonessential system, so all I've lost is time... but damn, that's one major bad behavior.
[18:28] <kklimonda> DanaG: bugs are, by definition, bad ;)
[18:28]  * Mkaysi is laughing for that comment...
[18:28] <Mkaysi> Bug #1
[18:29] <Mkaysi> Ubottu isn't here?
[18:29] <Mkaysi> ...
[18:29] <DanaG> bug 1
[18:30] <bullgard4> I like that times and again.
[18:30] <DanaG> I suppose I should file a bug on this behavior.
[18:31] <DanaG> It also offered to "Upgrade Natty"....
[18:31] <DanaG> not sure how you'd UPGRADE a "Windows Natty" to 11.04.
[18:33] <DanaG> I'll file a bug on that.
[18:34] <DanaG> But where's the installer log?
[18:34] <penguin42>  /var/log/installer?
[18:36] <DanaG> Okay, I'm filing a bug.
[18:37] <DanaG> It also didn't even give a chance to verify what it was going to do.
[18:37] <yofel> iirc the ubiquity apport hook should already add those
[18:37] <DanaG> yeah, I did ubuntu-bug ubiquity.  Had to gksu it.
[18:38] <DanaG> I selected "erase natty"... and bam, it erased immediately.
[18:38] <DanaG> No "this is what partman will do"!
[18:40] <bullgard4> penguin42: [Done.]
[18:44] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/738366
[18:45] <DanaG> Something else that's a pet peeve: apparently the arrow keys are "typing".
[18:45] <DanaG> It freezes the touchpad while typing...
[18:45] <DanaG> Good luck typing anything with the arrow keys!
[18:56] <BUGabundo> v
[18:56] <BUGabundo> hey! I'm back!!  :D
[19:03] <coz_> BUGabundo,  you sound really surprised! :)
[19:04] <BUGabundo> coz_: been far from home and far from my online friendly folks all week
[19:04] <coz_> BUGabundo,  oh  :)  I thought maybe  you were surprised after updates  :)
[19:05] <BUGabundo> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[19:05] <BUGabundo> no.
[19:05] <coz_> BUGabundo,  then a  "welcome back"  is in order :)
[19:05] <BUGabundo> are they so bad?
[19:05] <BUGabundo> making a week worth of updates NOW
[19:05] <coz_> BUGabundo,  no they arent   I just updated today
[19:05] <coz_> BUGabundo,  seems to be fine  at least on nvidia
[19:06] <BUGabundo> Fetched 447 MB in 10min 11s (732 kB/s)
[19:06] <coz_> yikes
[19:06] <coz_> BUGabundo,  you have been gone long :)
[19:07] <coz_> darn ,, I have to break again...be back in a bit
[19:09] <thiebaude> :)
[19:12] <yofel> hey BUGabundo :)
[19:12] <BUGabundo> hey yofel
[19:13] <mbrigdan> Just wondering, with the switch to LibreOffice in 11.04, will I have problems if I stick with OO?
[19:13] <Daekdroom> mbrigdan, I think that all OO packages in 11.04 are transitional
[19:14] <mbrigdan> Wait, so it'll switch me automatically?
[19:15] <Daekdroom> Precisely.
[19:15] <mbrigdan> Its not too different is it? I tend get annoyed when programs move all my menus and such around. Stupid Word 2007.
[19:16] <Daekdroom> It's barely any different for now.
[19:16] <mbrigdan> Alright, cool
[19:17] <mbrigdan> I had a bad experience with KDevelop where it updated to a new version and suddenly all my files were incompatible. It was a nightmare. Decided to always do my research from then on.
[20:09] <DanaG> okay.... anyway, what can I do to make tablet stuff as useful on Ubuntu as it is on Windows 7?
[20:09] <DanaG> Not that I absolutely need the tablet stuff... but last time I tried, tablet stuff was lacking.
[20:14] <penguin42> DanaG: Buggy or missing features?
[20:14] <DanaG> Mostly missing features.
[20:14] <DanaG> Things like native handwriting recognition.
[20:14] <DanaG> For example, Windows 7 hooks into all text input boxes, and has some native stuff.  It's not a hack like CellWriter is.
[20:16] <DanaG> Right now the only big thing Ubuntu has over Windows 7, on this tablet, is that you can do compiz on 915GM.
[20:16] <DanaG> You can't do Aero on that.
[20:17] <DanaG> Er, that's not the ONLY thing.
[20:17] <DanaG> But as far as pen input, Windows 7 is nicer.
[20:18] <DanaG> It's funny: people diss Windows 7 for being hard to use with fingers.... all they really need to do is to turn DPI scaling on to make things bigger.
[20:18] <DanaG> Anyway, this tablet is pen only; no touch at all.
[20:24] <penguin42> DanaG: You might try asking the Ayatana list where to start - that's UI design; but I guess maybe not -  ask the guys who have done the current stuff
[20:49] <BUGabundo> I opened FF 3.6, updated a few addons, restarted the browser, and now its stuck in a state where it asks to restart FF to finish updates :\
[21:20] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i didn't think you used firefox
[21:20] <BUGabundo> I do
[21:20] <BUGabundo> as a secondary browser
[21:20] <bjsnider> btw, take a look at internet exploder 9. it's a complete ripoff of chrome
[21:20] <BUGabundo> and natty insists on opening it
[21:20] <BUGabundo> sure, can you email me a windows laptop ? :P
[21:21] <bjsnider> you could use it in a vm
[21:21] <bjsnider> first they ripped off firefox with ie7, now chrome
[21:21] <bjsnider> microsoft, where there are no original ideas
[21:23] <kklimonda> right, it's not like Firefox is ripping off Chrome and Opera ;)
[21:26]  * BUGabundo starts a new FF4 profile and changes *all* mouse click options to the oposite
[21:37] <DanaG> argh, for some reason, Nautilus is entirely unthemed.
[22:03] <jjesse> hello, running kubuntu natty in virtualbox, after update today and reboot my vm doesn't boot to a graphical interface, after uninstalling vbox additions it boots, reinstall vbox additions no graphical interface
[22:25] <Moc22> I just downloaded 11.04 and tried to do a upgrade, but it hd doesn't work and seem stuck at saying installing
[22:27] <penguin42> jjesse: With the addiitons installed you might want to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if there are any errors
[22:28] <jjesse> ok see message about failed to load module vboxvideo module requirement mismatch
[22:28] <jjesse> that might be it
[22:29] <penguin42> sounds like it, probably best to file a bug on it
[22:30] <jjesse> ok will do
[22:34] <xiambax_> Can i do a text install from the alternative disk?
[22:35] <penguin42> yeh
[22:38] <xiambax_> I can't get this to install
[22:38] <xiambax_> Keep getting Errno 5 when trying to install from CD
[22:39] <xiambax_> don't have any big enough usb keys
[22:43] <guntbert> xiambax: did you check the integrity of the downloaded iso?
[22:43] <xiambax> YEah
[22:43] <xiambax> tried the removing one ram stick
[22:43] <xiambax> its a known issue
[22:43] <xiambax> still nothing
[22:45] <penguin42> xiambax: How far does it get before tha thappens?
[22:46] <xiambax> id say 60 percent
[22:48] <penguin42> then the installer crashes and everything else is left running?
[22:48] <xiambax> installer crashes then kicks me out of the installer
[22:49] <penguin42> anyhting  in /var/log/installer?
[22:49] <penguin42> or something like that
[22:49] <xiambax> I will attempt another install
[22:51] <xiambax> I bought a 220 Dell Vostro with a 24 inch display on craigslist for 300 bucks.
[22:51] <xiambax> Pretty sick little system
[22:51] <xiambax> I just want to get it up and running
[22:52] <penguin42> now you know why it was 300 bucks!
[22:52] <xiambax> No it works fine
[22:52] <xiambax> Its a Core 2 Duo
[22:52] <guntbert> xiambax: my guess is still a corrupted iso image
[22:54] <xiambax> is there a way i can boot to live disk and do network install from it
[22:56] <Viking667> ...*knilb* *blink*...
[22:57] <guntbert> xiambax: thats the usual way, if I understand you ...
[22:57] <xiambax> I want it to pull install sources from the network
[22:57] <xiambax> not the disk
[22:57] <xiambax> so if it is an iso issue
[22:57] <xiambax> it will pull none corrupt data from the tubes
[22:58] <guntbert> !minimal | xiambax
[22:59] <Viking667> hm. Seems I don't need to be here. Apologies.
[22:59] <xiambax> is there a testing branch of the minimal cd?
[23:00] <yofel> you can change the link to natty, there is an iso
[23:01] <xiambax> and it has wifi drivers?
[23:01] <yofel> probably not, it's the bare minimum to start the installer
[23:01] <ChrisBuchholz> Hey people. I am trying to swithc from the Broadcom STA wifi driver to the B43 driver. I have followed the ubuntu wiki and installed the packages b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-installer. If i remove the wl module and modprobe b43, in iwconfig i get wlan1 card up but the network indicator says firmware is missing. If i remove b43 and modprobe 'wl', iwconfig is fine and network indiciator says fine. What can be up?
[23:02] <ChrisBuchholz> I wanna try B43 driver instand of Broadcom STA since i get horrible speeds with it
[23:03] <ChrisBuchholz> I have a BCM4322 wifi card
[23:16]  * Osaka misses 0px borders 
[23:16] <xiambax> oh man my roommates found a usb key
[23:16] <xiambax> gold
[23:16] <Osaka> ^_^ yay
[23:20] <valorin> Anyone here have any luck at running gnome-shell via the gnome3-team PPA?
[23:22] <scarleo> ChrisBuchholz: Are you sure it's the driver? I have the same card and have to turn off the power saving feature to get good speed
[23:23] <scarleo> ChrisBuchholz: With Broadcom STA driver
[23:24] <ChrisBuchholz> scarleo: how do you do that?
[23:24] <ChrisBuchholz> scarleo: because, it could sound like it. Right now - after i just modprobed it, it works great
[23:24] <scarleo> ChrisBuchholz: sudo iwconfig wlan1 power off
[23:24] <ChrisBuchholz> after some time, it starts getting so, so slow
[23:25] <ChrisBuchholz> scarleo: lets see if it works
[23:25] <ChrisBuchholz> scarleo: if it does, will i have to do that every time
[23:26] <ChrisBuchholz> ...after every reboot?
[23:26] <scarleo> ChrisBuchholz: There are some info somewhere abt making it permanent
[23:27] <scarleo> ChrisBuchholz: I have found that there is only problem with some wifi connection points, some works good so I turn it off if I notice it gets slow
[23:27] <ChrisBuchholz> scarleo: okay thanks. I will keep an eye on it
[23:27] <xiambax> Probably an encryption issue
[23:28] <xiambax> Had the same issue with 2Wire systems and MacOSX back in the day.
[23:28] <scarleo> Maybe, my router has a power saving feature that if it's on makes the speed almost unusable with powersaving in Ubuntu
[23:28] <xiambax> Found putting the password in quotations resolved the issue. 2Wire routers use none standard encryption methods
[23:28] <scarleo> in combination that is, if I turn off one or the other it's fine again
[23:43] <valorin> Any gnome-shell people around?