[00:20] so we're either gonna win, or turn into wolves and eat everyone [00:21] as far as I'm concerned, either would be a stellar result [00:33] :) [00:44] moo [00:44] --screen [01:14] bah, there are wrong people on the internet [01:14] this should be fixed [01:57] poo :( scandal in ppuk already [02:00] what's a ppuk? [02:01] I just bought a kindle... from tescos! [02:02] how much and can you use it without an amazon account? [02:02] it was £150 with 3g+wifi, but they had the one with wifi for £105 [02:03] and I shall found out soon enough! [02:05] oh, you bought on line? [02:05] i thought you went to 24 hour tescos and bought one cash :) [02:05] I did! [02:05] that was in-store price! [02:05] I'd say it was a bargain for getting it straight in your hands [02:06] I didn't even plan to get one, was there for other things [02:06] ah cool [02:06] saved me the ~£6 P&P price [02:07] wow, I'm amazed at how thin this thing actually is! [02:07] argh! holy cow! [02:07] I thought that was the sticker! [02:07] with the whole "step 1 charge your kindle" [02:07] that was before I even turned it on, etc [02:08] so I did... I pluged it on [02:08] and looked away for a moment... and then looked back was about to pear the sticker... and noticed the screen changed! [02:08] it's eink [02:08] it only uses power when the display is changing [02:08] nifty stuff [02:09] oh yeah, I know... but I never realised it was this clear! [02:09] you are making me want one [02:09] but i don't like to buy stuff from amazon [02:09] heh, I got mine from tescos :P [02:09] yeah [02:09] they probably sell them at a loss anyway [02:09] but i mean books to put on it :) [02:10] :P [02:10] especially given that ebooks cost the same as regular books [02:12] I'm planning on buying ebooks from other places ;) [02:13] ali1234: dude!!!! [02:13] ali1234: you don't *need* to register this to amazon! [02:13] ok ok, it's not that exciting :) [02:13] if you buy it >from< amazon, it gets set to you with your account already on it [02:13] sent* [02:13] but this way... you don't have to! [02:13] so when you turn it on [02:14] it doesn't force you to enter your details [02:14] the sony one does [02:14] can you use the free global 3g without an amazon account though? [02:15] I'm reading the startup guide... but it says "at any point you can click home and leave this guide" [02:15] so I'm going to read through, see what it all says and just click on the home - but plan NOT putting my amazon details in unless I really must [02:16] considering getting the wifi only version [02:17] don't really even need wifi tbh [02:17] usb is fine [02:18] which gen is it? [02:19] ah only v3 has the 3g option [02:25] yeah, v3 [02:32] ali1234: you'll be pleased to know, if you buy from tescos... you don't need to set your account :D [02:32] cool [02:34] aww, but the browser won't let you use it unless you do :/ [02:35] everything else seems to work though [03:04] ali1234: hmm, this thing is pretty cool though [03:09] I have a feeling, I'm going to need bigger discs [03:09] I've coasted around 3 discs now :/ [03:11] [Phil Bull] Desktop Help - http://philbull.livejournal.com/59039.html [03:42] this feels wrong... k3b seems to work so much better than brasero! [03:43] I'm a gnome guy... kde stuff shouldn't be on here >_< [03:56] brasero has always sucked tho [04:58] ali1234: what do you use? [04:58] i don't use cds [04:59] hmm, the 'send "I am alive" ping to canonical' app on software centre... does anyone use it? [04:59] as far as I can see, its for showing canonical how many ubuntu users there are out there... [04:59] i don't use software centre either... [04:59] canonical-census is the name of the application [05:00] it's for OEMs [05:50] ah [05:50] that makes more sense [06:35] Beautiful... [06:36] [ 30.229] (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: [load of chipset names], Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge [06:52] Morning [06:54] \o [07:17] * daubers checks the chilli plants and starts washing up ready to make bread [07:19] hm [07:20] I parsed that as "chilli plant" (factory) instead of "chilli plant" (green leafy thing) [07:30] heh [07:46] hello guys [07:47] good morning [08:33] morning [08:41] morning [08:43] mornink [08:43] I want to go out for a run [08:44] but it's cold outside :| [08:45] \o/ working va-api + vlc [08:45] next stop: working DVB+VLC [08:45] :P [08:46] ali1234: ooo, apparently they've "jailbroke" the kindle 3 [08:46] For some reason my DVB card doesn't always execute tuning commands properly :| [08:46] MartijnVdS: typical :P [08:47] so I have to tune 2-3 times before I get a signal [08:47] (to the same channel, mind!) [08:47] HazRPG: typical? why? :) [08:47] nice and sunny today here [08:47] same [08:47] popey: it's nice and sunny here as well, but it's still only ~5-6°C [08:48] heh [08:48] MartijnVdS: manufacturers not sticking to standards or making them do funny things [08:48] wonder why middle mouse click on one mac opens a new tab, middle mouse click on the other opens the widget thing [08:48] HazRPG: the same dish/switch works fine from my TV tuner [08:48] HazRPG: it must be something on my DVB-S2 card [08:48] ah [08:48] ooo, configurable [08:49] HazRPG: It's a voltage thing, I think, or interference (a PC is noisier than a TV, electronically speaking) [08:51] ("DiSEqC uses a pulsed (tone-burst) 22 kHz sine-wave at 0.5v peak to peak.", according to Wikipedia) [09:08] morning [09:09] who's going to the rubgy meetup then? [09:10] where's it at again? [09:13] Clapham Junction [09:15] o/ [09:25] Aloha [09:26] o/ [09:29] AlanBell: howdy [09:30] o/ [09:44] bread is rising! [09:44] the 80's radio station is addictive [09:44] so want a fry up this morning [09:45] * AlanBell is going to a party [09:45] I miss kids parties, no way to get rice crispy cakes any other way [09:46] I think parties need more jelly and ice cream [09:46] there will be chocolate brownie cake with icing and buttons on top [09:47] not a love of brownies, find them too heavy. [09:47] I could polish off a bucket of cocktail saussages and rice crispy cakes [09:56] we do have 40 cocktail sausages, not sure about rice crispy cakes [09:56] whoo [09:56] nyommy [09:57] had nandos as well last night, that place is soo friggin busy and so tasty [10:45] Hi all.. [10:57] \o [11:17] howdy everyone [11:18] hmm... recalls someone saying they had a kindle... [11:19] Lots of people have one [11:19] * MartijnVdS has a Sony PRS-600 [11:19] which reminds me.. I need to charge it [11:23] moo [11:23] Jabber \o/ [11:24] Jabber \o/ [11:24] On a Saturday! [11:24] XMPP \o/ [11:27] MartijnVdS: hmm, just wondering ... because I'm not sure if I should register mine with amazon.com/.co.uk [11:32] I never registered mine with Sony [11:33] guessing you don't buy books from sony either then [11:33] nah, most e-book stores won't let me buy from them :( [11:34] A few Dutch stores will thoguh [11:34] though [11:35] HazRPG: i bought mine before they sold them direct over here, and registered it with amazon.com [11:35] but recently they made an option where you can 'move' it to .co.uk, so i did that [11:35] not that i actually use my kindle now I have an ipad [11:36] Got a new big mug delivered today... [11:36] "Don't ask me till I've had my coffee"... 570ml.. [11:36] popey: surely the kindle wins over ipad for book reading though... [11:36] battery-life wise... [11:36] Yeah - I'm sure it does.. [11:37] now - if there was an open version of the Kindle - I'd be interested.. [11:37] alexcockell: nice :) [11:37] HazRPG: i never read for 10 hours straight [11:37] and i never worry about the battery on the ipad [11:37] if I was going on holiday I might take the kindle, but for day-to-day use, I dont use it anymore [11:37] alexcockell: erm... kindle 1 & 2 have been known to have ubuntu installed on them ;) [11:38] kindle 3 has just recently (feb?) found an exploit to run unsigned code [11:38] so that could be next :) [11:38] popey: clearly you haven't been on long flights before :P [11:38] i have [11:38] Yeah - but do you need to jailbreak it first? [11:38] and i dont read for 10 hours straight [11:39] also I said "day to day" use [11:39] alexcockell: yeah, you do, but the jailbreak is easy to remove traces of [11:39] i dont fly 10 hours every day [11:39] S'pose so far, I've bought kit from Linux Emporium... [11:39] alexcockell: since the kindle uses linux (or a unix variant??) as its core anyways [11:39] Ahh - OK [11:40] Of course - only way they have such good power management.. [11:40] Unlike the latest way MS bollocked up loads of machines... [11:40] The Kindle's screen is also passive, which is much better for the eyes than the iPad [11:40] kindle is linux [11:40] popey: ah, sorry I missed that [11:40] W7SP1... switch on autotuning on TCP/IP - and not warn anyone [11:40] My brother was hit by it... was helping him ID the issue.. [11:41] popey: didn't realise the ipad had 10 hour battery life, that's pretty amazing if it does :O [11:41] kindle battery is about a month, with the wifi turned off [11:41] it does [11:41] (e-ink uses no power when the display isn't changing) [11:42] directhex: I wasn't sure, I knew it was a unix variant - thanks for the confirmation :) [11:42] alexcockell: yeah, the e-ink screen is the main reason for the good battery life (1 month!) - think of it like an etch-e-sketch [11:44] Yeah - I sawe a friend's Kindle.. [11:44] directhex: you'll have seen the recent kindle 3 hack then? [11:44] HazRPG, can't honestly say i care [11:44] directhex: I was instantly amused when I read it this morning :) [11:45] directhex: ah... hmm... I had it down that ya liked reading about this stuff... [11:46] it's the wife's, it does what she wants [11:46] the rest is a distraction [11:46] oh, I just meant reading about hacks, exploits, etc [11:48] only ones relevant to my interests [11:49] ah ok, fair enough [12:02] morning everyone. [12:05] BBC News, Sky News - looks like NATO will be taking the gloves off soon... [12:08] * MartijnVdS starts "F-19 Stealth Fighter" in dosbox [12:09] It's how I learned Lybian cities back in the 90s :| [12:09] haha [12:10] I've not yet seen anyone report on any offensive non-US presence of Libya's coast. I know we've got a friage or something hanging around, but is there a carrier or anythign with which to enforce a no-fly zone? [12:10] I suppose there's always Italy... [12:11] our carriers have no planes anymore [12:11] BigRedS: Italy, Greece [12:11] BigRedS: there's a US base on Sicily [12:12] Ah yeah. It just seems (to me) to feel quite an empty threat unless there's a bunch of warships off the coast [12:13] also, Dutch navy [12:13] we have an agreement to share the French carrier, but it's only maaged to set sail once this year :( [12:13] Ah, are the dutch there? [12:13] BigRedS: 3 people + 1 helicopter were caught a few weeks ago [12:14] people have been released, helicopter not [12:14] BigRedS: UK bases on Cyprus. [12:15] Yeah, the lynx. I was just expecting much more of an in-your-face show of force from nato [12:15] Oh.. that is coming.. [12:16] Nah, by now it surely makes sense to not bother with any sailing, if none's been done yet, and just use european bases [12:16] unfortunately, the RAF is now a mess of aged tornados and typhoon's which noone can fly or maintain. [12:17] the point would be to have the demonstration as a "look what we can do" rather than a "we've finally got round to doing what we wanted to do a few weeks back" [12:17] danfish: yeah, I was amused at the announcement that it'd be a tornado sqn deployed first [12:20] brobostigon: morning :) [12:20] HazRPG: good morning, :) [12:22] alternatively we could send our new type destroyer...but the anti-aircraft missiles havn't been installed yet [12:23] so I think it best we send a strongly worded letter and refuse to buy libyan dates :P [12:24] and humus [12:26] and oil [12:27] danfish: That is the English way :) [12:27] BigRedS: especially if you get the queen to write the letter [12:28] I've an entirely different view of the Queen since I started following Queen_UK on twitter :) [12:28] BigRedS: only in recent times - in the past we'd have gone in with the Imperial Army and just taken over [12:29] Nah, in the past the threat of the RN would've been a reasonable one [12:29] rather than a punchline [12:29] introduced the notion of tea parties and democracy then left ;) [12:29] haha! [12:30] tbf, 2-3 years ago we could have mounted an air blockade on our own [12:30] hehe, the new icon for empathy from the gnome3-teams ppa, has a nice smiley on it, :). [12:37] i figured out my k9 issue from yeysterday, gingerbread sucked too much ram, and didnt leave enough for k9 to run, so i am back on 2.2.1 where it ran fine. [12:37] nothing like waking up on a saturday afternoon and eating bacon! [12:38] * MartijnVdS has some http://blog.garion.org/2011/01/31/recipe-guild-master-spinach-pie/ === james is now known as Guest46946 === Guest46946 is now known as JamesMc [13:19] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~hydraulic-hybrid/+junk/saab-hybrid/view/head:/BareSaab1/BareSaab1.pde can someone tell me, why iamgetting a ledpin not declared inthi scope error on line 36, please. [13:20] i just cant see it. [13:22] danfish: enjoying the conference [13:27] damn, typo, LedPin != Ledpin. :( [13:27] balls. [13:27] hiya czajkowski :) [13:28] Pendulum: hi [13:28] czajkowski: how's you? [13:28] grand [13:28] sobered up from last night [13:28] had bacon [13:28] no sleep [13:28] and now heading out once I've had a shower to go back drinking [13:28] stupid typo, it compiles now. [13:28] and rugby :) [13:29] (at least I assume there will be rugby-watching in with the drinking :P ) [13:29] czajkowski: I went out and bought magners last night specifically because of rugby watching today ;) [13:30] yup [13:30] heading to the pub for around 4ish [13:31] :) [13:32] * brobostigon is thinking about pub now aswell. [13:32] I seriously considered trying to head to NYC for the day to watch with the group I watched with last year [13:32] Saturday 19th March - Scotland v Italy - 2.30pm [13:32] Saturday 19th March - Ireland v England - 5pm [13:32] Saturday 19th March - France v Wales - 7.45pm [13:34] :) [13:36] right [13:36] shower [13:36] and vanishing time it seems [13:36] toodles [13:36] have fun! [13:36] :) [13:36] * MartijnVdS decides it's time for tea [13:36] popey: see ya later [13:36] o/ [13:37] * popey has just lined his stomach with a vast amount of chinese food [13:41] * AlanBell is back from the party [13:45] AlanBell: how'd it go? [13:45] they all had fun [13:45] lots of screaming [13:47] the rugby is later than I thought it was [13:49] :) [14:00] hello guys [14:01] i found the problem with mon0: -1 in aircrack [14:01] there a simple patching for that i did it and now im compiling compat-wireless [14:01] but i have question here [14:03] i have keneral 2.6.35-27 and compat-wireless i use is 2.6.38-3 ? [14:03] so is there any problem with this ? [14:09] phonex01: From a quick look at their site, should be good [14:10] really ? [14:10] though I can't work out how you'd get that version string, they seem to use dates [14:11] [Andy Loughran] FPTP versus AV - http://zrmt.com/2011/03/19/fptp-versus-av/ [14:11] it certainly implies that any version will compile against an 2.6 kernel [14:15] Boo! [14:16] Hiya Suprengr [14:17] popey - Useful that most Chinese places run right through from 12-late... [14:35] what does ./configure do ? [14:35] or atleast what is it meant to do? [14:36] !compile | ging Have a look at this, about a third of the way down explains it [14:36] ging Have a look at this, about a third of the way down explains it: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first) [14:36] do i need to install it first/ [14:36] no [14:37] the configure script sets up the Makefile with all the right paths for libraries and installation [14:37] (usually) [14:37] !checkinstall [14:37] checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running! [14:38] ging: If you're compiling something from source, it might be worth looking at the Checkinstall info as it could make it easier to remove something afterwards as it installs from a .deb file [14:43] Trying to view a webcam [Dartmouth live] and Firefox states "QuickTime does not support the current MPEG-4 setting. Go to Setup->Video&Image->Advanced->MPEG-4 and set Video object type to 'Simple' for QuickTime to work" [Chromium is less than helpful with settings] no alternatives in Firefox work. Any ideas? [14:43] * AlanBell looks up train times to clapham [14:43] i dont understand why ./configure doesnt work then, if i type than into a terminal with current directiory if what i want to compile that should work right? [14:44] configure normally tells you what's wrong when it doesn't work [14:46] no it say no such file or directory [14:46] do i need to install configure ? [14:46] are you trying to run it in the right directory? [14:47] you need to be at the root of the source [14:47] usually, untar the tarball, cd into the new dir and you're there [14:47] sometimes you need to be in a subdirectory of it [14:47] that's what i've done [14:47] but you need to be in the directory containing the 'configure' script [14:48] oh so configure isnt a program ? [14:48] it's a script [14:48] the distinction is fuzzy [14:48] but it's in the source you downloaded, not something installed on your PC [14:48] the './' tells bash that it's looking for something in the current directory ('.') [14:49] so './configure' tells bash to execute the file named 'configure' in the current directory [14:49] well there is no script called configure in this dir, there is 1 called config.h [14:49] is there a readme? [14:52] yeah there is a readme but there is nothing in there about it [14:53] i think it must be missing the config script [14:58] ging: it might not have one. is there a Makefile already? [15:06] dutchie: there is a make file but it fails [15:08] fails how? [15:15] epically [15:15] http://pastebin.com/zs6jQS3K [15:21] ging: looks like you are missing pcap.h [15:21] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pcap.h&mode=&suite=maverick&arch=any [15:21] try installing the libpcap0.8-dev package [15:26] ah it work thanks [15:33] np [15:56] Hi all [16:03] * brobostigon shakes fist at Xorg, gpu hang, :( [16:21] I would say hi, but I guess everybody is at the rugby [16:22] afternooings bigcalm :) [16:22] Hi :) [16:22] * dutchie is watching rugby at home [16:23] * brobostigon is trying to avoid rugby, but cant. [16:23] * DJones is at home catching up on tv [16:25] DJones: Doctor Who special :) [16:25] MartijnVdS: No, Blue Bloods [16:27] * brobostigon uses get_iplayer toget click, which got killed off again, due too ther news. [16:27] to other* [16:36] yeah they should stop having news! [16:37] People of the world! Today shall be a news-free day! :P [16:37] :) [16:37] Anybody into their JS (jQuery in particular)? [16:38] !ask | bigcalm [16:38] bigcalm: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [16:38] bigcalm: you know that ;) [16:38] Well, it's not very ubuntu related :P [16:38] Still [16:38] Fair enough :) [16:39] it's quiet [16:39] I'm appending some HTML into an element from inside a function. Once the logic flow has left the function, the created HTML isn't available to other functions [16:39] Wondering how to make it persistant [16:40] don't "add HTML", but add DOM nodes [16:40] they should show up [16:41] Ok, I'll give it a go [16:41] jquery makes that easy [16:46] weird, i canonly find the short versionof click on iplayer.:( [16:49] ithink i will listen to bbc digital planet insted. [16:59] MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/582539/ # made it verbose yet it's still not available outside of the function. [17:02] MartijnVdS: the div and the ul both exist outside of the function, but LIs do not [17:02] bigcalm: read the "will not change" bits on http://api.jquery.com/add/ [17:09] HazRPG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASXnFRYf6LI [17:13] heh, that was pretty nifty [17:25] was thinking of putting 'home' directory on separate partition to use on other versions. do I copy current home/... or myusername/ [under home] to that partition I wonder? [17:36] I'd tend to move /home itself [17:36] Move /home and be sure to modify your fstab to mount by uuid [17:37] (also, the word 'copy' makes me tweak; if you copy /home to a new filesystem, mount it over your old /home, the old contents of /home will still use up disk space but won't be accessible at all) [17:40] if you move /home itself to a new partition then mount that partition on /home you will have /home/home [17:40] which is pobably not what you want [17:47] unexpected backup ;) [18:04] I wonder whether czajkowski is cheering at the minute [18:05] DJones: ithinkthat might be a fair bet. [18:07] Either that or the England camp have gagged her [18:08] hmm. [18:09] I'm down at the northcote now and I don't see anyone here [18:10] duvelhedz: please elaborate, i amnot familier with the name. [18:10] sorry. [18:10] duvelhedz: Are you looking for the ubuntu-uk rugby meetup [18:10] It's where the ubuntu rugby meetup us meant to be [18:11] Did they go elsewhere [18:11] I can see czajkowski on twitter, give me a minute, I'll send a message & ask [18:11] Thang [18:11] Thang [18:11] Thanx [18:17] duvelhedz: No reply yet, I'd say just look for one Irish person cheering, surrounded by a bunch of people pretending to have no interest in the rugby [18:18] Have had a look around the whole place, no sign of them but the place is rammed, thanx DJones [18:19] duvelhedz: czajkowski Just said they were in front of the bar [18:19] Great, thanx for that [18:20] Hope you find them [18:20] DJones: did you see that picture of czajkowski popey,posted on twitter. [18:21] brobostigon: no, I've not seen it [18:21] link? [18:22] DJones: http://twitpic.com/4b3txj she got her wish. :) [18:24] Heh [18:25] Found them, thanx [18:25] :) [18:25] duvelhedz: You're welcome [18:25]