[00:21] <raju> i had installed some application from tar
[00:22] <raju> how can i know its installation done in rightway
[00:23] <Omsniffiscent> Is it in your application menu?
[00:28] <aveilleux> raju: Is it a binary or source?
[00:29] <raju> aveilleux: its a source
[00:30] <aveilleux> raju: Then you'll need to extract it (You can use File Roller for that, just double-click and hit "Extract"), then compile it
[00:31] <aveilleux> raju: You can do this by opening Terminal, then using the cd ("Change Directory") command to get to the folder where the source is, then reading the README file for instructions
[00:31] <raju> aveilleux: i did that , but thing is i wanna verify its installation status .....properly done or not
[00:31] <aveilleux> raju: What program did you download in tar format?
[00:31] <raju> vala
[00:31] <raju> aveilleux: ^^^
[00:33] <aveilleux> raju: The Vala libraries? Or some DE for Vala?
[00:35] <raju> aveilleux:  hey thank man , you i got it
[00:35] <raju> thank you aveilleux
[00:35] <aveilleux> raju: Because the recommended method of installation is the PPA, not the source
[00:35] <aveilleux> raju: Thzt way you'll always be up to date
[00:35] <aveilleux> s/Thzt/That
[00:35] <raju> aveilleux: i had done as ./configure , make ,make instatll
[00:36] <aveilleux> raju: That'll work too, but I *highly* recommend taking a look at this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Vala
[00:37] <raju> aveilleux:  i am on it
[00:38] <raju> aveilleux:  thats very good one
[00:39] <aveilleux> raju: The best way to find a good source for Ubuntu packages is to Google "<name> ubuntu" (w/o quotes)
[00:40] <raju> aveilleux: some times i am going like that ...." googe 'pkg name' in ubuntu "
[02:36] <JNunez> Setting up a ubuntu desktop for a friend and her 3 kids.  I want to make a change to the desktop and look and feel then have it be the same on all of their desktops.  Any suggestions?
[03:53] <HoboCannibaL> can anyone help me... my function key doesn't seem to work at all so i cannot utilize my keyboard
[03:55]  * HoboCannibaL scans the chan for useful help
[03:57] <aveilleux> HoboCannibaL: What keyboard is this?
[03:59] <HoboCannibaL> its for the laptop so it won't specify when i look up the specs
[04:00] <HoboCannibaL> the laptop is an asus g73sw
[04:00] <HoboCannibaL> i can get the function key to work, i found the problem is that they don't have this particular laptop keyboard supported for ubuntu
[04:01] <HoboCannibaL> when i go to preferences, and go to keyboard....they do not have this model....so i'm assuming that is the problem....
[04:01] <aveilleux> HoboCannibaL: Have you tried manually setting the keyboard shortcuts?
[04:02] <HoboCannibaL> yes and it will not allow me to change them to fn+(key)
[04:02] <aveilleux> HoboCannibaL: It should say something like "X11volcontrol"
[04:03] <HoboCannibaL> yeah, it won't let me use function for anything...i have it set up to use it for my volumes and stuff...but i would prefer to have the secondary option
[04:03] <HoboCannibaL> also my keyboard backlight doesn't work with ubuntu either
[04:05] <HoboCannibaL> i've searched the net for linux drivers for this model of lappy but i can't really find much of anything for what i need
[04:09] <HoboCannibaL> aveilleux: also, is there anywhere i can register this nick and also hide my dns?
[04:09] <aveilleux> HoboCannibaL: Ask about that in #freenode
[04:09] <HoboCannibaL> ok
[04:29] <HoboCannibaL> aveilleux: are u still available?
[04:32] <thewrath> hey all
[04:58] <meditatingfrog> hey thewrath
[04:59] <HoboCannibaL> anyone know of a place that has good tutorials for ubuntu and the terminal?
[05:01] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: i made a server here at the house
[05:01] <holstein> and started doing things without X
[05:01] <holstein> chat in irssi for example
[05:02] <ddecator> (irssi ftw)
[05:02]  * holstein fist-bumps ddecator :)
[05:08] <HoboCannibaL> holstein: thanx...
[05:09] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: i would like to take my old EEE
[05:09] <holstein> and install a command line system
[05:09] <HoboCannibaL> 'EEE' ?
[05:09] <holstein> see how much and can get done using it as a main machine :)
[05:09] <holstein> eeepc
[05:09] <holstein> netbook
[05:09] <HoboCannibaL> oh...asus?
[05:09] <holstein> yeah
[05:09] <holstein> eee900
[05:10] <HoboCannibaL> am using a g73sw
[05:10] <HoboCannibaL> been having probs though with finding drivers for it though lawlz...
[05:10] <holstein> you can always just do it in the gnome terminal
[05:10] <holstein> just google whatever you are trying to do
[05:10] <holstein> and try the job in the command line
[05:10] <HoboCannibaL> yep...can only find windows drivers
[05:11] <holstein> sudo cp files around
[05:11] <holstein> rmdir
[05:11] <holstein> ls
[05:11] <holstein> simple stuff
[05:11] <holstein> next time you have to make a text document
[05:11] <holstein> cd there and use nano :)
[05:11] <HoboCannibaL> yeah i'm very very new to linux
[05:11] <HoboCannibaL> lol
[05:13] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: how are you liking it so far?
[05:13] <HoboCannibaL> love it....
[05:13] <HoboCannibaL> so much better than windows
[05:13] <HoboCannibaL> its just a lot different lol
[05:13] <holstein> yeah, i prefer it :)
[05:13] <HoboCannibaL> terminal commands are completely foreign to me right now though :/
[05:14] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: well, you are looking for driver information right?
[05:14] <holstein> open up the gnome terminal
[05:14] <holstein> and type
[05:14] <HoboCannibaL> yeah i like it much better...am going to take my floor-top and put a hard linux os on it so i can learn it better
[05:14] <holstein> lspci
[05:14] <HoboCannibaL> what is gnome terminal?
[05:15] <HoboCannibaL> and what is lspci?
[05:15] <holstein> applications - accessories - terminal
[05:15] <holstein> that'll get you to the command line
[05:15] <holstein> lspci is a command
[05:15] <HoboCannibaL> oh ok....whats the command for?
[05:15] <holstein> that will list some hardware
[05:15] <holstein> and information
[05:15] <HoboCannibaL> k
[05:15] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: you dont have to trust me
[05:15] <holstein> blindly
[05:15] <holstein> or anyone for that matter
[05:16] <holstein> feel free to google these commands
[05:16] <holstein> OR whatever makes you comfortable :)
[05:16] <HoboCannibaL> lol....yeah i pulled it up
[05:16] <holstein> lspci will tell you lots of handy info though
[05:16] <holstein> lets say
[05:16] <HoboCannibaL> sure does...thanx
[05:16] <holstein> you are tring to get sound
[05:16] <holstein> trying*
[05:16] <holstein> you can run that
[05:16] <holstein> see if the sound device is listed
[05:16] <holstein> THEN
[05:16] <holstein> if it is
[05:16] <holstein> you can run
[05:16] <holstein> aplay -l
[05:17] <HoboCannibaL> what does aplay -l do?
[05:17] <holstein> that will tell information about the sound hardware
[05:17] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: you know the sudo command?
[05:17] <HoboCannibaL> what about the keyboard hardware...thats where im having trouble finding the drivers...
[05:17] <HoboCannibaL> all my hotkeys are out of whack
[05:17] <HoboCannibaL> no i do not know sudo
[05:18] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: sudo is one you would want to be careful with
[05:18] <HoboCannibaL> how come?
[05:18] <holstein> sudo is super user do
[05:18] <HoboCannibaL> oh
[05:18] <holstein> basically gives you permission to break more things ;)
[05:18] <HoboCannibaL> lol....
[05:18] <holstein> sometimes you need it
[05:19] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: so, in the terminal there
[05:19] <holstein> run
[05:19] <holstein> ls
[05:19] <holstein> that will list files and directories
[05:19] <HoboCannibaL> ok it gave me some options
[05:19] <holstein> you can cd into one
[05:19] <holstein> like
[05:19] <holstein> cd Documents
[05:20] <ddecator> cd Doc<tab>
[05:20] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: also, the command line lets you use tab to auto complete
[05:20] <holstein> yeah, like ddecator ^^ is getting to :)
[05:21] <ddecator> tab complete with commands was one of those discoveries that made me wonder how i got along without it, haha
[05:21] <holstein> ddecator: totally
[05:21] <HoboCannibaL> its saying display all 2502 possibilities y or n
[05:21] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: you'll get the hang of it :)
[05:22] <holstein> i would say no personally
[05:22] <holstein> so as not to see the 2502 possibilities scroll by
[05:22] <ddecator> unless you like to read lists
[05:22] <holstein> BUT, it wont hurt anything
[05:22] <HoboCannibaL> now whats a command to get out of that directory and back to the main gnome terminal?
[05:22] <holstein> well, its all gnome terminal
[05:22] <holstein> you are using gnome terminal to 'see'
[05:23] <ddecator> holstein: to return to the beginning, just use "cd"
[05:23] <HoboCannibaL> ok
[05:24] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: thats what i would do
[05:24] <HoboCannibaL> nice...thats pretty logical hah...i need to get used to this....where is a good learning tutorial or site where i can familiarize myself
[05:24] <holstein> next time you need to make a folder
[05:24] <holstein> google how to do it in the command line
[05:24] <holstein> and do it that way :)
[05:24] <holstein> *or come ask in here
[05:24] <HoboCannibaL> ok... thanx for the help...its actually helpful hah
[05:25] <HoboCannibaL> as far as hard linux operating systems what would u recommend...?
[05:25] <holstein> you mean challenging?
[05:25] <HoboCannibaL> lol...yes...one that is non gui
[05:26] <holstein> ive heard doing an arch install is very educational
[05:26] <holstein> and the docs are great
[05:27] <HoboCannibaL> holstein: i currently have dual booting options for windows and ubuntu....mainly cuz i do have some games and some programs that only run on windows....i did install Wine, but that doesn't run the games
[05:28] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: i would pick something easy
[05:28] <HoboCannibaL> is there something i can get to emulate windows so i don't have to keep switching between the two operating systems
[05:28] <holstein> maybe a simple game
[05:28] <holstein> or the windows version of firefox
[05:28] <holstein> whatever
[05:29] <holstein> and get that running in wine
[05:29] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: theres virtualbox
[05:29] <holstein> and vmware
[05:29] <holstein> and others
[05:29] <holstein> to emulate windows
[05:29] <holstein> BUT, you wont want to game in there
[05:29] <HoboCannibaL> ok
[05:30] <HoboCannibaL> i mean i can just have both operating systems i guess....if its just easier to game in windows i mean lol
[05:30] <holstein> i usually refer to http://appdb.winehq.org/
[05:30] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: depending on the games, i think its still sometimes the only way
[05:30] <holstein> native windows install
[05:30] <holstein> BUT, its getting better all the time
[05:30] <holstein> and now, you can plan ahead
[05:31] <holstein> and buy games that support linux
[05:31] <holstein> like http://www.wolfire.com/humble
[05:31] <HoboCannibaL> yeah....how are linux games? graphic wise?
[05:31] <holstein> HoboCannibaL: depends on the game really
[05:32] <holstein> if you mean, are they janky somehow
[05:32] <holstein> nah
[05:32] <holstein> if games getting written for the platform
[05:32] <holstein> they are fine
[05:32] <ddecator> they're only janky if they require WINE
[05:32] <HoboCannibaL> gotcha
[05:32] <holstein> ddecator: hehe
[05:32] <holstein> graphics drivers can still be an issue
[05:32] <ddecator> how steam is ever considered acceptable when running it through WINE is beyond me
[05:33] <HoboCannibaL> yeah, i got the graphics driver, that was the easiest one to get hah
[05:34] <HoboCannibaL> i do notice like with u-tube and other visually demanding applications....they look great....don't notice a difference at all on that aspect of converting from windows to ubuntu
[05:35] <ddecator> adobe finally stepped up
[06:42] <arvind_tr> can somebody tell me how to install micro SD card reader
[06:50] <duanedesign> hello av
[06:50] <duanedesign> patience young grasshopper
[11:29] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:59] <kristian-aalborg> hi duanedesign
[12:11] <r4y> hello
[12:12] <r4y> I got a simple question
[12:13] <r4y> I am using GIMP and I am using pencil and I want to do the color red but instead it is doing brown which some of the image has brown in it
[12:14] <r4y> I want to make the background transparent so I have been choosing a color not used in the image.
[12:14] <r4y> How do I get GIMP not to do this?
[12:14] <r4y> This is one of the reasons I also have KolourPaint installed
[12:15] <r4y> The other is because KolourPaint has the pencil set to 1 pixel.
[12:22] <duanedesign> hello
[12:23] <duanedesign> r4y: you want the pencil to draw red instead of brown?
[12:24] <r4y> hello, someone on the ubuntu channel answered my question
[12:24] <r4y> image->mode->rgb
[12:24] <r4y> some images are indexed. meaning they only have a certain number of colors. changing to rgb means you get all the rgb colors.
[12:24] <r4y> that was what I put into a text file for future reference
[12:25] <r4y> I am going to finish this image real quick
[12:25] <duanedesign> r4y: and did you figure out how to change the diameter of the pencil?
[12:25] <r4y> I already knew how
[12:26] <duanedesign> ok, great
[12:26] <duanedesign> happy gimping
[12:26] <duanedesign> :P
[12:26] <r4y> it's that when I close and re-open gimp the settings go back to default
[12:26] <duanedesign> i see
[12:26] <r4y> gimp is great
[12:36] <r4y> I just wanted simple icons
[12:37] <r4y> http://imagebin.org/143823
[12:37] <r4y> http://imagebin.org/143824
[12:38] <r4y> These are images I captured from the Ultima 6, 7 and 8 games and made into icons
[12:38] <r4y> I've been working on them off and on
[12:38] <r4y> Finally I just added transparency to them
[12:40] <r4y> Hmm, I don't know if you miss understood me.
[12:40] <r4y> it's that when I close and re-open gimp the settings go back to default
[12:40] <r4y> I just finished putting together some icons.
[12:41] <r4y> >	I am a beginner at best
[12:43] <duanedesign> are thise images icons you have done?
[12:46] <r4y> I used DOSBox to take screenshots from Ultima 6, 7 and 8 and messed around with the screenshots
[12:46] <r4y> so no, but kind of
[12:48] <r4y> I resized them all
[12:48] <r4y> added a blue sort of flame around the silver shield
[12:49] <r4y> added more blue around the Ultima 6 sheild
[12:49] <r4y> I remember having trouble with resizing and colors
[12:49] <r4y> I used gimp's many features to fix the colors
[12:56] <r4y> I was looking for a way to play games in DOSBox and be able to do save states
[12:56] <r4y> frontend or not
[12:57] <r4y> Apparently DOSBox doesn't have that feature
[12:58] <r4y> Some games are crazy hard.
[12:58] <r4y> DGEN is pretty hard
[12:58] <r4y> well it is D-Generation actually
[12:58] <r4y> the exe is DGEN
[12:59] <r4y> I thought that the DGEN emulator for Sega Genesis games had the same name until I was Googling
[13:06] <r4y> http://portableapps.com/node/17970#comment-158243
[13:09] <r4y> http://www.gimpchat.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=205
[13:09] <r4y> I will try that
[13:14] <r4y> OK, duh!, In GIMP edit preferences, Tool options, save tool options now
[13:20] <r4y> Well, I should go to get sleep soon here
[13:25] <r4y> I don't have to keep downloading KolourPaint now, but I do recommend KolourPaint as a great substitute for MSPaint from windows which which is simple
[13:27] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[13:29] <yonij> hi
[13:30] <yonij> am trying to make a hello world kernel module..but the make is failing..
[13:30] <yonij> help lease
[13:31] <duanedesign> what is the error you are geting?
[13:31] <yonij> ubuntu 10.10 , made a hello.c file , made a Makefile , ....module.h not found
[13:33] <yonij> and this : No rule to make target ..in the header path
[13:37] <yonij> do I need to gcc the helloworld file b4 make ?
[13:38] <yonij> duanedesign, I have mutiple ver headers in that /usr/src/...hope that wont be an issue
[13:50] <yonij> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `kernel/bounds.c', needed by `kernel/bounds.s'.
[13:50] <yonij> I get this if i use sudo along with the previous one
[13:51] <gooner> have a issue with Ubuntu booting
[13:51] <gooner> it always boots only in command line
[13:56] <duanedesign> yonij: hmm, i am not sure
[13:56] <duanedesign> gooner: from the commandline does the command:   startx
[13:56] <duanedesign> work?
[13:57] <gooner> duanedesign : will try now
[13:57] <yonij> sudo ?
[13:57] <gooner> duanedesign : its gone blank
[13:58] <duanedesign> gooner: has it ever booted properly or is this a new install?
[13:59] <gooner> duanedesign : a new install
[13:59] <gooner> ordered a CD and installed from it
[14:00] <duanedesign> its not the server version is it?
[14:02] <duanedesign> gooner: you might look through the X log. You can get it with the command:   cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:03] <gooner> ok
[14:06] <duanedesign> gooner: Is your CD Ubuntu Server?
[14:07] <gooner> nope, its desktop
[14:08] <duanedesign> gooner: moght see if it still has internet access and run updates with the command:  sudo apt-get update; sudo oapt-get upgrade
[14:08] <gooner> it doesnt have
[14:10] <duanedesign> gooner: does it show any error messages when booting?
[14:12] <gooner> nope
[14:12] <duanedesign> gooner: does this command say State:Installed  -   aptitude show gdmaptitude show gdm
[14:12] <duanedesign> aptitude show gdm
[14:13] <gooner> trying
[14:14] <gooner> i executed "aptitude show gdm"
[14:14] <gooner> it says :
[14:14] <gooner> The program 'aptitude' can be foudn in the following packages :
[14:14] <gooner>   * aptitude
[14:14] <gooner>   * aptitude-gtk
[14:16] <gooner> also if I leave the command line untouched for sometime, it goes blank after sometime
[14:19] <duanedesign> hmm, strange
[14:19] <duanedesign> sounds like it did not insstall all the way
[14:21] <yofel> duanedesign: aptitude isn't installed by default
[14:21] <yofel> (since maverick)
[14:21] <yofel> (on desktop systems)
[14:21] <duanedesign> yofel: ahhh, you are right
[14:21] <gooner> ok
[14:21] <gooner> so then any ideas ?
[14:21] <yofel> gooner: what does apt-cache policy gdm say for the 'installed' version?
[14:23] <gooner> trying
[14:24] <gooner> gdm:
[14:24] <gooner>   Installed: 2.30.5-0ubuntu4
[14:24] <yofel> hm, ok... try: sudo service gdm start
[14:25] <yofel> if it's already running try restart
[14:26] <gooner> the screen has gone blank now ... I did not execute anything
[14:27] <gooner> its just that if I leave it idle for sometime, it goes blank
[14:27] <yofel> that's the terminal screensaver, just press a key
[14:27] <gooner> still
[14:27] <gooner> have to restart I think
[14:27] <yofel> hm, so restarting gdm didn't help?
[14:28] <gooner> i did not execute any command
[14:28] <gooner> will restart the system now
[14:28] <yofel> well, then execute: sudo service gdm restart
[14:28] <gooner> ok
[14:28] <yofel> that won't reboot your system
[14:28] <yofel> only try to restart X
[14:28] <gooner> the screen has gone blank and am not able to get the command line back
[14:28] <gooner> so restarted the system
[14:29] <gooner> will execute that command now
[14:29] <gooner> btw, I executed "sudo start gdm" before and even that blanked the system
[14:29] <gooner> found one line : http://tutorial.downloadatoz.com/how-to-fix-black-screen-issue-when-installing-ubuntu-10-10.html
[14:29] <yofel> ah, that does the same
[14:29] <yofel> hm...
[14:30] <gooner> ya...its gone blank again
[14:30] <gooner> is that link relevant ?
[14:30] <yofel> what graphics card do you have?
[14:31] <gooner> have not checked yet
[14:31] <yofel> 'lspci | grep VGA' will tell
[14:31] <gooner> ok
[14:31] <gooner> the screen is blank now
[14:32] <gooner> have to restart again
[16:17] <Lorizean> i'm having a problem with window-size under maverick on my 800x600 netbook. Some windows (e.g. the evolution setup assistant) are too big to be displayed and they dont resize, meaning i cannot see the buttons i gotta click
[16:18] <holstein> Lorizean: i usually hold the alt key
[16:18] <holstein> click and drag the window up
[16:18] <holstein> or around so i can see what i need to see
[16:19] <Lorizean> woah, i didnt know that was possible... still noobing around. thanks
[16:19] <holstein> Lorizean: anytime :)
[16:25] <surbs> So, I want to install ubuntu as a dual boot along side Win7. I have a raid5 (5 harddrives). I was curious as to how much space I should allocate to each drive when prompted by ubuntu to partition. Is there a reference to how to install onto a raid5 with dual boot?
[16:28] <ikt> mmm raid 5
[16:33] <iggy19> surbs: ubuntu should live in 20 gigs pretty happily.  Maybe give it a bit more if you want to store a ton of stuff on your desktop/in your home directory.  What I have done in dual-boot configs is to give each OS what it needs plus some, then set up most of the rest of my space as a data partition that can be accessed by both OS's, so that you can work on the same stuff in either OS.  Aside from some games, you will probably find you can do everything
[16:33] <alexbuntu> hi all
[16:34] <alexbuntu> im running ubuntu 10.10 as live-system on a pretty new sony vaio
[16:34] <alexbuntu> everything works fine except the touchpad
[16:38] <surbs> anyone here
[16:39] <surbs> i need help!
[16:39] <aveilleux> !ask | surbs
[16:39] <ubot2> surbs: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[16:41] <alexbuntu> so is there any way of making this touchpad work?
[16:42] <surbs> i have raid5 and win7 installed, I want to create a dual boot between the two, can you please either reffer me to a detailed outline of how to install / partition the drives, that way i know what to select in order to ensure maximized performance of ubuntu
[16:42] <surbs> I am more or less having troubles knowing how much space to allocate to each drive
[16:45] <iggy19> surbs: not sure what you mean "each drive" --> in a RAID setup the drives should all look like one device to the system
[16:45] <surbs> yeah, thats what happens when i installed win7
[16:45] <iggy19> if you mean, how much to devote to each OS, see my response to your first questions 18 minutes ago
[16:45] <surbs> but when I go to install ubuntu
[16:46] <surbs> yeah, i accidentally exited out of the tab
[16:46] <iggy19> ah
[16:46] <surbs> can you re-post please
[16:46] <surbs> sorry bout that!
[16:46] <iggy19> surbs: ubuntu should live in 20 gigs pretty happily.  Maybe give it a bit more if you want to store a ton of stuff on your desktop/in your home directory.  What I have done in dual-boot configs is to give each OS what it needs plus some, then set up most of the rest of my space as a data partition that can be accessed by both OS's, so that you can work on the same stuff in either OS.  Aside from some games, you will probably find you can do everything
[16:46] <iggy19> surbs: np
[16:48] <surbs> alright, here let me restart and boot up from ubuntu and I can more or less write down what is happening. See i understand what you mean as the harddisks should show up as "one" but that is not what happened as it did when installing win7
[16:48] <surbs> instead i see all 5 drives
[16:48] <iggy19> if the partitioner is seeing all 5 drives as independant.... I'm not sure why that is.  I've very little direct raid experience.  Is it a true hardware raid controller, or is win7 creating a "soft raid" array?
[16:48] <surbs> and it has me selecting options
[16:48] <iggy19> what options?
[16:49] <surbs> like to allocate /home
[16:49] <surbs> and some other things
[16:49] <surbs> i cant remeber, if i restart and then write it down
[16:49] <surbs> will you still be here
[16:49] <aveilleux> surbs: Are you in the LiveCD now?
[16:49] <iggy19> sure, that's reaosnable.  You need to tell the system how much to allocate to /home -- that's your personal data storage under ubuntu - yo uhave to decide how much space yo uneed for that
[16:49] <surbs> no, im on win7 using mIRC
[16:50] <aveilleux> gross
[16:50] <surbs> hahaha
[16:50] <iggy19> lol
[16:50] <surbs> <3
[16:50] <surbs> i use win7 so i can play crysis2 XD
[16:50] <surbs> but i want to start moving into programing
[16:50] <aveilleux> No, I mean "gross" to mIRC
[16:50] <surbs> ahhh
[16:50] <aveilleux> Since it's an awful program
[16:51] <surbs> ahh, well i used to us it when i played computer games hardcore so its all i really know as far as IRC haha
[16:51] <surbs> aight, I will brb
[16:51] <iggy19> I'm sure with some quality therapy it could learn to be a better program!
[16:51] <surbs> hahahaaha
[16:51] <surbs> in due time
[16:51] <surbs> in due time
[16:51] <surbs> aigh ill brb
[16:52]  * iggy19 makes bad joke
[16:57] <trinikrono> iggy19: are you good with bug triage?
[17:01] <alexbuntu> i got a sony vaio jogdial touchpad which is not doing a thing. does anybody know how to make it work?
[17:03] <surbs> ok back!
[17:06] <surbs> so... when i get to "Install" it ask's "Erase & use entire disk" or "specify partitions manually..." I choose "specifiy sparitions manually" and the next tab is "Allocate Drive Space." The it shows /dev/sda..../dev/sde (all five harddrives) and has an option that says select "New Partition Table (the confusing part to me)" what should i do under this tab given that i have 5 harddrives?
[17:06] <surbs> and why dont all five harddrives list as just "/dev/sda" ? lastly there is the option "Bootloader" where i am assuming that you specifiy which harddrive has the dual bootup?
[17:07] <aveilleux> surbs: It sounds like you don't have a real hardware RAID controller, but rather a software RAID setup through  Windows. Am I right?
[17:08] <surbs> i think you are correct, but what is interesting is...
[17:08] <surbs> in bios i have it set to raid
[17:08] <surbs> and i have L-1 through L-5
[17:08] <surbs> but... when I did install win7
[17:08] <surbs> I had to load a driver inorder for the harddrives to be reconginzed as one
[17:08] <surbs> so in win7 I have 1.2Tb of space
[17:09] <trinikrono> most of the time they only support windows for the raid ..
[17:09] <trinikrono> imaginary raid
[17:09] <aveilleux> surbs: Yeah, so you probably won't be able to have a pure RAID setup. At least, not initially.
[17:09] <surbs> how can i change this?
[17:09] <surbs> i want pure raid =(
[17:09] <surbs> hahaha
[17:09] <aveilleux> surbs: Buy a RAID controller
[17:10] <surbs> ahhh
[17:10] <surbs> ok, is it really worth it
[17:10] <surbs> ?
[17:10] <surbs> or is that something you should just invest into if you are planning on running a server?
[17:11] <surbs> more or less are you going to NOTICE a huge difference?, and what does this mean for my ubuntu install?
[17:11] <aveilleux> surbs: I don't know, is the cost of any of these http://www.newegg.com/store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=410 worth having a drive-spanning storage space?
[17:12] <aveilleux> surbs: Generally, RAID arrays perform better than single drives, especially if the data being accessed happens to be stored in different drives
[17:12] <surbs> yeah i understand that, but more or less
[17:12] <surbs> what i was curious about is..
[17:12] <surbs> whats is the difference between "imaginary"
[17:13] <surbs> (software raid)
[17:13] <surbs> vs. true raid
[17:13] <aveilleux> surbs: the "imaginary" RAIDS are handled through software, rather than a dedicated hardware device
[17:13] <aveilleux> surbs: Hardware RAIDs perform better
[17:14] <surbs> ahh, hmm
[17:14] <surbs> hahaha, i guess a new investment is on its way
[17:14] <trinikrono> ubuntu does software raid also, i believe its on the alternative cd
[17:15] <surbs> do you happen to have the link?
[17:15] <surbs> im lazy XD
[17:15] <trinikrono> you can look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[17:16] <trinikrono> aveilleux: let me ask you something, are you good with bug triage?
[17:16] <surbs> okies, thank you soo much for the help! I will prolly be back in forth between the next couple of days as this is my new discovery
[17:17] <aveilleux> trinikrono: Negatory
[17:17] <surbs> go free software project! yay!
[17:17] <trinikrono> okie
[17:17] <trinikrono> ping ddecator :D
[17:26] <suprengr> was thinking of putting 'home' directory on separate partition to use on other versions.  do I copy current home/... or myusername/ [under home] to new partition?
[17:30] <aveilleux> suprengr: Copy the whole /home partition
[17:38] <suprengr> aveilleux: thanks a million
[17:49] <suprengr> whoops - missing something here... trying: sudo su -c 'chown -R xxx:xxx /sda2/_HOME_'[sudo] password for xxx: chown: cannot access `/sda2/_HOME_': No such file or directory
[17:50] <aveilleux> suprengr: It's not mounted on /sda2...
[17:51] <suprengr> aveilleux: that was my 1st thought.. but it is
[17:54] <suprengr> aveilleux: whoops! my bad!... not sda2 [good ol' gparted!]  ;)
[17:55] <aveilleux> suprengr: It may be sda2, but it's not mounted AT /sda2... probably more like /media/whatever or /mnt/whatever
[17:58] <wrecks> Can anyone offer some guidance on connecting to a virtual host?
[18:01] <wrecks> Or, troubleshooting web connectivity to a new website?
[18:01] <aveilleux> wrecks: Virtual host as in, Apache? VBox?
[18:01] <wrecks> Apache
[18:01] <aveilleux> wrecks: First question, do you have multiple domain names with different content?
[18:02] <wrecks> single domain name, but I'm running different web services on that one server (ie Webmin at port 10000, firefly on 3689, ect)
[18:02] <aveilleux> wrecks: Ahh. Have you messed around in ports.conf?
[18:03] <suprengr> bbl
[18:03] <wrecks> Uh...not yet--I'm using Webmin's firewall to configure ports stuff
[18:03] <aveilleux> wrecks: Oh, webmin... I know very little of that.
[18:03] <wrecks> Fair enough--thanks though
[18:04] <wrecks> FWIW, webmin works fine.  I just can't seem to connect to the website
[18:04] <wrecks> (the website I'm developing, that is)
[18:04] <aveilleux> wrecks: No problem... I've configured Apache manually, but webmin is something I've never looked at
[18:05] <wrecks> Yeah, just checked ports.conf, and I've got it listening on that port "Listen *:10666"
[18:05] <wrecks> But...that listen directive isn't attached to the right Vhost...maybe that's it...
[18:07] <wrecks> Should NameVirtualHost be the name of the respective .conf file in sites-enabled?
[18:08] <aveilleux> wrecks: I've always left that alone, since I've never messed with ports
[18:08] <wrecks> Got it.  I've set it up this way since it's an outward facing system and I'm a little nutty about keeping it secure
[18:11] <aveilleux> wrecks: Fair enough. Though if you don't have any other ports forwarded than what you need, and only run the outward-facing services as nonprivelaged accounts, you should be fine.
[18:12] <aveilleux> wrecks: ie. change the SSH port and disallow login by the user who can use sudo, etc.
[18:13] <wrecks> True.  I've just built this server, so my network architecture was somewhat in flux--I haven't quite decided on whether I'll be using it ahead of the router or behind it (the router currently acts as the main firewall)
[18:14] <wrecks> Basically, I'm forwarding and opening ports as needed.  Everything has worked up to this point--this damned apache setup is making me nuts
[18:14] <ddecator> trinikrono: pong
[18:15] <trinikrono> ddecator: i am thinking, if i have someone who is interested in bug triage but finds the process difficult should i tell them to come to the beginners team?
[18:17] <ddecator> trinikrono: well, we're trying to get more linked with the BugSquad and start helping with triage, but that is still in the process of being setup so i'm not sure it's the best option atm. it might be better to have them ask questions in -bugs and/or join that group mentoring team. also, have them tell us what they are finding difficult about it. we're planning on re-structuring the wiki so it's more user-friendly
[18:17] <trinikrono> ddecator: i joined the alpha group but its not me im worried about :D
[18:40] <ubuntuchosen> Hello
[18:40] <ubuntuchosen> Is there anybody who could help me with my fglrx problem?
[18:41] <ubuntuchosen> i installed ubuntu 10.10 x64 on my machine
[18:41] <ubuntuchosen> then installed the fglrx driver from the restricted drivers menu
[18:41] <ubuntuchosen> now when i boot into the system, my monitor says that the screen is not supported
[18:41] <ubuntuchosen> so how can i change the resolution or somethingl ike that so it will work?
[18:50] <meditatingfrog> i'm not sure, ubuntuchosen, but xorg.conf is how it used to get fixed.  have you tried investigating (sleuthing?) preferences > monitors ?
[18:50] <ubuntuchosen> i cant get to the GUI of ubuntu
[18:50] <ubuntuchosen> only to the terminal
[18:51] <meditatingfrog> what video card?  maybe there is something on ubuntuforums.org
[18:51] <ubuntuchosen> meditatingfrog: AMD radeon HD 6850, but i got it working in some previous installations
[18:52] <meditatingfrog> i never had to install fglrx, would just enable desktop effects before
[18:52] <meditatingfrog> but i haven't messed with 3d stuff since 8.04
[18:53] <ubuntuchosen> meditatingfrog: i just reinstall ubuntu and install the drivers an another way
[18:53] <meditatingfrog> i mean, i have integrated intel graphics, so desktop effects is all i use
[19:00] <aveilleux> meditatingfrog: You can use jockey-gtk, found in System > Administration > Additional Drivers
[19:00] <aveilleux> er
[19:00] <meditatingfrog> aveilleux: he's gone
[19:01] <aveilleux> Oh, they're gone anyway
[19:01] <aveilleux> lame
[20:21] <suprengr> aveilleux: if you're still watching channel... thankyou very much.  chmod'd ok, partition grown [good ol' gparted live cd] and current 'home' copied across with grsync... cheers!
[20:26] <aveilleux> suprengr: 'welcome
[20:43] <KinkyPinkie> anyone good at grub?
[20:45] <yofel> KinkyPinkie: depends on your problem
[20:49] <KinkyPinkie> i had grub2 before i dualbooted w7 with 10.4 the first time, then after running 10.4 ad going back into w7 grub was wrecked. my friend helped me fix it and then i had grub-legacy it all worked out fine until recently I decided to tripleboot with 10.10. I removed the dell-utility parition to get room for 10.10 (my other friend suggested I might have done wrong there and should have killed the recovery partition instead)
[20:50] <KinkyPinkie> swapping between lunix workedout fine, until I jumped over to w7 again tonight. now grub don't work again
[20:50] <KinkyPinkie> I a trying the guide http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide getting grub2, but mounting seems to be a problem.
[20:51] <KinkyPinkie> sda1 is flagged as boot, but I cant seem to get anything past the first step in the guide to work
[20:53] <yofel> hm, I remember an issue with some windows applications messing with grub2
[20:54] <aveilleux> yofel: Windows install breaks GRUB
[20:55] <yofel> aveilleux: not only that, I had an issue where photoshop for example wrote some copyright data into the sectors used by grub2
[20:55] <yofel> since grub2 is larger than grub-legacy
[20:55] <yofel> you end up without any working boot manager
[20:56] <aveilleux> yofel: What. That's stupid.
[20:56] <yofel> KinkyPinkie: which step worked for you? only the booting, or did you start the chroot steps?
[20:57] <KinkyPinkie> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt was the only one. I got a text from my friend now (he who fixed it the first time) he said he booted from recovery disc first. maybe I should try that?
[20:59] <yofel> can't give an advice there, I don't have any recovery partitions here, but if you already have grub2 installed it shouldn't be necessary
[21:00] <KinkyPinkie> i dont know if grub2 is still there, as i said, i have been running legacy for a while
[21:01] <yofel> hm, I don't know how to find out what's currently installed, but if you installed maverick using the live disk then I would guess it installed grub2
[21:02] <yofel> aveilleux: bug 441941 was my issue btw.
[21:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 441941 in grub2 "grub fails after running Windows" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441941
[21:04] <yofel> KinkyPinkie: do you know which partition your maverick install is? (or what are you running right now?)
[21:05] <KinkyPinkie> yes
[21:06] <yofel> ok, if you're on the maverick live disk currently, and you've mounted it to /mnt - what do you need help with? the --bind commands should run fine
[21:07] <KinkyPinkie> they should but they dont
[21:09] <yofel> KinkyPinkie: what error do you get?
[21:10] <KinkyPinkie> mount point does not exist
[21:11] <yofel> are you *sure* that /dev/sda1 is the right partition? does /mnt now contain a dev/ folder?
[21:15] <KinkyPinkie> i am sure, but i am not sure about the folders. /mnt ok, but /mnt/boot isn't valid
[21:15] <yofel> KinkyPinkie: what are the contents of /mnt now?
[21:17] <KinkyPinkie> do i simply "cd /mnt" ?
[21:17] <yofel> ls /mnt will show the contents too
[21:17] <KinkyPinkie> this is what I did: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ cd /mnt
[21:17] <KinkyPinkie> ubuntu@ubuntu:/mnt$ ls -a
[21:17] <KinkyPinkie> .  ..
[21:17] <KinkyPinkie> dots are output
[21:18] <yofel> then it didn't mount the partition in the first place
[21:18] <yofel> back to step ^
[21:18] <yofel> *step 1
[21:19] <KinkyPinkie> ok now that I mounted sda1 i got some stuff
[21:19] <KinkyPinkie> http://pastie.org/1690647
[21:20] <yofel> that's a Windows related partition then
[21:21] <yofel> unmount it again, and try the other ones, until you find files with 2.6.35 in their name in /mnt/boot/
[21:23] <KinkyPinkie> sda2 gives what seems to be the home folder to my w7. not that big suprise, since it's where w7 is though :P
[21:24] <KinkyPinkie> sda3 gives me one hell of a commandlist
[21:24] <KinkyPinkie> so does 4.
[21:24] <KinkyPinkie> 3 and 4 have my linux
[21:25] <yofel> as I said, check the files in /mnt/boot, one will have 2.6.32 files, the other one (that you need) 2.6.35
[21:26] <KinkyPinkie> i cant find any /mnt/boot
[21:26] <KinkyPinkie> ohwait
[21:26] <yofel> but you said 3 and 4 are linux? then they'll have a boot folder
[21:26] <KinkyPinkie> i was looking at the wrong thing
[21:26] <KinkyPinkie> i found my boot folder
[21:26] <KinkyPinkie> sec
[21:27] <KinkyPinkie> ok this is strange. i cant access the boot
[21:28] <KinkyPinkie> it tells me "no such file or directory" when it looks like it's there
[21:28] <yofel> o.O
[21:30] <KinkyPinkie> the boot folder had a capital B, and there's no 2.6.35 in it
[21:30] <yofel> *that* boot folder seems to be from windows, so you're on the wrong partition
[21:30] <yofel> the linux boot folder is lowercase
[21:31] <KinkyPinkie> the only place I find any boot folder is in the sda1 wich is flagged as boot
[21:32] <yofel> what's flagged as boot doesn't interest grub much, it's installed in the MBR and gets loaded by the bios
[21:33] <aveilleux> As long as the drive with GRUB on its MBR is flagged for boot
[21:33] <yofel> ah right, correct
[21:33] <yofel> KinkyPinkie: what are the contents fo sda3 and sda4?
[21:35] <KinkyPinkie> s3 is split into 10.4 and linux-swap (not sure what it is) and sda4 holds 10.10
[21:35] <yofel> ok, can you mount sda4? that should have the boot folder you need
[21:35] <aveilleux> KinkyPinkie: 10.04* the digits are significant
[21:36] <KinkyPinkie> sorry i wasn't aware
[21:44] <KinkyPinkie> i have no clue what just happened, after a million tries, my sda4 was able to mount
[21:44] <KinkyPinkie> http://pastie.org/1690707
[21:45] <yofel> KinkyPinkie: good, now continue with the steps on the website (bind mounting /dev)
[21:45] <KinkyPinkie> thanks I will try them :)
[22:00] <Guest43698> Hi I am a beginner in IRC chatting and am just trying it out
[22:00] <jledbetter> Guest43698, Hi there
[22:00] <Guest43698> hey :)
[22:00] <Guest43698> question - how'd u type my username so fast?
[22:01] <geirha> gu<tab>
[22:01] <Guest43698> oh i see, so it autocompletes based on the most likely result
[22:01] <Guest43698> thank you geirha
[22:02] <Guest43698> see i did it myself! im already learning. thank you
[22:02] <geirha> You'd hit <tab> to cycle through all nicks starting with "gu"
[22:02] <geirha> *hit tab multiple times
[22:02] <geirha> :)
[22:03] <Guest43698> ok that is pretty useful
[22:03] <yofel> depends on the client, some will cycle through, some will complete the longes unique part and then show you the multiple choice on how to continue
[22:03] <Guest43698> you know , there are really so many charitable people when it comes to linux in general
[22:03] <Guest43698> ive just found that out
[22:03] <yofel> *longest
[22:03] <geirha> Maybe you want to change to a prettier nick?
[22:03] <Guest43698> haha yeah I suppose that's likely I would want to do that
[22:04] <Guest43698> i loged on and it said something about not identifying myself
[22:04] <geirha> /nick   followed by the wanted nick
[22:04] <pratzl> wow there i go
[22:04] <pratzl> now i am this name
[22:05] <pratzl> yofel i think that i have a client that does what youve described
[22:05] <geirha> excellent
[22:05] <pratzl> im on xchat
[22:05] <pratzl> thanks geirha
[22:05] <yofel> yep, xchat will do the latter way, I'm on quassel, which cycles through the names
[22:06] <pratzl> which way have you found to be most efficient?
[22:08] <pratzl> would you say that i am on the best channel for my interest? is this channel dedicated to ubuntu problems mostly? sorry
[23:53] <johnny77> I'm looking at the system requirements for Firefox. Under Windows and Mac it list stuff like processor and RAM. Why does it not list this under Linux?
[23:53] <aveilleux> johnny77: If your computer can run Ubuntu, it can run Firefox.
[23:54] <aveilleux> johnny77: Also, this is because Mozilla does not distribute an official version for any of the distributions. The performance requirements may be different depending on your environment.
[23:56] <johnny77> aveilleux: ok, thanks.