| azm | Hi, should be linux-rt or do I have to download it? | 01:14 |
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| azm | seems like its not in repos | 01:14 |
| holstein | azm: do you need it? | 01:15 |
| azm | holstein, I thought it would fix my xruns | 01:15 |
| holstein | you can use abogani's or falks PPA | 01:16 |
| holstein | https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa | 01:16 |
| azm | ok, thanks. | 01:17 |
| holstein | :) | 01:17 |
| holstein | azm: did you get jack-pulse sorted? | 01:17 |
| holstein | pulse-jack * | 01:17 |
| azm | nope, I have no clue where to start | 01:17 |
| holstein | is pulse running? | 01:18 |
| azm | it worked fine and after reboot it stops | 01:18 |
| azm | I will ask falktx if he will be around | 01:18 |
| holstein | yeah, he'll know | 01:19 |
| holstein | you can try issuing via alt-f2 | 01:19 |
| holstein | pulseaudio | 01:19 |
| azm | also how is it solved in ubuntustudio, the pulse and jack issue ? | 01:19 |
| azm | I never got it properly working together | 01:19 |
| holstein | azm: solved? | 01:19 |
| azm | *solved = done | 01:19 |
| holstein | azm: not sure if there are plans to do anything about it really | 01:19 |
| holstein | JACK usually suspends pulse | 01:20 |
| holstein | and so far, thats usually fine for most folks | 01:20 |
| azm | yea but then you have no sound in firefox eg | 01:21 |
| holstein | right | 01:21 |
| holstein | thats not what my production machine is for anyway | 01:21 |
| holstein | so, thats fine with me | 01:21 |
| holstein | but, i see the need | 01:21 |
| holstein | and the frustration | 01:21 |
| azm | kinda sad. I would expect things like this resolved for such distro. | 01:21 |
| holstein | azm: i was going to suggest not shipping with anything that doesnt support JACK ;) | 01:22 |
| azm | actually I thought it must be my personal problem | 01:22 |
| azm | not the ubuntustudios | 01:22 |
| holstein | well, out of the box | 01:22 |
| holstein | sound works | 01:22 |
| holstein | pulse FF whatever | 01:22 |
| holstein | you may or may not need JACK | 01:22 |
| holstein | and if you do, there are certain things that come with using JACK | 01:23 |
| azm | yea with patch that normal user can barely found | 01:23 |
| azm | *find | 01:23 |
| holstein | azm: nah, out of the box, everything is normal | 01:23 |
| holstein | just like ubuntu vanilla | 01:23 |
| azm | that is what I find weird | 01:23 |
| holstein | eh, you cant please everyone | 01:24 |
| azm | I think it could be better to somehow got it ready for sound production | 01:24 |
| holstein | lots of folk use it for graphics | 01:24 |
| holstein | and US needs to kinda be in the middle ground i think | 01:24 |
| azm | well that is not big deal | 01:24 |
| holstein | azm: BUT, i totally hear you | 01:24 |
| holstein | and remember my frustrations trying to set up any buntu for audio production | 01:25 |
| azm | ok, I understand that | 01:25 |
| holstein | but, we are chipping away at what we can | 01:25 |
| holstein | when we can | 01:25 |
| holstein | and actually making some nice progress | 01:25 |
| azm | instead of this, maybe some readme popup tutorial how to get it working properly for each user base would be nice | 01:25 |
| holstein | azm: you mean for JACK? | 01:26 |
| holstein | that would be great... but all hardware is kinda different | 01:26 |
| azm | yep jack and pa together | 01:26 |
| azm | or just jack | 01:26 |
| holstein | best we can do is spread the word about the wikis | 01:26 |
| holstein | and try and keep them updated | 01:26 |
| azm | both solution actually works and get broken sometimes for me | 01:26 |
| azm | thats true | 01:27 |
| azm | but eg. jack pulse brisge works out of the box | 01:28 |
| azm | *bridge | 01:28 |
| holstein | in theory | 01:29 |
| holstein | i have to start pulse manually | 01:29 |
| azm | falk does not have any tutorial on site | 01:29 |
| holstein | or make my own startup entry for it | 01:29 |
| holstein | BUT, i dont use it much anyways | 01:29 |
| holstein | azm: falk made it | 01:29 |
| holstein | the pulse-jack brige | 01:29 |
| azm | yea | 01:29 |
| holstein | bridge* | 01:29 |
| holstein | and for his purposes | 01:29 |
| holstein | KXstudio | 01:30 |
| holstein | there doesnt need to be a tutorial | 01:30 |
| holstein | since its usually 'just working' | 01:30 |
| holstein | in the background | 01:30 |
| azm | what is the difference ? | 01:30 |
| holstein | azm: JACK is running at login | 01:30 |
| holstein | and the pulse-jack bridge is already running | 01:30 |
| holstein | SO, he doesnt need to explain how to use it | 01:31 |
| holstein | one of us would need to do that for the ubuntustudio community | 01:31 |
| holstein | and i dont feel like i understand it enough | 01:31 |
| holstein | nor, use it enough to comment on it | 01:31 |
| holstein | or do a tutorial | 01:31 |
| azm | I see, so there are some advantages to run it before login | 01:32 |
| holstein | azm: sure, its just out of my usual workflow | 01:32 |
| holstein | and im still not a fan of KDE | 01:32 |
| azm | so you use jack for all stuff? | 01:32 |
| azm | me neither | 01:33 |
| holstein | on my production machine | 01:33 |
| azm | ah, well I have now one ntb only | 01:33 |
| azm | ah, falk is here | 01:33 |
| azm | I will ask | 01:33 |
| holstein | cool :) | 01:33 |
| azm | does someone running -33 realtime with nvidia drivers? | 17:06 |
| azm | I had no luck installing them from cmd | 17:06 |
| holstein | azm: i just dont | 17:09 |
| holstein | i just use nouveau | 17:09 |
| azm | if it would have 3d support I would use it too | 17:10 |
| holstein | compiz? | 17:10 |
| azm | its kinda still in development | 17:10 |
| azm | nope, blender eg. | 17:10 |
| holstein | AH | 17:10 |
| holstein | doesnt work? | 17:11 |
| holstein | azm: try catching falk | 17:11 |
| azm | to be honest I never tried | 17:11 |
| holstein | OR ask in #kxstudio | 17:11 |
| azm | I just read specs | 17:11 |
| holstein | i know folks are doing it | 17:11 |
| holstein | BUT, 3d works on my card | 17:11 |
| holstein | just not compiz | 17:11 |
| holstein | which is fine for that box | 17:12 |
| azm | and how is the performance with flash and browser? | 17:12 |
| holstein | i dont know | 17:12 |
| holstein | i dont hav flash installed on that machine | 17:12 |
| holstein | have* | 17:12 |
| azm | that problem is that you are not using it for everything like me | 17:12 |
| holstein | other video plays fine | 17:12 |
| holstein | its a pretty peppy box | 17:12 |
| azm | well I will try -31 now or compile -33 myself | 17:13 |
| holstein | azm: falk addressed that | 17:13 |
| holstein | the nividia drivers | 17:13 |
| holstein | his kernels are supposed to be patched of nvidia proprietary drivers | 17:13 |
| azm | that should do it | 17:14 |
| holstein | i just never tried to confirm that | 17:14 |
| azm | I downloaded newest driver from nvidia | 17:14 |
| azm | tried to run but i to got some error | 17:14 |
| holstein | azm: the -lowlatency is friendlier | 17:15 |
| azm | the distribution provided pre install script failed! | 17:15 |
| holstein | azm: what latency setting are you running at? | 17:15 |
| holstein | i mean, i can hear anything above 11ms or so really | 17:15 |
| holstein | SO, if you're getting xruns at like 20ms | 17:15 |
| holstein | i say, go ahead and relax JACK settings | 17:16 |
| holstein | and just use tht generic kernel | 17:16 |
| azm | now periods 3 frames 1024 | 17:16 |
| azm | which already kinda sucks | 17:16 |
| holstein | azm: yeah, so you're not getting anything you can use in realtime anyways | 17:16 |
| holstein | SO, you might as well bump that up | 17:16 |
| holstein | and just roll with what you got | 17:17 |
| azm | if I relax jack settings I have delay in seconds | 17:17 |
| azm | lol | 17:17 |
| holstein | azm: yeah, but does it really matter? | 17:17 |
| holstein | i mean, you're already at like 60ms | 17:17 |
| holstein | probably | 17:17 |
| holstein | SO, who cares if its a second | 17:17 |
| holstein | ardour adjusts | 17:17 |
| azm | well If you play in rackarrack eg. and the sound goes out delayd from speakers its weird | 17:18 |
| holstein | you already cant use rakarrack live | 17:18 |
| holstein | or soft synths | 17:18 |
| azm | but its problem with media too | 17:18 |
| azm | you play youtube video | 17:18 |
| holstein | media? | 17:18 |
| holstein | azm: just stop JACK | 17:18 |
| holstein | and play the video | 17:18 |
| azm | and its start to get xruns and I get lags | 17:19 |
| azm | that is not option | 17:19 |
| holstein | yeah? | 17:19 |
| azm | not for me | 17:19 |
| azm | too demanding | 17:19 |
| azm | :) | 17:19 |
| holstein | theres a GUI for it | 17:19 |
| holstein | a button and all | 17:19 |
| azm | I know | 17:19 |
| holstein | not too bad | 17:19 |
| azm | Im usingi t | 17:19 |
| holstein | and i have a mixer | 17:19 |
| holstein | line mixer | 17:20 |
| holstein | i route whatever cards/devices to whatever speakers i want | 17:20 |
| holstein | azm: thats a realtime connection ;) | 17:20 |
| holstein | analog, outside the box :) | 17:20 |
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