| rick_h_ | jrwren: :P re: twitter | 02:21 |
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| jrwren | rick_h_: saved my ass :) | 13:17 |
| brousch | you mean he finally rescued you from your .net and windows addictions? | 13:18 |
| rick_h_ | huh? | 13:19 |
| jrwren | addictions? purhaps. | 13:19 |
| jrwren | but i was replying re: twitter | 13:19 |
| jrwren | :) | 13:19 |
| rick_h_ | ah, gotcha | 13:19 |
| rick_h_ | the recently closed stuff | 13:19 |
| jrwren | yes | 13:20 |
| brousch | i do not see these things | 13:27 |
| brousch | oh, the tab thing | 13:27 |
| snap-l | ? | 13:47 |
| snap-l | Oh, n/m | 13:49 |
| brousch | i got flask running on dreamhost and google app engine. i am 1337 | 13:52 |
| snap-l | Ugh, just managed to trash my Google Chrome profile | 14:02 |
| jrwren | what is flask? | 14:03 |
| snap-l | Squeezebox duet and squeezebox boom are both on sale on Amazon's deal of the day for $169 | 14:08 |
| jrwren | python is cool. | 14:09 |
| jrwren | urllib.FancyURLopener | 14:09 |
| jrwren | i just love that someone named it Fancy | 14:09 |
| jrwren | what is squeezebox? :) | 14:09 |
| snap-l | It's an internet radio / music device | 14:10 |
| snap-l | quite cool. I have the "clock radio" and it's pretty awesome. | 14:10 |
| snap-l | Has nice server software | 14:10 |
| jrwren | i just patched play2wifi to not require any xbmc packages \m/ | 14:25 |
| jrwren | trivial too. | 14:25 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: http://pychess.org/ | 14:30 |
| rick_h_ | you ever see that? | 14:30 |
| snap-l | Just tried it. It crashed on me. | 14:32 |
| snap-l | "illegal instruction" | 14:33 |
| _stink_ | rick_h_: naw, hadn't | 14:33 |
| snap-l | the one that's in the repo for Lucid is not working | 14:34 |
| _stink_ | hmm. | 14:34 |
| snap-l | I might have botched something | 14:34 |
| snap-l | nope. Still crashing | 14:35 |
| snap-l | For whatever reason I can't even get the version that I downloaded to run without crashing | 14:45 |
| rick_h_ | interesting, they just hit the python announce list with an update | 14:49 |
| rick_h_ | where I ran into it | 14:49 |
| snap-l | trying again | 14:49 |
| snap-l | and crashed | 14:52 |
| snap-l | Submitted them a bug report | 14:52 |
| snap-l | Have any of you had any luck with it? | 14:53 |
| snap-l | too bad there's no pip install. ;) | 14:53 |
| rick_h_ | no, mainly figured _stink_ could steal some AI or something for pyramid chess | 14:55 |
| snap-l | Nice, my mouse just fucked up, so I couldn't click on anything. ;) | 14:59 |
| _stink_ | yeah, i might be stealing some code from it. even if it doesn't work. :P | 15:03 |
| snap-l | _stink_: Oh definitely | 15:05 |
| snap-l | And I think it's something that's specific to my setup | 15:05 |
| snap-l | It does look like a neat program, though | 15:05 |
| brousch | jrwren: Flask is a python microframework. So far i find it easy to use and learn. | 16:56 |
| rick_h_ | http://pycon.blip.tv/file/4880330/ great talk | 17:16 |
| rick_h_ | some pep8/pyflakes love | 17:17 |
| rick_h_ | even though they're django users | 17:17 |
| brousch | i watched the mark ramm vs django talk. it was disappointing | 17:17 |
| brousch | "django, i don't like you, but please share your toys" | 17:18 |
| rick_h_ | yea, well he was invited and was very hate with love kind of thing to it | 17:19 |
| brousch | he wanted to go off but never did, except on poor little web2py | 17:19 |
| rick_h_ | well that's the one thing 95% of python agree on | 17:20 |
| brousch | to me, it came off as him not liking django, but being too restrained to actually say anything bad | 17:20 |
| rick_h_ | there's a huge convore thread on web2py vs everyone else from pycon | 17:20 |
| brousch | i didn't realize it was so controversial | 17:20 |
| rick_h_ | heh, we had this discussion at dinner the first night of pycon | 17:20 |
| rick_h_ | we had some django users in our group | 17:20 |
| rick_h_ | and mark and I went off :) | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | was fun | 17:21 |
| snap-l | Yeah, Mark is pretty consistent about his dislike, but respect of Django | 17:21 |
| snap-l | Maybe even dislike is too strong of a word | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I mean you can't argue that it's a huge win for python as a language/etc | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | it's like saying Ruby would be better off without rails | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | doesn't mean rails doesnt suck | 17:22 |
| snap-l | Just told JoDee that I wrote some nose tests | 17:23 |
| brousch | so far the best talk i've watched is Teaching Python with Robots | 17:23 |
| snap-l | she says "nose"? | 17:23 |
| snap-l | "Yeah, I mean, you have carrot and celery, you need a nose to test them" | 17:23 |
| rick_h_ | awesome | 17:24 |
| jjesse | happy saturday :P | 19:26 |
| rick_h_ | party | 19:34 |
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| brousch_tablet | rick_h_: what did you use to stream lococast live? | 21:15 |
| rick_h_ | ustream | 21:33 |
| rick_h_ | brousch_tablet: ^^ | 21:37 |
| rick_h_ | heh, tablet eh? Did brousch_tablet get a new toy I missed? | 21:37 |
| brousch_tablet | no, my 6 year old hp tc1100 | 21:40 |
| rick_h_ | ah, gotcha | 21:42 |
| jrwren | cacluator? | 21:49 |
| brousch_tablet | tablet | 21:49 |
| jrwren | those are 6yo now? wow. | 21:51 |
| jrwren | would be interesting to drop a SSD in one. | 21:51 |
| jrwren | let it swap to SSD and see how it performs. | 21:52 |
| brousch_tablet | yeah | 22:06 |
| DBO | uhg I am so bored | 23:17 |
| rick_h_ | DBO: boooo | 23:19 |
| rick_h_ | hey, you up for an interview chat about unity sometime? | 23:19 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: thought you might be a good person to chat with | 23:19 |
| DBO | sure | 23:19 |
| DBO | anytime | 23:19 |
| DBO | I love that kind of stuff | 23:19 |
| DBO | its a lot more fun than writing autohide state machine code | 23:19 |
| DBO | (guess what I am doing right now) | 23:19 |
| rick_h_ | cool, PM me an email and I'll ping you on it | 23:20 |
| rick_h_ | heh, wheeee | 23:20 |
| snap-l | heh | 23:20 |
| DBO | jason.smith@canonical.com | 23:20 |
| DBO | no need for PM | 23:20 |
| DBO | that things everywhere... | 23:20 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: let's schedule some time to dit down and grill DBO on unity :P | 23:20 |
| snap-l | I'll bring the skewers | 23:21 |
| greg-g | w00t, follow up skype interview with wikimedia! | 23:21 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Awesomesauce | 23:21 |
| DBO | skewers eh? | 23:22 |
| snap-l | Prefer pitchforks? OK. | 23:22 |
| rick_h_ | heh, well we've been a bit negative, but I had a good talk at pycon with evan | 23:22 |
| DBO | much better thank you | 23:22 |
| rick_h_ | so I guess we have some questions to ask we don't hear a lot about | 23:23 |
| DBO | negative? | 23:23 |
| rick_h_ | our experiences trying unity hasn't convinced us it's the one true way? | 23:23 |
| snap-l | We think that Mark should write more checks and do less UI design | 23:23 |
| DBO | logged channel right? | 23:24 |
| rick_h_ | http://lococast.net/archives/381 & maybe http://lococast.net/tag/unity | 23:24 |
| rick_h_ | yea, channel is logged | 23:24 |
| DBO | right | 23:24 |
| DBO | okay well I understand the feeling | 23:25 |
| DBO | I even empathize with it | 23:25 |
| rick_h_ | well, talking with evan I think there's some points that don't get discussed a lot | 23:25 |
| rick_h_ | it was educational for me | 23:25 |
| snap-l | I know it's a work in progress | 23:25 |
| rick_h_ | so I'ld like to bring some of that out | 23:25 |
| DBO | yeah I'd love to help out | 23:25 |
| rick_h_ | that's my goal anyway | 23:25 |
| snap-l | I'm sympathetic to Ubuntu making changes | 23:25 |
| DBO | Unity is largely misunderstood I think | 23:25 |
| snap-l | Trust us, we're not Boycott Novell | 23:26 |
| rick_h_ | I'll work on some questions/topic stuff in a google doc and share with you | 23:26 |
| rick_h_ | and we'll plan out an interview/etc | 23:26 |
| DBO | snap-l, I like boycott novell, they are like The Onion of FOSS | 23:26 |
| rick_h_ | except they're actually a bit serious | 23:26 |
| rick_h_ | yet just as ridiculus | 23:26 |
| snap-l | DBO: Unintentionally, I'm sure. | 23:26 |
| DBO | yes but they can be quite hard to tell from satire | 23:26 |
| DBO | indeed | 23:27 |
| DBO | i must admit, Im not super big on FLOSS politics | 23:27 |
| snap-l | hear hear | 23:27 |
| DBO | so what are your opinions on Unity | 23:34 |
| DBO | I would love to hear it | 23:34 |
| DBO | good or bad, you dont need to sugar coat it | 23:34 |
| DBO | (I hate how people are afraid of offending me like I designed it or something) | 23:35 |
| rick_h_ | my overall thing is that it seems like all the design/etc going into it is for non-linux uses | 23:36 |
| rick_h_ | and I can see those people liking it, that's a win for sure | 23:36 |
| rick_h_ | but I fear that it leaves out advanced users | 23:36 |
| rick_h_ | and I wonder if long term advanced/power users/developers will abadon for another platform | 23:37 |
| rick_h_ | and Ubuntu will suffer | 23:37 |
| brousch | bah, screw advanced users. they have tiling | 23:37 |
| rick_h_ | you never hear about unityu\ great for dev work unless it's about how much space you save going fullscreen | 23:37 |
| rick_h_ | but what devs runs fullscreen all the time | 23:38 |
| rick_h_ | anyway, this is the type of convo I want to have in the interview, but hope that gets it started | 23:38 |
| DBO | okay, thanks for that, I disagree but thats because I dev in Unity :P | 23:39 |
| rick_h_ | right, and I'm kind of a nut since I coming from AwesomeWM anyway | 23:39 |
| brousch | what ide/editor? | 23:39 |
| rick_h_ | but I think we can agree that most of the design blog posts/usability studies are non-linux 'let's make things easy' users? | 23:40 |
| rick_h_ | so that's what I want to get at, is there just a publicity issue? who's representing the poewr users during design (evan says Mark is a big speaker of that group, which I'd never heard) etc | 23:40 |
| DBO | I would say the major camps are | 23:42 |
| DBO | Newbies have the design team, non-developer power users have mark, and developer level power users have DX | 23:42 |
| brousch | "Rick Harding: a gracious podcaster and hacker who has a very easygoing manner." | 23:43 |
| brousch | easygoing?!?! | 23:43 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 23:43 |
| rick_h_ | hey, nothing to rant about. I was surrounded by python and awesomeness | 23:44 |
| brousch | fascinating | 23:44 |
| DBO | Im going to just go ahead and say it | 23:45 |
| DBO | python is evil | 23:45 |
| brousch | whaaaaat? | 23:46 |
| brousch | now rick_h_ is going to rip you a new one | 23:46 |
| DBO | yeah you heard me | 23:46 |
| DBO | evil | 23:46 |
| DBO | pfft I've been to his house | 23:46 |
| DBO | I know where he lives | 23:46 |
| DBO | I met his wife and ate his cereal | 23:47 |
| brousch | was he aware you did these things? | 23:47 |
| rick_h_ | oh man, he ran away | 23:47 |
| rick_h_ | wtf | 23:47 |
| brousch | of course he did | 23:48 |
| brousch | he just revealed that he met your cereal and ate your wife while you weren't home | 23:49 |
| brousch | DBO: klmz? are you on the west side? | 23:50 |
| DBO | sorry about that | 23:50 |
| DBO | yep | 23:50 |
| DBO | kalamazoo | 23:50 |
| rick_h_ | you haven't left that hole yet? | 23:51 |
| rick_h_ | did you finish school? | 23:51 |
| brousch | hm, well i gues i won't invite you to grpug, but wmlug meets the last thursday of the month in GR | 23:51 |
| DBO | rick_h_, kinda | 23:51 |
| DBO | but I live here now | 23:51 |
| DBO | why? | 23:51 |
| rick_h_ | just curious | 23:52 |
| DBO | well the thing I like about Kalamazoo is that everyone thinks I come from an imaginary place | 23:52 |
| rick_h_ | nice | 23:53 |
| DBO | also, my girlfriend is still going to school here | 23:55 |
| DBO | rick_h_, how are things going for you | 23:56 |
| rick_h_ | good stuff, just got back from pycon, having a lot of fun with bookie, and my 1yr old is crazy | 23:56 |
| Unguided | Hello All! ny of you from the souteast Michigan area? | 23:56 |
| rick_h_ | most of us are | 23:56 |
| Unguided | *southeast | 23:56 |
| Unguided | Hot dog! Im from toledo and can not find anyone who uses ubuntu. Isnt that sad? | 23:57 |
| DBO | Unguided, go to your local computer science campus | 23:57 |
| DBO | I wish there were more folks here from Kalamazoo area | 23:58 |
| Unguided | Yeah. Im a newb to ubuntu myself and was looking for a local group to help me along. Im dyslexic and reading the books is both slow and painful. Im a strong auditory/visual learner. | 23:59 |
| DBO | how does that affect your IRC usage? | 23:59 |
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