[02:21] <rick_h_> jrwren: :P re: twitter
[13:17] <jrwren> rick_h_: saved my ass :)
[13:18] <brousch> you mean he finally rescued you from your .net and windows addictions?
[13:19] <rick_h_> huh?
[13:19] <jrwren> addictions? purhaps.
[13:19] <jrwren> but i was replying re: twitter
[13:19] <jrwren> :)
[13:19] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha
[13:19] <rick_h_> the recently closed stuff
[13:20] <jrwren> yes
[13:27] <brousch> i do not see these things
[13:27] <brousch> oh, the tab thing
[13:47] <snap-l> ?
[13:49] <snap-l> Oh, n/m
[13:52] <brousch> i got flask running on dreamhost and google app engine. i am 1337
[14:02] <snap-l> Ugh, just managed to trash my Google Chrome profile
[14:03] <jrwren> what is flask?
[14:08] <snap-l> Squeezebox duet and squeezebox boom are both on sale on Amazon's deal of the day for $169
[14:09] <jrwren> python is cool.
[14:09] <jrwren> urllib.FancyURLopener
[14:09] <jrwren> i just love that someone named it Fancy
[14:09] <jrwren> what is squeezebox? :)
[14:10] <snap-l> It's an internet radio / music device
[14:10] <snap-l> quite cool. I have the "clock radio" and it's pretty awesome.
[14:10] <snap-l> Has nice server software
[14:25] <jrwren> i just patched play2wifi to not require any xbmc packages \m/
[14:25] <jrwren> trivial too.
[14:30] <rick_h_> _stink_: http://pychess.org/
[14:30] <rick_h_> you ever see that?
[14:32] <snap-l> Just tried it. It crashed on me.
[14:33] <snap-l> "illegal instruction"
[14:33] <_stink_> rick_h_: naw, hadn't
[14:34] <snap-l> the one that's in the repo for Lucid is not working
[14:34] <_stink_> hmm.
[14:34] <snap-l> I might have botched something
[14:35] <snap-l> nope. Still crashing
[14:45] <snap-l> For whatever reason I can't even get the version that I downloaded to run without crashing
[14:49] <rick_h_> interesting, they just hit the python announce list with an update
[14:49] <rick_h_> where I ran into it
[14:49] <snap-l> trying again
[14:52] <snap-l> and crashed
[14:52] <snap-l> Submitted them a bug report
[14:53] <snap-l> Have any of you had any luck with it?
[14:53] <snap-l> too bad there's no pip install. ;)
[14:55] <rick_h_> no, mainly figured _stink_ could steal some AI or something for pyramid chess
[14:59] <snap-l> Nice, my mouse just fucked up, so I couldn't click on anything. ;)
[15:03] <_stink_> yeah, i might be stealing some code from it.  even if it doesn't work. :P
[15:05] <snap-l> _stink_: Oh definitely
[15:05] <snap-l> And I think it's something that's specific to my setup
[15:05] <snap-l> It does look like a neat program, though
[16:56] <brousch> jrwren: Flask is a python microframework. So far i find it easy to use and learn.
[17:16] <rick_h_> http://pycon.blip.tv/file/4880330/ great talk
[17:17] <rick_h_> some pep8/pyflakes love
[17:17] <rick_h_> even though they're django users
[17:17] <brousch> i watched the mark ramm vs django talk. it was disappointing
[17:18] <brousch> "django, i don't like you, but please share your toys"
[17:19] <rick_h_> yea, well he was invited and was very hate with love kind of thing to it
[17:19] <brousch> he wanted to go off but never did, except on poor little web2py
[17:20] <rick_h_> well that's the one thing 95% of python agree on
[17:20] <brousch> to me, it came off as him not liking django, but being too restrained to actually say anything bad
[17:20] <rick_h_> there's a huge convore thread on web2py vs everyone else from pycon
[17:20] <brousch> i didn't realize it was so controversial
[17:20] <rick_h_> heh, we had this discussion at dinner the first night of pycon
[17:20] <rick_h_> we had some django users in our group
[17:21] <rick_h_> and mark and I went off :)
[17:21] <rick_h_> was fun
[17:21] <snap-l> Yeah, Mark is pretty consistent about his dislike, but respect of Django
[17:21] <snap-l> Maybe even dislike is too strong of a word
[17:21] <rick_h_> yea, I mean you can't argue that it's a huge win for python as a language/etc
[17:21] <rick_h_> it's like saying Ruby would be better off without rails
[17:22] <rick_h_> doesn't mean rails doesnt suck
[17:23] <snap-l> Just told JoDee that I wrote some nose tests
[17:23] <brousch> so far the best talk i've watched is Teaching Python with Robots
[17:23] <snap-l> she says "nose"?
[17:23] <snap-l> "Yeah, I mean, you have carrot and celery, you need a nose to test them"
[17:24] <rick_h_> awesome
[19:26] <jjesse> happy saturday :P
[19:34] <rick_h_> party
[21:15] <brousch_tablet> rick_h_: what did you use to stream lococast live?
[21:33] <rick_h_> ustream
[21:37] <rick_h_> brousch_tablet: ^^
[21:37] <rick_h_> heh, tablet eh? Did brousch_tablet get a new toy I missed?
[21:40] <brousch_tablet> no, my 6 year old hp tc1100
[21:42] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha
[21:49] <jrwren> cacluator?
[21:49] <brousch_tablet> tablet
[21:51] <jrwren> those are 6yo now? wow.
[21:51] <jrwren> would be interesting to drop a SSD in one.
[21:52] <jrwren> let it swap to SSD and see how it performs.
[22:06] <brousch_tablet> yeah
[23:17] <DBO> uhg I am so bored
[23:19] <rick_h_> DBO: boooo
[23:19] <rick_h_> hey, you up for an interview chat about unity sometime?
[23:19] <rick_h_> jcastro: thought you might be a good person to chat with
[23:19] <DBO> sure
[23:19] <DBO> anytime
[23:19] <DBO> I love that kind of stuff
[23:19] <DBO> its a lot more fun than writing autohide state machine code
[23:19] <DBO> (guess what I am doing right now)
[23:20] <rick_h_> cool, PM me an email and I'll ping you on it
[23:20] <rick_h_> heh, wheeee
[23:20] <snap-l> heh
[23:20] <DBO> jason.smith@canonical.com
[23:20] <DBO> no need for PM
[23:20] <DBO> that things everywhere...
[23:20] <rick_h_> snap-l: let's schedule some time to dit down and grill DBO on unity :P
[23:21] <snap-l> I'll bring the skewers
[23:21] <greg-g> w00t, follow up skype interview with wikimedia!
[23:21] <snap-l> greg-g: Awesomesauce
[23:22] <DBO> skewers eh?
[23:22] <snap-l> Prefer pitchforks? OK.
[23:22] <rick_h_> heh, well we've been a bit negative, but I had a good talk at pycon with evan
[23:22] <DBO> much better thank you
[23:23] <rick_h_> so I guess we have some questions to ask we don't hear a lot about
[23:23] <DBO> negative?
[23:23] <rick_h_> our experiences trying unity hasn't convinced us it's the one true way?
[23:23] <snap-l> We think that Mark should write more checks and do less UI design
[23:24] <DBO> logged channel right?
[23:24] <rick_h_> http://lococast.net/archives/381 & maybe http://lococast.net/tag/unity
[23:24] <rick_h_> yea, channel is logged
[23:24] <DBO> right
[23:25] <DBO> okay well I understand the feeling
[23:25] <DBO> I even empathize with it
[23:25] <rick_h_> well, talking with evan I think there's some points that don't get discussed a lot
[23:25] <rick_h_> it was educational for me
[23:25] <snap-l> I know it's a work in progress
[23:25] <rick_h_> so I'ld like to bring some of that out
[23:25] <DBO> yeah I'd love to help out
[23:25] <rick_h_> that's my goal anyway
[23:25] <snap-l> I'm sympathetic to Ubuntu making changes
[23:25] <DBO> Unity is largely misunderstood I think
[23:26] <snap-l> Trust us, we're not Boycott Novell
[23:26] <rick_h_> I'll work on some questions/topic stuff in a google doc and share with you
[23:26] <rick_h_> and we'll plan out an interview/etc
[23:26] <DBO> snap-l, I like boycott novell, they are like The Onion of FOSS
[23:26] <rick_h_> except they're actually a bit serious
[23:26] <rick_h_> yet just as ridiculus
[23:26] <snap-l> DBO: Unintentionally, I'm sure.
[23:26] <DBO> yes but they can be quite hard to tell from satire
[23:27] <DBO> indeed
[23:27] <DBO> i must admit, Im not super big on FLOSS politics
[23:27] <snap-l> hear hear
[23:34] <DBO> so what are your opinions on Unity
[23:34] <DBO> I would love to hear it
[23:34] <DBO> good or bad, you dont need to sugar coat it
[23:35] <DBO> (I hate how people are afraid of offending me like I designed it or something)
[23:36] <rick_h_> my overall thing is that it seems like all the design/etc going into it is for non-linux uses
[23:36] <rick_h_> and I can see those people liking it, that's a win for sure
[23:36] <rick_h_> but I fear that it leaves out advanced users
[23:37] <rick_h_> and I wonder if long term advanced/power users/developers will abadon for another platform
[23:37] <rick_h_> and Ubuntu will suffer
[23:37] <brousch> bah, screw advanced users. they have tiling
[23:37] <rick_h_> you never hear about unityu\ great for dev work unless it's about how much space you save going fullscreen
[23:38] <rick_h_> but what devs runs fullscreen all the time
[23:38] <rick_h_> anyway, this is the type of convo I want to have in the interview, but hope that gets it started
[23:39] <DBO> okay, thanks for that, I disagree but thats because I dev in Unity :P
[23:39] <rick_h_> right, and I'm kind of a nut since I coming from AwesomeWM anyway
[23:39] <brousch> what ide/editor?
[23:40] <rick_h_> but I think we can agree that most of the design blog posts/usability studies are non-linux 'let's make things easy' users?
[23:40] <rick_h_> so that's what I want to get at, is there just a publicity issue? who's representing the poewr users during design (evan says Mark is a big speaker of that group, which I'd never heard) etc
[23:42] <DBO> I would say the major camps are
[23:42] <DBO> Newbies have the design team, non-developer power users have mark, and developer level power users have DX
[23:43] <brousch> "Rick Harding: a gracious podcaster and hacker who has a very easygoing manner."
[23:43] <brousch> easygoing?!?!
[23:43] <rick_h_> lol
[23:44] <rick_h_> hey, nothing to rant about. I was surrounded by python and awesomeness
[23:44] <brousch> fascinating
[23:45] <DBO> Im going to just go ahead and say it
[23:45] <DBO> python is evil
[23:46] <brousch> whaaaaat?
[23:46] <brousch> now rick_h_ is going to rip you a new one
[23:46] <DBO> yeah you heard me
[23:46] <DBO> evil
[23:46] <DBO> pfft I've been to his house
[23:46] <DBO> I know where he lives
[23:47] <DBO> I met his wife and ate his cereal
[23:47] <brousch> was he aware you did these things?
[23:47] <rick_h_> oh man, he ran away
[23:47] <rick_h_> wtf
[23:48] <brousch> of course he did
[23:49] <brousch> he just revealed that he met your cereal and ate your wife while you weren't home
[23:50] <brousch> DBO: klmz? are you on the west side?
[23:50] <DBO> sorry about that
[23:50] <DBO> yep
[23:50] <DBO> kalamazoo
[23:51] <rick_h_> you haven't left that hole yet?
[23:51] <rick_h_> did you finish school?
[23:51] <brousch> hm, well i gues i won't invite you to grpug, but wmlug meets the last thursday of the month in GR
[23:51] <DBO> rick_h_, kinda
[23:51] <DBO> but I live here now
[23:51] <DBO> why?
[23:52] <rick_h_> just curious
[23:52] <DBO> well the thing I like about Kalamazoo is that everyone thinks I come from an imaginary place
[23:53] <rick_h_> nice
[23:55] <DBO> also, my girlfriend is still going to school here
[23:56] <DBO> rick_h_, how are things going for you
[23:56] <rick_h_> good stuff, just got back from pycon, having a lot of fun with bookie, and my 1yr old is crazy
[23:56] <Unguided> Hello All! ny of you from the souteast Michigan area?
[23:56] <rick_h_> most of us are
[23:56] <Unguided> *southeast
[23:57] <Unguided> Hot dog! Im from toledo and can not find anyone who uses ubuntu. Isnt that sad?
[23:57] <DBO> Unguided, go to your local computer science campus
[23:58] <DBO> I wish there were more folks here from Kalamazoo area
[23:59] <Unguided> Yeah. Im a newb to ubuntu myself and was looking for a local group to help me along. Im dyslexic and reading the books is both slow and painful. Im a strong auditory/visual learner.
[23:59] <DBO> how does that affect your IRC usage?