=== HaveYouSeen is now known as bcz [00:17] :) [00:17] gord: The answer to windows 98 is to up your ram to 256 and install lubuntu [00:18] czajkowski: I'm on the way home now === bcz is now known as OmNomSequitur === chalcedny is now known as chalcedony [05:49] MOrning [06:53] hmm, I can't get calibre to convert a cbr (essentially a rar/zip file of images) into a pdf or any other eReader format [06:53] anyone know anything [06:55] hey HazRPG [06:55] try calibre [06:55] knightwise: hey dude :) [06:55] it might work [06:55] knightwise: I'm using calibre ;) [06:55] frack [06:55] so much for my good advice [06:55] I know! [06:55] heh [06:55] nah, see I'm using calibre and its added it to the library and I can open it in calibre [06:56] http://www.freewaregenius.com/2006/11/16/how-to-convert-cbz-cbr-files-to-pdf/ [06:56] but I just can't see to get it to convert to any other file format :/ [06:56] but its a win app [06:56] I was about to say :P [06:56] don't fancy booting into windows [06:57] ill give it a google when i have the time , have you tried the twitterverse ? [06:58] is that the terminal twitter? [06:58] *shrug* [06:58] don't know what twitterverse is... so I'm going to assume no lol [07:01] ah wait [07:01] would help if I read the full details of the error [07:01] seems I'm missing a .so file [07:01] OSError: libunrar.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [07:02] hmm, apparently I already have unrar :/ [07:04] ah yeah i got that error once too [07:04] now i remember , but i didnt get it to work cause i could not find the so file on the web [07:23] ah, think I've found it [07:23] apparently the tarball for calibre has the .so file inside it [07:23] and all I need to do is copy it to /usr/lib :) [07:24] * HazRPG sets off download [07:27] yes! [07:27] \o/ [07:33] \o [07:48] MartijnVdS: o/ [07:56] Time for some serious houswork L| [07:56] :| [07:57] :P [08:36] Aloha [08:36] hi czajkowski [08:43] /c [08:45] MOrning.. [08:45] Housework? What's that? ;) [09:08] morning [09:08] popey: how do [09:13] * popey remembers eating a kebab on the way home with alexcockell [09:13] er AlanBell [09:13] You can't even remember which one? :) [09:13] (or was that just lazy tabbing :)) [09:14] yes [09:14] very late when I got back [09:15] :) [09:16] Popey - when was that? [09:17] nvm [09:18] Ahh... typing while still waking up? [09:18] morning [09:18] heh [09:18] AlanBell: howdy [09:22] had a conversation with Aine ealier: "did you eat anything when you were out" "no" "you must be starving" "not really . . . . . . ohh, there may have been a kebab involved at some point" [09:26] Sky currently geeking about Storm Shadow... [09:26] Sorry - wrong channel [09:27] *yawns* no sign of keith being alive down stairs [09:28] i bought him a pint that he refused to drink because "it smells and tastes of farts" [09:28] :) [09:28] Oh - of course - was a big rugby thing, wasn't it.. [09:28] popey: oh dear [09:29] Pints of coffee being prepped for house occupants? [09:30] I left sorcha in the pub with the other guy whos name I dont remember and we got the 23:00 train home [09:32] I really think at these events we need name badges for people who are not called Alan [09:33] lol [09:34] was it duvelhedz [09:34] or was that Keith? [09:34] duvel is alan [09:34] keith is talideon on irc [09:53] czajkowski: graham? [09:56] ahh yes [10:09] czajkowski: he's lovely, I've known him for a few years now [10:09] boo [10:09] I can't remember D's tesco password, I can't order him a birthday cake delivery for tomorrow on his expense [10:09] :-/ [10:10] not that it matters, I don't know at what time he'd be home to receive it [10:11] its the thought that counts Myrtti [10:12] well actually when the thought is about cake, it might actually be the cake that counts [10:12] indeed :-( [10:13] * AlanBell has cake [10:14] * BigRedS will have cake shortly [10:15] I'm being made to leave the house for it, though, which I think is most unfair [10:17] I've got vanilla bagels and cream cheese [10:17] I guess that makes up for the cake, he did have some yesterday [10:18] going to head to London [10:18] any suggestions for things to do today [10:18] the ubuntu network manager is infact magical [10:18] czajkowski: do you like dinosaurs? [10:18] thanks for organising last night czajkowski / danfish [10:19] we should do that again [10:19] aye [10:19] bit of a laugh alright [10:19] :D [10:19] knew it would be a good match :D [10:19] popey: did czajkowski get drunk and do anything her co-works shouldnt know about? [10:20] ging: start that lark buddy trolling me here and you and I will have some issues :) [10:20] am I being clear enough :) [10:20] i was only joking [10:21] just to be clear :) [10:21] plus I helped get you the job so you've to be nice [10:21] I suppose every nation needs their silly sports [10:22] I don't try to understand cricket or rugby, and I don't expect anyone to understand pesäpallo or kyykkä [10:27] i was there for the beer and friends, not the sport :) [10:28] have to say watching that kinda game in an english bar, was defiantely interesting [10:28] were you the only irish fan there? [10:28] nope [10:29] there were a few... [10:29] but definately out numbered [10:32] ging: czajkowski had rounded up some reinforcements [10:36] looks like we may need to push back the train to later in the year http://www.watercressonline.co.uk/section.php?xSec=191 [10:40] * AlanBell adds note, Myrtti to organise kyykkä event http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_skittles [10:41] you could organise a kurling event then UK can win it [10:42] oh it's spelt curling [10:42] no, you were right http://www.kurling.com/ [10:42] kurling is curling but not neccessarily on ice [10:43] just needs a room with a flat floor that might hold say 400 people for example [10:51] morning guys/gals [10:51] quick question about screen, why is the parameter to change the control character to X '-e^Xx' rather than '-e x' ? [10:51] good morning caulkz :) [10:52] im taking my trust Nikon d300 out of hibernation, any useful utils that compliment it nicely? [10:54] and, my webcam dont work on some website (no image), using firefox with logitech pro 9000? [10:54] works with cheese straight out of box! [10:55] anyone? [10:55] please with cherries lol [10:56] any1 awake?? lol :) [10:57] if it works with cheese, it'll probably work with other programs when the other programs are configured correctly [10:57] no feed from some websites [10:57] issues with flash? [10:59] i guess this is a v4l vs v4l2 issue [10:59] probably, flash is a massive source of issues which can't fixed by any one in the community [11:01] ok [11:01] flash is closed source and only adobe can fix? [11:01] Pretty much.. [11:02] yes, that is it exactly [11:02] is there a OSS alternative to flash? [11:02] not one that you can use against iPlayer... [11:02] there's many, but they're all far behind Adobe's implementation of Flash [11:03] ok [11:03] .. due to the Beeb locking it all down with Adobe's "check it's really Adobe Flash you're running" code. [11:03] damn [11:04] at least adobe supports linux.. [11:07] caulkz: try starting firefox with this command and see if it works, ` [11:07] .. [11:07] ? [11:07] LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so firefox & [11:09] i read about that command at http://lab.marand.com/2010/04/making-webcam-work-in-flash-on-ubuntu/ [11:10] And nice that they've got experimental ION support now.. [11:10] Adobe-flashplugin, libvdpau1, textfile change... [11:11] bookmarked the url, cheers alex [11:11] [Andy Loughran] FPTP versus AV - http://zrmt.com/2011/03/19/fptp-versus-av/ === denny- is now known as denny [12:18] Morning [12:18] howdy [12:18] * daubers tries to hack together a linked list in C++ [12:32] daubers: "hack together"? [12:34] Seeker`: Never done it before :) [12:34] it's not that hard :) [12:34] No, but just takes a little reading to understand [12:37] * directhex downloads palm sdk [12:37] goodafternoon everyone. [12:38] brobostigon: afternoonings :P [12:38] daubers: understand what? [12:38] Seeker`: linked lists [12:38] linked list = data + pointer [12:38] MartijnVdS: good afternoon. :) [12:38] simples [12:39] Seeker`: maybe two pointers, if you want double links [12:40] Seeker`: Just moving around in them really. Just want to make sure I have it right before I make a mess of it :) [12:40] MartijnVdS: well, yes, but thats more "advanced" :P [12:41] daubers: list L; [12:41] \o/ STL [12:42] i am gonna start writing a mobile app! [12:42] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/720468 [12:43] Ubuntu bug 720468 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i915gm] GPU lockup (ESR: 0x00000001 IPEHR: 0x7f9c002d)" [High,Fix released] [12:43] directhex: Anything exciting and will it work on my Pre Plus? [12:43] directhex: for the platform that's even less used than Symbian ;) [12:43] hopefully i will get no more gpulockup. :) [12:43] brobostigon: cool [12:44] MartijnVdS: it was releated to libdrm, [12:44] MartijnVdS: daubers: a puzzle for you; how can you tell if your list has a loop in it? [12:44] Seeker`: Walk it. If you see yourself, it has a loop. [12:45] Seeker`: or do you mean any kind of loop? [12:45] is* [12:45] "if you see yourself"? [12:45] Seeker`: yes.. your starting point [12:45] what about if you have a->b->c->d->b->c->d->b->c->d->b->c... [12:46] Seeker`: store the "next" pointers somewhere, bail out if you've already seen it [12:46] Seeker`: hash table-ish [12:46] daubers, 2.1 firmware? [12:46] directhex: Don't think so.... thats only for the Pre 2 onwards isn't it? [12:47] daubers, nein, 2.1 update available for pre plus and higher on o2 [12:47] directhex: It is??? [12:47] what about if you have 1->2->3->...->5,000,000,000->5,000,000,001->5,000,000,002->5,000,000,000 [12:48] Seeker`: Store the 'id' of the list item? [12:48] daubers: the "id"? [12:48] pointer [12:48] thats still 4 bytes [12:48] you're writing your own linked list? [12:48] Seeker`: e.g. item number [12:49] so if you have a large data strugcture you are still storing 4*number of items bytes [12:49] which for long lists is a large amount of memory [12:50] Seeker`: You could store one/a few pointer at a time and walk the list several times, I guess [12:50] +s [12:51] daubers, http://ws.palm.com/WebOsChecker/serialnumberinitial.htm [12:51] how do you know when to stop walking the list if it has a loop in it? :P [12:51] Seeker`: Walk it twice _at the same time_, at different speeds [12:51] Seeker`: if you pass yourself, you have a loop :) [12:51] MartijnVdS: correct :) [12:52] directhex: When I put my serial in it offers webOS® Doctor™ for Palm® Pre™ Plus for O2. Build O2.236.222, webOS 1.4.5 [12:52] that might even be relatively fast [12:52] hmph [12:52] MartijnVdS: depends on the size of the loop [12:52] Seeker`: sure but it won't be O(n²) or something evil [12:53] daubers, oh, you'll love this. o2 germany have it for the pre plus. [12:53] Bah, blasted o2 [12:53] It won't be O(2) :P [12:54] So I can get it, bit only in German? [12:54] daubers, nothing in software update on the phone? [12:54] MartijnVdS: Might be O(n) actually. [12:55] directhex: only application updates [12:55] daubers, how vexing. really just seems to be o2 germany [12:56] daubers, if the pre3 is an o2 exclusive, i'm skipping it [12:56] o2 are the worst network ever that isn't vodafone [12:57] directhex: Yeah :( [12:57] stuck till November anyway [12:57] directhex: Hm, Vodafone-NL have the best network.. KPN-NL is good as well, but T-Mobile = NOOOOOOOoooooo.... [12:58] daubers, wife is on o2 until around then. i'm on orange until july [12:59] directhex: I may actually just buy a phone instead of get one on contract at that poin [13:00] daubers, yes, i'm considering the same... see also what i said about o2 exclusives [13:00] daubers, right now, 3 have the best sim-only contract sim. giffgaff are better, if you trust them long-term (not sure i do) [13:00] directhex: The only thing that would swing me is if they gave a free pr3 with a discounted tablet [13:00] pre³ [13:00] giffgaff is o2 though [13:00] so you're using their coverage [13:01] popey, yeah, but coverage isn't the issue [13:01] ah [13:01] i really don't care much about coverage maps, they're much of a muchness. i care about data rates and i care about lockdown [13:01] three have the best data rates for a mainstream company (unlimited data sim), giffgaff have some kind of weirdo attitude to things [13:02] lockdown... i'll only accept with a good contract. e.g. if three had the pre³ [13:02] * brobostigon shakes fist @ sky box, for resetting itself, while brobostigon is trying to watch the simpsons. [13:03] brobostigon, what do you expect for an amstrad? [13:03] directhex: this is a grundig. === OmNomSequitur is now known as Atlee_Pigeon [13:05] brb, restarting x [13:08] ... [13:09] daubers, developer device program. [13:09] daubers, the pre³ will be available at a discount for devs. and i'm writing an app [13:09] wait, that's US only -_- [13:09] directhex: bah [13:09] got me partially excited briefly [13:10] hi all [13:10] afternoonings AlanBell [13:10] I was thinking about putting dual boot Ubuntu on my brothers new laptop [13:10] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/Screenshot.png [13:10] however HP have been evil with the partition table [13:10] 4 primary partitions all used [13:10] now what? [13:10] can't create extended partitions without a primary to put them in [13:11] GPT :) [13:12] the windows setup routine is *horrible* [13:12] AlanBell, not a lot you can do [13:12] I went through it, but it was so evil I used the recovery thing to set it all back again so he can experience it too [13:13] is Wubi a good way forward in this instance? [13:15] AlanBell: Backup sda3 somewhere else then move the partitions around? [13:16] AlanBell, oh, that's a good idea [13:19] sda2 seems to be the one to nuke and rejiggle [13:19] what is is sda1? [13:19] s/is/in [13:19] not too sure [13:20] many vendors have weirdo partitions, sadly [13:20] another point for dell: they ship real windows media, on real discs, with latitude laptops. can just reinstall a pristine windows, for dual-booting [13:21] lenovo have a crazy purposefully bad partiiton table (e.g. overlapping partitions) which only their tools can fix [13:21] wow [13:22] trouble is if I nuke stuff I am going to end up breaking windows beyond my ability to fix it [13:22] and my brother isn't going to like that [13:22] I think I will explore wubi a bit [13:22] Yes, but at least he will have Ubuntu :-) [13:24] true :) [13:24] Lenovo kit supplied by Linux Emporium is pretty hot though - THEY are taking the step of blowing away Windows... then again, I am a bit more of a user than you lot. [13:25] if you burn backup media, the lenovo tools permit you to blat the recovery partition, then you can repartition fine [13:25] although our contracts with lenovo the os doesn't matter [13:25] since we don't send them the hard disks when stuff needs repairing [13:29] problem solved, he has brought his old laptop to be forensically wiped [13:29] so going to nuke it hard with dd then put Ubuntu on it [13:30] Doesn't want his "photo collection" to fall into the wrong hands, eh? [13:31] ;) funny, but he is actually a forensic accountant and wants it clean of customer stuff [13:48] AlanBell: what does the window recovery thing do if partitions already exist? [13:48] does it just blat the disk? [13:49] AlanBell: Not going to use dban or scrub? [13:49] I'd be inclined to dump /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda4 [13:49] 16GB is enough for you to install ubuntu in for him to play [13:50] and can later resize sda2 down [13:56] Anyone here take DiDA? [13:56] (that is, the subject...) [13:57] anyone have a xmltv config for freeview? [14:03] domjohnson: I did it last year [14:05] God I hate it. [14:05] lol [15:11] [Matthew Garrett] Archos tablets - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/134903.html [15:42] no gpu lockup yet, :) [15:47] popey: I am not sure what the windows recovery tool does or how upset it would be with a different partition table [15:48] and I don't really want to nuke the recovery partitions, it doesn't come with any other installation media [15:50] AlanBell: in my experience as long as it stays in the same place and with the same partition number, it's fine [16:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/720468/comments/10 [16:27] Ubuntu bug 720468 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i915gm] GPU lockup (ESR: 0x00000001 IPEHR: 0x7f9c002d)" [High,Fix released] [16:27] :( [16:36] any clever graphics people around? [16:50] AlanBell: doesnt it let you make recovery DVDs? [17:00] I didn't see that option, and I don't have any blank DVDs here [17:17] Anyone amazing at SQL feel like trying to reverse engineer this horrible query I'm trying to understand? XD [17:17] It's evil...pure evil [17:19] I also realized it's entirely pointless too, so never mind xD [17:28] heh [17:31] Azelphur - would you reckon that query belongs on DailyWTF? [17:34] alexcockell: no idea [17:40] I don't get this at all. some days MC will run for hours on end, others I'm lucky to get 90 seconds before it crashes. and I'm finding absolutely no rhythm nor reason behind it :( [17:45] which java are you using? [17:46] the one apple push, appears to be no alternatives (yes, it's completely offtopic. I'm just frustrated because I'm literally getting 90 seconds at a time) === Atlee_Pigeon is now known as OmNomSequitur [18:08] MC? [18:09] oh .. minecraft [18:09] I see :) [18:16] just figured there's enough addicts in here than someone may have some pointers :) [18:16] experimenting with 32bit vs 64bit atm. tried not using 3 mice, but seemed to make zero difference [18:19] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzIeiyzRLCw&feature=player_embedded interesting. [18:20] brobostigon: "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're our only hope" [18:21] MartijnVdS: :) [18:26] hello gys [18:26] today i gave presentation about aircrack-ng it was really amazing [18:27] is it online? [18:27] no man [18:27] it is not allowed to recored ! [18:27] :( [18:27] why? [18:27] university policy ! [18:27] popey: you know security people, very insecure about their security policies [18:27] popey: also.. very insecure in general :) [18:27] hahahah [18:28] (or should I say paranoid) [18:28] MartijnVdS: Nothing's secure anyway at the end of the day. [18:28] next week we will be about " Software Reverse Engineering " [18:28] * popey hacks the gibson [18:28] shame, i would like to have seen that [18:28] jpds: Not having data = perfect security :) [18:28] phonex01: can i suggest starting with wine, :) [18:29] oh nice [18:29] but i will start with them by the basics [18:29] they are not that Experience ! [18:29] they dont even use linux ! [18:29] phonex01: reverse engineering the windows api, in order to emulate the windowsapi. [18:29] yes you are right [18:29] phonex01: oh i see,ok. [18:30] normally everything done with the ollydebug tool [18:30] phonex01: but i would suggest, staying within legal limits, like wine. [18:30] ya it is a good idea [18:31] by the way is there any software like File recovery pro for ubuntu ? [18:31] phonex01: photorec? [18:31] phonex01: you dont need to be called on for teching people to break the law. [18:31] photorec ? [18:32] photorec :) [18:32] phonex01: it recovers deleted files from disks [18:32] im installing it right now [18:32] phonex01: useful if you accidentally format your camera memory card, for example [18:32] phonex01: or some other disk with pictures 8-) [18:32] files out of dead disks too. [18:32] no i want to make some simple research about low-level file processing [18:33] which mean deals with data without there file system [18:33] the same as recovery tools do [18:33] actually when you delete a file you just delete the pointer or address of that file but physicly the file still there ! [18:33] phonex01: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec_Data_Carving [18:34] thank you jpds [18:34] !info photorec [18:34] Package photorec does not exist in maverick [18:34] !info photorec natty [18:34] brobostigon: it's in the testdisk package [18:34] Package photorec does not exist in natty [18:34] !info testdisk [18:34] testdisk (source: testdisk): Partition scanner and disk recovery tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.11-1 (maverick), package size 1510 kB, installed size 4672 kB [18:34] mgdm: ah, thank you, [18:35] * mgdm has used that to get people out of some sticky situations :) [18:37] I wish the local lemsip would have decongestant in it :-( aspirin, vitamin c and caffeine is a rather useless mix [18:39] :( [18:39] especially useless when I want to sleep anyway and have even medication to help me with it [18:40] ok im using photorec right now it seems good [18:40] Oh well. blackcurrant juice and aspirin it is then [18:40] oh yah guys i have strange problem about backtrack 4 [18:40] there is a backtrack support channel [18:40] when i use back track 4 from live CD or flash everything is ok [18:40] ##backtrack-linux i think [18:41] but when i install it the mouse stop working after loading the dekstop [18:41] "try ubuntu instead" [18:41] ok no problem with ubuntu [18:42] but im asking about the problem ! [18:42] i need to know why ? [18:42] ubuntu is ok [18:42] strangely enough, this is ubuntu channel [18:42] ok im not allowed to ask such question here [18:42] ok no problem im sorry any wya [18:42] sure you are [18:43] probably you're just not getting answers ;-) [18:43] phonex01: but they in the backtrack channel will be specilist, :) [18:43] im in backtrack channel no one is responding ! [18:43]