[00:20] <shauno> so we're either gonna win, or turn into wolves and eat everyone
[00:21] <shauno> as far as I'm concerned, either would be a stellar result
[00:33] <zatan> :)
[00:44] <jacobw2> moo
[00:44] <jacobw> --screen
[01:14] <Seeker`> bah, there are wrong people on the internet
[01:14] <Seeker`> this should be fixed
[01:57] <shauno> poo :(  scandal in ppuk already
[02:00] <ali1234> what's a ppuk?
[02:01] <HazRPG> I just bought a kindle... from tescos!
[02:02] <ali1234> how much and can you use it without an amazon account?
[02:02] <HazRPG> it was £150 with 3g+wifi, but they had the one with wifi for £105
[02:03] <HazRPG> and I shall found out soon enough!
[02:05] <ali1234> oh, you bought on line?
[02:05] <ali1234> i thought you went to 24 hour tescos and bought one cash :)
[02:05] <HazRPG> I did!
[02:05] <HazRPG> that was in-store price!
[02:05] <HazRPG> I'd say it was a bargain for getting it straight in your hands
[02:06] <HazRPG> I didn't even plan to get one, was there for other things
[02:06] <ali1234> ah cool
[02:06] <HazRPG> saved me the ~£6 P&P price
[02:07] <HazRPG> wow, I'm amazed at how thin this thing actually is!
[02:07] <HazRPG> argh! holy cow!
[02:07] <HazRPG> I thought that was the sticker!
[02:07] <HazRPG> with the whole "step 1 charge your kindle"
[02:07] <HazRPG> that was before I even turned it on, etc
[02:08] <HazRPG> so I did... I pluged it on
[02:08] <HazRPG> and looked away for a moment... and then looked back was about to pear the sticker... and noticed the screen changed!
[02:08] <ali1234> it's eink
[02:08] <ali1234> it only uses power when the display is changing
[02:08] <ali1234> nifty stuff
[02:09] <HazRPG> oh yeah, I know... but I never realised it was this clear!
[02:09] <ali1234> you are making me want one
[02:09] <ali1234> but i don't like to buy stuff from amazon
[02:09] <HazRPG> heh, I got mine from tescos :P
[02:09] <ali1234> yeah
[02:09] <ali1234> they probably sell them at a loss anyway
[02:09] <ali1234> but i mean books to put on it :)
[02:10] <HazRPG> :P
[02:10] <ali1234> especially given that ebooks cost the same as regular books
[02:12] <HazRPG> I'm planning on buying ebooks from other places ;)
[02:13] <HazRPG> ali1234: dude!!!!
[02:13] <HazRPG> ali1234: you don't *need* to register this to amazon!
[02:13] <ali1234> ok ok, it's not that exciting :)
[02:13] <HazRPG> if you buy it >from< amazon, it gets set to you with your account already on it
[02:13] <HazRPG> sent*
[02:13] <HazRPG> but this way... you don't have to!
[02:13] <ali1234> so when you turn it on
[02:14] <ali1234> it doesn't force you to enter your details
[02:14] <ali1234> the sony one does
[02:14] <ali1234> can you use the free global 3g without an amazon account though?
[02:15] <HazRPG> I'm reading the startup guide... but it says "at any point you can click home and leave this guide"
[02:15] <HazRPG> so I'm going to read through, see what it all says and just click on the home - but plan NOT putting my amazon details in unless I really must
[02:16] <ali1234> considering getting the wifi only version
[02:17] <ali1234> don't really even need wifi tbh
[02:17] <ali1234> usb is fine
[02:18] <ali1234> which gen is it?
[02:19] <ali1234> ah only v3 has the 3g option
[02:25] <HazRPG> yeah, v3
[02:32] <HazRPG> ali1234: you'll be pleased to know, if you buy from tescos... you don't need to set your account :D
[02:32] <ali1234> cool
[02:34] <HazRPG> aww, but the browser won't let you use it unless you do :/
[02:35] <HazRPG> everything else seems to work though
[03:04] <HazRPG> ali1234: hmm, this thing is pretty cool though
[03:09] <HazRPG> I have a feeling, I'm going to need bigger discs
[03:09] <HazRPG> I've coasted around 3 discs now :/
[03:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] Desktop Help - http://philbull.livejournal.com/59039.html
[03:42] <HazRPG> this feels wrong... k3b seems to work so much better than brasero!
[03:43] <HazRPG> I'm a gnome guy... kde stuff shouldn't be on here >_<
[03:56] <ali1234> brasero has always sucked tho
[04:58] <HazRPG> ali1234: what do you use?
[04:58] <ali1234> i don't use cds
[04:59] <HazRPG> hmm, the 'send "I am alive" ping to canonical' app on software centre... does anyone use it?
[04:59] <HazRPG> as far as I can see, its for showing canonical how many ubuntu users there are out there...
[04:59] <ali1234> i don't use software centre either...
[04:59] <HazRPG> canonical-census is the name of the application
[05:00] <ali1234> it's for OEMs
[05:50] <HazRPG> ah
[05:50] <HazRPG> that makes more sense
[06:35] <MartijnVdS> Beautiful...
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> [    30.229] (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: [load of chipset names], Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge
[06:52] <daubers> Morning
[06:54] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:17]  * daubers checks the chilli plants and starts washing up ready to make bread
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> hm
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> I parsed that as "chilli plant" (factory) instead of "chilli plant" (green leafy thing)
[07:30] <daubers> heh
[07:46] <phonex01> hello guys
[07:47] <phonex01> good morning
[08:33] <HazRPG> morning
[08:41] <popey> morning
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> mornink
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> I want to go out for a run
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> but it's cold outside :|
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> \o/ working va-api + vlc
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> next stop: working DVB+VLC
[08:45] <HazRPG> :P
[08:46] <HazRPG> ali1234: ooo, apparently they've "jailbroke" the kindle 3
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> For some reason my DVB card doesn't always execute tuning commands properly :|
[08:46] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: typical :P
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> so I have to tune 2-3 times before I get a signal
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> (to the same channel, mind!)
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: typical? why? :)
[08:47] <popey> nice and sunny today here
[08:47] <HazRPG> same
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's nice and sunny here as well, but it's still only ~5-6°C
[08:48] <popey> heh
[08:48] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: manufacturers not sticking to standards or making them do funny things
[08:48] <popey> wonder why middle mouse click on one mac opens a new tab, middle mouse click on the other opens the widget thing
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: the same dish/switch works fine from my TV tuner
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it must be something on my DVB-S2 card
[08:48] <HazRPG> ah
[08:48] <popey> ooo, configurable
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: It's a voltage thing, I think, or interference (a PC is noisier than a TV, electronically speaking)
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> ("DiSEqC uses a pulsed (tone-burst) 22 kHz sine-wave at 0.5v peak to peak.", according to Wikipedia)
[09:08] <danfish> morning
[09:09] <danfish> who's going to the rubgy meetup then?
[09:10] <HazRPG> where's it at again?
[09:13] <danfish> Clapham Junction
[09:15] <popey> o/
[09:25] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:26] <AlanBell> o/
[09:29] <czajkowski> AlanBell: howdy
[09:30] <kazade> o/
[09:44] <daubers> bread is rising!
[09:44] <czajkowski> the 80's radio station is addictive
[09:44] <czajkowski> so want a fry up this morning
[09:45]  * AlanBell is going to a party
[09:45] <czajkowski> I miss kids parties, no way to get rice crispy cakes any other way
[09:46] <AlanBell> I think parties need more jelly and ice cream
[09:46] <AlanBell> there will be chocolate brownie cake with icing and buttons on top
[09:47] <czajkowski> not a love of brownies, find them too heavy.
[09:47] <czajkowski> I could polish off a bucket of cocktail saussages and rice crispy cakes
[09:56] <AlanBell> we do have 40 cocktail sausages, not sure about rice crispy cakes
[09:56] <czajkowski> whoo
[09:56] <czajkowski> nyommy
[09:57] <czajkowski> had nandos as well last night, that place is soo friggin busy and so tasty
[10:45] <alexcockell> Hi all..
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> \o
[11:17] <HazRPG> howdy everyone
[11:18] <HazRPG> hmm... recalls someone saying they had a kindle...
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> Lots of people have one
[11:19]  * MartijnVdS has a Sony PRS-600
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> which reminds me.. I need to charge it
[11:23] <popey> moo
[11:23] <popey> Jabber \o/
[11:24] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[11:24] <MattJ> On a Saturday!
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> XMPP \o/
[11:27] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: hmm, just wondering ... because I'm not sure if I should register mine with amazon.com/.co.uk
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> I never registered mine with Sony
[11:33] <HazRPG> guessing you don't buy books from sony either then
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> nah, most e-book stores won't let me buy from them :(
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> A few Dutch stores will thoguh
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> though
[11:35] <popey> HazRPG: i bought mine before they sold them direct over here, and registered it with amazon.com
[11:35] <popey> but recently they made an option where you can 'move' it to .co.uk, so i did that
[11:35] <popey> not that i actually use my kindle now I have an ipad
[11:36] <alexcockell> Got a new big mug delivered today...
[11:36] <alexcockell> "Don't ask me till I've had my coffee"... 570ml..
[11:36] <HazRPG> popey: surely the kindle wins over ipad for book reading though...
[11:36] <HazRPG> battery-life wise...
[11:36] <alexcockell> Yeah - I'm sure it does..
[11:37] <alexcockell> now - if there was an open version of the Kindle - I'd be interested..
[11:37] <HazRPG> alexcockell: nice :)
[11:37] <popey> HazRPG: i never read for 10 hours straight
[11:37] <popey> and i never worry about the battery on the ipad
[11:37] <popey> if I was going on holiday I might take the kindle, but for day-to-day use, I dont use it anymore
[11:37] <HazRPG> alexcockell: erm... kindle 1 & 2 have been known to have ubuntu installed on them ;)
[11:38] <HazRPG> kindle 3 has just recently (feb?) found an exploit to run unsigned code
[11:38] <HazRPG> so that could be next :)
[11:38] <HazRPG> popey: clearly you haven't been on long flights before :P
[11:38] <popey> i have
[11:38] <alexcockell> Yeah - but do you need to jailbreak it first?
[11:38] <popey> and i dont read for 10 hours straight
[11:39] <popey> also I said "day to day" use
[11:39] <HazRPG> alexcockell: yeah, you do, but the jailbreak is easy to remove traces of
[11:39] <popey> i dont fly 10 hours every day
[11:39] <alexcockell> S'pose so far, I've bought kit from Linux Emporium...
[11:39] <HazRPG> alexcockell: since the kindle uses linux (or a unix variant??) as its core anyways
[11:39] <alexcockell> Ahh - OK
[11:40] <alexcockell> Of course - only way they have such good power management..
[11:40] <alexcockell> Unlike the latest way MS bollocked up loads of machines...
[11:40] <dwatkins> The Kindle's screen is also passive, which is much better for the eyes than the iPad
[11:40] <directhex> kindle is linux
[11:40] <HazRPG> popey: ah, sorry I missed that
[11:40] <alexcockell> W7SP1... switch on autotuning on TCP/IP - and not warn anyone
[11:40] <alexcockell> My brother was hit by it... was helping him ID the issue..
[11:41] <HazRPG> popey: didn't realise the ipad had 10 hour battery life, that's pretty amazing if it does :O
[11:41] <directhex> kindle battery is about a month, with the wifi turned off
[11:41] <popey> it does
[11:41] <directhex> (e-ink uses no power when the display isn't changing)
[11:42] <HazRPG> directhex: I wasn't sure, I knew it was a unix variant - thanks for the confirmation :)
[11:42] <HazRPG> alexcockell: yeah, the e-ink screen is the main reason for the good battery life (1 month!) - think of it like an etch-e-sketch
[11:44] <alexcockell> Yeah - I sawe a friend's Kindle..
[11:44] <HazRPG> directhex: you'll have seen the recent kindle 3 hack then?
[11:44] <directhex> HazRPG, can't honestly say i care
[11:44] <HazRPG> directhex: I was instantly amused when I read it this morning :)
[11:45] <HazRPG> directhex: ah... hmm... I had it down that ya liked reading about this stuff...
[11:46] <directhex> it's the wife's, it does what she wants
[11:46] <directhex> the rest is a distraction
[11:46] <HazRPG> oh, I just meant reading about hacks, exploits, etc
[11:48] <directhex> only ones relevant to my interests
[11:49] <HazRPG> ah ok, fair enough
[12:02] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[12:05] <alexcockell> BBC News, Sky News - looks like NATO will be taking the gloves off soon...
[12:08]  * MartijnVdS starts "F-19 Stealth Fighter" in dosbox
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> It's how I learned Lybian cities back in the 90s :|
[12:09] <BigRedS> haha
[12:10] <BigRedS> I've not yet seen anyone report on any offensive non-US presence of Libya's coast. I know we've got a friage or something hanging around, but is there a carrier or anythign with which to enforce a no-fly zone?
[12:10] <BigRedS> I suppose there's always Italy...
[12:11] <danfish> our carriers have no planes anymore
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Italy, Greece
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: there's a US base on Sicily
[12:12] <BigRedS> Ah yeah. It just seems (to me) to feel quite an empty threat unless there's a bunch of warships off the coast
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> also, Dutch navy
[12:13] <danfish> we have an agreement to share the French carrier, but it's only maaged to set sail once this year :(
[12:13] <BigRedS> Ah, are the dutch there?
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: 3 people + 1 helicopter were caught a few weeks ago
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> people have been released, helicopter not
[12:14] <jpds> BigRedS: UK bases on Cyprus.
[12:15] <BigRedS> Yeah, the lynx. I was just expecting much more of an in-your-face show of force from nato
[12:15] <alexcockell> Oh.. that is coming..
[12:16] <BigRedS> Nah, by now it surely makes sense to not bother with any sailing, if none's been done yet, and just use european bases
[12:16] <danfish> unfortunately, the RAF is now a mess of aged tornados and typhoon's which noone can fly or maintain.
[12:17] <BigRedS> the point would be to have the demonstration as a "look what we can do" rather than a "we've finally got round to doing what we wanted to do a few weeks back"
[12:17] <BigRedS> danfish: yeah, I was amused at the announcement that it'd be a tornado sqn deployed first
[12:20] <HazRPG> brobostigon: morning :)
[12:20] <brobostigon> HazRPG: good morning, :)
[12:22] <danfish> alternatively we could send our new type destroyer...but the anti-aircraft missiles havn't been installed yet
[12:23] <danfish> so I think it best we send a strongly worded letter and refuse to buy libyan dates :P
[12:24] <danfish> and humus
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> and oil
[12:27] <BigRedS> danfish: That is the English way :)
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: especially if you get the queen to write the letter
[12:28] <BigRedS> I've an entirely different view of the Queen since I started following Queen_UK on twitter :)
[12:28] <danfish> BigRedS: only in recent times - in the past we'd have gone in with the Imperial Army and just taken over
[12:29] <BigRedS> Nah, in the past the threat of the RN would've been a reasonable one
[12:29] <BigRedS> rather than a punchline
[12:29] <danfish> introduced the notion of tea parties and democracy then left ;)
[12:29] <BigRedS> haha!
[12:30] <danfish> tbf, 2-3 years ago we could have mounted an air blockade on our own
[12:30] <brobostigon> hehe, the new icon for empathy from the gnome3-teams ppa, has a nice smiley on it, :).
[12:37] <brobostigon> i figured out my k9 issue from yeysterday, gingerbread sucked too much ram, and didnt leave enough for k9 to run, so i am back on 2.2.1 where it ran fine.
[12:37] <Cepheus> nothing like waking up on a saturday afternoon and eating bacon!
[12:38]  * MartijnVdS has some http://blog.garion.org/2011/01/31/recipe-guild-master-spinach-pie/ 
[13:19] <brobostigon> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~hydraulic-hybrid/+junk/saab-hybrid/view/head:/BareSaab1/BareSaab1.pde can someone tell me, why iamgetting a  ledpin not declared inthi scope error on line 36, please.
[13:20] <brobostigon> i just cant see it.
[13:22] <czajkowski> danfish: enjoying the conference
[13:27] <brobostigon> damn, typo, LedPin != Ledpin. :(
[13:27] <brobostigon> balls.
[13:27] <Pendulum> hiya czajkowski :)
[13:28] <czajkowski> Pendulum: hi
[13:28] <Pendulum> czajkowski: how's you?
[13:28] <czajkowski> grand
[13:28] <czajkowski> sobered up from last night
[13:28] <czajkowski> had bacon
[13:28] <czajkowski> no sleep
[13:28] <czajkowski> and now heading out once I've had a shower to go back drinking
[13:28] <brobostigon> stupid typo, it compiles now.
[13:28] <Pendulum> and rugby :)
[13:29] <Pendulum> (at least I assume there will be rugby-watching in with the drinking :P )
[13:29] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I went out and bought magners last night specifically because of rugby watching today ;)
[13:30] <czajkowski> yup
[13:30] <czajkowski> heading to the pub for around 4ish
[13:31] <Pendulum> :)
[13:32]  * brobostigon is thinking about pub now aswell.
[13:32] <Pendulum> I seriously considered trying to head to NYC for the day to watch with the group I watched with last year
[13:32] <czajkowski> Saturday 19th March - Scotland v Italy - 2.30pm
[13:32] <czajkowski> Saturday 19th March - Ireland v England - 5pm
[13:32] <czajkowski> Saturday 19th March - France v Wales - 7.45pm
[13:34] <Pendulum> :)
[13:36] <czajkowski> right
[13:36] <czajkowski> shower
[13:36] <czajkowski> and vanishing time it seems
[13:36] <czajkowski> toodles
[13:36] <Pendulum> have fun!
[13:36] <popey> :)
[13:36]  * MartijnVdS decides it's time for tea
[13:36] <czajkowski> popey: see ya later
[13:36] <popey> o/
[13:37]  * popey has just lined his stomach with a vast amount of chinese food
[13:41]  * AlanBell is back from the party
[13:45] <Pendulum> AlanBell: how'd it go?
[13:45] <AlanBell> they all had fun
[13:45] <AlanBell> lots of screaming
[13:47] <AlanBell> the rugby is later than I thought it was
[13:49] <Pendulum> :)
[14:00] <phonex01> hello guys
[14:01] <phonex01> i found the problem with mon0: -1 in aircrack
[14:01] <phonex01> there a simple patching for that i did it and now im compiling compat-wireless
[14:01] <phonex01> but i have question here
[14:03] <phonex01> i have keneral 2.6.35-27 and compat-wireless i use is 2.6.38-3 ?
[14:03] <phonex01> so is there any problem with this ?
[14:09] <BigRedS> phonex01: From a quick look at their site, should be good
[14:10] <phonex01> really ?
[14:10] <BigRedS> though I can't work out how you'd get that version string, they seem to use dates
[14:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] FPTP versus AV - http://zrmt.com/2011/03/19/fptp-versus-av/
[14:11] <BigRedS> it certainly implies that any version will compile against an 2.6 kernel
[14:15] <suprengr> Boo!
[14:16] <alexcockell> Hiya Suprengr
[14:17] <alexcockell> popey - Useful that most Chinese places run right through from 12-late...
[14:35] <ging> what does ./configure do ?
[14:35] <ging> or atleast what is it meant to do?
[14:36] <DJones> !compile | ging Have a look at this, about a third of the way down explains it
[14:36] <ging> do i need to install it first/
[14:36] <dutchie> no
[14:37] <dutchie> the configure script sets up the Makefile with all the right paths for libraries and installation
[14:37] <dutchie> (usually)
[14:37] <DJones> !checkinstall
[14:38] <DJones> ging: If you're compiling something from source, it might be worth looking at the Checkinstall info as it could make it easier to remove something afterwards as it installs from a .deb file
[14:43] <suprengr> Trying to view a webcam [Dartmouth live] and Firefox states "QuickTime does not support the current MPEG-4 setting. Go to Setup->Video&Image->Advanced->MPEG-4 and set Video object type to 'Simple' for QuickTime to work"  [Chromium is less than helpful with settings]  no alternatives in Firefox work.  Any ideas?
[14:43]  * AlanBell looks up train times to clapham
[14:43] <ging> i dont understand why ./configure doesnt work then, if i type than into a terminal with current directiory if what i want to compile that should work right?
[14:44] <BigRedS> configure normally tells you what's wrong when it doesn't work
[14:46] <ging> no it say no such file or directory
[14:46] <ging> do i need to install configure ?
[14:46] <BigRedS> are you trying to run it in the right directory?
[14:47] <BigRedS> you need to be at the root of the source
[14:47] <BigRedS> usually, untar the tarball, cd into the new dir and you're there
[14:47] <BigRedS> sometimes you need to be in a subdirectory of it
[14:47] <ging> that's what i've done
[14:47] <BigRedS> but you need to be in the directory containing the 'configure' script
[14:48] <ging> oh so configure isnt a program ?
[14:48] <BigRedS> it's a script
[14:48] <BigRedS> the distinction is fuzzy
[14:48] <BigRedS> but it's in the source you downloaded, not something installed on your PC
[14:48] <BigRedS> the './' tells bash that it's looking for something in the current directory ('.')
[14:49] <BigRedS> so './configure' tells bash to execute the file named 'configure' in the current directory
[14:49] <ging> well there is no script called configure in this dir, there is 1 called config.h
[14:49] <BigRedS> is there a readme?
[14:52] <ging> yeah there is a readme but there is nothing in there about it
[14:53] <ging> i think it must be missing the config script
[14:58] <dutchie> ging: it might not have one. is there a Makefile already?
[15:06] <ging> dutchie: there is a make file but it fails
[15:08] <dutchie> fails how?
[15:15] <ging> epically
[15:15] <ging> http://pastebin.com/zs6jQS3K
[15:21] <dutchie> ging: looks like you are missing pcap.h
[15:21] <dutchie> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pcap.h&mode=&suite=maverick&arch=any
[15:21] <dutchie> try installing the libpcap0.8-dev package
[15:26] <ging> ah it work thanks
[15:33] <dutchie> np
[15:56] <MichealH> Hi all
[16:03]  * brobostigon shakes fist at Xorg, gpu hang, :(
[16:21] <bigcalm> I would say hi, but I guess everybody is at the rugby
[16:22] <brobostigon> afternooings bigcalm :)
[16:22] <bigcalm> Hi :)
[16:22]  * dutchie is watching rugby at home
[16:23]  * brobostigon is trying to avoid rugby, but cant.
[16:23]  * DJones is at home catching up on tv
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Doctor Who special :)
[16:25] <DJones> MartijnVdS: No, Blue Bloods
[16:27]  * brobostigon uses get_iplayer toget click, which got killed off again, due too ther news.
[16:27] <brobostigon> to other*
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> yeah they should stop having news!
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> People of the world! Today shall be a news-free day! :P
[16:37] <brobostigon> :)
[16:37] <bigcalm> Anybody into their JS (jQuery in particular)?
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> !ask | bigcalm
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you know that ;)
[16:38] <bigcalm> Well, it's not very ubuntu related :P
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> Still
[16:38] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> it's quiet
[16:39] <bigcalm> I'm appending some HTML into an element from inside a function. Once the logic flow has left the function, the created HTML isn't available to other functions
[16:39] <bigcalm> Wondering how to make it persistant
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> don't "add HTML", but add DOM nodes
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> they should show up
[16:41] <bigcalm> Ok, I'll give it a go
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> jquery makes that easy
[16:46] <brobostigon> weird, i canonly find the short versionof click on iplayer.:(
[16:49] <brobostigon> ithink i will listen to bbc digital planet insted.
[16:59] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/582539/ # made it verbose yet it's still not available outside of the function.
[17:02] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: the div and the ul both exist outside of the function, but LIs do not
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: read the "will not change" bits on http://api.jquery.com/add/
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASXnFRYf6LI
[17:13] <shauno> heh, that was pretty nifty
[17:25] <suprengr> was thinking of putting 'home' directory on separate partition to use on other versions.  do I copy current home/... or myusername/ [under home] to that partition I wonder?
[17:36] <shauno> I'd tend to move /home itself
[17:36] <duvelhedz> Move /home and be sure to modify your fstab to mount by uuid
[17:37] <shauno> (also, the word 'copy' makes me tweak; if you copy /home to a new filesystem, mount it over your old /home, the old contents of /home will still use up disk space but won't be accessible at all)
[17:40] <ali1234> if you move /home itself to a new partition then mount that partition on /home you will have /home/home
[17:40] <ali1234> which is pobably not what you want
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> unexpected backup ;)
[18:04] <DJones> I wonder whether czajkowski is cheering at the minute
[18:05] <brobostigon> DJones: ithinkthat might be a fair bet.
[18:07] <DJones> Either that or the England camp have gagged her
[18:08] <brobostigon> hmm.
[18:09] <duvelhedz> I'm down at the northcote now and I don't see anyone here
[18:10] <brobostigon> duvelhedz: please elaborate, i amnot familier with the name.
[18:10] <brobostigon> sorry.
[18:10] <DJones> duvelhedz: Are you looking for the ubuntu-uk rugby meetup
[18:10] <duvelhedz> It's where the ubuntu rugby meetup us meant to be
[18:11] <duvelhedz> Did they go elsewhere
[18:11] <DJones> I can see czajkowski on twitter, give me  a minute, I'll send a message & ask
[18:11] <duvelhedz> Thang
[18:11] <duvelhedz> Thang
[18:11] <duvelhedz> Thanx
[18:17] <DJones> duvelhedz: No reply yet, I'd say just look for one Irish person cheering, surrounded by a bunch of people pretending to have no interest in the rugby
[18:18] <duvelhedz> Have had a look around the whole place, no sign of them but the place is rammed, thanx DJones
[18:19] <DJones> duvelhedz: czajkowski Just said they were in front of the bar
[18:19] <duvelhedz> Great, thanx for that
[18:20] <DJones> Hope you find them
[18:20] <brobostigon> DJones: did you see that picture of czajkowski popey,posted on twitter.
[18:21] <DJones> brobostigon: no, I've not seen it
[18:21] <DJones> link?
[18:22] <brobostigon> DJones: http://twitpic.com/4b3txj she got her wish. :)
[18:24] <DJones> Heh
[18:25] <duvelhedz>  Found them, thanx
[18:25] <brobostigon> :)
[18:25] <DJones> duvelhedz: You're welcome
[18:25] <brobostigon> DJones: i was playing on popey's joke.
[18:39] <Azelphur> haha, I have an excellent way of dealing with troublemakers on minecraft
[18:40] <Azelphur> "Repair the damage you did or ban"
[18:40] <Azelphur> I feel like the police officer who makes the kids clear the graffiti off the walls.
[18:46]  * DJones notes that Azelphur admits to looking like dixon of doc green :)
[18:46] <Azelphur> doc green? :P
[18:47] <DJones> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixon_of_Dock_Green
[18:47] <duvelhedz> Victory to Ireland. Hurray
[18:50] <DJones> heh, there will be a lot unhappy england fans tonight
[18:51]  * brobostigon  shakes fist at xorg, gpu lockup.
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> again?
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> what kind of gpu?
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> natty has special debugging enabled in the intel drivers
[18:55] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i didnt know, interesting, intel on my eeepc.
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> xserver-xorg-video-intel (2:2.14.0-4ubuntu2) natty; urgency=low
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> * apport-gpu-error-intel.py:
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> part of apport
[18:59] <ipopey> Moo
[18:59] <DJones> Quack
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> baah
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> ooh.. "top 100 one-hit-wonders of the 80s"
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> go VH1 :)
[19:01] <DJones> MartijnVdS: No doubt "I am the one & only" will be No 1
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> DJones: nah. Dexys Midnight Runners, apparently
[19:03] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Come Eileen by any chance?
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> DJones: exactly
[19:03] <DJones> Or for czajkowski, should that be "Come on Ireland" :)
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> DJones: http://blog.vh1.com/2009-04-01/100-greatest-one-hit-wonders-of-the-80s-read-the-list-2/
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> haha - Shannon - Let the Music Play... heard a new remix of that a few months ago
[20:06] <penguin42> really helps when I remember to plug my laptop in
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> haha
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> oops
[20:30] <brunogirin> hi all, trying to configure a synaptics touchpad properly but now that ubuntu doesn't have an xorg.conf anymore, I'm struggling to do that via udev rules, in particular I can't seem to get the SHMConfig option to work, can anybody help?
[20:35] <dutchie> i probably could if it was actual simple harmonic motion
[20:35] <dutchie> not so good at udev rules as at differential equations though
[20:36] <directhex> you can still use an xorg.conf for some things
[20:37] <penguin42> brunogirin: You can create an xorg.conf or fraction there of
[20:38] <brunogirin> penguin42: so for instance, I could create an xorg.conf with just the input device configuration? where does it go? /etc?
[20:38] <penguin42> brunogirin: Yes you could - just create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf I think
[20:38] <penguin42> brunogirin: Ah sorry, it checks /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[20:40] <brunogirin> penguin42: and there is a file called 50-synaptics.conf in there, which is probably the one I want to modify, thanks :-)
[20:40] <penguin42> no prob
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> you don't want to modify files in /usr/
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> they get overwritten on upgrade
[20:42] <brunogirin> MartijnVdS: thanks for the advice, where should I create the correct config files so that they don't get overwritten on upgrade?
[20:42] <directhex> xorg.conf is fine.
[20:43] <directhex> consider that every nvidia-glx or fglrx user has one
[20:44] <brunogirin> directhex: ok, so if I create one using the method detailed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config and then remove everything I don't want to override, I should be ok?
[20:45] <directhex> more or less.
[20:46] <brunogirin> will try right now, thanks
[20:55] <duvelhedz> I never thought the English would be singing Allez Les Bleus!!
[20:55] <brunogirin> directhex: if I create a partial xorg.conf in /etc/X11 XOrg fails to start... should I create a xorg.conf.d directory and put my partial bits in there?
[20:55] <directhex> brunogirin, too partial, perhaps? what does xorg.0.log say?
[20:57] <brunogirin> directhex: ah ok, it tells me that the option I added (SHMConfig) is not valid in that section, I'll investigate further so see where it should go
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> shmconfig has been obsolete for a while now
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> You can set settings using xinput
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> xinput list
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> then xinput list-props id_of_device_here
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> and to set:
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> xinput set-prop id_here property_id new_value
[21:07] <brunogirin> MartijnVdS: ok, I was hoping to use SHMConfig to be able to run synclient -m in order to see what the different areas of the touchpad were so that I can set BottomEdge properly as I have a touchpad with integrated buttons
[21:08] <brunogirin> besides, how can I then set the preferences in a way that will work when rebooted? can I do that in udev rules?
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> you can see/set all that using xinput
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> well
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> don't know about the persistence bit
[21:30] <knightwise> morning !
[21:30] <knightwise> well... evening
[21:35] <jacobw> evening knightwise :)
[21:36] <knightwise> hey jacobw a
[21:36]  * jacobw is flicking through jono's book
[21:46] <phonex01> hello guys
[21:46] <phonex01> good night
[21:46] <phonex01> Hz you there ?
[21:55] <czajkowski> teeeheeeee
[21:56] <jacobw> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/mar/19/super-moon-closest-point-years
[22:09] <DaveMorris> ok, I'm not sure if this device exists but I was looking for a device which appears as a FAt32 drive to the machine/device it's plugged into, but it infact pulls the data down via nfs/dlna
[22:13] <gord> DaveMorris, because fat32 is a map of blocks i don't think such a thing could reasonably exist
[22:13] <DaveMorris> in theory it could if the nfs share is FAT32
[22:13] <DaveMorris> does it make sense what I'm asking for?
[22:15] <Daviey> DaveMorris, You are looking for a virtual device which presents itself as a FAT32 disk, but is really an NFS share?
[22:15] <DaveMorris> yeha
[22:15] <gord> DaveMorris, and what happens when windows 98 attempts to defrag the drive?
[22:16] <DaveMorris> it's to enable my non DLNA blu-ray/tv/dvd players to become DLNA
[22:16] <DaveMorris> they are able to play files found on a USB stick fine
[22:17] <Daviey> DaveMorris, Never done it, but look at dummy_hcd
[22:19] <Daviey> Dave2, hmm - seems ideal, http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/samygo/index.php?title=Mounting_an_CIFS/SAMBA_share_on_a_USB_device_to_bypass_DLNA
[22:20] <Daviey> i imagine you could swap smb -> NFS.
[22:20] <DaveMorris> just found that
[22:20] <Daviey> heh
[22:20] <DaveMorris> looks like they are telnet'ing to the TV
[22:20] <DaveMorris> and mounting it like a standard nfs mount
[22:23] <Daviey> hmm
[22:24] <DaveMorris> initial research seems it's not easily done, or where it cna be done it's expensive
[22:24] <Daviey> DaveMorris, Hang on, so you want a physical usb device that is really network mounted storage, but presented as vfat?
[22:24] <DaveMorris> yes
[22:26] <Daviey> DaveMorris, I would say you need a linux device which allows you to convert a usb socket from host to device... they are pretty common.. I seem to remember my N810 could do it.
[22:27] <DaveMorris> yeah, thats what I was thinking but it's prob not worth the money to do it.
[22:30] <Daviey> DaveMorris, I wonder if it would be easier to do from a network block device, perhaps iscsi
[22:31] <Daviey> DaveMorris, I would like to know if you do bother, not that i need it, just interesting.
[22:35] <zleap> erm is it meercat or meerkat
[22:35] <zleap> trying to spell check my website
[22:36] <jacobw> meerkat
[22:36] <zleap> thanks
[22:37] <zleap> i thought i had corrected it, but aparently not, have done so now
[22:37] <zleap> so next time i upload it will be correct
[22:37] <jacobw> :)
[22:37] <Azelphur> someone on my minecraft server built a binary counter :o
[22:38] <Azelphur> it counts up to 7 in binary when you press button haha
[22:38] <zleap> nic
[22:38] <zleap> nice
[22:39] <phonex01> guys damn i found how to fix error with aircrack !
[22:40] <phonex01> it was not that easy but it is ok now
[22:40] <phonex01> my wifi fully support injection and monitor mode but the problem was with negative channel representation
[22:41] <czajkowski> teeeheeeee
[22:41] <dutchie> czajkowski: not a word
[22:41] <czajkowski> akoha :)
[22:41] <czajkowski> grin
[22:41] <dutchie> we still finished above you in the league
[22:42] <czajkowski> yes true. but the important game. we beat you
[22:42] <zleap> Daviey, you able to come to the next devon adn cornwall lug meet on the 2nd April ?
[22:42] <dutchie> we still won i am putting my fingers in my ears we won we won we won
[22:42] <zleap> who won
[22:42] <dutchie> england
[22:43] <czajkowski> :)
[22:43] <czajkowski> urelqnd
[22:43] <dutchie> (although ireland won today)
[22:43] <czajkowski> ireland
[22:43] <zleap> ah rugby
[22:43] <jacobw> lol @ urelqnd
[22:43] <zleap> yeah we won the six nations but not the grand slam
[22:44] <zleap> :(
[22:48] <Daviey> zleap, I really wanted to come to the one today, but daughter had an event i needed to take her to :(
[22:48] <zleap> ok np
[22:52] <zleap> well right now we have 3 venues and 3 meets amonth
[22:56] <marxjohnson> Can someone not currently in GMT do me a favour? Go to http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org and tell me what the countdown says?
[22:56] <marxjohnson> to the nearest hour is fine
[22:58] <Daviey> marxjohnson, Asking a channel full of people predominately in the UK, if they are on anything other than GMT? :)
[22:59] <mumbles_> yeh
[22:59] <AlanBell> marxjohnson: did you break it *again*
[22:59] <mumbles_> damm onley got one beer left
[23:01] <marxjohnson> Daviey: Silly idea I know, but this channel seems the most likely to be helpful in this case ;-)
[23:01] <marxjohnson> AlanBell this is what I'm trying to establish
[23:03] <marxjohnson> Aha, browsershots.org doesn't appear to be on GMT, so that's answered it for me, and it's working (aside from a small DST issue)
[23:09] <AlanBell> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/wp-content/themes/uupc4/countdown.php looks good to me :)
[23:10] <AlanBell> I have to say, nobody does smugness quite the same way that czajkowski does smugness
[23:20] <Pendulum> AlanBell: good time out?
[23:21] <AlanBell> yup
[23:21] <AlanBell> did you watch online?
[23:21] <Pendulum> I watched all of England v. Ireland :)
[23:21] <Pendulum> and all of Scotland v. Italy
[23:22] <Pendulum> and other than the 30 minute period where the PPV stream didn't work (I can't say what I think of it in this channel ;) ), Wales v. France
[23:22] <Pendulum> almost wish I'd not been able to see the entirety of that last one though :-/
[23:23] <Pendulum> because then I wouldn't have tortured myself and would have felt justified claiming money back
[23:23] <AlanBell> I didn't pay much attention to it
[23:23] <AlanBell> we were mostly drowning our sorrows
[23:23] <Pendulum> other than czajkowski
[23:23] <AlanBell> other than czajkowski, yes
[23:23] <Pendulum> who I assume was drinking as celebration?
[23:24] <AlanBell> and some other Irish folk who were in the pub
[23:24] <Pendulum> Wales just kept making really stupid mistakes :(
[23:24] <Pendulum> and there was a bad call against them which ended up with Hooker being given a yellow card :(
[23:28] <bigcalm> Hey kids, what's shaking?
[23:28] <dutchie> perhaps not the best turn of phrase given recent events
[23:29] <Pendulum> hiya bigcalm
[23:33] <bigcalm> That's my parents' server updated to 9.10.  I think that updating to 10.04 can wait until the morning
[23:34] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:34] <bigcalm> Shame I couldn't jump from 9.04 to 10.04
[23:34] <bigcalm> Night AlanBell
[23:34]  * bigcalm sleeps as well
[23:34] <bigcalm> Night Pendulum :)
[23:35] <Pendulum> g'night bigcalm AlanBell
[23:36] <bigcalm> :)