[08:13] <Kerbero> Symmetria: is .sun.ac.za's internet down again?
[08:49] <Symmetria> Kerbero yes
[08:49] <Symmetria> neotel problem
[08:50] <Symmetria> they are working on the fiber somewhere nere kraaifontein
[08:51] <Kerbero> ok
[08:52] <Kerbero> we like the sourceforge mirror btw
[08:56] <kodez> symmetria, where is kraaifontein?
[09:01] <Kerbero> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.845&lon=18.665&zoom=11&layers=M
[09:02] <Symmetria> heh sourceforge mirror gets a lot of hits
[09:02] <Symmetria> so glad of that
[09:03] <Symmetria> at least its being used after the shit we had getting it put in :)
[09:06] <Symmetria> heh I see that heanet has finally fixed all their tcp window sizing as well
[09:06] <Symmetria> to make for easier syncs
[09:06] <Symmetria> before we used to kinda cap out at 3 or 4 megabytes/second from them
[09:06] <Symmetria>   1644920832  39%   29.02MB/s    0:01:25
[09:06] <Symmetria> much better
[09:07] <Symmetria> I wonder if canonical will give me a za.cdimage.ubuntu.com 
[09:10] <Kerbero> :D
[09:10] <kodez> kerbero: thanks for the open street map. i now also know where stellenbosch is situated
[09:11] <Kerbero> interesting path the fiber takes to get to stellenbosch
[09:11] <Kerbero> i guess alongside major roads is the easiest
[09:15] <Symmetria> problem with this fiber repair is that its overhead
[09:15] <Symmetria> that means eskom involvement
[09:15] <Symmetria> which means this wont be quick
[09:16] <Kerbero> at least i'm at home on adsl now and not on campus
[09:17] <Kerbero> Symmetria: i see something about tenet looking at wireless networks?
[09:17] <Symmetria> errr you're referring to eduroam?
[09:18] <Symmetria> let me be very very very very veryyyyy crystal clear on eduroam, just to counteract the b.s in the media and the rumours
[09:18] <Symmetria> yes, we are looking at eduroam, yes there are people who are running it at the moment, however, we considering it to be in a trial phase
[09:18] <Symmetria> very far from production at the moment
[09:18] <Kerbero> on the tenet homepage: "TENET Issues RFI  for Wireless providers."
[09:18] <Symmetria> aahh oh that
[09:18] <Symmetria> different story
[09:18] <Symmetria> :)
[09:19] <Symmetria> those are for very high speed wireless links in rural areas 
[09:19] <Symmetria> to connect rural campuses
[09:19] <Symmetria> where fiber isnt possible
[09:19] <Kerbero> o ok
[09:19] <Symmetria> (looking at licensed spectrum wireless gear doing 500mbit - a gigabit)
[09:19] <Kerbero> thought it might be a ctwug for .ac.za people
[09:19] <Symmetria> thats not your normal wireless stuff you'd find in a home :)
[09:20] <Symmetria> lol, well, I suppose if people at 200k per wireless unit to afford it... :)
[09:21] <Symmetria> TENET stays very far away from ISM band wireless gear
[09:21] <Kerbero> the smart thing to do
[09:21] <Symmetria> because its slow, there is to much cross talk and there is nothing stopping some idiot putting up some antenna in the way of your p2p link that breaks everything :P
[09:22] <Symmetria> we're busy testing a gigabit high frequency unit at the moment
[09:22] <Symmetria> gigabit over 4 kilometers
[09:22] <Kerbero> and there is nothing stopping a licensed person transmitting 400W into your radio
[09:22] <Symmetria> but heh, taking off my tenet hat, personally, if it were an option, I'd avoid any form of wireless
[09:23] <Kerbero> is it that much better than the old telkom microwave links?
[09:23] <Symmetria> you simply cannot get the reliability, the speed, or the long term growth path you need on wireless gear that you get with fiber
[09:23] <Symmetria> Kerbero heh the new technology has improved a long way
[09:23] <Symmetria> but wireless will never be fiber :)
[09:24] <Kerbero> hehe true 
[09:24] <Symmetria> just that fiber isnt economically feasible in a lot of places
[09:24] <Kerbero> fiber <-> reliable - still to be proven
[09:24] <Kerbero> after all the major breakages the past year
[09:24] <Symmetria> fiber is extremely reliable if no one digs it up :p
[09:25] <Kerbero> lol
[09:25] <Symmetria> wireless is reliable, if there is no heavy fog/rain/hail/wireless units stolen/antennas stolen/etc/etc/etc
[09:25] <Symmetria> :P
[09:25] <Symmetria> heh there is no fail proof technology
[09:25] <Symmetria> just that with fiber, the only thing that really kills fiber is someone digging it up, or if you've been stupid and put the wrong type of fiber in the wrong place, rats eating it
[09:26] <Symmetria> if you're laying fiber in certain places, you better be damn sure you're using fiber thats specifically armored against rats
[09:26] <Symmetria> because rats *LOVE* fiber 
[09:26] <Kerbero> o
[09:26] <Kerbero> i heard sharks like it too
[09:26] <Owkkuri> good digestion's always on their minds
[09:26] <Symmetria> heh the reason for it is actually really simple with the rats
[09:27] <Symmetria> inside a fiber cable, there is kevlar sheathing 
[09:27] <Symmetria> which is thousands of tiny strands of kevlar, like, cotton wool
[09:27] <Symmetria> the rats chew through and rip that stuff up and use it to make nests out of
[09:27] <kodez> symmentria, i had converted one of my neighbour to ubuntu and i had failed to connect him through his wireless network but the lan is working fine, please help. he is using telkom
[09:30] <Symmetria> heh, I cant help you there, I dont use wireless
[09:30] <Symmetria> anywhere
[09:31] <Symmetria> other than via high speed fiber linked wireless units that the box knows nothing about
[09:31] <Symmetria> but right now, I gotta go drink beer at the beer festival :) will be back in a few hours
[09:32] <Kerbero> enjoy!
[09:36] <Kerbero> http://www.weloverealbeer.com/
[09:36] <Kerbero> nice
[09:36] <Kerbero> too bad i'm not in CPT at the moment
[09:45] <kodez> kerbero: are there any receipt of beers there? will we see this event in Gauteng?
[10:30] <kodez> how do i get the ascii codes in linux to print if i want to use them in a terminal?
[10:43] <superfly> you don't, you use the "compose" key
[11:00] <Kerbero> ctrl+shift+u+unicode number
[11:00] <Kerbero> unicode number != ascii number
[11:01] <Kerbero> and therefore the composekey is much easier
[11:11] <kodez> it's just that i have the ascii table, i need the n with ` on top. it's number 164 and i will appreciate if i can get a link to a unicode table
[11:13] <kodez> or the table itself will be appreciated
[11:24] <tumbleweed> Maaz: unicode ǹ
[11:24] <Maaz> tumbleweed: 'ǹ' is Latin Small Letter N With Grave (U+01F9), a lowercase letter with left-to-right directionality
[11:25] <tumbleweed> kodez: compoze key makes it easy: <compose>, `, n
[11:26] <tumbleweed> ascii 164 is ambiguous. is 164 decimal, octal, or hex? (also none of those seem to refer to an ǹ (which isn't in ASCII, anyway)
[11:29] <kodez> tumbleweed. thanks but where can i get the unicode table?
[11:30] <tumbleweed> kodez: it's very very big
[11:30] <kodez> please give a link where to download it or you may email it to me
[11:30] <superfly> kodez: you don't, you use the compose key
[11:33] <kodez> i want to be able to search for the characters without consistently asking
[11:33] <tumbleweed> kodez: use your character map application, or Maaz
[11:34] <tumbleweed> kodez: but seriously, why bother searching? Most of the ones you need day-to-day can be compused
[11:34] <tumbleweed> composed
[11:43] <plustwo> hi all
[11:44] <plustwo> hey kodez... whazup?
[11:45] <kodez> hola heita, nothing is up, everything is down here. how are you?
[11:46] <plustwo> ek probeer net om alles reg te kry... :-)
[11:48] <sakhi> hi ubuntu-za
[11:49] <sakhi> plustwo: probeer jy nog?
[11:49] <sakhi> wat is alles?
[11:49] <sakhi> kodez: eita hola unjani?
[11:50] <kodez> sakhi: i'm better than yesterday, thanks for asking. how are you?
[11:53] <sakhi> I'm good thanks.
[11:56] <plustwo> sakhi: i got myself into a 
[11:56] <plustwo> GUI project... trying to get to grips on it
[11:56] <plustwo> python gui programming i meant
[17:14] <Kilos> evening everyone. hope you are all well
[17:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:17]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:17] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[17:17] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[17:17] <Kilos> hehe
[17:17] <Kilos> Maaz, you're excused
[17:17] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[17:19] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[17:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:21] <Kilos> Maaz,  thank you kind bot
[17:21] <Maaz> no problem, Kilos
[17:33] <kodez> evening kilos
[17:33] <kodez> Maaz: i will appreciate a cup of coffee too, please
[17:33] <Maaz> kodez: What?
[17:34] <kodez> Maaz: coffee on
[17:34]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:35] <kodez> Maaz: thank you
[17:35] <Maaz> kodez: No problem
[17:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kodez!
[17:39] <kodez> Maaz: thank you, you are a smart person
[17:39] <Maaz> kodez: Got it