[01:53] <xiambax> Ive been able to boot to usb now
[01:53] <xiambax> with a key
[01:53] <xiambax> and i can use the whole os as a live image
[01:53] <xiambax> but installer isn't working
[02:01] <xiambax> after i press forward during the installer it just sits there
[02:35] <pietro10> Hi. what button do I hit to bypass thhe ubuntu screen on startup and go to the kernel boot log?
[02:36] <bazhang> hold shift at boot and set there
[02:36] <pietro10> ok thanks
[02:36] <bazhang> !nox
[02:37] <pietro10> judging from recovery comode booing me up, I don't think that's the answer
[02:37] <pietro10> (recovery mode
[02:38] <pietro10> holding shift doesn't seem to work....
[02:40] <pietro10> eh I could try it
[02:43] <pietro10> ok adding text to the linux line didn't do anything
[02:43] <pietro10> still on the graphical boot
[02:43] <pietro10> ...nosplash!
[02:44] <pietro10> also did it on the init line by mistake lol
[02:44] <pietro10> ok so it's not nosplash...
[02:47] <pietro10> ok got it...
[02:47] <pietro10> it's just hanging after starting timidity++
[02:47] <pietro10> ... b43 switched from DMA to PIO — mayb e that's why I had to boot into windows first with 10.10...
[02:47] <pietro10> but it's still hanging for no reason
[02:48] <pietro10> and I got this error in recovery mode too; and I still was able to get in
[02:52] <pietro10> hm
[02:52] <pietro10> just a theory
[02:52] <pietro10> is there a way to disable nVidia?
[03:03] <kothaguy_ubuntu> hi friends,i want to know the default applications in the natty,i am interesed to install the natty
[03:03] <kothaguy_ubuntu> is there any list of the default applications in the ubuntu 11.04
[03:11] <xiambax> if I'm having issues with the installer i can run updates via the live install disk and try the installer and the issue may be resolved right?
[03:12] <arand> xiambax: I don't know if you can update the installer in the live session I'm afraid.
[03:12] <xiambax> I can't seem to get this thing to install
[03:12] <xiambax> i dunno whats going on
[03:13] <xiambax> tried dvd
[03:13] <xiambax> didn't work
[03:13] <xiambax> tried usb
[03:13] <arand> xiambax: try alternate CD?
[03:13] <xiambax> didn't work
[03:13] <arand> Also, in what way does it not work
[03:13] <kothaguy_ubuntu>  hi friends,recently i downloaded an iso image of natty of ubuntu using zsync,download is completed,i want to use the iso image,a lock mark and cross mark is there on the image,i am unable to copy that image to other folder,i want to make a live cd of it and i want to use it,help please
[03:13] <xiambax> thats my next goal after this finishes updating
[03:14] <xiambax> i click next during the installer and it just freezes there
[03:14] <xiambax> before that i was getting an errno 5 error
[03:15] <arand> kothaguy_ubuntu: What are the permissions on it?
[03:15] <pietro10> Is there a boot option for disabling nVidia? I want to see if that's why normal boot hangs, but recovery does't. (after upgrade from 10.10)
[03:16] <kothaguy_ubuntu> arand, it is saying i am not a root,what i am intended to do is,i want to make a bootable usb of that image with unetbootin,if i give a root permission also,the lock mark is still there on the image
[03:18] <arand> pietro10: There should be some kind of blacklist boot parameter, also, if you get in recovery, you can remove the nvidia drivers there, right?
[03:18] <pietro10> IDK how
[03:18] <pietro10> I can always reinstall them later
[03:18] <pietro10> how would I do that?
[03:18] <pietro10> (I only got them because noveau wouldn't work with my external screen)
[03:19] <xiambax> how can i launch the installer and see whats causing it to lock up
[03:19] <xiambax> xkill
[03:21] <arand> pietro10: I think you should be able to run jockey from the terminal,
[03:21] <pietro10> jockey?
[03:21] <arand> the driver installer
[03:21] <xiambax> yeah
[03:21] <pietro10> ah
[03:21] <arand> .../uninstaller
[03:22] <arand> xiambax: I think /var/log/installer/ would leave some hints if it notices any errors
[03:24] <pietro10> jockey not installed, not found in apt-get
[03:25] <pietro10> what's the package/
[03:26] <arand> Ah, hmm, there's only jockey-gtk/kde, so that won't be of any use, I could've sworn there was a -cli as well...
[03:27] <pietro10> did a google search... got results from 2007
[03:27] <pietro10> this is why google+ubuntu forums=fail =P
[03:28] <arand> Hmm, hang on, it does...
[03:28] <arand> jockey-text is the command
[03:28] <pietro10> ah
[03:30] <pietro10> disabling...
[03:32] <xiambax> So heres what i did to resolve the issue
[03:32] <xiambax> I updated ubiquity on alpha 3 and started the installer. it appears to be working now
[03:33] <pietro10> disabled; rebooting...
[03:34] <arand> Oh, excellent... I was under the impression that several parts of the installer was locked to the version of the liveCD
[03:34] <pietro10> YES that was it
[03:34] <xiambax> well its an alpha 3 installer
[03:34] <pietro10> thanks!
[03:34] <xiambax> but a bug was fixed
[03:34] <xiambax> so updating the installer fixed it
[03:36] <arand> pietro10: Well, now I guess one has to hope that reinstalling new nvidia drivers might work better... or that nouveau has better dual-screen-support this version...
[03:36] <pietro10> :/
[03:36] <pietro10> ok now
[03:36] <pietro10> what's the best way to configure compiz this time? it wanted to remove simple-ccsm and I use compiz's screen magnifier...
[03:36] <pietro10> reinstall simple-cccm?
[03:37] <hasenj> question: flash keeps crashing in firefox, anyone else has this problem? And yes, I have adblockplus and I'm not gonna disable it
[03:38] <arand> Well, I tend to use the ccsm full, I don't know really pietro10
[03:38] <pietro10> :/
[03:38] <pietro10> ok then...
[03:38] <pietro10> ...is "GSettings Upgrade" crashing a bad thing
[03:38] <pietro10> er "GSettings Data Conversion"
[03:43] <pietro10> okay zooming doesn't seem to work anymore
[03:45] <pietro10> specifically "Enhanced Zoom Desktop"
[03:51] <pietro10> Enhanced Zoom Desktop doesn't work in the GNOME2 mode even with a keyboard setting on. How do I fix this?
[04:03] <jmarsden> Why has /usr/lib/libexpat.a in Maverick moved to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libexpat.a in Natty?  Is that deliberate??
[05:12] <xiambax> how can i start compiz if it crashed
[05:12] <xiambax> without having to log out
[05:13] <xiambax> nm
[05:32] <ChrisBuchholz> xiambax: yeah, i am interested in knowing that too
[05:32] <xiambax> how to restart compiz?
[05:32] <xiambax> just do "compiz --replace"
[05:35] <xiambax> ps alpha 3 needs to be updates as the installer has bugs
[05:38] <ChrisBuchholz> xiambax: but, how would you do that when compiz has crashed? When compiz crashes for me on alpha 3, it seems to also break any keyboard shortcut (for run dialog and so on)
[05:38] <xiambax> just open a terminal and do that
[05:38] <xiambax> it starts it
[05:38] <xiambax> trust me
[05:38] <xiambax> just worked for me
[05:38] <ChrisBuchholz> i see
[05:38] <ChrisBuchholz> thanks
[05:39] <kothaguy_ubuntu> hi friends,i just downloaded 11.04,i want to install it with clean,if any new update is there,i can get it from the update manager na?
[05:40] <kothaguy_ubuntu> since,upgrading to natty is compulsory for me,as it solve my sd card reader problem,and internal mic roblem
[05:41] <kothaguy_ubuntu> anybody there
[05:42] <ChrisBuchholz> kothaguy_ubuntu: well, in the installer, there is an option to "download and install updates".
[05:43] <ChrisBuchholz> Can anybody tell me how maximization+the Dock works? Sometimes if i maximize a window, it will maximize but keep space for the Dock on the left side, which is keept visible. Other times it maximizes 100% horizontally and the Dock autohides. How does it work? How do I choose one anothe?
[05:44] <xiambax> for Cairo Dock?
[05:45] <Tohuw> I believe he means Unity's dock...
[05:45] <kothaguy_ubuntu> ChrisBuchholz, :i have one doubt,if i make a clean install of the natty,the beta releases and other updates,can be installed frm the update manager?
[05:46] <ChrisBuchholz> Tohuw, xiambax: yes, the Unity dock
[05:46] <xiambax> oh
[05:46] <ChrisBuchholz> kothaguy_ubuntu: yes they can.
[05:46] <xiambax> I don't use unity
[05:46] <Tohuw> ChrisBuchholz: The maximization is supposed to cover the dock completely. The behavior of a nautilus window is correct.
[05:47] <xiambax> It is the bane of my existence
[05:47] <kothaguy_ubuntu> k,can i use 11.04 kernel to my 10.04?will it works?
[05:47] <ChrisBuchholz> Tohuw: i see. Sometimes it just doesnt, but leaves space for the Dock which is done shown all the time. I rather like that alternative for some apps, i must say.
[05:48] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: The current kernel in Natty is not backported to 10.04. If you're seeking to upgrade to Natty, upgrade to 10.10, then update-manager -d to upgrade to natty.
[05:48] <Tohuw> ChrisBuchholz: As do I. I've been meaning to put in a wishlist bug for that to be an option (alt+maximize or so).
[05:49] <ChrisBuchholz> Tohuw: yes, i see, okay.
[05:49] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: back up first.
[05:51] <kothaguy_ubuntu> tohow:what will you suggest me,backup home and do a clean install of 11.04,and update it daily,i have downloaded 11.04's iso with zsync or what is you suggestion for me?
[05:51] <Tohuw> if you've downloaded it, kothaguy_ubuntu, it's easier to just backup your current system, then do a clean install of 11.04
[05:54] <kothaguy_ubuntu> Tohuw, :thank you,whether i have to install all the other applications once agian,i am using a net,where the maxium speed is 25 kbps
[05:59] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: ouch! well, each package involves signficant updates. Unfortunately, for maximum stability, I'd suggest just a clean install and then installing all the packages fresh. You might consider downloading them ahead of time at another site where the Internet is faster.
[06:00] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: all packages can be downloaded individually at http://packages.ubuntu.org, or by using the "download package files only" option in the GUI, or apt-get -d name_of_package on any system with the proper repos selected.
[06:01] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: maybe you can go someplace where the connection speed is better, throw in an Ubuntu LiveCD, and download the packages with a flash drive? Then you can just install them all on your system.
[06:03] <kothaguy_ubuntu> Tohuw, :once again thankyou,what is the difference when i am downloading a total file and downloading a package,for ex what is the difference bwteen sudo apt-get install vlc and sudo apt-get -d vlc ??
[06:04] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: the latter command will just download the .deb for you, not unpack and install it.
[06:04] <kothaguy_ubuntu> Tohuw, :usage of the inernet in the data will be differ in the later command?
[06:05] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: no.
[06:06] <kothaguy_ubuntu> i want to now other,now i am using 10.04,can i get all the .deb's of applications what i am using,from my system?
[06:12] <Tohuw> kothaguy_ubuntu: Sort of, yes. But it's a bad idea. The packages you have installed are for 10.04, not 11.04. There's a difference. many have been updated, some simply won't work, etc.
[06:16] <kothaguy_ubuntu> Tohuw:regarding backup of evoluion,empathy,gwibber these are the same in the 110.04 also,whether i have to install my mail accounts in 11.04 alos,or can i take this backup in 10.04 and use in 11.04
[06:20] <kothaguy_ubuntu> unable to open packages.ubuntu.org nothing is there,except a banner
[07:51] <kuttans> anyone made compiz working in natty
[07:51] <kuttans> 0.9.4 is broken and unable to fix it
[07:56] <kuttans> noone using compiz
[08:45] <ChrisBuchholz> Hello guys. I am trying to check out the ayatana overlay scrollbar, but nothing happens when i open an application. I have done the commands on the bottom of marks post[1], but when i get to the last line and opens gnome-appearance-properties, the scrollbars are just normal. [1]: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/615
[09:40] <zniavre> good morning
[09:41] <zniavre> anyone experiencing huge memory leaks with vlc and/or pulseaudio ?
[10:59] <rr0hit> Does'nt Unity support systray icons for applications like vlc?
[11:03] <cdbs> rr0hit: Ther's a way to work around that, just a sec
[11:03] <cdbs> rr0hit: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/how-to-hide-or-show-app-tray-applets-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[11:03] <Guest60073> They are on some blacklist. Omg ubuntu had article about it.
[11:03] <Guest60073> /me doesn't remember how to enable tray icons.
[11:04] <Guest60073> Yes, that article :)
[11:05] <Guest60073> Cdbs send that link again
[11:05] <cdbs> Guest60073: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/how-to-hide-or-show-app-tray-applets-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[11:06] <Guest60073> Rr0hit ^^
[11:06] <Guest60073> This client (jmirc) doesn't have copy and paste :(
[11:06] <rr0hit> Guest60073: ok thanks :)
[12:00] <trijntje> Hi all, I cannot install updates because I get the following error, what can I do to fix this?
[12:00] <trijntje> Failed to fetch http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xserver-xorg-video-nv/xserver-xorg-video-nv_2.1.17-3ubuntu7_i386.deb 403  Forbidden
[12:06] <bullgard4> Synaptic 0.70 offers to install the DEB program package gnome3-session. I'd like testing GNOME 3. Is installing the package gnome3-session the proper way to test GNOME 3? Where can I read a background article before I endeavour that?
[12:06] <nerdshell_> When is the release officially programmed ?
[12:08] <Guest60073> !natty
[12:08] <nerdshell_> Thanks ubottu
[12:09] <nerdshell_> I just can't help waiting to see what's new
[12:09] <Guest60073> !thanks | nerdshell_
[12:09] <Guest60073> !thanks | nerdshell_
[12:11] <yofel> trijntje: 403 errors usually mean the archive admins blocked it since the package is broken (denying access is a kind of last resort when something goes horribly wrong)
[12:11] <yofel> or maybe your mirror is just broken
[12:12] <nerdshell_> Is there any unstable release of natty for developers ?
[12:12] <bazhang> nerdshell_, its an alpha now
[12:12] <yofel> sure, see the link in the topic
[12:13] <nerdshell_> When would the beta be released ?
[12:14] <trijntje> yofel, it has been this way for a few day's, is there a way to set another mirror?
[12:16] <yofel> trijntje: you can select a different mirror in your software sources settings
[12:17] <trijntje> yofel, found it, thanks, hope it works
[12:20] <trijntje> its downloading now, lets see if it breaks horribly
[12:22] <trijntje> brb
[12:27] <afv> hi, how can i save the dmesg output before a crash?
[12:31] <bullgard4> afv: Do you mean just a few seconds before? Or in general?
[12:31] <afv> hmm, both maybe
[12:32] <bullgard4> afv: In general you can save the file /var/log/dmesg.log.0.
[12:32] <bullgard4> Just as you would save any other file.
[12:32] <afv> but that's the last one when the system started ok
[12:32] <bullgard4> Yes.
[12:32] <afv> i rebooted a couple of times and it crashed, and that's not logged :\
[12:33] <afv> that's my question :)
[12:34] <afv> when the system crashes and there's no /var/log/dmesg, is there a way to force it to keep writing, so we can get it after the crash?
[12:34] <bullgard4> afv: Your analysis depends on the instant when the crash happened. Can you try to boot into recovery mode?
[12:35] <afv> well, i have a laptop with the nvidia optimus technology and i'm trying to get the dmesg of a boot after the nvidia has been activated on windows
[12:35] <afv> (i have exposed this at #nouveau)
[12:36] <afv> at around 7 seconds the laptop screen is turned off, there's some disk activity, but then it stops
[12:37] <afv> i tried to ssh but it seems it crashed or something: no network, no screen, no tty (tried to switch to a tty and write, even with the screen off, but it didn't work)
[12:38] <afv> ctrl+alt+del reboots, so it's not a "hard crash", i guess, but there's no logs :\
[12:39] <bullgard4> afv: First off - if you "the nvidia has been activated on windows" is not relevant.
[12:39] <afv> (and on a cold boot the screen goes off at the same point too, but then it goes on when X starts)
[12:40] <afv> i think it is, because that's when it hangs..
[12:41] <bullgard4> afv: I doubt that /var/log/dmesg.0  does not contain valuable information for you.
[12:42] <afv> it doesn't hang in a cold boot (the nvidia is detected) nor in a reboot (and here the nvidia is not detected), but hangs on rebooting after windows (the nvidia is detected)
[12:43] <bullgard4> afv: For the last time: "Windows is not relevant in your case."
[12:43] <afv> why not?
[12:43] <bullgard4> afv: Because it is another operating system.
[12:44] <afv> sure it is, but is the operating system that can activate the nvidia card, and that's why i want to get the dmesg after it being activated
[12:45] <bullgard4> afv: Good luck.
[12:45] <afv> thanks
[12:46] <afv> and i told you the /var/log/dmesg.log.0 is the dmesg from when it started okay, not from when it hangs..
[12:48] <afv> i just referred windows because i was trying to explain what i am doing. the question is: how to get the dmesg before the system hangs, proven that it is not saved to dmesg.0
[13:59] <afv> tried again, this time booting a live cd after the hang, and there's no logs..
[14:01] <SudoKing> there are no logs after hangs
[14:01] <penguin42> afv: It depends how/why it hangs - if it's really broken then there is no chance to write anything to disk
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:07] <penguin42> Hey BK
[14:08] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42 any reports of flash crashes in FF4 ?
[14:08] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I've not noticed any reports but hey I mean flash crashing that wouldn't be exactly unusual
[14:10] <BluesKaj> penguin42, , yeah ,it was stable for the longest time til just now
[14:11] <arand> BluesKaj: I know someone else was in here asking about the sme thing, so at least 2 afffected then I guess
[14:13] <PaulW2U>  I too have experienced a flash crash but using Opera. Making the display full screen all is well until you press escape to revert to normal. Then your display goes crazy.
[14:14]  * penguin42 gets them all the time - have done for years
[14:18] <alex88> the patch in the new kernel that improves performance is the "old" 200rows patch?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, Opera isn't ready for primetime on natty , alot of pages don't render properly from my experience.
[14:19] <BUGabundo> I have no idea who finally coded Alt+Tab in GNOME, but I want to kiss him/her!!!!
[14:19] <BUGabundo> o/
[14:22] <PaulW2U> BluesKaj, not in my experience. I have four Ubuntu setups and three Windows setups - no problems here
[14:22]  * BluesKaj admires those who can run gnome enjoyably . you must have the gift of fortitude and patience :)
[14:24] <BUGabundo> doh
[14:24] <BUGabundo> I meant Alt+Tab while dragging :P
[14:24] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, maybe it's kde 4.6 acrting up then
[14:24] <BluesKaj> err acting up
[14:25]  * BUGabundo slaps BluesKaj
[14:26] <wierd0{}>  please archive /etc/fonts directory for me, and link a url i could fetch it from ?  i replaced mine from that of hardys and the results was less than hopeful.
[14:26] <PaulW2U> BluesKaj, I also have a KDE 4.6 setup - all seems ok. I always run the latest daily build too. Rendering pages has not been one of Opera's problems in my experience.
[14:26] <wierd0{}> ooops could someone
[14:26] <wierd0{}> sorry
[14:29] <afv> penguin42, what can i do to force the writing of dmesg right before the hang? is it possible?
[14:31] <Daskreech> Hello How do I change icon size in Unity?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, I was using opera for a few weeks and I liked it a lot but some on some sites text from paragraph would overlap the one below or above when scrolling and would settle into place , essentially making page unreadable ...frustrating
[14:36] <BluesKaj> err would not settle into it's place
[14:38] <PaulW2U> BluesKaj, I've used Opera since version 3(?). I even paid for it. Yes, there have been problems over the years but may be we just visit different sites. Even my UK bank supports it now!
[14:41] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, nice
[14:42] <Daskreech> perhaps a better question is can I change the icon size  in unity?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, I have the opera_11.01.1190_i386.deb version in my installers folder , is this the latest stable version ?
[14:48] <PaulW2U> BluesKaj,  yes it is.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> ok PaulW2U , thanks
[14:56] <PaulW2U> Daskreech, yes. I've just done it. Look at the Experimental tab in CCSM Unity plug-in.
[14:57] <Daskreech> PaulW2U: Ah thanks
[15:03] <Daskreech> PaulW2U: Does that mean that it's being  not ready for primetime? or that it's being tested to see if it will be included?
[15:05] <PaulW2U> Daskreech, no idea. Although I've been using 11.04 for some time this is my first day using Unity. I just looked at all the settings there.  :o)
[15:06] <Trewas> unity shows only empty desktop for me, right-click shows the nautilus menu and that's all
[15:06] <Daskreech> PaulW2U: ha ha Ok thanks. I just found a debate as to if users should be able to change the Icon size or the position of the panel
[15:07] <Trewas> somehow it's difficult to believe that in a month unity is in a usable state, but when has that prevented canonical from shipping somehing as default :P
[15:08] <PaulW2U> Trewas, that happened to me today too. Can you get to a terminal with ctrl-alt-t and enter "unity --reset"?
[15:09] <Trewas> PaulW2U: the laptop is currently booted in windows, but I'll try that later... I checked and there was a couple of bug reports about empty desktop so I thought it is a known problem
[15:10] <shaneo> is samba 4 a necessary app for natty
[15:10] <shaneo> i thought it was some kind of network sharing tool
[15:10] <PaulW2U> Trewas, yes a very common problem. I also share your concerns about the release date by the way.
[15:10] <quiel> hi, alpha 3 is the first time I run ubuntu alpha (have 10.10). but it's still very buggy. Will they be able to finish it?
[15:11] <shaneo> but its colliding with everything i do cant update upgrade or install without it giving me a samba4 error anyway to fix this
[15:11] <arand> quiel: Report the bugs and help fix it ;)
[15:12] <quiel> arand, yeah I do it. Is it always like this 2 weeks before release?
[15:12] <quiel> I remember 6.04 was postponed to 6.10 or something?
[15:13] <arand> Not really 2 weeks though... ~4.5
[15:13] <eBittin> btw is there any good way to get the volumekeys and eject key on a mac keyboard working on Debian PPC?
[15:14] <quiel> arand: but... the release date is the 28th, right?
[15:14] <quiel> ooooh waaiiit
[15:14] <quiel> i got the months mixed up O_O
[15:16] <arand> quiel: I assume many of the issues in this iteration is down to the unity replacing. Plymouth had a lot of issues as well I remeber...
[15:17] <robertzaccour> hey yall
[15:17] <quiel> arand, yes, I can see the unity problems by myself :)
[15:17] <robertzaccour> is it possible to move the unity laucher to the bottom?
[15:25] <quiel> robertzaccour, there is a patch to move left/right/both, so i guess in the near future it might be possible
[15:25] <quiel> robertzaccour, I personally find the sides better for a widescreen
[15:25] <shaneo> can someone please explain to me how to purge previous linux kernels and headers
[15:25] <robertzaccour> I love how the bar moves out of the way when stuff is fullscreen
[15:48]  * penguin42 has an odd rendering bug on +1 with edgers and latest dri kernel; some blurring at the edge of chromium and a few other places - as if something is spreading an effect a bit far
[16:09] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, any advice on how to defeat the opera built in torrnet client ? I prefer ktorrent with it's blocklist and port settings , since I have my router tcp/udp ports all set for different net applications, rather than their default ports .
[16:15] <PaulW2U> BluesKaj, see here - http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/840/
[16:38] <penguin42> any other KDE users having problems with hanging kmix ? (bug 720882 )
[16:44] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U, the opera torrent dialog won't save the /usr/bin/ktorrent setting and doesn't allow the "remember setting" checkbox. This becoming a bit tedious.
[16:44] <BluesKaj> guess I should use the support page , PaulW2U , NM , I'll deal with this myself
[16:49] <yofel> penguin42: thanks for reminding me of that, I had that too, after that I removed the file, haven't seen it break anything (yet)
[16:49] <yofel> removing the PulseAudio.Playback_Streams.1.default.xml
[16:49] <penguin42> yofel: Hmm I wonder when it's going to come back
[16:50] <Omega> I have a user called proxy in my login prompt, how do I remove it?
[16:50] <yofel> no idea, I removed it ages ago and it's still gone
[16:51] <penguin42> Omega: It's there because you have a proxy package of some type installed that created a proxy user
[16:51] <penguin42> (and didn't use the uid small enough to be omitted from the list)
[16:55] <Omega> penguin42: Hmm, tor maybe?
[16:55] <penguin42> possibly; never tried it
[16:55] <Omega> I don't remembering having that when I had tor on my old install.
[16:58] <yofel> Omega: hwat UID does proxy have? here it's 13 which makes it hidden (check in /etc/passwd)
[16:58] <yofel> *what
[16:58] <penguin42> yofel: I suspect it depends which package created it
[16:58] <quiel> can someone clear up something for me: normal unity is running compiz, unity 2d is running metacity, correct?
[16:59] <Omega> proxy:x:13:13:proxy:/bin:/bin/sh
[16:59] <Omega> And it isn't hidden here.
[17:00] <yofel> hm, I would blame gdm then (or whatever)
[17:00] <Omega> Hmm, and it seems it isn't tor either, they have their own debian-tor:x:113:123::/var/lib/tor:/bin/bash user
[17:01] <iceroot> Omega: there is an option in gdm, not to show users which have a uid < 1000
[17:05] <Omega> iceroot: Do you know where I can locate it?
[17:06] <vega_>  /etc/gdm
[17:23] <quiel> anyone running the ayatana overlay scrollbars in natty?
[17:23] <quiel> i followed the installation procedure but can't get them to appear
[17:24] <quiel> do I need to logout+login/restart?
[17:25] <Daekdroom> quiel, did you export the environment variables?
[17:25] <quiel> Daekdroom, yes, tried with evince, the good old scrollbars remain
[17:26] <Daekdroom> quiel, is that the only application? I've heard that overlay scrollbars aren't working with all apps and all scrollbars.
[17:26] <quiel> Daekdroom, I tried others as well, but non of the confirmed-working (evince including) works
[17:30] <Daekdroom> quiel, hm, I installed them here right now and they don't seem to work either
[17:30] <quiel> Daekdroom, hm, call it "alpha", I guess :)
[17:30] <Daekdroom> quiel, indeed, anyway, I think that regarding the overlay scrollbars, it's easier to find help over #ayatana
[17:30] <quiel> it isn't the biggest issue with natty ATM, anyway
[17:31] <quiel> Daekdroom, thanks  for pointing out the channel. I never think about other channels existing besides #ubuntu :)
[17:33] <quiel> I have to admin, I didn't like unity at first, but the keyboard shortcuts are amazing
[17:41] <ubuntu_> hi, after some recent update my system will no longer even attempt to boot
[17:41] <legodude> might be some sort of problem with MBR?
[17:41] <legodude> if I put in a USB disk w/ kubuntu on it and from the startup menu choose 'boot from first hard disk' it won't go either
[17:42] <legodude> the screen flashes black really quick and then it goes back to the menu
[17:42] <legodude> but I can boot from the flash drive and mount my hard disk without problem
[17:42] <yofel> can you try to hold the left shift key pressed at the bios screen to see if you can open the grub menu?
[17:43] <legodude> start holding left shift as soon as the computer turns on?
[17:43] <yofel> well, start holding it before grub would show up
[17:43] <legodude> sure
[17:43] <yofel> for some reason the timout for that is 0 seconds
[17:43] <yofel> *timeout
[17:43] <legodude> I'll go give that a try
[17:43] <legodude> brb in a minute
[17:46] <legodude> no idea why
[17:46] <legodude> but that worked
[17:46] <legodude> didn't even give me a menu
[17:46] <legodude> but booted to my system
[17:46] <legodude> so thanks
[17:46] <yofel> o.O
[17:48] <legodude> you get a gold star for the day
[17:57] <ChrisBuchholz> Ey guys. I have a problem with the boot-up of natty. After grub, i get an purple screen and then just one second before gdm starts, i get the ubuntu-load logo. Thats not all, the ubuntu load thing is all wrong resolution. How can i fix this, to get pretty load?
[18:02] <iceroot> ChrisBuchholz: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old   worked for me
[18:03] <coz_> whoa the plasma netbook in natty ramped CPU to 100%  had to remove it
[18:04] <ChrisBuchholz> iceroot: i will try that, thanks
[18:07] <ChrisBuchholz> iceroot: unfortunately, it didnt work for me. Its the same, but i also now get a pretty nvidia logo upon start up :D
[18:11] <iceroot> ChrisBuchholz: hm i was having the same issue as you and it worked for me (i am also using nvidia/ion)
[18:15] <ChrisBuchholz> iceroot: im not that lucky, i guess :p
[19:04] <mbrigdan> I don't know if this has been changed since when I installed ubuntu (way back), but I figured I might as well bring it up now. The installer used to use some default formula to figure out swap size, but it didn't have any real sanity checks, so I ended up with 11GB of swap. If it hasn't been fixed, it might be something to look into.
[19:35] <bullgard4> I wonder when Ubuntu will provide a DEB program package gnome-shell.
[19:36] <thiebaude> bullgard4, is 11.04 using alot of ram for you?
[19:39] <bullgard4> thiebaude: No. RAM usage is normal here. Of it depends on how many programs you are using simultansously. But top did not show me a larger usage at the first glance.
[19:39] <rocky> is the gtk+ theme crashing and such on latest updates something i can work around?
[19:39] <thiebaude> im using 709 mb out of 2gb and im just running xchat
[19:39] <xim> Good evening gentlemen, I an testing natty and have a small question about the nice flashing panel icon in unity...
[19:40] <xim> ... When I open a link from another app, firefox flashes nicely in the bar.
[19:40] <xim> Can I get the same effect on bell in the terminal?
[19:40] <xim> When I trigger a bell now, nothing happens. At all. :)
[19:41] <thiebaude> brb going to checkout the classic desktop option
[19:42] <xim> Don't think it's explicitely deactivated anywhere, and the bell option in gnome-terminal is on
[19:42] <bullgard4> rocky: I did not experience Gtk+ trouble during the last two days. Gtk+ worked all right with me.
[19:43] <xim> It would be nice to get a notification somehow when someone sends me emails or talks to me in irssi :)
[19:46] <rocky> bullgard4, do you know if 3d accelerated driver is required?
[19:47] <rocky> unity isn't starting up either
[19:47] <rocky> i'm testing this in a VirtualBox VM to see what's coming down the pipeline
[20:05] <Moc22> ok, 11.04 is evil ! I selected to replace my 10.10 installed, and it actually wiped my whole HD including my windows partition !
[20:05] <yofel> Moc22: someone already reported that, let me look for the bug #
[20:05] <rocky> don't suppose anyone knowso f a vboxvideo driver version that works with latest Natty X update? (abi 10)
[20:06] <yofel> bug 738366
[20:06] <Moc22> and to make mather worst, install didn't even complete, go stuck alittle bit after creating user,  and grub wasn't installed at that point
[20:07] <yofel> bullgard4: there was a gnome-shell package in maverick, was removed in natty since it was unusable. Now only the gnome3 team has a PPA for it
[20:08] <Moc22> yofel: thx, added me as affected user
[20:08] <bullgard4> rocky: I do not know. I do not care about 3D myself.
[20:10] <yofel> Moc22: can you set the bug to confirmed too with a short message that you're able to reproduce it?
[20:10] <rocky> bullgard4, well i really just want to see the new unity interface which doesn't work withou 3d apparently
[20:10] <rocky> y
[20:11] <Moc22> yofel: I don't seem to have that access
[20:12] <yofel> Moc22: as long as you have an account you can set things to confirmed
[20:12] <bullgard4> yofel: On April 8th there will be held a GNOME 3 party and visited by well-known persons in the field. Should I wait for this date before installing any GNOME 3 PPA package?
[20:12] <yofel> rocky, bullgard4: bug 738330
[20:12] <bullgard4> yofel: In Berlin in the c-base
[20:13] <yofel> bullgard4: no idea, I don't use the PPA myself, someone else might know
[20:13] <bullgard4> yofel ok
[20:13] <Moc22> yofel: I've click that the bug affect me, but I don't see option to confirm a bug
[20:13] <Moc22> ha never mind
[20:14] <Moc22> found it,
[20:14] <bullgard4> yofel: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738330: "Bug #738330 does not exist."
[20:14] <Moc22> bug 738366
[20:15] <yofel> bullgard4: *launchpad* bug 738330
[20:16] <Moc22> brb, installed worked this time
[20:31] <Moc22> oh well, seem I can't use 11.04 on my laptop just yet
[20:31] <Moc22> compiz freeze on me at startup
[20:32] <Moc22> it finally started a bit... I get big white border arround everything
[20:33] <Moc22> first thing I need to find is how to put back the file... menu in window
[20:35] <Moc22> and to get alt-tab to it non 3d 'accelerated' state !
[20:37] <Moc22> How do you get the file/edit... option back to the window ? I can't find the options in the system settings
[20:41] <Moc22> also, where is this left dock everyone talk about ?
[20:41] <trism> Moc22: remove indicator-appmenu and restart your session
[20:42] <Moc22>  brb
[20:44] <Moc22> trism: Thanks, lot better
[20:45] <Moc22> one of the reason I think OSX is bad.  Especially on multi screen setup
[20:46] <Moc22> I'm on my far right side screen, but need to move back 2 full screen to access the menu !
[20:47] <Moc22> and back 2 screen to get back at the app
[20:48] <Moc22> how do you install the left dock ? I want to try it out
[20:49] <Moc22> I though it came by default
[20:49] <scizzo-> Moc22: it does.....its called unity
[20:49] <scizzo-> Moc22: you have to choose that in the login screen
[20:49] <Moc22> I choices default desktop I think
[20:50] <scizzo-> Moc22: exactly
[20:50] <Moc22> well, there is no left bar on my default desktop
[20:50] <scizzo-> Moc22: you do realize that Default does not mean unity right?
[20:51] <Moc22> you said exactly to the default desktop option
[20:51] <scizzo-> no
[20:51] <scizzo-> 21:49      Moc22 I choices default desktop I think
[20:51] <scizzo-> in my mind that means that you choose "Default" or Last session
[20:52] <scizzo-> meaning...."Exactly, you are using the standard setup and not unity."
[20:52] <Moc22> k right
[20:53] <Moc22> k now it a different experience
[20:54] <scizzo-> Moc22: on the website it says: "Unity is now the default Ubuntu Desktop session. If you encounter a problem with Unity, and it is not mentioned in the known bugs below, please follow the directions for filing a Unity bug."
[20:54] <Moc22> scizzo-: I'm in unity now
[20:54] <scizzo-> Moc22: :-)
[20:54] <Moc22> first annoying thing to me is clicking the Terminal Icon only launch one instance of it
[20:55] <Moc22> Also, I wish result of search would appear quicker (while typing)
[20:57] <trism> Moc22: I came up with a workaround for the terminal thing, make a new .desktop file with http://paste.ubuntu.com/583057/ and drag it to the dock, it adds a context menu option to create a new terminal
[20:58] <Moc22> maybe adding like a double click action on the dock to do different actions
[20:58] <trism> Moc22: yeah that would be nice
[20:59] <Moc22> Not sure if anyone else get this, but when you get into the unity menu, and click the location to type a search term, you can't type
[21:02] <Moc22> trism: nice, thanks
[21:04] <Moc22> that desktop isn't as bad as I was expecting
[21:13] <MonkeyDust> folx, I skipped Maverick and just installed Natty alpha 3, is it, in this stage, possible to add an extra taskbar? where do I find Preferences and Administration?
[21:13] <Daekdroom> MonkeyDust, are you using Unity? If so, you can't get an extra taskbar within unity.
[21:14] <Moc22> sorry, ui crashed
[21:14] <Daekdroom> and you can find the preferences through the shutdown icon in the upper right, it has a "System settings" option.
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> Daekdroom: what about notification area?
[21:15] <Daekdroom> MonkeyDust, notification area is only available to Wine, Java and Skype, iirc, the rest you have to whitelist the program manually.
[21:15] <Daekdroom> There are a few articles in the internet telling how.
[21:16] <Moc22> how do I change compiz settings with unity ?
[21:16] <Daekdroom> Moc22, install compizconfig-settings-manager package
[21:17] <Moc22> I did, but every change make window manager stop
[21:17] <Daekdroom> That is a reported bug.
[21:18] <Moc22> ha k
[21:18] <Moc22> my annoying Alt-tab problem seem to be related to a default of 200ms before the alt-tab window show
[21:21] <Moc22> sometime the dock doesn't auto hide
[21:21] <MonkeyDust> Daekdroom: what do you mean by whitelist?
[21:22] <Daekdroom> MonkeyDust, only apps that are in a conf list can display in the notification area..
[21:22] <Daekdroom> MonkeyDust, but the list can only be edited through a CLI command
[21:22] <MonkeyDust> awe rite
[21:23] <MonkeyDust> inconvenience: i do not have system settings in the shutdown menu :/
[21:23] <Moc22> on a multi screen setup, every screen should have a top bar with the application/name options
[21:23] <Daekdroom> Is your system up to date?
[21:24] <MonkeyDust> my /home is untouched, erased /
[21:25] <Daekdroom> MonkeyDust, try ALT+F2 and gnome-control-center
[21:26] <Moc22> moving a window away from the dock make the focus go to the dock
[21:32] <Moc22> thunderbird link in email is broken also
[21:35] <Moc22> ok unity isn't great for multi-screen setup
[21:36] <skyjumper> anyone ever seen mouse cursor lag on a thinkpad?
[21:36] <skyjumper> as in, freezing for seconds at a time under load
[21:38] <Moc22> skyjumper: had that a long time ago with my dell
[21:38] <Moc22> with the autogroup kernel patch, it should be even rarer
[21:41] <skyjumper> Moc22: is it still happening to you on natty?
[21:43] <Moc22> it didn't' occur on 10.10
[21:44] <Moc22> doesn't seem to occur on 11.04 so far, but I havent put any heavy load
[21:44] <Moc22> I keep finding new bug
[21:44] <skyjumper> happens like crazy on this t400 with 10.10
[21:44] <Moc22> Found a super easy way to make unity crash doing 3 click
[21:45] <skyjumper> OT, but anyone know if any of the newer thinkpads have a decent screen?
[21:45] <Moc22> 3 click (Unity->Find Media App->Click checkbox icon left of Installed
[21:48] <Moc22> good april release seem to be a hard target based on what I see now
[21:53] <david234> Hey, I installed Ubuntu 11.04 on my machine, and I want to try out the GUI but am away from the house. Which VNC service should I install?
[21:53] <Moc22> david234: there is a default remote desktop feature in ubuntu
[21:53] <david234> ok can it be activated from the terminal ?
[21:54] <Moc22> System Settings->Remote Desktop
[21:54] <david234> ok
[21:54] <Moc22> Yes, just don't know how
[21:54] <david234> I can do that using X Forwarding :D
[21:54] <Moc22> it a gconf setting
[21:54] <Moc22> Is it normal the dock show as fade when getting close to the top left 0x0 pixel of the screen ?
[21:55] <david234> I guess calling "unity" in ssh -X isn't a good idea :(
[21:57] <Moc22> hehe maybe not, but gconf-editor might work
[21:58] <Moc22> Daekdroom: vino-preferences
[21:58] <Moc22> oh it was for david234 but he gone
[22:27] <MonkeyDust> folx, how do I whitelist aMSN to appear in the notification area, it starts iconized
[22:32] <Omega> MonkeyDust: Enter the following in a terminal: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist "['JavaEmbeddedFrame', 'Wine', 'Skype', 'aMSN']"
[22:33] <MonkeyDust> never mind, found it in the menu on the top left
[22:37] <Moc22> unity dev will have a very hard next few week
[22:59] <Moc22> well, 11 bug report, that all for today
[23:39] <Moc> time to go back on 10.10 now