[07:32] <YoBoY> morning
[07:32] <nigelb> o/
[13:19] <mhall119> morning
[13:20] <Ronnie> morning mhall119
[15:06] <UndiFineD> nice work Ronnie 
[15:06] <Ronnie> thx UndiFineD
[15:12] <mhall119> Ronnie: I like the look of your "my teams" page
[15:12] <mhall119> not sure how useful it'll be before we bring in non-loco teams though
[15:12] <mhall119> Ronnie: what would it look like if a team has both microblog feed and photos?
[15:13] <Ronnie> me neither, im thinking to make the link "My Teams" to "My Team" if the user only has one team, and then redirect to the team detail page. what do you think?
[15:13] <Ronnie> microblog has first priority, photo's is fallback
[15:14] <Ronnie> only flickr photo's is now supported
[15:14] <mhall119> I would rather that link functionality remains consistent
[15:14] <Ronnie> oke
[15:14] <Ronnie> i dont support picasa or pixie, because both still have ugly js
[15:15] <Ronnie> the template will be a complete mess if i want to support those
[15:15] <mhall119> can the js be cleaned up?
[15:15] <mhall119> or is it because of their APIs?
[15:15] <Ronnie> sure, but costs time
[15:15] <mhall119> ok
[15:15] <Ronnie> no, it because its not jquery-like
[15:15] <mhall119> maybe daker can take a stab at it
[15:16] <Ronnie> but that can be a separate bug, so the my-teams page can be merged before thats done
[15:16]  * Ronnie hopes daker will do that
[15:16] <Ronnie> mhall119: the my-teams page already has your merge of bzr apps included
[15:17] <Ronnie> so if you could review the code, then we have both merges in one
[15:20] <mhall119> Ronnie: which branch is that?
[15:20] <Ronnie> hmm, i guess i didnt create a merge request for it
[15:23] <Ronnie> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/my-teams/+merge/54126
[15:25] <mhall119> Ronnie: you did the code that sets long/lat from a venue's address, right?
[15:25] <Ronnie> mhall119: yes
[15:25] <mhall119> I wrote this a while back: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhall119/loco-directory/timezone-from-venue/revision/86
[15:25] <Ronnie> is there something wrong with it?
[15:25] <mhall119> it gets a timezone form long/lat, do you think you could incorporate it?
[15:25] <mhall119> nope, nothign wrong, works beautifully
[15:26] <mhall119> now that our venues have a tz field, we can store it instead of retrieving it all the time
[15:27] <mhall119> but it's still not being set all the time, so doing it automagically like you did for lon/lat might be better
[15:27] <Ronnie> the feature is great
[15:27] <mhall119> you can probably do it all in javascript, rather than python
[15:28] <Ronnie> could be an idea
[15:28] <mhall119> since it's just calling an external webservice
[15:28] <mhall119> I'm cleaning up my old branches in LD, and wanted to bring that up before I deleted it
[15:31] <Ronnie> keep it till the js version is ready 
[15:31] <Ronnie> mhall119: can you create A bug for it
[15:31] <Ronnie> im now busy with other things
[15:32] <mhall119> ok
[15:38] <mhall119> hmmm, earthtools only gives offsets, not timezone names
[15:39] <mhall119> so it may not be practical
[15:42] <mhall119> unless you default it to Etc/GMT+offset, if they still have it on UTC
[15:43] <mhall119> might be better than nothing
[15:50] <mhall119> Ronnie: are you sure you need my old timezone retreival branch?  I liked to the earthtools webservice in the bug I made
[15:50] <mhall119> linked
[15:50] <Ronnie> if the js dont work as expected we still have your code as backup
[15:51] <mhall119> my code is too old to be used
[15:51] <mhall119> it came from a time before we had a timezone field in Venue models
[17:39] <Ronnie> mhall119: maybe its easier to couple country + spr to timezone?
[17:39] <Ronnie> instead of lat/lng
[17:40] <Ronnie> the site you mentioned covers only europe en north america
[18:18] <mhall119> Ronnie: in USA, a state can have multiple timezones, unfortunately
[18:18] <mhall119> so, maybe this whole idea just isn't going to work
[18:19] <mhall119> feel free to mark the bug as invalid if there's no clean and easy way to implement it
[18:19] <Ronnie> mhall119: and if we differ by state ?
[18:19] <mhall119> Ronnie: for example, part of Florida is US/Easter, part of Florida is US/Central
[18:19] <Ronnie> that sucks :(
[18:20] <Ronnie> how does the ubuntu installer guess the timezone?
[18:21] <mhall119> I don't know, geoip maybe
[19:08] <JanC> recent installer versions use the ubuntu-geoip package, which looks at http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup
[19:08] <JanC> I guess you could use some JavaScript to get the timezone from that webservice
[19:09] <JanC> Ronnie / mhall119 ^^^
[19:09] <JanC> (I suppose using that service is okay as long as it's for something Ubuntu-related)
[19:10] <Ronnie> JanC, this way we get the timezone of the user, not from the venue
[19:10] <Ronnie> altough these are usually the same
[19:10] <JanC> it might be a "default"
[19:11] <JanC> I think there are services that can return timezones based on lat/lng too
[19:11] <Ronnie> JanC, we couldn't find one covering the whole world
[19:12] <JanC> but I think more people know the timezone than lat/lng  ;)
[19:12] <Ronnie> the lat/lng isnt a problem http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/venues/add/
[19:13] <Ronnie> just click on the map, or fill in the adress and voila
[19:13] <YoBoY> I think the timezone of the user is great as a default value. I'm bored to have to scroll to select my timezone and my country (and I have done it a lot of times)
[19:13] <YoBoY> ^^"
[19:14] <Ronnie> lol, i just found that mexico has an street named "Amsterdam"
[19:14] <Ronnie> so when i fill "Netherlands Amsterdam" i end up in mexico :S
[19:15] <YoBoY> we have one too in Paris
[19:15] <YoBoY> ;)
[19:33] <JanC> http://www.geonames.org/export/web-services.html#timezone --> useful?
[20:36] <lee1954> am i in the right place to ask sort of a beginner's question?
[20:37] <Pendulum> lee1954: where are you from? (you probably want either #ubuntu or the IRC channel for the LoCo Team closest to you)
[20:37] <lee1954> well you have to be invited to join the group in kentucky
[20:38] <lee1954> no biggie thanks anyway
[20:39] <AlanBell> there is an invitation only loco?
[20:40] <YoBoY> it's a moderated team (launchpad group)
[20:41] <Pendulum> several of the US LoCos are moderated
[20:42] <YoBoY> he's gone ^^"
[20:42] <Pendulum> I know, that was for AlanBell :)
[20:43] <AlanBell> but moderated still means you can request to join, someone just approves the request
[20:44] <AlanBell> invitation only is a step further
[20:44] <YoBoY> yes, it's not a restricted LP group like my team
[20:45] <Pendulum> I don't get the whole restricting LoCo LP groups, but that's just me
[20:46] <AlanBell> that only makes sense to me if it is using lauchpad mailing lists to avoid spammers signing up
[20:50] <YoBoY> you are always assuming every team want to use LP to "count" their members, that's not the case, some teams don't use LP for that.
[20:57] <Pendulum> my experience was with a team where at the time you couldn't join the ML unless you were in the LP team
[20:57] <Pendulum> and the LP team was moderated
[20:57] <Pendulum> and to join you had to e-mail the head with your full name & location which was then published on the public website for the team
[20:58] <Pendulum> I am rather guarded about some of my location info due to being a rape survivor and I was not about to allow it to go up on the internet everywhere
[20:58] <Pendulum> while it's since changed for that LoCo, it was a major turn off for me
[20:59] <YoBoY> the launchpad mailing list are not usable, you need a launchpad account to participate in a launchpad ML. All unknown emails are sended to /dev/null
[20:59] <YoBoY> really bad 
[21:00] <Pendulum> I don't think it was a LP mailing list
[21:00] <Pendulum> just a moderated list
[21:00] <Pendulum> and they allowed moderation by who was in the LP team
[21:01] <YoBoY> seems very restrictive :]
[21:04] <YoBoY> french people don't like to share location too, and real names also,... and personal informations in general ^^" 
[21:11] <paultag> lp:locoteams and lp:locoteams-approved's membership policies have been changed to the new deligated mode, if you had an open team before launchpad's change, you can re-set that now.