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| psusi | god damn I love emacs! | 00:19 |
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| psusi | diff-mode for the winz | 00:21 |
| psusi | worked up a patch the other day to add an argument to a signal upwer emits over dbus... decided to change it from a string to a uint today... open the quilt patch, scan the lines I changed, tap C-c on each that might need modified to jump to the code, make change if needed, rinse, repeat, finally quilt refresh. patch converted in under a minute | 00:26 |
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| ScottK | cjwatson: kdm's uploaded. Thanks for the patch. | 01:17 |
| bdrung | smoser: i came to an different conclusion for bug #736326 ;) | 01:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 736326 in txt2regex (Ubuntu) "typo in repetition subwindows" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736326 | 01:18 |
| smoser | bdrung, oh? | 01:19 |
| psusi | if the current maverick version is 0.9.5-4, then backporting a fix would bump the rev to what? ubuntu1, or ubuntu0.1? | 01:20 |
| bdrung | smoser: fix it and make it sound better and then forwarding it | 01:20 |
| bdrung | psusi: -4ubuntu0.1 | 01:20 |
| psusi | k... | 01:21 |
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| smoser | oh. sorry. i just assumed the bug opener spoke language. | 01:21 |
| smoser | i do not. | 01:21 |
| smoser | but yeah, forwarding to debian is correct, definitely. thank you. | 01:22 |
| bdrung | smoser: his fix was correct. i only improved it further | 01:22 |
| psusi | reason #768 that quilt patches applied in bzr branches are evil: merge goes all fubar over the .pc stuff | 01:31 |
| bdrung | psusi: agreed. bzr and quilt are not a good couple | 01:43 |
| psusi | bdrung, they are a perfectly good couple.. as long as you keep the patches deapplied in the bzr repo | 01:43 |
| psusi | works great as long as you do that | 01:44 |
| bdrung | yes, but the package imported commits then applied | 01:44 |
| ScottK | All the more reason not to bother with UDD. | 01:44 |
| psusi | yea, that needs fixed... | 01:44 |
| psusi | half the packages I've been working on lately I guess someone sane manually set up the repo so they are deapplied, and the other half the auto importer imported them applied... bad auto importer | 01:45 |
| ScottK | Apparently it was thought to be a feature at one point. | 01:46 |
| ScottK | I think it's not accidental it works that way, but I gather it's being reconsidered. | 01:46 |
| * psusi takes whoever thought so out behind the tool shed | 01:46 | |
| broder | i still argue that it makes sense given that the resting state of a 3.0 (quilt) package is patches applied. if you don't like what bzr is doing, you really should be taking issue with what the source format is doing | 01:48 |
| ScottK | I do, but that horse is already out of the barn. | 01:49 |
| bdrung | broder: it's a pita to look at patches and bzr diffs! | 01:49 |
| ScottK | The only place I use v3 is where I use it due to orig.tar.bz2. | 01:49 |
| bdrung | broder: all the changes to files in .pc ... | 01:49 |
| psusi | broder, say what? | 01:50 |
| bdrung | ScottK: v3 is cool. you can configure it to apply the patches at the beginning and drop then when finished building | 01:50 |
| psusi | it is a pita to look at and adds useless bloat to have the quilt patches already applied in the repo | 01:51 |
| ScottK | bdrung: I think the idea of starting with patches applied is completely backwards. | 01:51 |
| broder | psusi: i've had this argument with you before, and in the interests of keeping the channel civil, i'm going to pass on having it again at the end of the day on a friday | 01:51 |
| * psusi can think of few better times to have such an argument ;) | 01:52 | |
| psusi | I'm now reviewing my changes before pushing to lp, and the bzr -p output from the quilt-applied package is 3x larger and nearly unreadable compared to the deapplied one | 01:53 |
| bdrung | broder: should we file a bug report requesting a change of the importer? | 01:54 |
| broder | bdrung: i'm not making a point either way. i'm strictly pointing out that you guys are complaining about the current state, whereas i'm arguing that there are a series of very reasonable decisions that get you to this state | 01:58 |
| broder | i'm also suggesting that you need to understand (even if you disagree with) those decisions in order to have a chance at coming up with a satisfactory alternative | 02:00 |
| bdrung | broder: i understand that you imported the package like dpkg-source gives them you. | 02:03 |
| bdrung | broder: you do use dpkg-source, aren't you? | 02:03 |
| broder | presumably | 02:04 |
| bdrung | you can give dpkg-source an parameter to not apply the patches and add 'unapply-patches' to debian/source/local-options | 02:05 |
| broder | sure | 02:05 |
| bdrung | then the patches are not applied in the branch and they will be applied when you build the source | 02:05 |
| bdrung | bzr bd builds the package outside the branch. therefore 'unapply-patches' in debian/source/local-options isn't required | 02:06 |
| broder | like i said, i don't actually feel like arguing about this right now, and haven't formed a well-thought out opinion on what the bzr importer in particular should do anyway | 02:06 |
| broder | i didn't actually mean to hit-and-run comment, so sorry | 02:07 |
| bdrung | broder: the question is where we should discuss this topic. in a bug report or on ubuntu-devel ML? | 02:08 |
| * psusi things u-d | 02:08 | |
| psusi | thinks even | 02:08 |
| broder | u-d will get more eyes | 02:08 |
| bdrung | psusi: do you volunteer to write the initial mail? my bed needs me... | 02:09 |
| psusi | bdrung, if someone else doesn't, I'm sure I will eventually, but I actually can't post to the list without moderation yet, so ;) | 02:10 |
| * psusi really needs to get that motu application in | 02:10 | |
| bdrung | psusi: just subscribe to it and then you can post without moderation | 02:10 |
| psusi | bdrung, I've been subscribed since like 2005.. a few years ago it went moderator and developer only and -discuss was created to be public | 02:11 |
| bdrung | wow, really? | 02:11 |
| psusi | lol... you didn't notice the reduction of noise? ;) | 02:12 |
| psusi | I'm subscribed to both and post to both, but my posts to devel sometimes don't make it at all, and if they do, take days for moderation | 02:12 |
| psusi | usually end up having a full conversation via the private Cc:s off list then a few days later, my replies finally appear on list | 02:13 |
| bdrung | psusi: my first mail to ubuntu-devel was on 2009-10-19 according to my email archive. | 02:13 |
| ScottK | bdrung: There's a UDD mail list that would be the best place to send it. | 02:13 |
| psusi | ohh, heh | 02:13 |
| psusi | there is? hrm... I should get on that | 02:14 |
| ScottK | The issue has been discussed before. | 02:14 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 02:14 |
| bdrung | ScottK: my suggestion: use dpkg-source with '--no-preparation' - that's what sponsor-patch does | 02:16 |
| psusi | hrm... all of my mailing list folders won't fit on the screen anymore if I sign up for 2-3 more ;) | 02:16 |
| ScottK | bdrung: Thanks. I'll have to try that. | 02:16 |
| psusi | at least I stopped drinking from the lkml fire hose | 02:17 |
| psusi | ok... complicated situation here and trying to sort out what I should do with the control fields... bug fix involves changes to 3 packages: upower, g-p-m, and indicator-session. indicator-session and g-p-m already depend on upower | 02:33 |
| psusi | I'm thinking I should update those two depends to require the new version or greater, and add a Breaks: to upower for older versions of both upower and indicator-session, is that right? | 02:33 |
| andersk | Why did ghc6 6.12.3-1ubuntu6 change the ABI hash of unix from 49642 to e3bae? In any event, that means that all the rdeps of libghc6-unix-dev-2.4.0.2-49642 need to be rebuilt. | 02:38 |
| Ampelbein | psusi: what does that bugfix do? does it change all 3 packages? | 02:39 |
| Ampelbein | psusi: and why 'Breaks:'? Does installing upower prevent older indicator-session versions from running? | 02:40 |
| psusi | yes, I have changed all 3 packages... I modified the dbus api between upower and g-p-m so that g-p-m will once again, properly lock the screen on suspend/hibernate. I also removed the code that was added to indicator-session to lock the screen before asking upower to hibernate that was added I think as a workaround for the fact that g-p-m was broken and not doing it | 02:43 |
| psusi | so basically you need to upgrade all 3 packages in lock step | 02:43 |
| Ampelbein | psusi: ok, sounds like your plan is right. | 02:48 |
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| bwright | Is usb-creator-gtk part of the Ubuntu project or is it an additional third party app? | 08:34 |
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| cjwatson | ScottK: kdm> great, thank you | 10:46 |
| cjwatson | pitti: how is it possible to recover from http://launchpadlibrarian.net/66694492/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-powerpc.atk1.0_1.33.6-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? | 11:06 |
| cjwatson | pitti: since atk1.0 is out of sync, libatk1.0-0 is uninstallable on powerpc | 11:07 |
| cjwatson | pitti: cdbs Depends: python-scour Depends: python-rsvg Depends: librsvg2-common Depends: libgtk2.0-0 Depends: libatk1.0-0 | 11:07 |
| cjwatson | pitti: (this is bad for bootstrapping new architectures, too) | 11:08 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: bug #734471; I think the quickest way to recover is to upload cdbs w/o the python-scour dep | 11:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 734471 in cdbs (Ubuntu Natty) "cdbs python-scour dependency makes fontconfig unbuildable" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/734471 | 11:24 |
| slangasek | (and then readd it after, I guess, until a better solution is found) | 11:25 |
| cjwatson | well, the bootstrapping problem will still be there | 11:29 |
| cjwatson | I'll note that in the bug | 11:30 |
| sabdfl | hello folks | 11:56 |
| sladen | hello Makr | 11:57 |
| Kre10s | I have a question about packaging. If a hardware manufacturer provides an open source driver... who is responsible for packaging it? | 12:22 |
| Kre10s | Am I allowed to package it? | 12:22 |
| Ampelbein | Kre10s: if the license allows redistribution, yes. | 12:23 |
| Kre10s | should I just read the license or send the manufacturer an email? | 12:24 |
| sladen | Kre10s: yes, of course. Try packaging it and getting into a PPA ... check with #ubuntu-motu (Masters of the Universe) if you need help checking the licence to see if you're allowed to | 12:24 |
| sladen | Kre10s: have you got a URL to the licence? | 12:24 |
| Kre10s | hmm. i'll go get one. | 12:24 |
| Kre10s | heres the product http://www.peak-system.com/fileadmin/media/linux/index.htm and it says "The complete package is distributed under the GPL." GPL being a link to http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt | 12:26 |
| Kre10s | so that means i can try packaging it!?! | 12:28 |
| Kre10s | I want to package it because I'm using it allot, and its bothersome to constantly install from source. | 12:29 |
| Ampelbein | Kre10s: yes, you are allowed to package and redistribute. | 12:29 |
| Kre10s | apt-getting it would be sweetness | 12:29 |
| cjwatson | while it's possible to package it independently, you should really ask them to get it integrated into the upstream kernel | 12:29 |
| cjwatson | out-of-tree kernel drivers tend to be sadness, ultimately | 12:29 |
| Kre10s | ah. because you have to compile it for all the different kernel versions. | 12:30 |
| cjwatson | Kre10s: or, nowadays, use dkms | 12:37 |
| cjwatson | but it's still better to have it integrated upstream | 12:37 |
| Kre10s | agreed. | 12:37 |
| bdrung | hi, does anyone else have bash completion problems in natty? Try "ls /de" and then press tab | 13:01 |
| bdrung | you will get "ls /dev " instead of "ls /dev/" | 13:02 |
| ankreloaded | bdrung: no mine is just fine | 13:04 |
| Ampelbein | bdrung: works for me on natty/amd64 | 13:07 |
| bdrung | hm, maybe a configuration problem. | 13:07 |
| bdrung | do you know how to restore the configuration files of a package? | 13:07 |
| Ampelbein | bdrung: hmm, 'aptitude reinstall'? | 13:09 |
| ion | bdrung: Try resetting your .bashrc. | 13:10 |
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| bdrung | Ampelbein: that doesn't bring the config files back | 13:28 |
| Ampelbein | bdrung: 'aptitude purge && aptitude reinstall' should do. | 13:29 |
| bdrung | Ampelbein: yes, that works (but not for every kind of package - non-leaf packages) | 13:30 |
| bdrung | thanks for all your comments. purging and reinstalling bash-completion fixes my issue | 13:32 |
| chrisccoulson | bdrung, have acroread installed by any chance? | 13:38 |
| bdrung | chrisccoulson: yes | 13:38 |
| chrisccoulson | bdrung, bug 716008 | 13:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 716008 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) "strange bahavior on directory completion with bash built-in commands" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716008 | 13:38 |
| bdrung | (due to a bug in evince) | 13:38 |
| chrisccoulson | i guess i should reassign that | 13:38 |
| chrisccoulson | the acroread bash completion file is screwed | 13:38 |
| bdrung | good to know | 13:39 |
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| ScottK | slangasek: What's the issue with python-scour on powerpc? It broke my kdebase-workspace (for the kdm upstart fixes) upload? | 15:57 |
| psusi | cjwatson, ping, it's been 11 days since I made those minor cleanups you asked for in lp:~psusi/ubuntu/natty/parted/fix-dmraid and lp:~psusi/ubuntu/natty/dmraid/fixes | 16:54 |
| Ampelbein | hmm, can you access staging.lp.net via the python api? I get an "unauthorized token" error when trying 'lp-shell staging' | 17:11 |
| ScottK | Ampelbein: --> #launchpad, but I think staging was being retired. | 17:22 |
| Ampelbein | ScottK: oh, it is? thought only edge was put down. well then, testing scripts on live system ftw ;-) | 17:23 |
| Ampelbein | ScottK: thanks. | 17:23 |
| ScottK | Ampelbein: Maybe. Dunno. | 17:23 |
| ScottK | In any case, ask #launchpad. | 17:23 |
| cjwatson | psusi: thanks, I'll look at them on Monday | 17:30 |
| cjwatson | ScottK,Ampelbein: staging isn't being retired as far as I know | 17:30 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: Yes, I was confusing it with edge. | 17:30 |
| cjwatson | Ampelbein: does https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-users/msg06239.html help? | 17:30 |
| Ampelbein | cjwatson: I did that conversion already, it is working on production. just not on staging. I just wanted to know if anyone else has the same problem. 'lp-shell' works, 'lp-shell staging' doesn't. (lp-shell is in ubuntu-dev-tools) | 17:33 |
| slangasek | ScottK: circular build dependency between cdbs and the GNOME library stack due to the added feature of cleaning up SVGs at build time (bug #734471); I'd been waiting for guidance from pitti here, but we seem to be blocking/breaking enough now that I'll upload cdbs to drop this dep today and unblock us | 18:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 734471 in cdbs (Ubuntu Natty) "cdbs python-scour dependency makes fontconfig unbuildable" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/734471 | 18:44 |
| ScottK | slangasek: Thanks. | 18:44 |
| slangasek | (and then as long as I have a window where that circular dep is out of the way, I can upload fontconfig for multiarch :) | 18:45 |
| ScottK | Since I ping'ed you it also broke kdeedu. | 18:46 |
| * slangasek nods | 18:47 | |
| ScottK | slangasek: Speaking of kdeedu, it looks like there's more GL in there than we thought (see 707794) | 18:48 |
| slangasek | yep, saw your mail | 18:48 |
| ScottK | OK. | 18:48 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: (I noticed the atk1.0 side of that breakage because it broke plymouth and gdm builds, BTW) | 18:54 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: right, I'll have a go at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/natty_outdate.html once cdbs is in | 19:07 |
| Laney | oh, cdbs is broken? | 20:09 |
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| slangasek | Laney: on powerpc only; just fixed | 20:15 |
| slangasek | publishing this hour | 20:15 |
| Laney | yeah | 20:16 |
| Laney | will look out for it to mash retry | 20:16 |
| Laney | slangasek: or will you arrange a mass give-back? | 20:21 |
| slangasek | Laney: if you're around and at liberty to poke at it, I'd be grateful for the help | 20:21 |
| slangasek | I still have openjdk to try to tackle today | 20:21 |
| Laney | sure, i'll just hit it in a little while | 20:25 |
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| ScottK | slangasek: Still seems brokenish. I just retried kdebase-workspace on powerpc and got cdbs : Depends: python-scour but it is not going to be installed | 21:26 |
| ScottK | (that one would have failed anyway due to pkg-kde-tools, but that's a separate issue) | 21:26 |
| slangasek | ScottK: I'm a muppet; I removed the build-dependency but not the dependency | 21:29 |
| slangasek | so that's another hour wasted | 21:29 |
| slangasek | fixing now | 21:30 |
| ScottK | Thanks to that I discovered pkg-kde-tools needs fixing, so it's not a complete waste. | 21:30 |
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