[02:21] jrwren: :P re: twitter [13:17] rick_h_: saved my ass :) [13:18] you mean he finally rescued you from your .net and windows addictions? [13:19] huh? [13:19] addictions? purhaps. [13:19] but i was replying re: twitter [13:19] :) [13:19] ah, gotcha [13:19] the recently closed stuff [13:20] yes [13:27] i do not see these things [13:27] oh, the tab thing [13:47] ? [13:49] Oh, n/m [13:52] i got flask running on dreamhost and google app engine. i am 1337 [14:02] Ugh, just managed to trash my Google Chrome profile [14:03] what is flask? [14:08] Squeezebox duet and squeezebox boom are both on sale on Amazon's deal of the day for $169 [14:09] python is cool. [14:09] urllib.FancyURLopener [14:09] i just love that someone named it Fancy [14:09] what is squeezebox? :) [14:10] It's an internet radio / music device [14:10] quite cool. I have the "clock radio" and it's pretty awesome. [14:10] Has nice server software [14:25] i just patched play2wifi to not require any xbmc packages \m/ [14:25] trivial too. [14:30] _stink_: http://pychess.org/ [14:30] you ever see that? [14:32] Just tried it. It crashed on me. [14:33] "illegal instruction" [14:33] <_stink_> rick_h_: naw, hadn't [14:34] the one that's in the repo for Lucid is not working [14:34] <_stink_> hmm. [14:34] I might have botched something [14:35] nope. Still crashing [14:45] For whatever reason I can't even get the version that I downloaded to run without crashing [14:49] interesting, they just hit the python announce list with an update [14:49] where I ran into it [14:49] trying again [14:52] and crashed [14:52] Submitted them a bug report [14:53] Have any of you had any luck with it? [14:53] too bad there's no pip install. ;) [14:55] no, mainly figured _stink_ could steal some AI or something for pyramid chess [14:59] Nice, my mouse just fucked up, so I couldn't click on anything. ;) [15:03] <_stink_> yeah, i might be stealing some code from it. even if it doesn't work. :P [15:05] _stink_: Oh definitely [15:05] And I think it's something that's specific to my setup [15:05] It does look like a neat program, though [16:56] jrwren: Flask is a python microframework. So far i find it easy to use and learn. [17:16] http://pycon.blip.tv/file/4880330/ great talk [17:17] some pep8/pyflakes love [17:17] even though they're django users [17:17] i watched the mark ramm vs django talk. it was disappointing [17:18] "django, i don't like you, but please share your toys" [17:19] yea, well he was invited and was very hate with love kind of thing to it [17:19] he wanted to go off but never did, except on poor little web2py [17:20] well that's the one thing 95% of python agree on [17:20] to me, it came off as him not liking django, but being too restrained to actually say anything bad [17:20] there's a huge convore thread on web2py vs everyone else from pycon [17:20] i didn't realize it was so controversial [17:20] heh, we had this discussion at dinner the first night of pycon [17:20] we had some django users in our group [17:21] and mark and I went off :) [17:21] was fun [17:21] Yeah, Mark is pretty consistent about his dislike, but respect of Django [17:21] Maybe even dislike is too strong of a word [17:21] yea, I mean you can't argue that it's a huge win for python as a language/etc [17:21] it's like saying Ruby would be better off without rails [17:22] doesn't mean rails doesnt suck [17:23] Just told JoDee that I wrote some nose tests [17:23] so far the best talk i've watched is Teaching Python with Robots [17:23] she says "nose"? [17:23] "Yeah, I mean, you have carrot and celery, you need a nose to test them" [17:24] awesome [19:26] happy saturday :P [19:34] party === Team-Xlink is now known as TeamXlink === alticor_ is now known as strangeone [21:15] rick_h_: what did you use to stream lococast live? [21:33] ustream [21:37] brousch_tablet: ^^ [21:37] heh, tablet eh? Did brousch_tablet get a new toy I missed? [21:40] no, my 6 year old hp tc1100 [21:42] ah, gotcha [21:49] cacluator? [21:49] tablet [21:51] those are 6yo now? wow. [21:51] would be interesting to drop a SSD in one. [21:52] let it swap to SSD and see how it performs. [22:06] yeah [23:17] uhg I am so bored [23:19] DBO: boooo [23:19] hey, you up for an interview chat about unity sometime? [23:19] jcastro: thought you might be a good person to chat with [23:19] sure [23:19] anytime [23:19] I love that kind of stuff [23:19] its a lot more fun than writing autohide state machine code [23:19] (guess what I am doing right now) [23:20] cool, PM me an email and I'll ping you on it [23:20] heh, wheeee [23:20] heh [23:20] jason.smith@canonical.com [23:20] no need for PM [23:20] that things everywhere... [23:20] snap-l: let's schedule some time to dit down and grill DBO on unity :P [23:21] I'll bring the skewers [23:21] w00t, follow up skype interview with wikimedia! [23:21] greg-g: Awesomesauce [23:22] skewers eh? [23:22] Prefer pitchforks? OK. [23:22] heh, well we've been a bit negative, but I had a good talk at pycon with evan [23:22] much better thank you [23:23] so I guess we have some questions to ask we don't hear a lot about [23:23] negative? [23:23] our experiences trying unity hasn't convinced us it's the one true way? [23:23] We think that Mark should write more checks and do less UI design [23:24] logged channel right? [23:24] http://lococast.net/archives/381 & maybe http://lococast.net/tag/unity [23:24] yea, channel is logged [23:24] right [23:25] okay well I understand the feeling [23:25] I even empathize with it [23:25] well, talking with evan I think there's some points that don't get discussed a lot [23:25] it was educational for me [23:25] I know it's a work in progress [23:25] so I'ld like to bring some of that out [23:25] yeah I'd love to help out [23:25] that's my goal anyway [23:25] I'm sympathetic to Ubuntu making changes [23:25] Unity is largely misunderstood I think [23:26] Trust us, we're not Boycott Novell [23:26] I'll work on some questions/topic stuff in a google doc and share with you [23:26] and we'll plan out an interview/etc [23:26] snap-l, I like boycott novell, they are like The Onion of FOSS [23:26] except they're actually a bit serious [23:26] yet just as ridiculus [23:26] DBO: Unintentionally, I'm sure. [23:26] yes but they can be quite hard to tell from satire [23:27] indeed [23:27] i must admit, Im not super big on FLOSS politics [23:27] hear hear [23:34] so what are your opinions on Unity [23:34] I would love to hear it [23:34] good or bad, you dont need to sugar coat it [23:35] (I hate how people are afraid of offending me like I designed it or something) [23:36] my overall thing is that it seems like all the design/etc going into it is for non-linux uses [23:36] and I can see those people liking it, that's a win for sure [23:36] but I fear that it leaves out advanced users [23:37] and I wonder if long term advanced/power users/developers will abadon for another platform [23:37] and Ubuntu will suffer [23:37] bah, screw advanced users. they have tiling [23:37] you never hear about unityu\ great for dev work unless it's about how much space you save going fullscreen [23:38] but what devs runs fullscreen all the time [23:38] anyway, this is the type of convo I want to have in the interview, but hope that gets it started [23:39] okay, thanks for that, I disagree but thats because I dev in Unity :P [23:39] right, and I'm kind of a nut since I coming from AwesomeWM anyway [23:39] what ide/editor? [23:40] but I think we can agree that most of the design blog posts/usability studies are non-linux 'let's make things easy' users? [23:40] so that's what I want to get at, is there just a publicity issue? who's representing the poewr users during design (evan says Mark is a big speaker of that group, which I'd never heard) etc [23:42] I would say the major camps are [23:42] Newbies have the design team, non-developer power users have mark, and developer level power users have DX [23:43] "Rick Harding: a gracious podcaster and hacker who has a very easygoing manner." [23:43] easygoing?!?! [23:43] lol [23:44] hey, nothing to rant about. I was surrounded by python and awesomeness [23:44] fascinating [23:45] Im going to just go ahead and say it [23:45] python is evil [23:46] whaaaaat? [23:46] now rick_h_ is going to rip you a new one [23:46] yeah you heard me [23:46] evil [23:46] pfft I've been to his house [23:46] I know where he lives [23:47] I met his wife and ate his cereal [23:47] was he aware you did these things? [23:47] oh man, he ran away [23:47] wtf [23:48] of course he did [23:49] he just revealed that he met your cereal and ate your wife while you weren't home [23:50] DBO: klmz? are you on the west side? [23:50] sorry about that [23:50] yep [23:50] kalamazoo [23:51] you haven't left that hole yet? [23:51] did you finish school? [23:51] hm, well i gues i won't invite you to grpug, but wmlug meets the last thursday of the month in GR [23:51] rick_h_, kinda [23:51] but I live here now [23:51] why? [23:52] just curious [23:52] well the thing I like about Kalamazoo is that everyone thinks I come from an imaginary place [23:53] nice [23:55] also, my girlfriend is still going to school here [23:56] rick_h_, how are things going for you [23:56] good stuff, just got back from pycon, having a lot of fun with bookie, and my 1yr old is crazy [23:56] Hello All! ny of you from the souteast Michigan area? [23:56] most of us are [23:56] *southeast [23:57] Hot dog! Im from toledo and can not find anyone who uses ubuntu. Isnt that sad? [23:57] Unguided, go to your local computer science campus [23:58] I wish there were more folks here from Kalamazoo area [23:59] Yeah. Im a newb to ubuntu myself and was looking for a local group to help me along. Im dyslexic and reading the books is both slow and painful. Im a strong auditory/visual learner. [23:59] how does that affect your IRC usage?